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| SAG leaders confident on strike vote | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 7 2008, 06:15 PM (1,384 Views) | |
| Rakesh198 | Oct 7 2008, 06:15 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27058224/ Oh no. What does this mean for Daytime? Say no to models! |
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| soapfan | Oct 7 2008, 06:39 PM Post #2 |
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I hope they can come to an agreement soon because I wouldn't want to see the actors go out on strike. I can only imagine who tptb would use to replace them. |
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| Grandpa Hughes | Oct 7 2008, 10:42 PM Post #3 |
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"Dedicated to the brotherhood of healing. "
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Oh man! This industry can't take too many more hits! One mess after another! |
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| speedbump210 | Oct 7 2008, 10:53 PM Post #4 |
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Oh no. What does this mean for Daytime? Say no to models! Actually, I *believe* AFTRA, the union representing most daytime stars, has already signed a new agreement with AMPTP. Now, whether or not those stars will still come in to work (considering some are double represented) remains to be seen. I guess it all depends on how much AFTRA is willing to let its members go along with a strike. |
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| phloeishot | Oct 8 2008, 12:19 AM Post #5 |
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You're correct. AFTRA is the union for soap actors. SAG is a seperate union so it won't affect the soaps but it will affect film/primetime tv production. |
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| MTSRocks | Oct 8 2008, 12:26 AM Post #6 |
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Oh give it a rest already! |
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| bellcurve | Oct 8 2008, 12:27 AM Post #7 |
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You're right. Soaps are under an AFTRA agreement and their contract is renewed. It does make me wonder if people will cross the picket lines and show up to their AFTRA jobs. Also, many sitcoms are under AFTRA contracts(I'm pretty sure 'TIL DEATH is an AFTRA show and DAMAGES is an AFTRA show also). |
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| naley12 | Oct 8 2008, 12:28 AM Post #8 |
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I agree with MTSRocks; give it a rest!!! |
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| bellcurve | Oct 8 2008, 12:32 AM Post #9 |
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I also believe this strike is very bad timing...notwithstanding the current economic climate, if SAG authorizes a strike, that means episodes of television could run out right before or even during the switch to digital. The older, aging, always reliable audience that people lean on when the young folks aren't there and those who are without cable and internetually inept, might leave and never come back. Especially if the big DTV cliffhanger is "Geez, who's gonna win BIGGEST LOSER?" |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Oct 8 2008, 02:05 AM Post #10 |
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I think soaps are ok. Having said that, I'm all for strikes that have valid reasons behind them. I also think there is a time and a place and this is NOT the time or the place. With the economy the way it is and ratings down and given we just had a lengthy writer's strike, this is not only irresponsible and dumb but it's suicide. At the very least they should go with a temporary contract or something to keep negotiating and at least let things stabilize a bit before doing something like this. It's just an endless cycle now. If the writers get something, someone else wants something and then it goes on and on. It's like a domino effect. Whatever happened to considering all the variables before doing something like this? Oh yeah. All these people see is dollar signs. I forgot. :hmmph: . |
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| Rick | Oct 8 2008, 02:39 AM Post #11 |
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Dreamlander
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60% of AFTRA members are also SAG members, so does that mean that veteran daytime actors and actresses will have to strike with SAG or does the AFTRA deal protect them even though they are part of both? The way I understand it, any actor who has a speaking role in film, primetime television show or commercial must be a SAG member so if you want to play a corpse on CSI you better have your SAG card LOL Off the top of my head, here's some members of both SAG and AFTRA. (Also works in primetime, film, or commercials) Alison Sweeney Peggy McCay Mary Beth Evans Rachel Melvin Shawn Christian Jay Kenneth Johnson Thaao Penghlis Deidre Hall Kristian Alfonso Joe Mascolo Nadia Bjorlin Debbi Morgan Tamara Braun Susan Lucci Cameron Mathison Rebecca Budig Lesley-Anne Down Alley Mills Ronn Moss Heather Tom Jeanne Cooper Judith Chapman Thad Luckinbill Michael Graziadei Jess Walton ETA: The only primetime shows covered by AFTRA are Rules of Engagement, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Reaper and Til Death, but if those actors are also SAG members I have no clue what will happen. :shrug: Edited by Rick, Oct 8 2008, 02:44 AM.
