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Suds Report — Is Bryan Dattilo out?; TVGC
Topic Started: Oct 3 2008, 12:00 PM (14,048 Views)
Steve Frame
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I think Corday will stay out like he did years ago as long as he feels he can trust Tomlin and Higley.

As I have pointed out many times Corday has been with the show a long time. And for years Days prospered and Corday was there pretty much in control. The man has pretty much been in control of the show for the most part since the mid-1980's. He was the one pretty much that chose to get rid of Bill & Susan Hayes in 1984 and Al Rabin and Betty Corday were still there.

From that time until almost 2000 there were no rumors he was interfering. Days got good ratings. Stories didn't seem to be disjointed. Yes he had his ideas and his favorite couples, but there didn't seem to be any pushing of them on the audience.

When the rumors of his interfering got really bad is when the ratings started dropping some and NBC and then Sony started pushing people on him. Also he started getting people who were not happy in just doing their job but trying to take over the show and do what they wanted and not what the boss wanted.

Evidently he tried to step aside and let Ed Scott run things. If he hadn't it wouldn't have gotten so bad like it did. Hopefully he has learned a little something from that and will keep more of a watch on things but not too much of a watch to interfere.
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I know that BD is not popular on this board, but I just have to say that I really like him, and Lucas, and Lumi, and I would be extremely upset if he was fired for the sake of more "eye candy" crap actors to be brought in. I'm tired of being jerked around as a fan of this show. I have watched for over 23 years, and have always been loyal, but I am seriously getting put off by all this bts stuff, inconsistent s/l's and fanbase-war-flame-fanning. :(
I really hope the rumor about BD is b.s.
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aimees76
Oct 3 2008, 02:54 PM
I know that BD is not popular on this board, but I just have to say that I really like him, and Lucas, and Lumi, and I would be extremely upset if he was fired for the sake of more "eye candy" crap actors to be brought in. I'm tired of being jerked around as a fan of this show. I have watched for over 23 years, and have always been loyal, but I am seriously getting put off by all this bts stuff, inconsistent s/l's and fanbase-war-flame-fanning. :(
I really hope the rumor about BD is b.s.
I have never been a fan of Lucas, but I would prefer he be kept around than to get new actors hired for their looks instead of their talent. I don't think Lucas is a great character and I hate the Lumi romance, but he is familiar and has family connections. I've also seen signs of the old Lucas/Sami friendship chemistry this week, and I do like that, as long as they keep them out of all romantic triangles, quads, or any other geometric configuration.

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Well the fact that P&G is trying to cut down on their shows' expenses even more than already have is telling. I say that they either air the shows three days a week or cut both of them to a half hour and pair them together. I think that they will try as many things as they can before they call it a day.
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Figures that Dattilo's being fired just when I'm starting to like Lucas again. :hmmph:

I'm not happy with the show bringing on Galen Gerring's character and Brady. IMO, they're not needed. This could have been a great time to have Sami leave town without telling EJ that she's pregnant. This would allow Nicole and EJ to grow closer and bond over the baby they're going to have. It would allow the two of them to truly grow and develop into a real couple because, to me, they're not shit the way they're being written now. I still can't see them as a legit couple. That needs time to build and we haven't been getting that because of the constant interference with other characters, and not in a good way. Then, once Sweeney is ready to return from her maternity leave, have her return and give EJ the surprise of his life, yet another child! That would be an awesome way to cause conflict between EJ and Nicole, after they've been developed as a real couple. Now they have not only to deal with their own baby, but Sami has a child to EJ as well. And this would allow Sami to become a scheming and conniving bitch again.

So that takes care of Sami, EJ and Nicole. We're left with Lucas, Chloe and Philip. I think they could have truly had a good thing going with a triangle involving these three. Two brothers torn apart over their love for the same woman. And considering how there are history ties they could've done with Bill Horton as Lucas' father. Bill was in a triangle with his brother and a woman, probably the best triangle in daytime history from what I've heard many say. You know where I'm going with this. History could've repeated itself with Lucas, Chloe and Philip. It could have been good story. This would have been a great and stable late-20s/early-30s crowd and the stories could have came from it.

