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Pink Soap: Can a soap actor come out?; TVGC Inside Report
Topic Started: Oct 8 2008, 04:29 PM (1,347 Views)
Grandpa Hughes
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Mason
Oct 9 2008, 04:29 PM
luvpumpkns
Oct 9 2008, 11:32 AM
that being said, perez hilton runs a popular gossip site, so gossip is literally his bread and butter. we can't fault the guy for doing the same things all the gossip mags do everyday. that's how he pays the bills.
We he could get a real job, like all the rest of us. Any one of us could pull shit out of our asses about celebrities and slap it onto a website. Doesn't mean we would (or should) get paid for it.
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Grandpa Hughes
Oct 9 2008, 05:23 PM
You don't "help people" by throwing a hand grenade into the middle of other people's lives and careers. I CAN and DO fault a guy and gossip mags for taking it upon themselves to "out" people. The fact that Perez has made a career of this crap proves that it's still an issue or else nobody would care.
why, though? why not fault the advertisers paying him to do it? why not fault the millions of people that check his website every three or four minutes for the latest gossip? again, if no one cared, he wouldn't put the stuff up on his site. the rumor and gossip industry is cut-throat. you can't make money and play nice at the same time, refusing to post things that are personal like affairs or sexual orientation or pregnancies or anything like that. if you do, you're just going to get undercut by the next site or magazine that doesn't have any compunction about doing it. the only thing that can be done to discourage this kind of thing is to stop buying all the celebrity magazines and stop looking at the websites. i just don't see people doing that anytime soon.

i also disagree that outing celebrities for being gay ruins their lives. i mean did perez hilton really 'out' clay aiken? people claim he did, but come on. who didn't know that kid was gay the first time he sang a show tune on AI? i do feel sorry for the soap actor in question here, but i'm MUCH more upset at the network that chose to can him over his private life as opposed to the blogger that outed him.

Edited by luvpumpkns, Oct 9 2008, 06:00 PM.
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Oct 8 2008, 06:00 PM
I could care less what an actor does in his/her personal life. Give me a great story and great performances. That's all that matters. I believe we are all mature enough to separate the actor's role from his/her personal life. Be yourself, straight, gay, or just not involved.
I agree.

But I see how some of the Clay Aikens fans acted and he's just a singer. Some people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.

Although, I don't agree with outing people. This country is so prejudiced and it could mean the end of an actor's livelihood and sometimes life. I love gossip to a certain extent.
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Oct 9 2008, 05:58 PM
why, though? why not fault the advertisers paying him to do it? why not fault the millions of people that check his website every three or four minutes for the latest gossip? again, if no one cared, he wouldn't put the stuff up on his site. the rumor and gossip industry is cut-throat. you can't make money and play nice at the same time, refusing to post things that are personal like affairs or sexual orientation or pregnancies or anything like that. if you do, you're just going to get undercut by the next site or magazine that doesn't have any compunction about doing it. the only thing that can be done to discourage this kind of thing is to stop buying all the celebrity magazines and stop looking at the websites. i just don't see people doing that anytime soon.

i also disagree that outing celebrities for being gay ruins their lives. i mean did perez hilton really 'out' clay aiken? people claim he did, but come on. who didn't know that kid was gay the first time he sang a show tune on AI? i do feel sorry for the soap actor in question here, but i'm MUCH more upset at the network that chose to can him over his private life as opposed to the blogger that outed him.

[/quote] I understand what you're saying but my biggest problem with Hilton re: the article was his statement that he didn't see the difference between reporting on a straight relationship and "outing" a gay public figure. I just thought that was being dishonest. I DO have to agree that it's sometimes pretty obvious that certain performers are gay long before it gets reported. I DO blame the bigoted employers, the advertisers and the audience with an insatiable appetite for gossip and that would have to, at times, include myself. I'm human and I can be intrigued with something that isn't really any of my business. Also,the soap actor whom Perez outed didn't lose his job. I was writing about some cases that happened in the industry many years ago. I can honestly say that I don't care about any performer's sexuality though. It isn't as though I would be asking one out on a date. I just know what a tough time some people go through on their journey to "coming out" and it seems pretty harsh to take that decision out of their hands by announcing it or pressuring them into announcing it.
Edited by Grandpa Hughes, Oct 9 2008, 06:40 PM.
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Great article Nelson! Ironic that Tuc Watkins was one of the actors commenting in the article. I hope he reads it :)
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Someone mentioned the panic or whatever you want to call it back in the 80's and 90's.

