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DAYS: Why did Shawn and Belle get written out?
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I really think Martha just hasn't been looking for many acting gigs. I think she's satisfied with her and her husband's restaurant business, at the moment. I have a hard time buying the rumor about Martha being difficult to work with. She's never struck me as the type at all.
I find it hard to believe that MM was difficult to work with and have some suspicions about who is spreading rumors to the contrary and let's just say they have their own agenda.
Care to enlighten us?
The resentment of a few fans over the fact that Belle was recast when Storms left was pretty severe and no secrets were kept about how disliked MM was especially after Belle under MM developed a following. A fever pitch was reached for some after Clubhouse was cancelled and Storms reported that she tried to get her job back but Corday wouldn't because he was happy with MM.

All of this is pretty clear around the net and other than that I can't say anymore.
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Corday is the one behind MM and BB's firings. Higley and Scott wanted to do a Shawn/Belle/Philip/Chloe quad, with Philip/Belle and Shawn/Chloe being the couples to come out of it. They both saw more story potential with those couples than with Shawn/Belle and a Philip/Chloe redux. They fought with Corday on this and Corday was the one who made the executive decision to terminate the two. He forced Scott to break the news to Brandon and Martha. This is why there was a sudden shift in the story at the beginning of the year as Shawn forgave Belle and Philip and Chloe started moving towards each other in Ireland.

That being said, I don't miss either of them. Beemer was a horrible recast and had no chemistry with Martha.
Not doubting you, but how do you know for sure that Corday was the one behind it, and that Scott and Dena (who clearly weren't the best of friends lol), wanted the quad to continue.
Because I know someone close to the situation.
Then that begs the question. If Corday was responsible for it, what was his reasoning behind it?
I think we already established that. He wanted to preserve Shelle.

He felt they were being threatened. Phelle was big, Shawn/Chloe was getting big. He got rid of them and I think the plan was to recast with either Storms/Cook or Cook and someone else. Ultimately, he had no choice but to just keep them off the canvas because he couldn't get it the way he wanted.

Martha's firing got such a huge fan response, moreso then RJ or others. In recent years, Days has reversed casting decisions in response to fans yet they don't this time. Sort of weird. I also find it weird that Martha has not been hired and Beemer has. We don't even hear much about Martha being considered for roles. That just puzzles me.
You would be correct. Corday saw them as a package deal and didn't value them as individuals, so he got rid of both of them.

Jason Cook was approached but declined the offer out of respect to Brandon Beemer and because he didn't want to do "Shelle" again without Kirsten - and Kirsten will never reprise the role of Belle, at least as long as Corday is there.
I'm not saying Beemer was Al Pacino, but compared to Cook, he might as well have been
You can say that again. JC's lack of air time after all the big to-do over his being hired by GH is pretty obvious that Cook's acting isn't what they were expecting nor, unless he's cleaned up his act, are his work habits.

As for why Corday let them go, I don't think there is any big reason for it. I don't think Corday, well thinks, or has any grand plan for the show at all.
Then why was Jason Cook given his choice of two ABC shows? He didn't go to them. I believe they sought him out.
I know they sought him out but he's hardly been used and has no signs of having a storyline that he plays a major part of. I don't see GH splitting up Spinelli and Maxie anytime in the near future and the whole counterfiet drugs storyline seems to have been dropped.

