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Big Changes at NBC? Silverman getting canned?
Topic Started: Oct 30 2008, 04:14 AM (2,106 Views)
Shylock


Excuse me, but a lot of people out there prefer the non laugh track comedies to the ones with them. If a joke is funny, I know when to laugh. We don't need a cue for it. The Office is great, as is 30 Rock. Earl was good in it's first two seasons and hasn't been at that level since. Also they were stupid not to renew Scrubs to let it run out a full last season. That show was great.

The problem isn't the comedies, but the programs with which they chose to invest in. Lipstick Jungle was stupid, Knight Rider looks cheap and gimmicky and they invest too much in reality-type television programs. Deal Or No Deal is cool, The Apprentice can be top notch at times, but they overdo it to extremes. The concept of reality television is overexposed and saturated. They need to cut back on them and only invest in those kind of shows whose concept is higher-end and unique.

Other than Heroes, there aren't any shows with a broad scope (ie. large cast, long-term storylines, building drama and action) on NBC. That's what they're missing. Original programming, cutting down on the reality television shows and investing in nights other than Mondays and Thursdays would be a good start.

They also need to stop with the "Hey, this show is good on this day, so lets put it on another day, surely it'll do good there too!" and then go on to wonder why that show fails miserably.
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Shylock
Oct 30 2008, 10:33 PM

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Excuse me, but a lot of people out there prefer the non laugh track comedies to the ones with them.


Where are they, because they sure aren't watching the ones on NBC LOL Aiside from the Office, NBC comedies are are a complete failure. They appeal to such a small audience that it's hurt the networks whole Thursday lineup. Like I posted in the Primetime lounge, You can't create a 4 show lineup with shows that are a complete 180 of the traditional "must see TV" shows of the 90's early 00's and expect longtime viewers to watch them. 15 million people watched Will & Grace and now NBC is lucky if one of their shows pull half of that.

Until NBC wakes up and starts catering to the majority of American viewers, they will continue their downward spiral.


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They need to cut back on them and only invest in those kind of shows whose concept is higher-end and unique.


Unique high-end shows doesn't work either. Look at ABC's Life on Mars for example, excellet show, excellent actors, unique premise, but the numbers are horrible. It's lead-in gets 15 million and it ony keeps half the audience. Same with Pushing Daisies; critical acclaim, 3 Emmy's and it's the most original show on TV IMO and it only gets 6 million viewers. If it were on NBC, it would have already been renewed for 2009-2010 :laugh:

Sure, shows like Lost and Heroes are a success but after a short while they eventually crash and burn.

Right now the only thing working for the networks are crime procedurals, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, and traditional comedies. NBC needs to find a couple new crime procedurals (not affiliated with Dick Wolf) and a couple traditional sitcoms to anchor their lineup and even things out, and go from there.

Edited by Rick, Oct 30 2008, 11:47 PM.
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Oct 30 2008, 10:33 PM
If a joke is funny, I know when to laugh. We don't need a cue for it.
I hate this argument. The traditional sitcom was never about the cue of "when to laugh." Like many, it is a matter of preference and taste.

When one watches a traditional sitcom, the issue is never "OMG, THIS IS FUNNY!" It's that feeling of live theater, that feeling of anything can happen, that there is some kind of organization. When I watch a show like "The Office" or "30 Rock," it's not all inclusive. I don't feel like I am being let in on the characters and their lives, because everything is all about these inside jokes that someone stumbling onto the show will never understand.

Sitcoms are supposed to be self-contained. Continuing dramas are dramedies, soaps, etc. A show like OFFICE, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, and 30 ROCK are not self-contained and when watching, I feel as though I have to watch the entire season before to get the joke. And I don't feel like that is an incentive to tune in.

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The problem isn't the comedies, but the programs with which they chose to invest in. Lipstick Jungle was stupid, Knight Rider looks cheap and gimmicky and they invest too much in reality-type television programs.


I didn't mention the atrocities of LIPSTICK and KR, because NBC, despite having had good dramas over the years, have always built itself on the Thursday Night block of comedies. They have invested millions promoting and investing in that night over the years and no one at NBC seems to remember there are other nights of the week.

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Deal Or No Deal is cool, The Apprentice can be top notch at times, but they overdo it to extremes. The concept of reality television is overexposed and saturated. They need to cut back on them and only invest in those kind of shows whose concept is higher-end and unique.


This is likely to never happen. These types of programs are cheaper to produce, more self-contained, and come with a loyal, built-in audience for at least the next three years.

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Other than Heroes, there aren't any shows with a broad scope (ie. large cast, long-term storylines, building drama and action) on NBC. That's what they're missing. Original programming, cutting down on the reality television shows and investing in nights other than Mondays and Thursdays would be a good start.


I would agree there. But I also think the network needs to really cater to what people want in their programming instead of trying to train them to like something else. Say what you will, but CBS's comedy lineup is solid on Monday Nights, even against football. The weakest link there is probably WORST WEEK, which, go figure, is a single camera comedy.

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They also need to stop with the "Hey, this show is good on this day, so lets put it on another day, surely it'll do good there too!" and then go on to wonder why that show fails miserably.


The goal is to either move that show in hopes that other viewers will be attracted to it that night of the week(the way moving GREY'S ANATOMY helped ABC for its first few years on the air) or make the show crash and burn.

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Where are they, because they sure aren't watching the ones on NBC LOL Aiside from the Office, NBC comedies are are a complete failure. They appeal to such a small audience that it's hurt the networks whole Thursday lineup. Like I posted in the Primetime lounge, You can't create a 4 show lineup with shows that are a complete 180 of the traditional "must see TV" shows of the 90's early 00's and expect longtime viewers to watch them. 15 million people watched Will & Grace and now NBC is lucky if one of their shows pull half of that.

