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NBC, Sony pick up shorter 'Days'; Forecast looking grim for veteran soap
Topic Started: Nov 11 2008, 11:05 PM (6,455 Views)
cjknick
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I think the problem with Days is that they need to write this show smarter. Their audience is not stupid. Sami being pregnant for four months and not realizing it was stupid. Sami having twins by two different father's was stupid too. John having his brain waves and memories put on a disc was super stupid. Lucas put on house arrest and living with the man he attempted to kill was stupid! What is even more stupid is that they bring Stefano back give him a week of good scenes and then he ends up babysitting or not in any storyline! The stupidest thing was this Trent murder mystery - nobody cares who murdered Trent!
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"If Sami can't find happiness with a Martian, then she can't find happiness with anyone."

cjknick
Nov 12 2008, 12:23 PM
I think the problem with Days is that they need to write this show smarter. Their audience is not stupid. Sami being pregnant for four months and not realizing it was stupid. Sami having twins by two different father's was stupid too. John having his brain waves and memories put on a disc was super stupid. Lucas put on house arrest and living with the man he attempted to kill was stupid! What is even more stupid is that they bring Stefano back give him a week of good scenes and then he ends up babysitting or not in any storyline! The stupidest thing was this Trent murder mystery - nobody cares who murdered Trent!
ITA with your entire post!

They could take a lesson from the way Y&R is being written now.........

Watching Days lately is making me feel like I used to when watching Passions, I find myself wondering why I'm actually watching at all.....

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Rhiannon
Nov 12 2008, 12:29 PM
They could take a lesson from the way Y&R is being written now.........



Which is highly ironic considering Hogan is co-HW at Y&R these days.

Whatever they are doing at Days, I sincerely hope it works and the show survives. It's entirely possible that their decisions might mean I stop watching the show, but that's okay too. I said a long time ago that I want the show to go on forever, even if it means going on without me.
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"If Sami can't find happiness with a Martian, then she can't find happiness with anyone."

esp13
Nov 12 2008, 12:42 PM
Rhiannon
Nov 12 2008, 12:29 PM
They could take a lesson from the way Y&R is being written now.........



Which is highly ironic considering Hogan is co-HW at Y&R these days.
Yes it is.....

I think if Hogan had been paired with a competent Co-HW (NOT Higs) that was knowledgeable when it comes to Days history his stint would have worked a lot better......
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Rhiannon
Nov 12 2008, 12:50 PM
esp13
Nov 12 2008, 12:42 PM
Rhiannon
Nov 12 2008, 12:29 PM
They could take a lesson from the way Y&R is being written now.........



Which is highly ironic considering Hogan is co-HW at Y&R these days.
Yes it is.....

I think if Hogan had been paired with a competent Co-HW (NOT Higs) that was knowledgeable when it comes to Days history his stint would have worked a lot better......
I think if HS didn't have Corday interfering things would have turned out very differently. HS commented on more than one occassion that he was not able to tell the stories he wanted in the way he wanted, using the people he wanted.
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:cheer: well at least they're not cancelling the show which is good news. of course they'll have to cut characters from the show which is also good news. get rid of all the annoying characters!!!
Those who should go:
Steve and Kayla
Max, Chelsea, Stephanie, Melanie, Nick
Doctor Dan, Chloe
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"If Sami can't find happiness with a Martian, then she can't find happiness with anyone."

I'd get rid of Tony, Anna, Steve, Kayla, & Max....

It would have been nice if they had been able to create a story for Steve that included him being a PI, and poor Kayla being used as a token Dr and sounding board. It wouldn't make me sad if they took Steph with them on their way out of town. Maybe Kayla could get a job as a COS for a hospital out of town, that would write them off without killing anyone off......

Tony and Anna could travel the world to catch up on all the traveling they missed out on while Tony was MIA......

Max can just leave and at this point I don't care how he's written out, to bad he couldn't be the killer and Max could be carted off to Prison...... :laugh:

Then Nick could be there to make Melanie feel better about having a dead father and a crazy ass brother with a rage problem.....

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I think all of the following will probably be cut:

Stephen Nichols
Mary Beth Evans
Thaao Penghlis
Joe Mascolo
Shawn Christian (although I think he was gone once his contract expired, anyway)
Lauren Koslow
Bryan Dattilo

I also think James Reynolds, Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McCay will go down to recurring.

