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OLTL: Carvilati Demoted or Fired?
Topic Started: Oct 12 2008, 05:31 PM (2,746 Views)
Jonatha


If true, this is very sad news. Thanks for posting, Steve.
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Mason
Oct 12 2008, 06:23 PM
What the fuck?!?

It was Carlivati's stories that got me tuning in to OLTL in the first place! I'll lose what little faith I have left in daytime if this really happens.
I agree! I'm looking forward to seeing this show again every day and it's due to the writing. I'm tired of worrying about these bone headed firings. I was a little down on RC after the strike because of the campy anniversary stuff but he really has the show on track right now IMO! And who gets his job? Mactavish? Latham? Maybe Guza can do double duty and resurrect the Santi crap so we can have more badly done mob stories. LOTL was dead on target about consistency. It was this revolving door bullshit which helped cripple the genre to begin with.
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Steve Frame
Oct 12 2008, 06:56 PM
One big thing to me that both OLTL and GH needs to start fixing is these long damn vacations that Erika Slezak and Tony Geary are getting paid for.

It gets so frustrating for me as a viewer (well when I was watching them) at the constant explanations as to why their characters are gone so much.

And for a character like Vicki who is so important to the show it is even more stupid. Here she is the matriarch and her presence esp. in the last few months would have had to make the return of Tina and these stories with Tess/Natalie and Todd so much better. But a key ingredient of their conscince and confidante is not there. I feel that and I am not even watching.

Who was the idiot at ABC who let that type of contract happen in the first place. It has never made any sense to me.
The extended vacation time is ridiculous and does mess up the flow of the story. But I read that people like Tony, Erika and Ingo get all the vacation time in lieu of raises since the soaps can't afford the expensive salaries anymore.
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Steve Frame
Oct 12 2008, 06:56 PM
One big thing to me that both OLTL and GH needs to start fixing is these long damn vacations that Erika Slezak and Tony Geary are getting paid for.

It gets so frustrating for me as a viewer (well when I was watching them) at the constant explanations as to why their characters are gone so much.

And for a character like Vicki who is so important to the show it is even more stupid. Here she is the matriarch and her presence esp. in the last few months would have had to make the return of Tina and these stories with Tess/Natalie and Todd so much better. But a key ingredient of their conscince and confidante is not there. I feel that and I am not even watching.

Who was the idiot at ABC who let that type of contract happen in the first place. It has never made any sense to me.
THAT is an excellent point!!
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Grandpa Hughes
Oct 12 2008, 07:43 PM
Mason
Oct 12 2008, 06:23 PM
What the fuck?!?

It was Carlivati's stories that got me tuning in to OLTL in the first place! I'll lose what little faith I have left in daytime if this really happens.
I agree! I'm looking forward to seeing this show again every day and it's due to the writing. I'm tired of worrying about these bone headed firings. I was a little down on RC after the strike because of the campy anniversary stuff but he really has the show on track right now IMO! And who gets his job? Mactavish? Latham? Maybe Guza can do double duty and resurrect the Santi crap so we can have more badly done mob stories. LOTL was dead on target about consistency.
:hail: "It was this revolving door bullshit which helped cripple the genre to begin with." Amen! Exactly! Right on the money. I appreciate everything you said, GrandpaH.
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I'm not buying into this, but I could see it. I'm not trying to be negative or some downer, but I could see it. As I said in the thread about Andrea, Ron may not want her to be gone, but I worry that maybe he tried to go up against Frons too much when it comes to her(because you could tell he loves her and Nelson's article did say he was fighting for her to stay). Thats just my speculation. And all the bashing of Todd/Marty may be a factor too...if this is true.

I'll be sad if he is gone though. Say what you will and he's no Agnes or Bill or Irna or Douglas, but he's the best HW OLTL has gotten in eons.
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I don't think Carlivati should be canned for telling a trashy, sensational, crappy story, even if it is the worst idea in recent memory. If we canned a writer for telling a bad story, everyone should be fired.

I do believe there were other ways to generate controversy aside from having a rape victim unknowingly fall in love with her rapist. I wonder why Carlivati didn't use this golden opportunity to continue his tales of emotionally driven drama. And not just a rapist, but a violent sociopath who encouraged two other men to violate her and took complete glee in this woman's suffering.