If he was so very sought after, why isn't he being used?
I'm sure Brian Fronz is the one to ask.
I mean seriously. It would be one thing if Jason Cook sought them out. They wanted him. Yes, it's possible the dynamics didn't work, or that GH actually listened to their fans in regards to this, or that Jason Cook and Matt Hunter are not a good fit. I have no idea. I don't watch GH. All i know is.......there were quite a few fans around who were definitely not pleased with Beemer, so I don't even know why this has to be a "who's better" scenario, especially when, well, preferences are subjective. You have the right to prefer Beemer. I have the right to prefer Cook. And Corday had the right to can or let both of them go, as the boss. Who knows why they did it? I'm sure the truth is out there. And now, Beemer can be enjoyed on B&B.
Just out of curiosity, were you only a Beemer Shelle fan or were you also a Cook Shelle fan, or just a Cook/Storms Shelle fan? I know quite a few Shelle fans who got pissed off at Cook because he wouldn't pimp a JC/MM Shelle.
It's immaterial to me. I wanted Shawn to get dumped on a deserted island and have Belle return for Philip. Philip needs a REAL woman in his life, dammit! I'm almost ready to turn to the Phloe side.
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Corday is the one behind MM and BB's firings. Higley and Scott wanted to do a Shawn/Belle/Philip/Chloe quad, with Philip/Belle and Shawn/Chloe being the couples to come out of it. They both saw more story potential with those couples than with Shawn/Belle and a Philip/Chloe redux. They fought with Corday on this and Corday was the one who made the executive decision to terminate the two. He forced Scott to break the news to Brandon and Martha. This is why there was a sudden shift in the story at the beginning of the year as Shawn forgave Belle and Philip and Chloe started moving towards each other in Ireland.

That being said, I don't miss either of them. Beemer was a horrible recast and had no chemistry with Martha.
Not doubting you, but how do you know for sure that Corday was the one behind it, and that Scott and Dena (who clearly weren't the best of friends lol), wanted the quad to continue.
Because I know someone close to the situation.
Then that begs the question. If Corday was responsible for it, what was his reasoning behind it?
I think we already established that. He wanted to preserve Shelle.

He felt they were being threatened. Phelle was big, Shawn/Chloe was getting big. He got rid of them and I think the plan was to recast with either Storms/Cook or Cook and someone else. Ultimately, he had no choice but to just keep them off the canvas because he couldn't get it the way he wanted.

Martha's firing got such a huge fan response, moreso then RJ or others. In recent years, Days has reversed casting decisions in response to fans yet they don't this time. Sort of weird. I also find it weird that Martha has not been hired and Beemer has. We don't even hear much about Martha being considered for roles. That just puzzles me.
You would be correct. Corday saw them as a package deal and didn't value them as individuals, so he got rid of both of them.

Jason Cook was approached but declined the offer out of respect to Brandon Beemer and because he didn't want to do "Shelle" again without Kirsten - and Kirsten will never reprise the role of Belle, at least as long as Corday is there.
I'm not saying Beemer was Al Pacino, but compared to Cook, he might as well have been
Now THAT is definitely a matter of opinion. Ever since Beemer got on board, I've seen several places where he was bashed up one side and down the other. And, I just don't mean on message boards. A lot of it might have had to do with the writing (and it probably did), but Shawn came across to a lot of people as a big dufus. And again, because Beemer came on the very HEELS of Cook, quite a few fans were not given the luxury to get used to him. It's not like they replaced some D level character. Jason Cook was Shawn for what? 7 years? Part of the established royal families? A big part of several storylines before Shelle? You just don't do that. I much preferred Jason Cook to Brandon Beemer.
I preferred Jason too. I couldn't get used to Brandon in the role and I didn't think he had any chemistry with Martha. I did start to like him a little bit when Nadia came back. I saw some chemistry there. Overall not impressed with his acting.

I loved Martha as Belle and loved her with Jay; so much chemistry there!
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The show finally realized after years of pimping how pathetic the couple really was.
But Shawn and Belle didn't have to be together anymore. Belle had the affair, she was in love with Philip, and it could have been the end of the couple. Beemer, even with his limited acting ability, had charisma, and could certainly have created a spark with a new actress. And Martha could have continued
to take Belle in a new direction. To me, there is nothing more interesting than a self-professed good girl, who is in denial about her own bad behavior. Oh well, I'm not writing the show
I should have written in my first post: how pathetic the couple and the characters were.
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Nov 11 2008, 07:08 PM
Then why was Jason Cook given his choice of two ABC shows? He didn't go to them. I believe they sought him out.
I know they sought him out but he's hardly been used and has no signs of having a storyline that he plays a major part of. I don't see GH splitting up Spinelli and Maxie anytime in the near future and the whole counterfiet drugs storyline seems to have been dropped.