Watching DAYS get gutted is gonna be so sad.
Edited by Mason, Nov 12 2008, 02:18 PM.
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Days writer's need to learn how to write a true romance - a true romance can be messy but it doesn't have to be ruined by a series of plot ploys and bad writing decisions.
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Mason
Nov 12 2008, 02:14 PM
I think all of the following will probably be cut:

Stephen Nichols
Mary Beth Evans
Thaao Penghlis
Joe Mascolo
Shawn Christian (although I think he was gone once his contract expired, anyway)
Lauren Koslow
Bryan Dattilo

I also think James Reynolds, Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McCay will go down to recurring.

Watching DAYS get gutted is gonna be so sad.
I think that they will keep JM and perhaps Thaao. By making John a DiMera, having Sami have yet another DiMera heir and having Abe become Mayor, thus making Lexie the first lady of Salem - it seems like the DiMera's are going to be THEE Salem family.

I agree that BD and LK may be on the chopping bliock yet again. SN and MBE may also be on their way out. I think they will keep Thaao around and Leanne is already non-contract so I think they will be used as supporting characters. I just get this feeling that they will keep SC around and Dr. Dan could get involved with Chloe down the road.
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cjknick
Nov 12 2008, 02:42 PM
Mason
Nov 12 2008, 02:14 PM
I think all of the following will probably be cut:

Stephen Nichols
Mary Beth Evans
Thaao Penghlis
Joe Mascolo
Shawn Christian (although I think he was gone once his contract expired, anyway)
Lauren Koslow
Bryan Dattilo

I also think James Reynolds, Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McCay will go down to recurring.

Watching DAYS get gutted is gonna be so sad.
I think that they will keep JM and perhaps Thaao. By making John a DiMera, having Sami have yet another DiMera heir and having Abe become Mayor, thus making Lexie the first lady of Salem - it seems like the DiMera's are going to be THEE Salem family.

I agree that BD and LK may be on the chopping bliock yet again. SN and MBE may also be on their way out. I think they will keep Thaao around and Leanne is already non-contract so I think they will be used as supporting characters. I just get this feeling that they will keep SC around and Dr. Dan could get involved with Chloe down the road.
I am thinking that JKJ will be gone too. There are too many men in that age group even if BD goes.
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FanODays
Nov 12 2008, 02:50 PM
cjknick
Nov 12 2008, 02:42 PM
Mason
Nov 12 2008, 02:14 PM
I think all of the following will probably be cut:

Stephen Nichols
Mary Beth Evans
Thaao Penghlis
Joe Mascolo
Shawn Christian (although I think he was gone once his contract expired, anyway)
Lauren Koslow
Bryan Dattilo

I also think James Reynolds, Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McCay will go down to recurring.

Watching DAYS get gutted is gonna be so sad.
I think that they will keep JM and perhaps Thaao. By making John a DiMera, having Sami have yet another DiMera heir and having Abe become Mayor, thus making Lexie the first lady of Salem - it seems like the DiMera's are going to be THEE Salem family.

I agree that BD and LK may be on the chopping bliock yet again. SN and MBE may also be on their way out. I think they will keep Thaao around and Leanne is already non-contract so I think they will be used as supporting characters. I just get this feeling that they will keep SC around and Dr. Dan could get involved with Chloe down the road.
I am thinking that JKJ will be gone too. There are too many men in that age group even if BD goes.
Iīm pretty sure JKJ is save. Thatīs probably the main reason why they put him with Steph and the ex-sorority gang. Chloe doesnīt have any strong ties in Salem and can be let go anytime so it doesnīt make sense to invest in Phloe. Phillip/Steph can have a real longterm serious romance maybe even with the happy wedding ending and there is a lot of potential conflicts between the families.
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esp13
Nov 12 2008, 11:28 AM
I believe that things could change (could, not would) with a different writer because I think a different writer could provide a lot of depth that is missing right now. You see, it's not really about "who" is being utilized right now, it's about how badly I feel the stories are written. Motivations are missing or are badly established. Stories are changed midstream multiple times so that the stuff at the beginning no longer matches the stuff at the end. There is very little depth to the characters anymore, in my opinion. To me, those things are not dictated by demographics, they are solely a function of the writing and yeah, I believe somebody could do better. But, like everything else, that's a matter of opinion as well.
and that is why the show's problem, right there in a nut shell....it is impossible to create drama if the characters don't have enough personality and none of these characters have that for me. The writers are providing next to nothing for the newer characters that they don't turn right around and destroy, (which tends to make me leary of investing in them) and they're trashing or ignoring the personalities of established characters all in the name of having everyone doing something, (well, not everyone lol)...why any character is reacting as they do and how they react doesn't seem to matter to the writers as long as they keep everyone in motion.
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Nov 12 2008, 02:40 AM
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Nov 12 2008, 02:31 AM
I'm sorry but with all due respect to Erika Slezak (I'm a fan of her's), I'm sick of that quote being tossed out there. I think even Higley herself knows she doesn't know OLTL but she does know Days. She worked at Days for years and alot of those "events" were forced on her by Frons so I think alot of that article is unfair.