I don't think this is revolutionary or great at all. It's a cheap trick amid a bunch of other horrible stories.

I do admit, I'm enjoying Starr's pregnancy and the possibility that Marcie will be raising her child. But that's about it.
Edited by bellcurve, Oct 13 2008, 12:01 AM.
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If true then Frons should jump off a building.
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It's a stupid ass idea.

OLTL has been good really good.
In fact I think it hasn't been this good in years.

Just because some people don't like Marty and Todd,
Ron should be fired?
Fuck that!
It's plots like this that make a soap opera.

Same goes with Tess and Natalie.
Those two actresses that play them have been knocking it out of the ball park each and everyday.

1968 was light and fun.
And only lasted one month.
Not a year and a half, or forever.
Just a few weeks.
It's been over, get over it.

Now Medorra may have seemed like forever...LoL
but it had it's moments with Carlo and Talia.

Starr being knocked up is very realistic.
Just cause we watched her grow up doesn't mean the kid can never get laid.
Babies having babies...you may not like it,
but you can't stop kids from fucking.
Maybe this will show some kid out there
that in a blink of an eye, you can make a stupid decision and it will affect you for the rest of your life,
so wake up.

Marty and Tina are back regardless if you like their stories or not.
That's awesome right there alone.

Dorian looks great and powerful.
Clint isn't a complete yawnfest anymore.
Addie is sane and worthy of airtime.
Bo is used all the time.
Adriana morphed from lame to fab.
Rex is now our young hero.
Blair isn't a doormat anymore.
David was used to great affect.
The list goes on and on with how Ron has improved these characters.

I don't know, I'm not seeing anything really wrong with my show, and I've been with it since the 70's.

Especially since I've seen it at it's worst.
This isn't it.
It's not perfect, but it isn't a shit hole.

Ron should stay.

But with Brian Frons running ABCD ANYTHING is possible.
He is so fucked up, even Satan himself is like
"Damn dude, your're a mess!"
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I haven't watched OLTL in years. I did watch though during the Todd/Marty rape storyline. I remember the chemistry between the actors (RH at the time) but glad they show never went there.

So I have this question, I've read about what is going on now and I am confused. Are the viewers supposed to root for Todd/Marty? If that's the case, why did he have Marty come in with amnesia? Wouldn't it have worked better to give amnesia to Todd who "meets" Marty and is drawn to her but doesn't know why? Meanwhile because of the recast, Marty could be drawn to him but doesn't know he's Todd? At least in that sense falling in love would be more accidental and possibly giving a chance for people to support. (Plus it does sound very soapy).

Sorry if stupid question, like I said, I don't watch anymore.
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No, I don't interpret the story in the way that we should root for them. The point of the story is that Todd thinks if he can have Marty fall in love with him, he can finally be redeemed for doing that horrible act to her, and on Marty's side, when she finally gets her memory back the audience is supposed to be looking forward to her revenge.
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Oct 13 2008, 06:11 AM
It's plots like this that make a soap opera.
It's plots like this that have made soaps lose their credibility with the media and its fans.

No amount of cheap controversy is worth your show's credibility.
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I never got on board with Carlivati He pretty much admitted his dad got him in at OLTL and he just kind of "fell in" to soaps and got him that gig, and I had no respect for him after that.


Also, I just disliked his stories.
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Oct 13 2008, 11:47 PM
I never got on board with Carlivati He pretty much admitted his dad got him in at OLTL and he just kind of "fell in" to soaps and got him that gig, and I had no respect for him after that.


Also, I just disliked his stories.
The way you've described Carlivati, it's almost as though he was like Dena Higley as well...had never watched the show before he started. Why is there this megaspin about Carlivati essentially being "a huge soap fan" and the revelation to the genre we all thought he was?

I don't mind someone without a soap background working with the writing or behind the scenes of a soap. But why lie about it to garner some good press?
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Oct 13 2008, 06:19 PM
SallySlice
Oct 13 2008, 06:11 AM
It's plots like this that make a soap opera.
It's plots like this that have made soaps lose their credibility with the media and its fans.

No amount of cheap controversy is worth your show's credibility.
I totally agree.

It is stories like this one along with Marlena's possession, the Reva clone story, the John Madden Fetus unabortion story, and others that have harmed daytime soaps more than anything else.