But no. We get two horrible actors thrown at us. We have this FBI agent. What's the need for him again? Is something big going to happen in Salem that's going to require an FBI agent to come to town? I don't think that's necessary. And then you have Brady Black, yeah the character was needed in the beginning of the year when there was an actual story for him. Now, he's not needed.

Stupid decisions. :shame:

As for the casting call for a potential love interest for Melanie, again, not needed. Nick is right there and the two already have a fanbase. She's 17. Nick's only around 21, so there's no big huge age gap that would make this an ick factor couple. And I'm sure Melanie's going to be turning 18 soon so if they want to play the age factor in, it won't last long.

Unless this casting call is for an aged Will Roberts, I don't want to see another newbie come on with ties to yet another newbie. That's where the problems lie when introducing new characters. Melanie works because she has a tie to Max, which also brings her into the Brady family. And then there's her tie to Nick. It works. Her boyfriend, unless he's an already established DAYS character, won't work, or at least I can't see it working successfully.

Hopefully, Corday feels confident with the Tomlin/Higley team and he will keep out of the creative control of the show. He owns the show, so he'll always be involved with decision makings, but as Steve pointed out, it wasn't until NBC and Sony started pushing people on him and pushing him to raise the ratings that story direction fell flat. NBC pushed Reilly's return on him. Corday saw that things were getting out of hand with all of the beloved veteran characters being killed off and intervened, pushing Reilly to re-do the storyline and have everyone be alive. That's when that story fell flat. Then, Reilly was gone and Hogan Sheffer was brought on. I think Corday actually wanted Sheffer. Unfortunately, NBC wouldn't oblige to the necessary story that Hogan had planned, that being involving the vets and characters from the past. Again, Corday had to intervene, tell Hogan who to write for and when and the story fell flat. Finally, Sony had their turn to tell Corday what to do and they pushed Ed Scott on him when Corday wanted Tomlin. It looked like Corday did trust Scott for a while there until all hell broke loose and then Corday had to intervene once again and Scott was gone. And now we have Tomlin, Corday's first choice.

So I think Corday will take a backseat for right now because it seems like he's content. He wanted Higley there as his Head Writer. He got that. He wanted Tomlin as his Co-Executive Producer and he got that.
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Oct 3 2008, 02:36 PM
I would be okay with them exploring Sami and the new guy, if she wasn't pregnant with EJ's baby....Making Sami pregnant just because Ali is pregnant was such a stupid choice..
I don't even think it matters. Sami could easily lose the baby or it may not matter anyway. The baby is merely a plot point. It feels forced. Thankfully, the story is playing out better then I thought but her pregnancy stills feels unnecessary. It lacks a purpose. Nicole's seems to be furthering her character and could further something with EJ. What exactly is Sami's pregnancy doing? Her pregnancy last year had far more purpose.

Higley can say all she wants she came up with it but, if she did, we would've gotten hints of it. Nicole's pregancy came within a reasonable time. She slept with EJ in July and started getting sick around early September. Sami's bad no buildup and granted the show was in upheaval, it was clear she wanted it and got it. I think Higley is just going along with it.

I think the plan is for sparks to fly with Galen's character and Sami and then they will toss him Nicole's way while Ali is off, thereby setting up a quad since both women already have feelings for EJ. They can't do that with Lucas because he would never go back to Nicole right now so they bring in a new guy.

The right thing to do right now would be to get rid of Stax. I know they put alot of work into Max but I don't see any material on the horizon for them after this Trent thing unless you do a triangle but that won't work because no one cares enough. People do care about a Chelsea/Nick/Melanie story so that is the right thing to do. The show probably won't realize that and will cut out Chick and bring a new person on for Melanie, which is dumb. You have a goldmine in Chelsea/Nick/Melanie. Melanie's age isn't really an issue. Chloe was played as underage too when she started interacting with Brady and the show had them get hot and heavy once Chloe turned 18. Just have Melanie turn 18 soon and there is no issue, really.