If he was so very sought after, why isn't he being used?[/quote]Frons was excited to get a reunited Cook/Storms. When Cook was hired, Spinelli/Maxie was really just starting to hit their groove and get popular. I don't think anyone had any idea that pairing would be as popular as it is. Seems like Frons is going with the popular couple, although I personally like Spinelli/Maxie as friends I think they are going to lose what makes them work if they get romantic.

The lack of airtime for Cook on GH I really believe is more to do with not knowing what to do with the character. Because they made him a doctor instead of some link to the Mob, the writers at GH don't know what to do with the character. I remember when KS first came to GH, they didn't know what to do with her character either. It wasn't until about a year ago when they made Maxie an no apologies b*tch did she start to click in the role.
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The reason stated as to why they got written out was because they weren't clicking. And they were right. I never really cared for Martha and I think people overrate her, but any potential positives she could have brought to the table were negated by Brandon Beemer and his immense suckage and non-presence.

I think they should have had them split after she fessed up about sleeping with Phillip, sent Shawn away to the Academy or ISA training or something of that sort then brought him back with a better recast down the line.
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The end game should have been Shelle, because it was vital to the long-term foundation of the show. Bo and Hope's son and John and Marlena's daughter together would have set the stage for the next generation of Days.

As a big Shelle fan, let me just say I would have welcomed more Phillip and Chloe interference. There was more material left to play with everyone. Instead Brandon and Martha get the axe because Corday's too chicken-shit to threaten Shelle.

And there you have it. Shawn and Belle are gone, and I can't help but feel a HUGE void on the Days canvas.
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Nov 11 2008, 09:36 PM
The end game should have been Shelle, because it was vital to the long-term foundation of the show. Bo and Hope's son and John and Marlena's daughter together would have set the stage for the next generation of Days.
But their children is pretty much undateable for most of the population of the town (another problem with them).

Claire is now a Dimera, a Brady, a Kiriakis, a Roberts and a Horton. With the way things are with the show, she could only date one of the Carvers, Max (come on, you know it was coming) or someone new to town.

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Then why was Jason Cook given his choice of two ABC shows? He didn't go to them. I believe they sought him out.
I know they sought him out but he's hardly been used and has no signs of having a storyline that he plays a major part of. I don't see GH splitting up Spinelli and Maxie anytime in the near future and the whole counterfiet drugs storyline seems to have been dropped.

If he was so very sought after, why isn't he being used?
Frons was excited to get a reunited Cook/Storms. When Cook was hired, Spinelli/Maxie was really just starting to hit their groove and get popular. I don't think anyone had any idea that pairing would be as popular as it is. Seems like Frons is going with the popular couple, although I personally like Spinelli/Maxie as friends I think they are going to lose what makes them work if they get romantic.

The lack of airtime for Cook on GH I really believe is more to do with not knowing what to do with the character. Because they made him a doctor instead of some link to the Mob, the writers at GH don't know what to do with the character. I remember when KS first came to GH, they didn't know what to do with her character either. It wasn't until about a year ago when they made Maxie an no apologies b*tch did she start to click in the role. [/quote]Excellent points.
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I'm almost glad they didn't keep Shawn and Belle around in some form. I'd bet that Shawn would be lusting after Melanie or Morgan and Belle would be flirting around with some Passions cast-off and, much like the whole show is right now, the couple would be a disheveled mess.
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Martha was really smokin' with Jay but the writer's had her in a bundle with Shawn when they made Claire Shawn's biological child. I deplored that. However, a couple cannot stay together on Days without getting too boring. It would be fun to have MM back sans Shawn and in my wildest dream, discover that Claire is actually Philip's biological child, then they would disappear without a story...hum. I'm enjoying Jay too much to have his story end yet.
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I love Shelle and always have, but I couldn't have been happier when they both left. I couldn't stand Martha in the role of Belle, and Beemer did nothing for me. If Corday is the reason Kirsten would never consider a return, then maybe he should step down so the Classic Shelle can get another kick at the can!

