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Rumor: Ali Sweeney to be FIRED from DOOL?
Topic Started: Sep 16 2008, 12:15 PM (19,946 Views)
Kyrai


luvpumpkns
Sep 22 2008, 02:55 PM
Kyrai
Sep 22 2008, 01:51 PM
I understand and agree she CAN be a better person. My point is, I've never seen her even struggling to want to be a better person at all. She's totally fine with being selfish and using people to get what she wants.

IF/when she meets someone who makes her realize there is more to life than using people, and she would like to be a better person, then maybe I'd like her and root for her romantically. Right now, I don't.


i think that what you have said is true to some extent. i don't think any fan of nicole is going to try to pretend that she's a goody-two-shoes heroine. that being said, she has cared for people geuninely. there was a time when she did care for victor. i believe she also loved brady, and didn't use him. does that excuse what she did to chloe? obviously not, and i suppose some will say that what she tried to do to chloe proves she never really cared about brady. i disagree. before nicole hatched the face-scarring bacteria scheme, she found chloe alive and faking her death. i think nicole was geuninely horrified that chloe would break brady's heart like that over a scar, and i think she felt that brady didn't deserve a woman that would do that to him. that then led her to try to keep the two apart, and of course she did it partly out of selfishness, too. but that doesn't mean she used brady or didn't care for him. i fully believe she did.
I guess that's where we differ. I saw all of that and never thought she cared for Victor at all. From the beginning, she seemed to be using Victor for his money. I never thought she cared about him at all. I briefly wondered if she had fallen for Brady and I would have actually liked them falling for each other, but as you mentioned, I'm one who most definitely feels that what she did to Chloe proved that she didn't care about him, only herself. She just wanted to win at all costs. I personally just don't see how scarring someone like that can be justified as love at all. It's selfish and just wrong on so many levels to me. I love my brother, and even if I'm convinced someone my brother is seeing is a louse, is there any justification to physically scar that person to make him drop her? It may be me, but I just don't see it at all.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I cannot come up with one thing since she's been back, not even a minor thing, that shows me she's a caring person at all. She is sad and lonely, but imo, she deserves that because she doesn't care for anyone but herself.

I'd actually LIKE to see her change into a good person, but she also plays a villain really well, and I'd miss her spoiled selfishness if she did change. People can be shades of gray, but her selfish personality seems ingrained into what I like about her. 'I don't poopy scoop' pretty much sums her up to me. If it takes effort on her part, she doesn't want to be bothered. She's funny and I like that.



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Kyrai


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Sep 22 2008, 03:22 PM
I can understand why some people don't like Nicole based on what she's done in the past.

So far, from what I've seen, Nicole came back to Salem a different person than when she left. Some say she's after money, yet she settled for far less from Victor than what EJ could have gotten for her. We've also heard her saying to other characters how she's finally realized that money does not buy happiness and now what she really wants is to be with a man that loves her.

I really hope the writers continue to play Nicole as more sympathetic, yes, because I really like her character. She really seems to be trying to make amends to the people she's done harm to. Trying to be friendly with Chloe, striking up a friendship with Philip, etc.

I guess the issue is why can viewers sweep some characters actions under the rug and practically pretend as if it never happened (i.e. EJ for one, and Sami), and yet hold other characters to some other level where they won't forgive them (i.e. Nicole). EJ certainly has done things just as horrible as Nicole, some things were worse than Nicole, yet his shit don't stink to many viewers. Folks are willing to overlook his crimes because they want him with Sami at any cost.

Fair is fair I say. If one can forgive EJ, you'd think one would be able to forgive Nicole as well. Both of these characters have shown so far that they are changing and growing up to some degree.
If I saw Nicole with the same feelings of regret/remorse I see in EJ, with those same loving patient qualities, that genuine care and concern for his children, then I could forgive her too.

It's like Dulie and Bope telling me Dansea are a supercouple. If I don't see it, I don't buy it. Show me.

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Sep 21 2008, 09:52 PM
River
Sep 21 2008, 07:18 AM
Excellent post. It seems that since Ms. Higley took the reigns in late January, she has been on one long power trip. Belle and Shawn were young core characters in a lead story, and they were unceremoniously shoved out the door at Ms. Higley's bequest. Next Mr. Sheffer's writing staff was deliberately fired one week before the strike ended, so that Ms. Higley could assemble her own "talent pool". (Whatever one's opinion of Mr. Sheffer's episodes, his dialogue writers were some of the best in the business, so this was unnecessary and very damaging to fragile state of Days.) Then Ms. Higley went directly to the media with her complaints about Mr. Scott's writing adjustments to ensure that he was terminated, and she was successful in that, as well causing several Mr. Scott's hires to walk in protest. Finally, between her "diva" allegations against Ms. Sweeney and her systematic destruction of Sami's character, she has apparently been gunning for Ms. Sweeney for some time. Nothing against Ms. Zucker, but the writing for Nicole is so much stronger, more flattering and sympathetic for her character, than it is for Sami or even Marlena, that the character is fast becoming Days' version of AMC's Babe. I also will second other posters in saying that I don't watch Days for stories about autism or lung cancer, not because I can't relate to these issues, but because I can. Days has been the escapist, romantic soap with stories centered around the Bradys and Hortons for the past quarter century, and for the show to have any chance for survival on NBC or on another network, it needs to get back to that, and to get rid of Ms. Higley, ASAP.
River
 