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| phloeishot | Oct 8 2008, 05:59 AM Post #12 |
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Well a corpse wouldn't have to be a member of SAG (no lines). I worked as a corpse on CSI (the original one) and I was a non-union extra. I'm currently SAG eligible but I'm waiting to join. SAG does have valid reasons to strike. I'm sorry but the AMPTP is being unreasonable. Artists should receive residuals from work that is distributed through the internet and digitally. As for soap actors that are in both SAG and AFTRA, I believe it's up to them if they chose to join a picket line. They can work because AFTRA already signed a deal with the AMPTP, so that's great for them financially speaking. |
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| Rakesh198 | Oct 8 2008, 10:06 AM Post #13 |
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Thanks Rick! |
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| bellcurve | Oct 8 2008, 10:22 AM Post #14 |
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Don't forget Susan Flannery, who, if you believe AFTRA and Variety, had an interest meeting with SAG to complain about AFTRA in an effort to have SAG take over jurisdiction of B&B. Supposedly, this is the reason AFTRA renegotiated without SAG for the first time in over 20 years. |
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| Rick | Oct 8 2008, 01:42 PM Post #15 |
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that! |
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| miche | Oct 8 2008, 03:27 PM Post #16 |
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I believe Rebecca Herbst is also an SAG member, she did Brotherly love and guest star in numerous shows in the 90s
Edited by miche, Oct 8 2008, 03:29 PM.
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| esp13 | Oct 8 2008, 05:11 PM Post #17 |
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I'm not a labor lawyer, and I could be wrong, but I would think that if an actor is both AFTRA and SAG, but working on a show that is AFTRA, they would be able to continue working if SAG strikes. They would not be crossing picket lines because the show they are working on is not in dispute with SAG. Now, SAG may have another view on this and may request that joint members have a sympathy strike or something, but if SAG has no jurisdiction over AFTRA shows, then I'm not sure how they could decide that a joint member working on an AFTRA show was scabbing. |
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| speedbump210 | Oct 8 2008, 08:14 PM Post #18 |
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I agree too, but both the AFTRA deal and the proposal from AMPTP proposed a residual agreement for online media that very closely resembled the deal agreed upon by BOTH the DGA and the WGA. Yet, SAG wants more and I have to ask why the actors believe they deserve more than either the directors or the writers. Was the deal everything that it could be? Of course not. But as someone said before, there are right times and reasons to go on strike. This is neither and I think that actors going on strike when the regular blue-collar worker can barely afford mortgage payments will bite them in the ass BIG TIME. Especially if it drags the California economy down as much as the WGA strike. |
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| bellcurve | Oct 8 2008, 11:18 PM Post #19 |
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The irony of all this is that the writers, IMO, got a raw deal because they caved to the pressure from the DGA drafting a new deal and the Oscars coming up. And, IIRC, the deals the DGA and the WGA made are ALL negotiable after the fact: meaning that if SAG gets a better deal, then so do the DGA and WGA. I distinctly remember that being a term in the WGA's new deal. So, this may go on for longer than anyone expects, because of the respective clauses in the deals. Maybe SAG recognizes this and wants to do what is, not only right for themselves, but their fellow peers. It is bad timing, I know, but anyone who says this is a good deal(free use of a show's media content for about two weeks and THEN a few pennies for every ad after the fact) might need to get their heads checked. And anyone who assumes the WGA won't strike when this three year deal is up...hahaha! The WGA is still pissed about negotiating in '81(or whenever it was) and getting a raw deal from the booming business of home movies. Our WGA members here in daytime are, more than likely, not making a dime off the online stuff, because the CBS shows that air full episodes are pulled down after a week. SAG may be doing this in bad timing, but maybe SAG will have the balls to stand up and authorize a strike for a good deal. Because whether we admit it or not, the internet will make up a huge portion of scripted shows and reality shows in the next five to ten years. At least MTV recognizes this and streams their programs for free online with very little ad content(for now). |
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