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| Suds Report — Is Bryan Dattilo out?; TVGC | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 3 2008, 12:00 PM (14,039 Views) | |
| SoapGal1 | Oct 5 2008, 10:36 PM Post #221 |
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Rake, are you sure Ali isn't the antichrist too??? :lol: Sounds like she did everything over there but cancel Christmas!!! :biggrin: Oh, and on a side note, ED, OBK's right, your avatar is making me think bad thoughts!! :wub2: |
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| Fuzzy | Oct 5 2008, 11:03 PM Post #222 |
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I think the real question is--if Bryan's not out, who is?
Edited by Fuzzy, Oct 5 2008, 11:04 PM.
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| cassie1013 | Oct 6 2008, 01:12 AM Post #223 |
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LOL WHO is that? West coast siren?? Uh. well that could be days? Y&R? what's that other one - general hospital? It's probably someone from Y&R or GH (which I don't watch). Who would that be from days? |
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| Kyrai | Oct 6 2008, 02:06 AM Post #224 |
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Good post. I'm really tired of hearing inuendo and assumptions being made about the show based on what is essentially a rumor. Whether Ali wanted this baby written in or not, I would think the writers would have the final say given that they're the ones trying to write a story around it. I just can't imagine after all the 'fuss' over a supposed diva, the writers themselves would start doing what she said. Whether I like the idea of two pregnancies at the same time or not, does not mean a writer did not want it to happen, and Ali forced it on them. I just can't imagine. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Oct 6 2008, 02:30 AM Post #225 |
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I have to laugh at SOME of the people questioning sources in this thread. If someone you like was under the gun, I believe some would be in this thread citing unnamed sources and saying their fave was fine and so on. Hell, some would be citing fan club presidents and the like. I've seen people do it before. Last August when rumors circulated regarding James Scott (just one example), many people ran around posting, citing unnamed sources and acting like their word was Gospel. Now some are doing the same thing and people are calling into question. I have to say that alot of the rumors about Ali came from very good, UNBIASED sources. I know this because I've been around this board since it began and many I know from SON. These people don't BS. They don't just make stuff up. I can't blame people for questioning things since we don't all know each other and especially with Days' track record of late but I don't think people should be so quick to dismiss certain things just because said rumor involves their fave. ANY SOURCE OR RUMOR needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Hell, you could argue any info out of Days should be since they change their minds and reverse things all the time. That doesn't mean you dismiss things though just because you don't like what your hearing. I am a big fan of Ali's. I don't want to believe any of what is going on either. I'm not saying anyone has to believe it. I'm just saying the notion should not be so easily dismissed because anything is possible. These are celebrities and the truth is most of them have egos. Many of them do unsavory things but many out there are blind to it because they like a person and worship the ground they walk on (again, not everyone does this but some do). That's fine. Everyone is entitled. I'm just saying not everyone is like that. Some keep an open mind and realize that even people we like can do horrible things to get what they want. I'm merely saying that it's ok to believe what you believe but I do think in general we all need to be more open to the fact that the people we like are human. They aren't perfect and some aren't who we think at all. Who they are in public and behind closed doors is two different things. That needs to be acknowledged. Not everyone is the saint we believe them to be at times. Having said that, let's toss out the "Ali is the diva" rumors for a second and just focus on everything else. Even without those rumors, I find it hard to believe how it can be disputed that Ali did not force Days' hand with this pregnancy story. She made a big fuss in 2004-2005 when the show had to hide her belly and in the two only interviews she did this summer mentioned wanting it badly. Ali has alot of clout at Days and NBC. She's very vocal too and she definitely has the ability to sell people on a story. Just look at the story. The show was hiding her pregnancy and. all of a sudden, they stopped halfway through September around the time of Stefano's cocktail party. There was no indication of Sami being pregnant. Not one. No buildup for a few weeks like Nicole. Sami just showed up one day, passed out, and learned she was pregnant. Then people began noticing her weight, including herself. After Sami slept with EJ, that was it. It was nothing like EJ and Nicole where the babt seems to fit in nicely with the story. What purpose does Sami's serve? Sami and EJ already have a kid. What is the meaning of another kid, especially when Nicole is having one too? It's pointless. It does nothing but create chaos, which really isn't a story purpose. Whether or not Nicole's pregnancy does anything for Ejole, it will still help further Nicole's character. It already has. What will it do for Sami? Make her more irrational then usual? Seriously... As for BD, just because Bryan's management or fan club presidents or whoever say something, doesn't mean it means anything. If he doesn't know yet, how would they? The show will let him know first or maybe they have been told to say nothing. Who knows. It means nothing, just like Days issuing a "no comment" about renewal means nothing. |