Hell, I'd even take Kirsten and Brandon if I had to!
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Corday is the one behind MM and BB's firings. Higley and Scott wanted to do a Shawn/Belle/Philip/Chloe quad, with Philip/Belle and Shawn/Chloe being the couples to come out of it. They both saw more story potential with those couples than with Shawn/Belle and a Philip/Chloe redux. They fought with Corday on this and Corday was the one who made the executive decision to terminate the two. He forced Scott to break the news to Brandon and Martha. This is why there was a sudden shift in the story at the beginning of the year as Shawn forgave Belle and Philip and Chloe started moving towards each other in Ireland.

That being said, I don't miss either of them. Beemer was a horrible recast and had no chemistry with Martha.
Not doubting you, but how do you know for sure that Corday was the one behind it, and that Scott and Dena (who clearly weren't the best of friends lol), wanted the quad to continue.
Because I know someone close to the situation.
Then that begs the question. If Corday was responsible for it, what was his reasoning behind it?
I think we already established that. He wanted to preserve Shelle.

He felt they were being threatened. Phelle was big, Shawn/Chloe was getting big. He got rid of them and I think the plan was to recast with either Storms/Cook or Cook and someone else. Ultimately, he had no choice but to just keep them off the canvas because he couldn't get it the way he wanted.

Martha's firing got such a huge fan response, moreso then RJ or others. In recent years, Days has reversed casting decisions in response to fans yet they don't this time. Sort of weird. I also find it weird that Martha has not been hired and Beemer has. We don't even hear much about Martha being considered for roles. That just puzzles me.
You would be correct. Corday saw them as a package deal and didn't value them as individuals, so he got rid of both of them.

Jason Cook was approached but declined the offer out of respect to Brandon Beemer and because he didn't want to do "Shelle" again without Kirsten - and Kirsten will never reprise the role of Belle, at least as long as Corday is there.
I'm not saying Beemer was Al Pacino, but compared to Cook, he might as well have been
You can say that again. JC's lack of air time after all the big to-do over his being hired by GH is pretty obvious that Cook's acting isn't what they were expecting nor, unless he's cleaned up his act, are his work habits.

As for why Corday let them go, I don't think there is any big reason for it. I don't think Corday, well thinks, or has any grand plan for the show at all.
Then why was Jason Cook given his choice of two ABC shows? He didn't go to them. I believe they sought him out.
I know they sought him out but he's hardly been used and has no signs of having a storyline that he plays a major part of. I don't see GH splitting up Spinelli and Maxie anytime in the near future and the whole counterfiet drugs storyline seems to have been dropped.

If he was so very sought after, why isn't he being used?
I'm sure Brian Fronz is the one to ask.
I mean seriously. It would be one thing if Jason Cook sought them out. They wanted him. Yes, it's possible the dynamics didn't work, or that GH actually listened to their fans in regards to this, or that Jason Cook and Matt Hunter are not a good fit. I have no idea. I don't watch GH. All i know is.......there were quite a few fans around who were definitely not pleased with Beemer, so I don't even know why this has to be a "who's better" scenario, especially when, well, preferences are subjective. You have the right to prefer Beemer. I have the right to prefer Cook. And Corday had the right to can or let both of them go, as the boss. Who knows why they did it? I'm sure the truth is out there. And now, Beemer can be enjoyed on B&B.
Just out of curiosity, were you only a Beemer Shelle fan or were you also a Cook Shelle fan, or just a Cook/Storms Shelle fan? I know quite a few Shelle fans who got pissed off at Cook because he wouldn't pimp a JC/MM Shelle.
It's immaterial to me. I wanted Shawn to get dumped on a deserted island and have Belle return for Philip. Philip needs a REAL woman in his life, dammit! I'm almost ready to turn to the Phloe side.
What difference does it make who I am a fan of? Does that change the validity of my opinion?