There was a lot of it - some due to just a panic over AIDS and the scared shit attitude of so many then - and some did have something to do with just being gay.

Several of the AW actresses were scared shitless when they found out they had been working with Dack Rambo who was dying of AIDS at the time.

Sharon Gabet is said to have been very scared after learning that several of her EON co-stars had AIDS during the last months of the show particularly Irving Allen Lee and Dennis Parker.

And of course there was the big publicity of Linda Evans and Rock Hudson.

And with just being gay I think one of the actresses maybe Kristian Alfonso refused to work with Jeff Griggs when they learned he had done gay porn.

I know that many are more acceptable of things now but even back years ago for the most part I am told that backstage most of the performers got along and never judged their gay counterparts. Several of the shows had quite a few people working for them both in front of and behind the cameras who were gay. They were very accepted. But I think when AIDS came into the picture in the 80's there was such widespread panic and so many were just so scared of it that there was more backlash then than there would be now.
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Wow, what a great article. I think now would be a great time to come out - I don't think an actor is going to lose fans over it in this day and age. It seems like some male actors may be worried about how it will affect their female fanbase, but I'm sure girls will still go crazy at fan events LOL. Clay Aiken and Lance Bass still have big female followings...
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Steve Frame
Oct 11 2008, 11:18 PM
Someone mentioned the panic or whatever you want to call it back in the 80's and 90's.

There was a lot of it - some due to just a panic over AIDS and the scared shit attitude of so many then - and some did have something to do with just being gay.

Several of the AW actresses were scared shitless when they found out they had been working with Dack Rambo who was dying of AIDS at the time.

Sharon Gabet is said to have been very scared after learning that several of her EON co-stars had AIDS during the last months of the show particularly Irving Allen Lee and Dennis Parker.

And of course there was the big publicity of Linda Evans and Rock Hudson.

And with just being gay I think one of the actresses maybe Kristian Alfonso refused to work with Jeff Griggs when they learned he had done gay porn.

I know that many are more acceptable of things now but even back years ago for the most part I am told that backstage most of the performers got along and never judged their gay counterparts. Several of the shows had quite a few people working for them both in front of and behind the cameras who were gay. They were very accepted. But I think when AIDS came into the picture in the 80's there was such widespread panic and so many were just so scared of it that there was more backlash then than there would be now.
Yes Steve! I mentioned the '90's and one of the actors I was thinking of was Dack Rambo and the other Joseph Breen on ATWT. We lost several of the EON performers plus other actors like David O'Brien and Chris Bernau but that "panic" was an awful thing to see. I lost a friend to that horrible disease last year who had a successful acting career and died at 40 after losing that career and suffering a breakdown. I've seen another friend who has it being shunned by other gay people. It's not just the stereotypical "narrow minded older straight people" who are prone to that panic and to see it still going on in this day and age is mind boggling. I didn't mean to take this thread down a different path and focus on AIDS but to many people it is still a "gay disease" and it adds to the fear and predjudice.
Edited by Grandpa Hughes, Oct 12 2008, 09:03 AM.
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cassie1013
Oct 12 2008, 02:21 AM
Wow, what a great article. I think now would be a great time to come out - I don't think an actor is going to lose fans over it in this day and age. It seems like some male actors may be worried about how it will affect their female fanbase, but I'm sure girls will still go crazy at fan events LOL. Clay Aiken and Lance Bass still have big female followings...
You bringing up Lance Bass just reminded me that a couple of years ago I had a very different POV about the effects that "coming out" would have on a performer's career. I saw very little if any backlash about Bass and I felt that we'd made a lot of progress to the point of it being a "non-issue". I think it was overhearing the nasty cracks about Aiken from some people I thought were "above" that sort of thing which made me reconsider. Suddenly, it felt like 1985 all over again. But as someone else said, there will ALWAYS be some ignorant and predjudiced people. I have to look at the whole picture and not just the few negative experiences I've had recently.
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