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| FanODays | Oct 6 2008, 08:00 AM Post #226 |
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One thing I have learned over the years is that many of these 'set sider sources' have their own agenda and figure if they take advantage of a rumor to spin it so that THEIR vision of the show is done, they will leak it. So if someone doesn't like Lucas or Lumi they just might leak that BD is gone in the hopes of people being so excited by it that TPTB will notice and fire him. They don't care that there are real people with real families to support or real feelings, as long as they win, as if this is some sort of contest. The even sadder part of this is that sometimes it has nothing to do with the characters or the actors but its because they don't like another fanbase. Its a very sad thing. |
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| daysfan | Oct 6 2008, 08:16 AM Post #227 |
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I'm only speaking for myself, and again I'm not trying to discredit anyone. I trust Nelson, I trust the DR, heck there hasn't been one person in here who's claimed to have a source that I DON'T trust! Its just when they are all claiming different things, I have no clue what to think or believe. I really hope I didn't hurt any feelings and again, everyone has great sources, its just too confusing. |
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| Rakesh198 | Oct 6 2008, 08:17 AM Post #228 |
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:hail: :hail: :hail: Well said, Phoenix! Excellent post!! |
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| luvpumpkns | Oct 6 2008, 08:44 AM Post #229 |
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i completely and totally agree. her pregnancy came out of nowhere, and makes no sense for the storyline. thusly, i can only conclude that this prenancy was written in last-minute because someone wanted it that way. i know it isn't higley, so in my mind, it must have been sweeney or tomlin pushing for it. |
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| cjknick | Oct 6 2008, 09:25 AM Post #230 |
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If I were Bryan I would want to be fired ... His character has been written so badly it is laughable. |
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| FanODays | Oct 6 2008, 09:37 AM Post #231 |
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As opposed to whose character that hasn't been destroyed? Bryan has a family to take care of and give economic climate and the changing climate in Hollywood, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be fired. |
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| mesagirl | Oct 6 2008, 10:24 AM Post #232 |
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Considering that many people can't even get a job right now, I have to agree with that statement. Some people I know are holding on to their jobs no matter how shitty it may be, simply because there aren't other jobs to get right now. It will also be very sad if this is indeed being spun by someone or a group of someone's who are just trying to stir up trouble because BD is in the way of EJami. No time is a good time to mess with someone's livlihood. Not only does Bryan have a family, but his son is autistic. Therapies are extremely costly. So they are now messing with the future of a child who needs special help. I love your posts Phoenix! We usually agree on all points. I have to wonder though. If Bryan's been told he's being let go, and then told to be quiet about it (or his management for that matter), why would he agree to that? What would he get out of being silent? He's already been fired, they can't fire him again. They can't not pay him for the remainder of his contract. If someone fired me and then asked me to be quiet about it, I'd laugh in their face. That's a crazy request. Is this a common occurance in the soap world? And what would the actor get out of being quiet? Maybe a big monetary compensation? I'm curious. I agree with other posters regarding AS' pregnancy being written in. Considering the show has known about her pregnancy for at least the past 2-3 months, it seems odd that it is suddenly being written in now. It is out of the blue s/l wise, nor does it fit particularly well with how the s/l has been playing out the past few weeks. :shrug: |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Oct 6 2008, 10:47 AM Post #233 |
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daysfan, your fine. I understand what your saying. Too many sources are saying different things and that is the issue with Days right now and in the past few years. That all comes about because the show no longer comes out and addresses things so what happens is sources leak things out while the show is contemplating things, which is why you get conflicting reports. If the show just came out and addressed things, all this could be settled but the longer it drags on, things will be confusing because little tidbits will keep getting picked up that suggest both sides of the situation. As for Bryan not wanting to be fired, if things are really bad for him there, I can see it. Yes, the economy is bad but it isn't bad for everyone. Bryan probably has been doing well for himself being on Days for 15 years. He has enough to get by for awhile. I'm worried less about him then I am people like Judi Evans, who had to change careers because execs don't want to hire people her age. Bryan could probably still find work at this point and, even if he doesn't, he has more options. Hell, wasn't there a rumor in Spring where OLTL was looking at him for a role? I mean, I don't want anyone to lose their job but we just can't keep everyone. People have to go at times, sometimes people that are liked. It happens. Not saying it's easy and, for his die-hard fans, it would suck and I sympathize. I'm ok either way. I like him but I can deal if he goes. There are reasons to keep him IMO but there are also reasons not to so I'm in the middle on this. I just hope the show comes out soon and addresses things because I'm sick of all the guessing and speculating. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Oct 6 2008, 10:50 AM Post #234 |