The assumption seems to being made that because Fronz reportedly called Cook that it was Fronz who initiated the calls. It could also have been that Cook, and/or his agent put out the word that Cook wanted to go back to daytime and Fronz took it from there. We will never know the whole story.
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Corday is the one behind MM and BB's firings. Higley and Scott wanted to do a Shawn/Belle/Philip/Chloe quad, with Philip/Belle and Shawn/Chloe being the couples to come out of it. They both saw more story potential with those couples than with Shawn/Belle and a Philip/Chloe redux. They fought with Corday on this and Corday was the one who made the executive decision to terminate the two. He forced Scott to break the news to Brandon and Martha. This is why there was a sudden shift in the story at the beginning of the year as Shawn forgave Belle and Philip and Chloe started moving towards each other in Ireland.

That being said, I don't miss either of them. Beemer was a horrible recast and had no chemistry with Martha.
Not doubting you, but how do you know for sure that Corday was the one behind it, and that Scott and Dena (who clearly weren't the best of friends lol), wanted the quad to continue.
Because I know someone close to the situation.
Then that begs the question. If Corday was responsible for it, what was his reasoning behind it?
I think we already established that. He wanted to preserve Shelle.

He felt they were being threatened. Phelle was big, Shawn/Chloe was getting big. He got rid of them and I think the plan was to recast with either Storms/Cook or Cook and someone else. Ultimately, he had no choice but to just keep them off the canvas because he couldn't get it the way he wanted.

Martha's firing got such a huge fan response, moreso then RJ or others. In recent years, Days has reversed casting decisions in response to fans yet they don't this time. Sort of weird. I also find it weird that Martha has not been hired and Beemer has. We don't even hear much about Martha being considered for roles. That just puzzles me.
You would be correct. Corday saw them as a package deal and didn't value them as individuals, so he got rid of both of them.

Jason Cook was approached but declined the offer out of respect to Brandon Beemer and because he didn't want to do "Shelle" again without Kirsten - and Kirsten will never reprise the role of Belle, at least as long as Corday is there.
I'm not saying Beemer was Al Pacino, but compared to Cook, he might as well have been
You can say that again. JC's lack of air time after all the big to-do over his being hired by GH is pretty obvious that Cook's acting isn't what they were expecting nor, unless he's cleaned up his act, are his work habits.

As for why Corday let them go, I don't think there is any big reason for it. I don't think Corday, well thinks, or has any grand plan for the show at all.
Then why was Jason Cook given his choice of two ABC shows? He didn't go to them. I believe they sought him out.
I know they sought him out but he's hardly been used and has no signs of having a storyline that he plays a major part of. I don't see GH splitting up Spinelli and Maxie anytime in the near future and the whole counterfiet drugs storyline seems to have been dropped.

If he was so very sought after, why isn't he being used?
I'm sure Brian Fronz is the one to ask.
I mean seriously. It would be one thing if Jason Cook sought them out. They wanted him. Yes, it's possible the dynamics didn't work, or that GH actually listened to their fans in regards to this, or that Jason Cook and Matt Hunter are not a good fit. I have no idea. I don't watch GH. All i know is.......there were quite a few fans around who were definitely not pleased with Beemer, so I don't even know why this has to be a "who's better" scenario, especially when, well, preferences are subjective. You have the right to prefer Beemer. I have the right to prefer Cook. And Corday had the right to can or let both of them go, as the boss. Who knows why they did it? I'm sure the truth is out there. And now, Beemer can be enjoyed on B&B.
Just out of curiosity, were you only a Beemer Shelle fan or were you also a Cook Shelle fan, or just a Cook/Storms Shelle fan? I know quite a few Shelle fans who got pissed off at Cook because he wouldn't pimp a JC/MM Shelle.
It's immaterial to me. I wanted Shawn to get dumped on a deserted island and have Belle return for Philip. Philip needs a REAL woman in his life, dammit! I'm almost ready to turn to the Phloe side.
What difference does it make who I am a fan of? Does that change the validity of my opinion?

