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DAYS:Trent's killer is.....; UPDATED
Topic Started: Oct 23 2008, 01:36 AM (7,214 Views)
ElvisDiMera
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Tripp
Oct 25 2008, 03:44 PM
ElvisDiMera
Oct 25 2008, 03:00 PM
Drug dependency is not an excuse for murder even if the victim was a low life thug who tried to pimp out his own daughter.
Maybe in real life but this is soap. Remember that both Marlena and Kate shot at EJ but nothing happened to them. Lucas got off after a few months in prison. Stephanie and Chelsea got off with Ford after having him buried twice and Max only got community service.

It's gonna make me furious that the show decides for ONCE to punish the one guy who has tended to be more good then bad on his worst day into prison for killing a horrible guy WHILE he was under the influence of drugs.

Plus they could also try to do a mental illness. Someone else pointed out that they've already setup for this, Nick saying in the jailcell about his DUI he felt like it wasn't him.
EJ lived, Trent wasn't so lucky.

Also, with Ford, they didn't set out to kill him. Ford died because he tripped and fell.

I'm just saying that if Nick is the killer, they need more than drug dependency to be the reason for his crime. Like self-defense or in defense of another or accidental.
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Oct 25 2008, 04:54 PM
Dena has done mental illness stories before-Jess/tess..it started off great...I actually really like Tess and her romance with Nash, but somehow the dtoryline got ruin at some point.

Nick has the family history, it could also be a first for DOOL in a while. To actually bring back family history and using that for a storyline
That's Dena for you. She knows how to turn gold into manure faster than you can say "what's that smell?"
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ElvisDiMera
Oct 25 2008, 05:57 PM
EJ lived, Trent wasn't so lucky.

Also, with Ford, they didn't set out to kill him. Ford died because he tripped and fell.

I'm just saying that if Nick is the killer, they need more than drug dependency to be the reason for his crime. Like self-defense or in defense of another or accidental.
Well, I might agree with you in real life, but not so much on soaps. After all, I can't recall Stefano or EJ paying for any of their crimes. EJ never paid for shooting John, torturing Steve, or any of the Black Glove crimes. Stefano has never paid for anything he's done.

Why should Nick pay if he committed a crime due to drug dependency or mental illness?
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esp13
Oct 25 2008, 06:08 PM
ElvisDiMera
Oct 25 2008, 05:57 PM
EJ lived, Trent wasn't so lucky.

Also, with Ford, they didn't set out to kill him. Ford died because he tripped and fell.

I'm just saying that if Nick is the killer, they need more than drug dependency to be the reason for his crime. Like self-defense or in defense of another or accidental.
Well, I might agree with you in real life, but not so much on soaps. After all, I can't recall Stefano or EJ paying for any of their crimes. EJ never paid for shooting John, torturing Steve, or any of the Black Glove crimes. Stefano has never paid for anything he's done.

Why should Nick pay if he committed a crime due to drug dependency or mental illness?
EJ shot John in cold blood but John lived. Lucas shot EJ in cold blood but EJ lived. Trent is dead.

Lucas and EJ paid for their crime in that Lucas went to prison for a few months and EJ was shot himself, lingered in the hospital and paralyzed for awhile. I think had Lucas and EJ been successful in their murder attempts, the would have written more severe soapland punishments for them.

Stefano is a full-fledged villain thus does not need to pay for his crimes.
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ElvisDiMera
Oct 25 2008, 05:57 PM
EJ lived, Trent wasn't so lucky.

Also, with Ford, they didn't set out to kill him. Ford died because he tripped and fell.

I'm just saying that if Nick is the killer, they need more than drug dependency to be the reason for his crime. Like self-defense or in defense of another or accidental.
Yea but I don't think Nick set out to kill Trent either. It was Melanie who brought the knife to the murder scene so unless he brought something else but decided to use a weapon of convenience, I think this will be an accidental death.