I do wonder though if it's ALI and Bryan that have the problem and not Ari and Bryan. It does make more sense that way given what has happened the last few months. I just can't see Ari and Bryan at odds.
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Getting rid of Max and Stephanie isn't going to do anything. For as many fans as Chick have, there are just as many Stax fans. I don't see the point of getting rid of either couple. Why can't the show have five younger characters? That's not too much at all. They have 6 late-20s/early-30 somethings, and they have 5 early-20 somethings. That's a great balance with the younger characters, balancing the older veteren characters.

They could easily continue telling Max and Stephanie's story, with Max dealing with his childhood and that being the conflict between Max and Stephanie. And then tell a Chelsea/Nick/Melanie triangle. It's not hard.
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DrewHamilton
Oct 3 2008, 03:10 PM
Figures that Dattilo's being fired just when I'm starting to like Lucas again. :hmmph:

I'm not happy with the show bringing on Galen Gerring's character and Brady. IMO, they're not needed. This could have been a great time to have Sami leave town without telling EJ that she's pregnant. This would allow Nicole and EJ to grow closer and bond over the baby they're going to have. It would allow the two of them to truly grow and develop into a real couple because, to me, they're not shit the way they're being written now. I still can't see them as a legit couple. That needs time to build and we haven't been getting that because of the constant interference with other characters, and not in a good way. Then, once Sweeney is ready to return from her maternity leave, have her return and give EJ the surprise of his life, yet another child! That would be an awesome way to cause conflict between EJ and Nicole, after they've been developed as a real couple. Now they have not only to deal with their own baby, but Sami has a child to EJ as well. And this would allow Sami to become a scheming and conniving bitch again.

So that takes care of Sami, EJ and Nicole. We're left with Lucas, Chloe and Philip. I think they could have truly had a good thing going with a triangle involving these three. Two brothers torn apart over their love for the same woman. And considering how there are history ties they could've done with Bill Horton as Lucas' father. Bill was in a triangle with his brother and a woman, probably the best triangle in daytime history from what I've heard many say. You know where I'm going with this. History could've repeated itself with Lucas, Chloe and Philip. It could have been good story. This would have been a great and stable late-20s/early-30s crowd and the stories could have came from it.

But no. We get two horrible actors thrown at us. We have this FBI agent. What's the need for him again? Is something big going to happen in Salem that's going to require an FBI agent to come to town? I don't think that's necessary. And then you have Brady Black, yeah the character was needed in the beginning of the year when there was an actual story for him. Now, he's not needed.

Stupid decisions. :shame:

As for the casting call for a potential love interest for Melanie, again, not needed. Nick is right there and the two already have a fanbase. She's 17. Nick's only around 21, so there's no big huge age gap that would make this an ick factor couple. And I'm sure Melanie's going to be turning 18 soon so if they want to play the age factor in, it won't last long.

Unless this casting call is for an aged Will Roberts, I don't want to see another newbie come on with ties to yet another newbie. That's where the problems lie when introducing new characters. Melanie works because she has a tie to Max, which also brings her into the Brady family. And then there's her tie to Nick. It works. Her boyfriend, unless he's an already established DAYS character, won't work, or at least I can't see it working successfully.

Hopefully, Corday feels confident with the Tomlin/Higley team and he will keep out of the creative control of the show. He owns the show, so he'll always be involved with decision makings, but as Steve pointed out, it wasn't until NBC and Sony started pushing people on him and pushing him to raise the ratings that story direction fell flat. NBC pushed Reilly's return on him. Corday saw that things were getting out of hand with all of the beloved veteran characters being killed off and intervened, pushing Reilly to re-do the storyline and have everyone be alive. That's when that story fell flat. Then, Reilly was gone and Hogan Sheffer was brought on. I think Corday actually wanted Sheffer. Unfortunately, NBC wouldn't oblige to the necessary story that Hogan had planned, that being involving the vets and characters from the past. Again, Corday had to intervene, tell Hogan who to write for and when and the story fell flat. Finally, Sony had their turn to tell Corday what to do and they pushed Ed Scott on him when Corday wanted Tomlin. It looked like Corday did trust Scott for a while there until all hell broke loose and then Corday had to intervene once again and Scott was gone. And now we have Tomlin, Corday's first choice.