Phoenix, in regard to your rather prominent banner, I should make clear that up until a few months ago, I watched 95% of Days without fast-forwarding, which means that I am a front row survivor of Higley 03 and her work in the winter/spring of 08, not to mention her tenure on OLTL. This summer I have often found myself regularly watching the first fifteen minutes and then deleting the rest of the episode., and that is rare for me. I stuck with the excruciatingly silly airplane plot last summer, but at least that was intercut with two stories using Belle and Sami that I enjoyed. I am not permanently stuck in the 80s, but I did consider Mr. Sheffer's biggest mistake to be not involving the vets in the vendetta, or for that matter not using Days veterans very much at all. But for Ms. Higley to enter stage right and make Max, Nicole and Theo's autism the center of the show, when the show is in real danger of cancellation, is counterintuitive. There isn't a story there that is more than mildly interestly, and where have the fan favorites (as opposed to Ms. Higley's) been? Even when Marlena or Sami have shown up, they haven't been written in character. As others have posted, Bo and Hope get occasional theme-based episodes, but they have not gotten a long term story. Steve and Kayla are rarely used at all, and the show's best young actor, Ms. Melvin, was given a romantic interest that did not suit the character or the actors involved. Stefano's return has been botched (despite an excellent opening during the Olympics) by having him live in the same house with John and all the rest. There have been a few good episodes under Ms. Higley, but overall, she has been far inferior to what she replaced, despite her use of popular vets like Mr. Hogestyn. And from the entertainment perspective, she has been unceasingly dull compared to most of James Reilly's work. Her lack of compelling stories, combined with her backstabbing rampage, means that Days would be better off without her.


Just catching up on this thread, but River, you've explained this so clearly, and I agree 100%. Excellent, excellent posts.
I'm just catching up too. My sentiments exactly, very well said! :hail:
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luvpumpkns
Sep 22 2008, 01:30 PM
Alligato
Sep 22 2008, 12:50 PM
And I think that Nicole uses men because she is used to men using her. I can see her issues when she was sexually abused and exploited by her father affecting her behavior as she got older. Unlike Sami and Chelsea who had decent upbringings with no abuse who currently act out for no reason.
i totally agree. nicole's upbringing explains a lot of her issues with both sex and money. for her, i think, being with a wealthy man who uses her as a trophy is a type of security blanket. it's all she has ever been used to--using her looks and body to make her way through life. since no man apart from eric and maybe ej has ever valued her, it's no wonder that she has trouble finding validity in a normal relationship. i believe the reason that she has used men such as lucas and victor for money is that she feels that if she uses the guy, she gets the upper-hand. it's like her getting revenge on her father, almost. in other words, if she uses the guy before he can use her, she feels like she is in control, and she is ending the cycle of her father's sexual abuse. obviously that isn't the answer, but it makes sense to me that she would feel that way.

in response to the above and nicole's past--when jan spears was raped by paul, nicole's father, nicole divulged that her father forced her into pornography when she was a young teen. i am not sure if he abused her himself, but it's bad enough either way.
I agree with you, but a father forcing his daughter, a minor, into performing sexual acts with men on camera, while he's drugging her no less, is abuse.
Nicole uses men so they won't use her. She's a tortured and wounded soul who has endured a great deal in life. I don't condone her actions, but she hides behind booze, and sees money and power as a way to protect herself from being abused again. Keep in mind, she also witnessed her father physically and emotionally abusing her mother too.
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DolceDiMera
Sep 22 2008, 07:46 PM
luvpumpkns
Sep 22 2008, 01:30 PM
Alligato
Sep 22 2008, 12:50 PM
And I think that Nicole uses men because she is used to men using her. I can see her issues when she was sexually abused and exploited by her father affecting her behavior as she got older. Unlike Sami and Chelsea who had decent upbringings with no abuse who currently act out for no reason.
i totally agree. nicole's upbringing explains a lot of her issues with both sex and money. for her, i think, being with a wealthy man who uses her as a trophy is a type of security blanket. it's all she has ever been used to--using her looks and body to make her way through life. since no man apart from eric and maybe ej has ever valued her, it's no wonder that she has trouble finding validity in a normal relationship. i believe the reason that she has used men such as lucas and victor for money is that she feels that if she uses the guy, she gets the upper-hand. it's like her getting revenge on her father, almost. in other words, if she uses the guy before he can use her, she feels like she is in control, and she is ending the cycle of her father's sexual abuse. obviously that isn't the answer, but it makes sense to me that she would feel that way.

in response to the above and nicole's past--when jan spears was raped by paul, nicole's father, nicole divulged that her father forced her into pornography when she was a young teen. i am not sure if he abused her himself, but it's bad enough either way.
I agree with you, but a father forcing his daughter, a minor, into performing sexual acts with men on camera, while he's drugging her no less, is abuse.
Nicole uses men so they won't use her. She's a tortured and wounded soul who has endured a great deal in life. I don't condone her actions, but she hides behind booze, and sees money and power as a way to protect herself from being abused again. Keep in mind, she also witnessed her father physically and emotionally abusing her mother too.
Excellent post. :hail:
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Kyrai


Deleted because I realized I was discussing Nicole in an Ali thread and realized it's OT. Sorry.

Since my other posts are in replies, I'll leave them.
Edited by Kyrai, Sep 23 2008, 08:18 AM.
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