People used to laugh at soaps and considered them inferior to primetime shows but at least when pushed they had to admit that the stories that people like Agnes Nixon and William J. Bell did were good and often educated the public who brought honor to the genre.

Now they just laugh at soaps period.
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When have soap operas ever had any street cred?
When there was only 3 channel choices?
The media has always looked at the soaps as low class television.
These shows probably will always be the black sheep of tv.
Sad, but true.
Crazy stories can't take all the blame for that.

Far-fetched plots have always happened on primetime soaps and dramas too.
From Dallas to Melrose to Gossip Girl.

They can be done poorly, no doubt,
to the point where it kills a show like
Port Charles and Passions.
But crazyness can also work I think.

Look at the chatter that the Days
serial killer plot brought in.
It was so dumb, yet everyone
and their momma was talking about it.
Same can be said when Luke was trying to save the world from being frozen on GH in the 80's.

Water-cooler stuff.

People have not stopped talking
about OLTL for a while now.
Good or bad.
It has buzz.

One person will see it as cheap ploys.
Another will see it as cleaver ones.

But I can tell you that I will always remember
the fun of Marlena floating around that room
and Casey meeting Robin on GH
and Viki living in a underground city on OLTL.
The endless fun of Sunset Beach....

Mindless entertainment.

If your looking for true to life drama all the time
turn the channel to Discovery or CNN.


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Well, I think he worked on the show for years before becoming headwriter, but someone called in a favor to get his foot in the door. It just makes me lose a little respect for him.

I guess that's the bizz!
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Maybe Ron could come to DOOL and work with Chris. :)
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I really enjoyed Ron's work pre-strike, and then from May-July too(and I actually am starting to enjoy it again as of late), and I don't want him fired, but my main problem with him so far has been that I think he can get WAY too nostalgic at times(I can't blame him alot of people probably want to create the old days all over again) and it messes up his writing. Now granted I've enjoyed the Secret Room but Mendorra and 1968 were too much in the end.

The only other problem I've had with him, although I love how he's weaved alot of them into the plot, and I've loved the characters and actors/actresses themselves, is the huge amount of short term returns. I mean I understand not everyone can come back long term, but we've had so many, and I mean SO MANY, returns since Ron was promoted to HW, and to me its just starting to get irritating.
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King
Oct 14 2008, 02:01 AM
Well, I think he worked on the show for years before becoming headwriter, but someone called in a favor to get his foot in the door. It just makes me lose a little respect for him.

I guess that's the bizz!
Imagine...nepotism in show business. :huh:

I personally don't have a problem with his writing, and as mentioned before, this constant turnover on soaps is one factor contributing to the genre's instability.

And, I disagree with those who are scoffing at the Tarty storyline and how it "hurts" the show's "creds". A biig WORD to Sally Slice and her take on soap's "creds". It's been a LONG time since soaps had creds.

Now, if it gets RESOLVED in a less than stellar way, then you guys can say "I told you so". But seriously, this is an interesting take on human pysche, if Ron resolves it in a decent way. Isn't that what soaps are supposed to be about? They're not all about romance and mush and gush, otherwise, they'd be stale and end up pretty much the same after a while. At least, the shows I enjoy. Man, Law and Order SVU could have a field day with this type of storyline.

The man took a chance. OK, fine. We need to make up our minds. We moan and groan when things are the same old same old, recycled stories, then a guy takes a chance on something new, and he still gets bashed. Hell, these poor writers can't win. To paraphrase a line from Gone with the Wind, He was Jesus the Savior with the BE takeover, and now he's Judas the Betrayer with Todd and Marty. How fickle are fans........

My only complaint about this storyline (beside the hideous nightgowns) is that it should be resolved by now. There was wayy too much time taken with the whole "Marty in Granny gowns in bed playing Heart and Soul" stuff.

I think it should have started a little later if the gameplan is to have Todd take Starr's baby. But, it's going to be tying in to other storylines. Starr's baby........Blair and John's relationship...............possibly John's investigation into Christian's disappearance.......which ties into Langston's story......which ties into a possible Cramer tragedy............there will be a Dorian tie-in, a Nora tie-in................see the possibilities? Oh, and I forgot Janet!
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