So I think Corday will take a backseat for right now because it seems like he's content. He wanted Higley there as his Head Writer. He got that. He wanted Tomlin as his Co-Executive Producer and he got that.
Great post.

I don't mind Galen coming on because with the mayor being killed and the Trent stuff, there is some reasoning there. They missed the boat on Brady months ago. Lucas/Chloe/Philip could work now given the way they have been playing the three of late. A few months ago it never could've worked but now definitely and your right...so much history to play there. I can see why the show may not want to go there as it seems clear Lucas/Chloe was all Scott. The minute Scott left Lucas and Chloe were MIA and when they returned Chloe was back in Philip's orbit and Lucas was back in Sami's.

If it is Will being casted, I can live with that. I'm all for new blood but the show can't go overboard right now. Stick with who you have and go with it. Nick is right there for Melanie and Chelsea. If you want to add Will to it and have someone around Melanie's age battle with Nick for her heart, fine. Make Will into a schemer like his parents. That may attract Melanie to him and they could scheme together or maybe Chelsea and him could. There is potential there.

I do like your idea in regards to Sami leaving. That would be a great way to set story up for when she comes back. I do have a good feeling about Galen's character and Sami though.
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And I think it's ridiculous to bring on a character that's supposedly going to be interested in not one but two women that are carrying babies. Come on now! In what world would that happen? Out of all the beautiful women in Salem, Galen Gerring's character is going to be interested in the two women with baggage? Get real! That's what's going to be seem forced.
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DrewHamilton
Oct 3 2008, 03:17 PM
Getting rid of Max and Stephanie isn't going to do anything. For as many fans as Chick have, there are just as many Stax fans. I don't see the point of getting rid of either couple. Why can't the show have five younger characters? That's not too much at all. They have 6 late-20s/early-30 somethings, and they have 5 early-20 somethings. That's a great balance with the younger characters, balancing the older veteren characters.

They could easily continue telling Max and Stephanie's story, with Max dealing with his childhood and that being the conflict between Max and Stephanie. And then tell a Chelsea/Nick/Melanie triangle. It's not hard.
Well, I think it's more of a case of if it came down to one couple going. There is just more potential for Chick. Their fanbases are relatively equal in mass. I can tolerate Stax much more now but I just don't see where they go with them after the Trent stuff is over and Max confronts his past. What then? Chelsea and Nick can play out this triangle with Melanie for awhile and the fact that all three characters are liked helps. Many don't seem to like either Max or Stephanie or both. I do but many don't so it seems if one couple had to get cut, it should be them.

I take no issue with having 5 younger characters. The show needs them.

I do agree it will come off forced in regards to Galen romancing too pregnant women. That is a concern but there is still the idea that both women may not carry to term.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Oct 3 2008, 03:22 PM.
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PhoenixRising05
Oct 3 2008, 03:21 PM
Well, I think it's more of a case of if it came down to one couple going. There is just more potential for Chick. Their fanbases are relatively equal in mass. I can tolerate Stax much more now but I just don't see where they go with them after the Trent stuff is over and Max confronts his past. What then? Chelsea and Nick can play out this triangle with Melanie for awhile and the fact that all three characters are liked helps. Many don't seem to like either Max or Stephanie or both. I do but many don't so it seems if one couple had to get cut, it should be them.

I take no issue with having 5 younger characters. The show needs them.