Until NBC wakes up and starts catering to the majority of American viewers, they will continue their downward spiral.


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Rakesh198
Oct 30 2008, 02:39 PM
quote]Do you live in the US? If so, which channel will be airing Hollyoaks? You should watch it, btw. It is really good.
I live in New England in the US. HOLLYOAKS was being shown on BBCAmerica which is a cable channel showing some of the BBC's programming here. Our local cable lineup dropped that channel just before HOLLYOAKS started to be shown. Someone posted that they aren't even showing it on BBCAmerica anymore. I would love to watch it but everytime I get access to any of the UK soaps, something comes along to stop it. All of the UK soaps have websites where they show clips and daily summaries, previews etc.! EASTENDERS even has same day episodes on it's web site but you have to live in the UK to see them. CORONATION STREET and EMMERDALE are on ITV and THEY don't even let non-Uk residents watch the CLIPS. I think it has something to do with You Tube. The BBC is working on allowing non-UK residents to access the episodes on their sites and then maybe I can watch EASTENDERS and HOLLYOAKS.
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Oct 30 2008, 03:46 PM
And Paul Telegdy has made BBC America utter shit, so I don't know how much of a step up this alleged move would be...
I was VERY disappointed in a lot of the changes he brought to that network and I'm not expecting big things for NBC.
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Oct 31 2008, 12:57 PM
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Oct 30 2008, 10:33 PM
If a joke is funny, I know when to laugh. We don't need a cue for it.
I hate this argument. The traditional sitcom was never about the cue of "when to laugh." Like many, it is a matter of preference and taste.

When one watches a traditional sitcom, the issue is never "OMG, THIS IS FUNNY!" It's that feeling of live theater, that feeling of anything can happen, that there is some kind of organization. When I watch a show like "The Office" or "30 Rock," it's not all inclusive. I don't feel like I am being let in on the characters and their lives, because everything is all about these inside jokes that someone stumbling onto the show will never understand.

Sitcoms are supposed to be self-contained. Continuing dramas are dramedies, soaps, etc. A show like OFFICE, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, and 30 ROCK are not self-contained and when watching, I feel as though I have to watch the entire season before to get the joke. And I don't feel like that is an incentive to tune in.
That whole formula, IMO, is way dated. While I'm a big fan of The Office and 30 Rock, etc. They need to try and merge that in with the production values of an Office or 30 Rock or Earl, etc. Scrubs did it perfectly. Laugh Track Comedies come off as WAY dated. And honestly, 30 Rock isn't that hard to get into by just stepping in upon one episode.

And not every show like this is going to be a success, just like not every show in the traditional sitcom format is going to be a success. I'm betting that the number of failures in that format have been way greater than the successes. And that translates to pretty much every genre and medium of video entertainment there is. Just because Kath & Kim aren't doing well and because Earl has slipped off doesn't mean anything about that format of entertainment.

If they brought back that type of comedy on Thursday or whatever, then it would stick out like a sore thumb.
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Nov 2 2008, 07:54 AM
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Oct 30 2008, 02:39 PM
quote]Do you live in the US? If so, which channel will be airing Hollyoaks? You should watch it, btw. It is really good.
I live in New England in the US. HOLLYOAKS was being shown on BBCAmerica which is a cable channel showing some of the BBC's programming here. Our local cable lineup dropped that channel just before HOLLYOAKS started to be shown. Someone posted that they aren't even showing it on BBCAmerica anymore. I would love to watch it but everytime I get access to any of the UK soaps, something comes along to stop it. All of the UK soaps have websites where they show clips and daily summaries, previews etc.! EASTENDERS even has same day episodes on it's web site but you have to live in the UK to see them. CORONATION STREET and EMMERDALE are on ITV and THEY don't even let non-Uk residents watch the CLIPS. I think it has something to do with You Tube. The BBC is working on allowing non-UK residents to access the episodes on their sites and then maybe I can watch EASTENDERS and HOLLYOAKS.
I post new episodes of all those soaps at my forum. If people want me to post them here just reply to this post and let me know.
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Nov 2 2008, 01:43 PM
If they brought back that type of comedy on Thursday or whatever, then it would stick out like a sore thumb.
I'd agree with you there, but the only reason why that wouldn't work is because NBC's audience has now been trained to watch this specific type of program. The stiff single camera comedy. People who are more comfortable with that type of comedy will seek the fix elsewhere.

I just realised there was a single camera, no laugh trach sitcom I actually enjoyed: MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE. But, as I said earlier, episodes of that show were pretty self contained and there wasn't this underlying inside joke in every episode. It didn't try to pretend it was clever. It just told the joke.

As I said before, matter of taste, I guess.
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Nov 2 2008, 01:55 PM
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I post new episodes of all those soaps at my forum. If people want me to post them here just reply to this post and let me know. [/quote]I don't know if DR would have a problem with it but iI'd LOVE to see the shows. I've been thwarted at every attempt for the past few years. How do I access your forum?
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Rakesh, I found it! Thanks so much. I'm worried if you post them here, it will jinx things. LOL!
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last i heard, the office is down a bit in ratings, but 30 rock is doing great. it got its highest ratings ever when the season premiered last week. so i think nbc does have something going for it in respect to those two shows. they're both great.

for me, comedy is just about quality writing. i cannot stand the fat guy/hot wife or 'family guy' (not the real family guy, that show is great) comedies that are taking over cbs and abc. seeing a jerk moan and groan about how horrible it is to be married and how awful his wife and kids are(and vice versa) just isn't funny to me, but maybe that's because i'm young and don't have a family--i really don't know.

i do think it's troubling that they've brought someone on from bbc because after the office's success, nbc thinks they can take every british/australian comedy and turn it into soemthing americans will like, and that just isn't the case.

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