The assumption seems to being made that because Fronz reportedly called Cook that it was Fronz who initiated the calls. It could also have been that Cook, and/or his agent put out the word that Cook wanted to go back to daytime and Fronz took it from there. We will never know the whole story.
No, but it would explain a lot of things. Why can't you just answer the question without being defensive? The whole Shelle issue is very complex, and there are quite a few factions and points of view about it. It was just a simple question. No one said you weren't entitled to your opinion. I like to know where people's opinion's come from, although it's certainly your perogative if you refuse to answer it. It will, however, keep me wondering.
If I could answer it (which I can't with any full understanding, since I didn't watch when Storms was on), I would say I probably would have preferred Cook and Storms based on clips. But, I know that won't hold water with a lot of folks. I think the writing tried to throw a lot of people under the bus for JC and MM, when it really appeared (based on interviews in SOD and on talk shows), that the two really had trouble clicking. I know more than a few Shelle fans who dumped on JC after loving him with KS because it appeared he didn't like working with MM, or at the very least, didn't feel they clicked or that it didn't work. I know more than a few people who jumped on the Beemer bandwagon even when online critics (those who also write for the mags) really criticized his acting, and the writing made Shawn look more like a moron, whereas it appeared to many, JC's Shawn was not as much of a moron as a sanctimonious fool. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't like JC before Shimi. I thought Shawn was a creepy stalker during the Germany storyline. I didn't like FF before Shimi either. Those two just clicked. But, I never liked Beemer. I could tolerate him with Chloe and with Kate. I even enjoyed him in scenes with Philip or Peter Reckell. I just don't think he and MM worked. My opinion, which I have no trouble explaining, even though I know you probably won't agree. Belle came across as nagging and bossy around him during Shelligan's Island, and even with JC, Shawn always seemed like a damned lapdog.
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Corday is the one behind MM and BB's firings. Higley and Scott wanted to do a Shawn/Belle/Philip/Chloe quad, with Philip/Belle and Shawn/Chloe being the couples to come out of it. They both saw more story potential with those couples than with Shawn/Belle and a Philip/Chloe redux. They fought with Corday on this and Corday was the one who made the executive decision to terminate the two. He forced Scott to break the news to Brandon and Martha. This is why there was a sudden shift in the story at the beginning of the year as Shawn forgave Belle and Philip and Chloe started moving towards each other in Ireland.

That being said, I don't miss either of them. Beemer was a horrible recast and had no chemistry with Martha.
Not doubting you, but how do you know for sure that Corday was the one behind it, and that Scott and Dena (who clearly weren't the best of friends lol), wanted the quad to continue.
Because I know someone close to the situation.
Then that begs the question. If Corday was responsible for it, what was his reasoning behind it?
I think we already established that. He wanted to preserve Shelle.

He felt they were being threatened. Phelle was big, Shawn/Chloe was getting big. He got rid of them and I think the plan was to recast with either Storms/Cook or Cook and someone else. Ultimately, he had no choice but to just keep them off the canvas because he couldn't get it the way he wanted.

Martha's firing got such a huge fan response, moreso then RJ or others. In recent years, Days has reversed casting decisions in response to fans yet they don't this time. Sort of weird. I also find it weird that Martha has not been hired and Beemer has. We don't even hear much about Martha being considered for roles. That just puzzles me.
You would be correct. Corday saw them as a package deal and didn't value them as individuals, so he got rid of both of them.