I do agree it will come off forced in regards to Galen romancing too pregnant women. That is a concern but there is still the idea that both women may not carry to term.
Where can they go after the Trent stuff? Anywhere. It's a soap opera! Anything can happen and usually does. There is always storyline potential, especially for these two, who haven't actually grown up on screen. Both were away for years, so we don't know what past demons they have before coming back to Salem. There's definitely storyline for Max and Stephanie. Just as easily as Nick and Chelsea can be involved in a triangle, so can Max and Stephanie. I'm not saying that I want them in a triangle. I don't think that's needed, but if that's where their story takes them, then it'll happen.

There is always story.

I like the idea that one of the women will miscarry as well, but we don't know if that's going to happen. All we know is that Gerring's character is going to be interested in both women. So all we can do is speculate. There are no signs to one of the women miscarrying right now. So as of right now, it looks like both will carry the babies to term and this new character is going to be attracted to two pregnant women. Hell, maybe he has some sort of sick fetish. Who knows?
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sungrey
Oct 3 2008, 01:36 PM

First of all, Galen cannot act
(and I don't just say this because he was on Passions... lol)
LOL :D
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Damn...ANOTHER man for Sami!? This is ridiculous! I wonder what the blind item about the sleeping around thing is.
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Nelson, are you sure it's Arianne Zuker that BD is not getting along with?
It can't be Arianne since BD HIMSELF said he's having problems with Alison.
Edited by Rakesh198, Oct 3 2008, 03:42 PM.
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Oct 3 2008, 03:19 PM
And I think it's ridiculous to bring on a character that's supposedly going to be interested in not one but two women that are carrying babies. Come on now! In what world would that happen? Out of all the beautiful women in Salem, Galen Gerring's character is going to be interested in the two women with baggage? Get real! That's what's going to be seem forced.
Well, we now know that Ali is going to be working through the holidays and that Sami will give birth right around the time that Ali will. So if they're bringing in GG as a love interest for someone and you've got two women pregnant, one of which we know is going full term, do the math. The chances are that they would pair him with Nicole and she'll will more than likely be the one to lose the baby.
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Oct 3 2008, 03:05 PM
aimees76
Oct 3 2008, 02:54 PM
I know that BD is not popular on this board, but I just have to say that I really like him, and Lucas, and Lumi, and I would be extremely upset if he was fired for the sake of more "eye candy" crap actors to be brought in. I'm tired of being jerked around as a fan of this show. I have watched for over 23 years, and have always been loyal, but I am seriously getting put off by all this bts stuff, inconsistent s/l's and fanbase-war-flame-fanning. :(
I really hope the rumor about BD is b.s.
I have never been a fan of Lucas, but I would prefer he be kept around than to get new actors hired for their looks instead of their talent. I don't think Lucas is a great character and I hate the Lumi romance, but he is familiar and has family connections. I've also seen signs of the old Lucas/Sami friendship chemistry this week, and I do like that, as long as they keep them out of all romantic triangles, quads, or any other geometric configuration.

ITA with your post!
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Oct 3 2008, 03:27 PM
PhoenixRising05
Oct 3 2008, 03:21 PM
Well, I think it's more of a case of if it came down to one couple going. There is just more potential for Chick. Their fanbases are relatively equal in mass. I can tolerate Stax much more now but I just don't see where they go with them after the Trent stuff is over and Max confronts his past. What then? Chelsea and Nick can play out this triangle with Melanie for awhile and the fact that all three characters are liked helps. Many don't seem to like either Max or Stephanie or both. I do but many don't so it seems if one couple had to get cut, it should be them.

I take no issue with having 5 younger characters. The show needs them.

I do agree it will come off forced in regards to Galen romancing too pregnant women. That is a concern but there is still the idea that both women may not carry to term.
Where can they go after the Trent stuff? Anywhere. It's a soap opera! Anything can happen and usually does. There is always storyline potential, especially for these two, who haven't actually grown up on screen. Both were away for years, so we don't know what past demons they have before coming back to Salem. There's definitely storyline for Max and Stephanie. Just as easily as Nick and Chelsea can be involved in a triangle, so can Max and Stephanie. I'm not saying that I want them in a triangle. I don't think that's needed, but if that's where their story takes them, then it'll happen.