Slezak was fine with Higley until she got no airtime so I can't even believe she said that with the good of the show in mind. Not saying Higley is the best writer but quality doesn't equal ratings. That doesn't mean you lower your standards but just look at the numbers and the demos, which are what keeps these shows on air. OLTL gets rid of Higley and their numbers are worse. Y&R gets rid of LML and their numbers are worse. Days does better with Higley in the past few weeks when very little is going on and no vets are active except Bo and Hope in supporting roles and what happens? Days is up in every category and demos are the highest they have been in months.

We all think we know what is best, myself included, but we have no idea what the audience that counts in the numbers want. I would even say most of them don't even pay attention to half the stuff we all do (history, airtime, etc). It's all about the story and the show being interesting and it's subjective. What one group hates, another may like. It's fascinating in a way. I mean, if you read message boards, one would think Days was the last place soap with so much negative response yet it's doing better then it was when message boards featured much happier fans.
Regarding Dena "not knowing" OLTL, my opinion on that is if someone takes a head writer job, it is that person's responsibility to become knowledgeable enough about the show to do his/her job. Did Ed Scott know Days? Probably not that well, but he did a stellar job. I think the fact that Dena couldn't write for a show she didn't know just furthers the argument that she's an incompetent writer.

And about the ratings, Days is "up" to what now, a 2.0? I don't count that as a success, despite what the NBC press releases say.
Totally. Hogan Sheffer didnt know As the World Turns when he came on. Yet did his homework, and found two families from the past and brought them back into the front burner. It'd have been nice to have seen what he could have actually done with Days if Corday haddnt interfered so much.
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Nov 12 2008, 11:14 AM
I agree, jane. I don't think the show is boring. I think it's just filled with characters the majority of fans don't care about.
That's not the only problem with the show, for me personally.

The canvas lacks, the writing lacks. Hell, even the production values are stale and uninspired. The show is boring, even visually.

Everything about it just screams "meh" to me. It's unfortunate.
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Kenny
Nov 12 2008, 10:48 PM
King
Nov 12 2008, 11:14 AM
I agree, jane. I don't think the show is boring. I think it's just filled with characters the majority of fans don't care about.
That's not the only problem with the show, for me personally.

The canvas lacks, the writing lacks. Hell, even the production values are stale and uninspired. The show is boring, even visually.

Everything about it just screams "meh" to me. It's unfortunate.
I'm of the opinion is that it's all about the writing, the other stuff doesn't matter. I'm watching OLTL right now and there is nothing special about the production values or the direction, but right now, months of story are finally climaxing, and I'm watching, waiting for the next confrontation to take place.

What would it take to get DAYS there again?
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Nov 13 2008, 02:16 PM
What would it take to get DAYS there again?
At this point, I want DAYS to just go apeshit, batshit, James Lipton crazy on these characters. There's nothing left to lose anyway.

Make Bo an Ennis Delmar-type. John a secret Russian spy. Marlena an amateur porn star. Nicole, a respected Senator. Sami, leaving her family and friend behind to join the Aryan Nations. Nick, taking the stalking a step further and stalking Melanie, Chelsea, and Stephanie by writing, "You're MY girl!"
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All kidding aside, DAYS has just played it safe for too long. They've tried the whole "character development" route under Sheffer and Corday hated it. And the "event planner" not only writes cute, boring, character developing drama, but she drags it out SO EFFING LONG.

I want crazy characters, soft ingenues, bad boys, villians, vixens. I don't want DAYS to return to the gothic intrigue it had under Jimmy Reilly I. But things just need to happen.

That's not the only problem with the show, for me personally.

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The canvas lacks, the writing lacks. Hell, even the production values are stale and uninspired. The show is boring, even visually.

Everything about it just screams "meh" to me. It's unfortunate.


I know what you mean, Kenny. When I first started watching DAYS, the lighting was so dark and dramatic and beautiful. It was like everything was lit in just the right places. And the sets were bright, but still had the gothic undertones. It makes me mad everytime I see the way they've effed up the DiMera mansion. The update just looks so wrong. It looks like Grandmothers House. Not the home of a rich, evil villain.
Edited by bellcurve, Nov 13 2008, 03:11 PM.
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Nov 13 2008, 02:37 PM
goldylicious
Nov 13 2008, 02:16 PM
What would it take to get DAYS there again?
At this point, I want DAYS to just go apeshit, batshit, James Lipton crazy on these characters. There's nothing left to lose anyway.