Jason Cook was approached but declined the offer out of respect to Brandon Beemer and because he didn't want to do "Shelle" again without Kirsten - and Kirsten will never reprise the role of Belle, at least as long as Corday is there.
I'm not saying Beemer was Al Pacino, but compared to Cook, he might as well have been
You can say that again. JC's lack of air time after all the big to-do over his being hired by GH is pretty obvious that Cook's acting isn't what they were expecting nor, unless he's cleaned up his act, are his work habits.

As for why Corday let them go, I don't think there is any big reason for it. I don't think Corday, well thinks, or has any grand plan for the show at all.
Then why was Jason Cook given his choice of two ABC shows? He didn't go to them. I believe they sought him out.
I know they sought him out but he's hardly been used and has no signs of having a storyline that he plays a major part of. I don't see GH splitting up Spinelli and Maxie anytime in the near future and the whole counterfiet drugs storyline seems to have been dropped.

If he was so very sought after, why isn't he being used?
I'm sure Brian Fronz is the one to ask.
I mean seriously. It would be one thing if Jason Cook sought them out. They wanted him. Yes, it's possible the dynamics didn't work, or that GH actually listened to their fans in regards to this, or that Jason Cook and Matt Hunter are not a good fit. I have no idea. I don't watch GH. All i know is.......there were quite a few fans around who were definitely not pleased with Beemer, so I don't even know why this has to be a "who's better" scenario, especially when, well, preferences are subjective. You have the right to prefer Beemer. I have the right to prefer Cook. And Corday had the right to can or let both of them go, as the boss. Who knows why they did it? I'm sure the truth is out there. And now, Beemer can be enjoyed on B&B.
Just out of curiosity, were you only a Beemer Shelle fan or were you also a Cook Shelle fan, or just a Cook/Storms Shelle fan? I know quite a few Shelle fans who got pissed off at Cook because he wouldn't pimp a JC/MM Shelle.
It's immaterial to me. I wanted Shawn to get dumped on a deserted island and have Belle return for Philip. Philip needs a REAL woman in his life, dammit! I'm almost ready to turn to the Phloe side.
What difference does it make who I am a fan of? Does that change the validity of my opinion?

The assumption seems to being made that because Fronz reportedly called Cook that it was Fronz who initiated the calls. It could also have been that Cook, and/or his agent put out the word that Cook wanted to go back to daytime and Fronz took it from there. We will never know the whole story.
No, but it would explain a lot of things. Why can't you just answer the question without being defensive? The whole Shelle issue is very complex, and there are quite a few factions and points of view about it. It was just a simple question. No one said you weren't entitled to your opinion. I like to know where people's opinion's come from, although it's certainly your perogative if you refuse to answer it. It will, however, keep me wondering.
If I could answer it (which I can't with any full understanding, since I didn't watch when Storms was on), I would say I probably would have preferred Cook and Storms based on clips. But, I know that won't hold water with a lot of folks. I think the writing tried to throw a lot of people under the bus for JC and MM, when it really appeared (based on interviews in SOD and on talk shows), that the two really had trouble clicking. I know more than a few Shelle fans who dumped on JC after loving him with KS because it appeared he didn't like working with MM, or at the very least, didn't feel they clicked or that it didn't work. I know more than a few people who jumped on the Beemer bandwagon even when online critics (those who also write for the mags) really criticized his acting, and the writing made Shawn look more like a moron, whereas it appeared to many, JC's Shawn was not as much of a moron as a sanctimonious fool. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't like JC before Shimi. I thought Shawn was a creepy stalker during the Germany storyline. I didn't like FF before Shimi either. Those two just clicked. But, I never liked Beemer. I could tolerate him with Chloe and with Kate. I even enjoyed him in scenes with Philip or Peter Reckell. I just don't think he and MM worked. My opinion, which I have no trouble explaining, even though I know you probably won't agree. Belle came across as nagging and bossy around him during Shelligan's Island, and even with JC, Shawn always seemed like a damned lapdog.
Since its so important that you know and I don't want to keep you wondering, I will say its complicated because both Cook and Beemer have good points and bad points. Ultimately I guess I would say that I don't prefer one over the other on the whole.