There is always story.

I like the idea that one of the women will miscarry as well, but we don't know if that's going to happen. All we know is that Gerring's character is going to be interested in both women. So all we can do is speculate. There are no signs to one of the women miscarrying right now. So as of right now, it looks like both will carry the babies to term and this new character is going to be attracted to two pregnant women. Hell, maybe he has some sort of sick fetish. Who knows?
There is always story but there is a difference between that fact and what many fans will accept, which is the problem at Days in many regards. The problem is how many people care about Stax? Sure there is story but will people want to even bother?

I don't mind them but I know many do. I'm not disagreeing with you. The last few years when I commented positively on them as characters and sometimes as a couple, I was in the clear minority so it just seems like people could care less about them and where the show goes with them.

Your right that all we have now is that Galen is coming on to interact with both women. The pregnancies are of concern but it all depends on the approach they take. Maybe they are going to slowly build something here. Who knows. I have more faith in what is going to happen with Galen then I do with Martsolf.

I would hate it if Nicole loses the baby because already in a week's worth of episodes I've seen so much good come out of it. It's not even about EJ but her as a character. If they have her miscarry, it would just regress the character back and would likely make the character some one note psycho or something because she seems on top of the world right now about this baby, regardless of what happens with EJ. Sami has 3 kids. Let her be the one if one should miscarry.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Oct 3 2008, 03:48 PM.
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Toups on SON just hinted that Nelson probably has the wrong actress here so I'm gonna say that maybe he confused ARI with Ali.

Oh and for those who follow these things, at SON it was said that Jeannie Marie Ford is returning to Days along with Fran Myers. Richard Culliton is also joining the writing team. Culliton is a great SW IMO and all of these people have history at Days as writers so that should only help things.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Oct 3 2008, 03:54 PM.
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PhoenixRising05
Oct 3 2008, 03:47 PM
There is always story but there is a difference between that fact and what many fans will accept, which is the problem at Days in many regards. The problem is how many people care about Stax? Sure there is story but will people want to even bother?

I don't mind them but I know many do. I'm not disagreeing with you. The last few years when I commented positively on them as characters and sometimes as a couple, I was in the clear minority so it just seems like people could care less about them and where the show goes with them.

Your right that all we have now is that Galen is coming on to interact with both women. The pregnancies are of concern but it all depends on the approach they take. Maybe they are going to slowly build something here. Who knows. I have more faith in what is going to happen with Galen then I do with Martsolf.

I would hate it if Nicole loses the baby because already in a week's worth of episodes I've seen so much good come out of it. It's not even about EJ but her as a character. If they have her miscarry, it would just regress the character back and would likely make the character some one note psycho or something because she seems on top of the world right now about this baby, regardless of what happens with EJ. Sami has 3 kids. Let her be the one if one should miscarry.
I think enough people care about Max and Stephanie now. The outcry for them has been deminished an awful lot as opposed to last year when they first began toying with the idea. It's obvious that they're the new "money couple" and they're not going to be going anywhere else with either character, so I think fans are just starting to accept them as a couple. So yes, I think fans will care about a story between Max and Stephanie as long as it's good.

See, I'm the other way around. I'm not as upset about Martsolf coming on because we know Brady, even though I don't think he's needed. We don't even know this new FBI character and the fact that he's going to be involved (sparks-wise) with two women, both of whom are pregnant, really annoys me.

I agree that if one of them, if either of them, does miscarry it should be Sami, for storyline purposes. I think they've been investing too much with Nicole already about her pregnancy for her to be the one that miscarries. That would just be wrong. She's already been down that story. Sami, on the other hand, has not. They could tell that story for her and it would be something new.
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leelee
Oct 3 2008, 03:34 PM
Damn...ANOTHER man for Sami!? This is ridiculous! I wonder what the blind item about the sleeping around thing is.
At least four soaps are filmed on the west coast, so I don't know how likely it is that the siren sleeping around is from Days. :smile:
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