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He did sign a 3 year deal in Spring so maybe they told Bryan they would give him a certain amount of money, kind of like a buyout contract in baseball or something. Actors have stayed quiet before about things like this with no reason not to. Maybe they offered to call in a favor or something to get him another job. Could be a number of things to pay him back for keeping quiet. |
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| mbdimera | Oct 6 2008, 10:54 AM Post #235 |
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If it's not Bryan, then why can't TPTB just come out and say it's not like they did when the rumors were swirling about Ali and Lauren? |
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| Kyrai | Oct 6 2008, 12:00 PM Post #236 |
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I'm not sure you're responding directly to me or not, but since your post is under mine, and I stated I'm tired of all these rumors and innuendo, I'll assume I'm 'some'. I've seen so many rumors listed, how would I know what to believe? Didn't Branco say Ari (Nicole) didn't get along with BD? Did he change that to Ali and I missed it? Now we have whole tangents going off on Ali making writers change her storyline. Has anyone substantiated that this is true or anything is true? Weren't we told 2 additional actresses in addition to Morgan were going to be let go plus a vet, and I've only seen Morgan leave. I understand they change tptb can change their minds, but did they change their mind about all 3 actors? Now, the BD is fired rumors that are back and forth. How can I pick what to believe? All I can do is think what I think, and as I posted, given the diva issue and all that trouble with the WGA, I just have trouble believing Ali could 'force' the writers into writing her pregnancy in. I can understand her wanting it written in, but that seems a pretty big deal for a writing team to just fit it in if they don't want to. If not for the WGA thing, I might think an actor could, but wouldn't that be harder now if Higley and company really did not want to do it? If Ali were the diva, wouldn't she be worried about her job vs. trying to get into more trouble with the writers? Personally, I don't understand either woman being pregnant. I read why you think Ali has changed her story, but with a new writer coming on, is it possible he DID have a story idea for two pregnant women at the same time so HE did want to change it? In the hospital, when Stefano mentioned raising new heirs (can't remember how he put it), doesn't more Dimera children fit into that. Is it possible the writers are going a way no one would expect? Maybe Stefano wants these babies and there is a story there (I've always wondered what he did with Baby Joe). Stefano seems rather interested in the children to me. I'm not saying this is the case. I'm just saying, I don't know, and I see so many conflicting rumors, nothing makes me believe some over others (or disbelieve), and I'm tired of raking actors over the coals because of rumors that no one will come out and substantiate one way or the other. It may all be true, but it may not. More than likely bits and pieces are true, and a lot of stuff has been added on as the story is passed around. I really don't see how anyone can laugh at someone for questioning sources in this thread when so many of these rumors contradict each other, but I don't begrudge anyone a laugh at my expense. |
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| Fuzzy | Oct 6 2008, 12:04 PM Post #237 |
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If they asked him to be quiet, he'd be crazy not to. They've changed their minds about things like this before. But they'd be more reluctant to do that, IMHO, if he told people after they told him not to. What doesn't make sense is why he'd go out of his way to deny the rumors, and mention that he's been working a lot. The show could have told him to do that, but I really don't know why they'd go to all that trouble to keep it quiet. It's not like they can hide it forever. |
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| Sindacco | Oct 6 2008, 12:11 PM Post #238 |
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I agree. |
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| cjknick | Oct 6 2008, 12:16 PM Post #239 |
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I suspect that who ever the character is that is going to leave or die it will be during sweeps - they should be getting the scripts for Nov sweeps pretty soon and start taping Nov stuff this week ... I'm sure they will still keep us guessing by having more than one character in jeopardy but at least the field of likely suspects will be narrowed... I think we can take John off the list since he died last year already .... :shrug: Edited by cjknick, Oct 6 2008, 12:19 PM.