Of course, the doesn't excuse his behavior of trying to gaslight Melanie which I still feel is totally OOC for him.
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So as long as you don't actually kill somebody, it's okay? Sorry, I just can't agree with that standard. I personally don't necessarily like the fact that nobody pays for crimes in Salem, but I think it should at least be consistent. If EJ never pays for his crime (being shot and paralyzed for a couple of weeks just doesn't qualify as punishment to me), and gets to be considered a wholesome citizen of Salem, then I can't see Nick paying for killing Trent either.
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Oct 25 2008, 06:32 PM
So as long as you don't actually kill somebody, it's okay? Sorry, I just can't agree with that standard. I personally don't necessarily like the fact that nobody pays for crimes in Salem, but I think it should at least be consistent. If EJ never pays for his crime (being shot and paralyzed for a couple of weeks just doesn't qualify as punishment to me), and gets to be considered a wholesome citizen of Salem, then I can't see Nick paying for killing Trent either.
Did I say it was "okay"? Please point out where I said it was okay.
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Sorry, that was how it seemed to me from your comments that EJ and John didn't die, but Trent did. It seemed that you were okay with EJ not being punished for shooting John because John didn't die. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologize for misunderstanding. That just seemed to be a distinction you were making.
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Oct 25 2008, 07:26 PM
Sorry, that was how it seemed to me from your comments that EJ and John didn't die, but Trent did. It seemed that you were okay with EJ not being punished for shooting John because John didn't die. If that wasn't what you meant, I apologize for misunderstanding. That just seemed to be a distinction you were making.
Well, I do believe murder is a much more serious crime than attempted murder and so does the law thus the difference in penalty between the two. In a strict soap context, If they felt Lucas needed to pay for his crime of attempted murder by going away to prison for a few months, don't you think they would give Nick a more serious punishment for actual murder (unless they expect to play him as a straight villain from here forward)?

The story has not played out but simple drug dependency is not enough of an explanation for Nick to have murdered Trent but still continue on the canvas as a rootable character. They will need to make it in self defense, defense of another, or accidental.

I do not think attempted murder is "okay" simply because I see the difference in severity between murder and attempted murder as far as crimes go.
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any more scoop from this topic, angie or OBK?
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ElvisDiMera
Oct 26 2008, 03:16 PM
Well, I do believe murder is a much more serious crime than attempted murder and so does the law thus the difference in penalty between the two. In a strict soap context, If they felt Lucas needed to pay for his crime of attempted murder by going away to prison for a few months, don't you think they would give Nick a more serious punishment for actual murder (unless they expect to play him as a straight villain from here forward)?

The story has not played out but simple drug dependency is not enough of an explanation for Nick to have murdered Trent but still continue on the canvas as a rootable character. They will need to make it in self defense, defense of another, or accidental.

I do not think attempted murder is "okay" simply because I see the difference in severity between murder and attempted murder as far as crimes go.
Well, as I said before I think we'll have to agree to disagree. EJ is now a "good guy" and has never paid for shooting John or for locking Lucas in a freezer truck in an attempt to kill him. So, if the writers didn't feel it was necessary to punish EJ for his crimes even though he is not a straight villain, then I don't see why they would need to punish Nick or why the drug dependency wouldn't be enough of an explanation for the audience. Sure, John and Lucas didn't die, but that wasn't because EJ didn't intend to kill them. And, while Trent may be dead, he was undisputedly an "evil" person, whereas both John and Lucas were good guys. So, in the soap world, Nick's crime is probably less than EJ's (particularly when you throw in the attempted murders of Max, Stephanie, Steve and Kayla during EJ's "Black Glove" days).

Now, I certainly hope that there is more of an explanation and that it was self-defense, or defense of Melanie, or maybe just a straight mental illness storyline. But, if they only go with the drug dependency, it will be more of an explanation than they've given for a lot of people who committed crimes and got off scott free in Salem.
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It certainly is more palatable than demonic possession or brainwashing.
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