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Nelson Ratings — Great Y&R News; OLTL Tarty; TVGC
Topic Started: Nov 10 2008, 10:53 AM (1,086 Views)
hunterforrester
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http://tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/Soaps/Nelson_Ratings/Articles/081110_ratings_nelson_NB
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Rakesh198
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thanks!
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Hallelujah! Proving once again The Young and the Restless is the best soap opera on the planet because it actually listens to its fans, TVGuide.ca has learned the soaper has fired Erin Sanders as Eden. “She was given an acting coach, and when that didn’t work, Y&R fired her,” says an insider. Maria Arena Bell be forewarned: I’m so making sweet love to you the next time I see your beautiful face!

I'm so glad to hear this. It's been over a month now and she hasn't grown on me at all, and I don't think she ever would. It's not just her acting. It's her voice. It's her facial expressions when she is talking to other actors in the scene. She's a one-note actor and she can't even play that one-note right. I'm so glad Bell and Rauch seems to realize these things, unlike a lot of EPs that would've kept Sanders for a while, maybe forever.

Now, I wonder if they're going to recast Eden. If you ask me, she's not needed. Michael already has one sibling that gets no storyline material when he should be all over this screen with Greg Rikaart's talent. And hopefully losing Eden means River will leave as well. I'd rather just have the three Baldwins/Fishers. That means I want you gone too, Jeffrey!

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Have you ever watched a sicker and more twisted episode in all of TV when One Life to Live’s Todd and Marty had sex on Nov. 6’s show? Hell to the no! I’ve already spilled enough ink on my thoughts regarding inarguably the biggest soap opera writing mistake since All My Children unaborted Erica’s baby, so I’ll keep this short and sweet.

Ever since Tarty kissed, I’ve stopped caring about the storyline, the show, and the characters. Other stunned bloggers are currently having a field day over the obscene and insulting decision to have Todd rape Marty a second time.

However, I will applaud Trevor St. John’s (Todd) intuitive, responsible performance during the whole debacle. As Todd, St. John wisely chose to sport his deer-in-the-headlights look in reaction to all that was unfolding around him. He may have just saved his career by doing so! St. John deserves an Emmy nomination for acting out this garbage.

Moreover, I wanted to give props to the writing department. Yes, you read that correctly. Despite its disgusting content, it was OLTL’s best-written episode technically and stylistically — especially when it came to the dialogue (the Viki/Dorian/Jean scenes were top-notch) — of 2008. Ironic, huh?

What was surprising, however, was how depraved the rest of the episode was. If you are what you write, then I’m not sure I want to ever hang out with OLTL’s head-writing team ever again. The main problem with this eppy — and the show in general — is the fact that OLTL is devoid of any heart, humanity and light. The show is simply soulless.

I wish I was as against this storyline and as compassionate as some of the fans of OLTL are when it comes to Todd and Marty. Maybe it's because I didn't see the actual rape and go through the aftermath along with Marty when it happened, but I can look passed the fact that, yes, Todd raped Marty and in Marty's (and even Todd's) right mind, this would never happen. However, Marty has amnesia. She doesn't remember Todd. And then you have Todd, who knows this is wrong. I give to it to St. John because he plays that torn emotion when playing these scenes. You can tell that Todd is conflicted. He knows this is wrong, but he's taken care of this woman, who he has a long past history with, brought her back to health, sees her everday, has spent time with this woman for the last seven months and he's only been with her. Those close quarters, you're going to develop feelings for her. And with Todd, he is looking at this like he has a clean slate. He knows what he did to Marty 15 years ago, but with her not being able to remember, he feels that by being nice to her and showing her this humanistic side of him to the woman that really thinks he's the ultimate animal, he feels that he's redeeming himself.

It's a great psychological storyline for me. Did they go too far by having them make love? Maybe. I think they should have kept Todd pushing Marty away and not letting it get that far, and then have Marty wonder why he was doing that. Maybe sex was going too far. And that's where I can see Frons poking his head into things. He sees this storyline going on. He's seeing what kind of controversy it's raising. He sees a goldmine and he wants to push the envelope. I'd like to think Carlivati was never going to have Todd and Marty make love, bu was pushed to do so by Frons and had to write it in that direction.

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In Paris, The Young and the Restless’ Sharon informed her ex-husband, Nick, "I've always wanted to come here.” Um, didn’t Sharon and Noah leave for Paris on April 20, 2006 when Phyllis and Nick’s affair was exposed?

Good point. Also, I remember hearing the promo where Nick asks Sharon that he's surprised she's never been to Paris. Um, you've been with this chick since high school. And when you started dating to her, she was dirt poor. I doubt she had been to Paris before that. So why is it surprising to Nick that Sharon, who he's spent most of his adult life with, has never been to Paris? That was a dumb script error.
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Nubia
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Thank you Jeebus! I am so glad Erin/Eden is gone. She was just painful to watch.
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Y&RWorldTurner
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Sharongate, bitches!

Good Eden was an obvious weakness in a strong, stable, and entertaining Y&R.
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Erin Sanders being fired is some of the best news I've heard in awhile.

The way she talked about "A Moveable Feast" today with Noah...it just seemed so blah. Anyone with an interest in classic literature who was in the same footsteps as their favorite writer would either be bouncing off the walls or pulling off an air of pretension.