Make Bo an Ennis Delmar-type. John a secret Russian spy. Marlena an amateur porn star. Nicole, a respected Senator. Sami, leaving her family and friend behind to join the Aryan Nations. Nick, taking the stalking a step further and stalking Melanie, Chelsea, and Stephanie by writing, "You're MY girl!"
---
All kidding aside, DAYS has just played it safe for too long. They've tried the whole "character development" route under Sheffer and Corday hated it. And the "event planner" not only writes cute, boring, character developing drama, but she drags it out SO EFFING LONG.

I want crazy characters, soft ingenues, bad boys, villians, vixens. I don't want DAYS to return to the gothic intrigue it had under Jimmy Reilly I. But things just need to happen.
I think you are right, it's time to just "go there," and get the show some sort of notice again. The one thing that I have liked about Higley, is she has tried new stories, new couples, and it hasn't been the "same ol, same ol." However, nothing much happens, there really isn't a reason to watch, and yet DAYS
is still the one show that I think can get viewers back with some shock value. Three stories in the last 15 years have often been referred to, as to what brought them to the show: "Buried Alive, the Possession, and the Salem Serial Killer." What kind of story could bring new viewers to the show, because I think the days of getting old viewers back are long gone.
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I think you are right, it's time to just "go there," and get the show some sort of notice again. The one thing that I have liked about Higley, is she has tried new stories, new couples, and it hasn't been the "same ol, same ol." However, nothing much happens, there really isn't a reason to watch, and yet DAYS
is still the one show that I think can get viewers back with some shock value. Three stories in the last 15 years have often been referred to, as to what brought them to the show: "Buried Alive, the Possession, and the Salem Serial Killer." What kind of story could bring new viewers to the show, because I think the days of getting old viewers back are long gone.
I'd love it if DAYS did a really compelling, realistic story for a change, but in some sort of fun umbrella event that affects the entire cast. Nothing that warrants a major PSA or for the story to be written in a PSA style manner, but I think part of the problem with the show is that no one takes it seriously anymore because, one the ratings take a slight dip, they panic and undo the work of the previous story.

The show's biggest mistake was bringing all those people back from the dead in 2004 instead of killing them off permanently. I think everything(including Alice Horton's murder) was setting the show up for a major revamp and update, which would have pissed off the old guard, but would have kept the 18-49 they covet(much in the same way Marlena's Possession did in 1995).

If they do an attention grabber, Corday needs to stand behind his HW and EP and let them chart the course, no matter what. Tomlin and Whitesell are the kind of duo that can bring attention to a show. They're stunt driven, youth-oriented camp freaks, but they understand that kind of show and are loyal to the viewers that stick with them(and I love them for their efforts).

DAYS needs that kind of energy again. The fans need to feel like they can invest in a story without being told "gotcha" again. It's tedious.
Edited by bellcurve, Nov 13 2008, 03:29 PM.
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Nov 13 2008, 03:23 PM
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I think you are right, it's time to just "go there," and get the show some sort of notice again. The one thing that I have liked about Higley, is she has tried new stories, new couples, and it hasn't been the "same ol, same ol." However, nothing much happens, there really isn't a reason to watch, and yet DAYS
is still the one show that I think can get viewers back with some shock value. Three stories in the last 15 years have often been referred to, as to what brought them to the show: "Buried Alive, the Possession, and the Salem Serial Killer." What kind of story could bring new viewers to the show, because I think the days of getting old viewers back are long gone.
I'd love it if DAYS did a really compelling, realistic story for a change, but in an event. Nothing that warrants a major PSA or for the story to be written in a PSA style manner, but I think part of the problem with the show is that no one takes it seriously anymore because, one the ratings take a slight dip, they panic and undo the work of the previous story.

The show's biggest mistake was bringing all those people back from the dead in 2004 instead of killing them off permanently. I think everything(including Alice Horton's murder) was setting the show up for a major revamp and update, which would have pissed off the old guard, but would have kept the 18-49 they covet(much in the same way Marlena's Possession did in 1995).

If they do an attention grabber, Corday needs to stand behind his HW and EP and let them chart the course, no matter what. Tomlin and Whitesell are the kind of duo that can bring attention to a show. They're stunt driven, youth-oriented camp freaks, but they understand that kind of show and are loyal to the viewers that stick with them(and I love them for their efforts).

DAYS needs that kind of energy again. The fans need to feel like they can invest in a story without being told "gotcha" again. It's tedious.
I totally agree that the serial killer story went south as soon as the "dead" became "undead." The show fell apart as soon as they all appeared alive. What a compelling story if Marlena truly had snapped and killed all of those people. With the life she has, I would have snapped as well lol
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