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| PhoenixRising05 | Oct 6 2008, 12:58 PM Post #240 |
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I wasn't responding directly at anyone and definitely not directly toward you. It was more or less a statement of how people tend to believe these same type of sources that are being criticized here when it benefits them. if these sources say something they like, they believe them. if they don't, they claim they lack credibility That is what I was talking about. As I mentioned in my last post, I can understand why some are confused and not knowing what to believe, especially since some know more then others because things circulate off the boards as well. It's just that not everything people know is posted because then it opens a whole can of worms that really no one wants to deal with. I know some things too. I just choose not to post them and do my best not to even hint at things because it may get the people I know who got the info on trouble. There are times when one finds out things that they wish they didn't. I'm one of those people. As for Nelson mentioning Ari, that could've been an honest mistake by a source. Afterall, isn't Ari very close to Ali in terms of spelling? Slide out the L by accident and have an R there and there you go. Not only that but even a credible source can make mistakes. It happens. Days tends to change their minds alot. They change gears on story alot so it is hard to tell if a source is credible nowadays because the show really doesn't help them with credibility when they are pulling junk like this all the time. That is why I do understand why people are confused and sick of all this. The only thing I'm disagreeing with is how some refuse to believe Ali could be capable of certain things or how anyone in the business is capable of certain things. My point is that anyone is capable of anything. These people maintain a public image but behind closed doors you have no idea what they are like. Actor X could be the nicest person at fan events and such but on the set he or she could be the biggest asshole you've ever seen. Actor X's fans would deny it because the person they see it at fan gathering or the person that chats with them online or posts is nice to them but that is part of maintaining a public image. That doesn't mean every person in the business is like that but many are and many people refuse to believe that. They take everything at face value and believe their fave can do no wrong and that goes for characters and actors themselves. That is what I'm disagreeing with. Some people seemingly being blind to this fact. There were never two actresses going in addition to Morgan. Another actress was said to be fired with Morgan and we were told a vet was on the bubble. Some assumed that meant a vet was definitely out but that wasn't the case when the story came out. The vet was on the bubble, as in under consideration for being fired. That means Days could easily change their mind on the vet and it seems like they already did with the second actress. Just look at this past Friday's episode. Morgan last appeared in a horribly rushed exit and Chloe got what appeared to be a goodbye as she got a job out of Salem. Lucas even appeared to believe she was gone. I think it's pretty obvious Morgan and Chloe got fired together and both were supposed to be gone on Friday. Jay Johnson mentioned that Tomlin saw something special in scenes with him and Nadia and Nelson acknowledged in this thread how Tomlin saved Nadia's job so there you go. There was to be a second actress fired and it as Nadia, which confirms all those reports. The BD firing rumors are not really going back and forth. Nelson is merely saying that it looks that way and it really does if your watching the show. His sources may be hearing that Bryan is being considered to be fired. Ys, that can change but that may be the state of things right now. The only people denying Bryan being axed are people closely associated with Bryan but, if Bryan doesn't know yet, how would they? Maybe things are still up in the air as far as details. We don't know the situation but I wouldn't say there is any back and forth going on. He MAY be out and it does not look good is basically where we are at. Even with the WGA situation, Ali can still get her way. Going with the rumors this past summer, Ali was angry with Dena so this may be a way of appeasing Ali for the way her character as handled. Let's also remember too that NBC clearly has more influence on Days now and they love Ali so with that kind of support on her side, she can push for whatever she wants. If one has that much support and has a huge fanbase, they aren't worried about forcing the issue. Besides, Ali will be just fine if they do fire her. She has another show and was doing a web show I believe. She is one person at Days who would probably be just fine losing their job. I also have to ask...why do some keep mentioning a new writer coming on? yes, Days is getting a new co-HW but Higley is still at the helm. Sure, he will have some influence but it still will be Tomlin and Higley's ship, especially going with what Nelson mentioned in his column. The new co-HW, Chris Whitesell, is not even being credited yet so I highly doubt one could say he had any role in Sami's pregnancy story. There was no buildup to that story. it came out of nowhere and serves no purpose. There is no way her pregnancy was planned, even after Ali announced she was pregnant. |
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