Maybe she will improve and find work elsewhere. But, if they are setting Erin up as someone who will clash with "hick" bitch Sharon(as was heavily alluded in today's show), Sanders wouldn't have stood a chance. I'm glad they didn't waste money on the kids going to Paris. That would have been a wasted shoot they could never use in couple flashbacks.

Paul and Maria are making the right decisions for this show. If only Tammin were next. We'd all be happy.
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I'd hardly call the Tarty store soap's most offensive storyline ever. Besides it just being a matter of opinion, there's a HELL of a lot of soap history to cover. I know a lot of people didn't like it, but there are also people who weren't bothered by it. Sure, I never saw the original rape, but the worst I figured into the story was that the scene itself was a little too blatant. It was probably poor taste, but I don't think it's the end of civilization as we know it.
With all the violence and gratuitous sex that goes on TV, I think this figures into just a tiny blip on the radar. Now, if that organization that touts healthy TV watching starts lamblasting this storyline, I'll take note.
And, no, I'm not anti-woman. Far from it.
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I hate Tarty sex as much as anyone, but if you ask me, the most offensive soap story will always go down as being Iraq on DAYS.
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ladyofthelake
Nov 10 2008, 09:06 PM
I'd hardly call the Tarty store soap's most offensive storyline ever. Besides it just being a matter of opinion, there's a HELL of a lot of soap history to cover. I know a lot of people didn't like it, but there are also people who weren't bothered by it. Sure, I never saw the original rape, but the worst I figured into the story was that the scene itself was a little too blatant. It was probably poor taste, but I don't think it's the end of civilization as we know it.
With all the violence and gratuitous sex that goes on TV, I think this figures into just a tiny blip on the radar. Now, if that organization that touts healthy TV watching starts lamblasting this storyline, I'll take note.
And, no, I'm not anti-woman. Far from it.
:hail: Best post about the Tarty sex that I've read. Thanks for posting, Lady.
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Hoagie Sheffer and Maria Arena Bell have wisely revitalized the adorable cad


Vomit! I will never understand how Kevin escapes being a chat room pedophile and attempted murderer, while characters like Todd continue to be vilified forever. When did Kevin become an adorable cad?!
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Sharongate, bitches!

Drew
Nov 10 2008, 09:50 PM
When did Kevin become an adorable cad?!
He didn't, Nelson is just embellishing. They're starting to explore Kevin's dark side again, and it kind of grew out of Katherine's umbrella story.
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Good stuff, Nelson.

I won't even comment on Tarty. Ugh.

Y&R is great right now and it looks like it's only going to get better.
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The Iraq storyline was disgusting.

But, Tarty still offends me. He raped her body last time around and now he raped her heart and mind.

As for Eden, I'd recast but she needs to be a strong actress... really strong and I hope she can play a bitch. I want to see her go up against sanctimonious Sharon and win.
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I agree about Iraq, but there's something instinctively, primally, offensive about Tarty. I'm sure it's more about the spectre of rape that hovers over some of us due to people we know or whatever... but Iraq offended me greatly on a political level. Whereas Tarty is like a knife in the chest, and makes me want to put a fist through a wall.

Although if you were to ask the child of veteran lost in a war, I'm sure they'd see it differently. I think it's just that rape is a really personal issue for so many of us.
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I am so happy that Erin has been dropped!
Hope you have a fallback career honey.

More Greg/Kevin = wetness.

Tarty doesn't come close to being the worst.
Passions holds that title.
Rape drove that show for ages.

So I'm wondering if Nelson has a personal history with rape?
Or is a huge Marty fan?
How come mind-rape is hard to handle,
yet murder and baby death slides by more easier?

Todd has always been a shit.
He never learns and his actions get worse and worse,
yet I still love him.
Evil flaws and all.
That's who he is.

I'm hoping Marty will be even stronger from all this.

And that episode was fucking awesome!




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MichaelGL
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Pshh offensive? Obvious they have never watched Allistair Crane's reign of terror on Passions. Some of the things that man did were offensive and utterly disgusting.

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Yeah, but I could never take any of the "offensive" stories on Passions seriously. The way they were portrayed - the camp level - it was hard for me to be offended by anything on there. If it was a soap that took itself seriously, then yeah - I would definitely find those stories the most repulsive on daytime. But half the time I felt like they were poking fun at the genre anyway.
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brimike
Nov 11 2008, 10:05 AM
Yeah, but I could never take any of the "offensive" stories on Passions seriously. The way they were portrayed - the camp level - it was hard for me to be offended by anything on there. If it was a soap that took itself seriously, then yeah - I would definitely find those stories the most repulsive on daytime. But half the time I felt like they were poking fun at the genre anyway.
When Alistair raped Theresa - That was really, really bad. A good amount of viewers left Passions during that time.

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I never saw Todd raping Marty - I actually like them together. I was kinda bummed out a few weeks ago when I found out Todd raped Marty.

Soap critics and fans are overreacting, IMO. Its killing daytime? Are you serious? That is bullshit! Blame daytime dying on the execs and hacks that they have for writers.
Edited by Rakesh198, Nov 11 2008, 03:40 PM.
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Proving once again The Young and the Restless is the best soap opera on the planet because it actually listens to its fans, TVGuide.ca has learned the soaper has fired Erin Sanders as Eden.
If they were listening to their fans Tammin Sursok would have been gone a lonnnnnnnnnng time ago!

I can't believe they already recast the Eden character with Gilmore Girls alum Vanessa Marano. OTOH, I guess I can since Hogan likes to write for the younger crowd.
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