I thought Cook was terrific until Shawn recovered from his amnesia because at that point he didn't seem to really give a damn anymore. Granted the writing for Shawn, and most others was horrific at that time. Statements made by Cook left me with the impression that he hated the writing for Shawn and Shelle more than he had issues with MM but if you know otherwise, please enlighten me.

Beemer's introduction as Shawn was handled horribly. He came on at a critical time, the reveal of Claire's paternity but then the character was isolated with the Willow storyline and then Shelle on the run, which was lame. I thougth Beemer did his best and at times was very good despite the character not being written consistently.

As for Shimi, I'm glad that Cook and Fath had fun but I didn't. The second Mimi didn't tell Shawn that Claire was his, it was clear that they weren't going anywhere.

Many of your comments confuse me because they are about the writing but you asked about the actors. I can't blame an actor for a storyline but I can form an opinion of their work based on their execution of the work.

I hope that answers your questions.
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"If Sami can't find happiness with a Martian, then she can't find happiness with anyone."

Wish they'd bring back MM as Belle and it would be a dream come true if they could actually get someone like Tom Pelphrey to play Shawn...... :D

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Nov 12 2008, 10:19 PM
Wish they'd bring back MM as Belle and it would be a dream come true if they could actually get someone like Tom Pelphrey to play Shawn...... :D

With Brady back, it's time for Martha Madison to come back as Belle. It would be great to see Belle and Philip together again as they had chemistry. And certainly we need a talented actor to play Shawn. They are the children of Bo, Hope, John, and Marlena, not sure why they aren't around
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The end game should have been Shelle, because it was vital to the long-term foundation of the show. Bo and Hope's son and John and Marlena's daughter together would have set the stage for the next generation of Days.
I think this quote pretty much sums it up. MM had a wonderfull chemistry with JKJ, unfortunatelly Shelle fanbase was too strong to go against and it meant to completely rewrite 7 years of established history between the three. So when Sheffer was fired and Corday had his "letīs please fanbases for a while" mood, he asked Higley to stop it.

But Shelle were married couple with a child, basically another supercouples the show has so much trouble to write for, and portrayed by two people with zero (IMO of course) chemistry together (especially compared with Phelle) so Dena really didnīt know what to do with them.
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GET EM STEPH!!

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Nov 13 2008, 08:47 PM
Rhiannon
Nov 12 2008, 10:19 PM
Wish they'd bring back MM as Belle and it would be a dream come true if they could actually get someone like Tom Pelphrey to play Shawn...... :D

With Brady back, it's time for Martha Madison to come back as Belle. It would be great to see Belle and Philip together again as they had chemistry. And certainly we need a talented actor to play Shawn. They are the children of Bo, Hope, John, and Marlena, not sure why they aren't around
I agree. There has been a hole for awhile but it really became noticeable today with Brady back. Belle is needed badly IMO.
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Nov 13 2008, 08:47 PM
Rhiannon
Nov 12 2008, 10:19 PM
Wish they'd bring back MM as Belle and it would be a dream come true if they could actually get someone like Tom Pelphrey to play Shawn...... :D

With Brady back, it's time for Martha Madison to come back as Belle. It would be great to see Belle and Philip together again as they had chemistry. And certainly we need a talented actor to play Shawn. They are the children of Bo, Hope, John, and Marlena, not sure why they aren't around
I agree. There has been a hole for awhile but it really became noticeable today with Brady back. Belle is needed badly IMO.
I think it will hurt too much to have Belle back. 1) She'll return with Shawn which is major belch to me, LOL and 2) She'll for sure go back to miss perfection which would be a huge step backwards.
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