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DAYS:BTS & Spoiler pics
Topic Started: Nov 11 2008, 11:13 PM (2,183 Views)
PhoenixRising05
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GET EM STEPH!!

Kenny
Nov 12 2008, 01:08 AM
PhoenixRising05
Nov 12 2008, 12:49 AM
Well, get used to it
LoL! I won't be getting used to it because I won't be watching.

This isn't the show that I used to know and love. Just because it has the same name doesn't mean I'm obligated to enjoy or even watch the kind of shit that is churned out today. I watch Days for John, Marlena, Bo, Hope, Stefano... you know... the ones that the fans care about. When I'm not getting them, and the ones who've replaced them are in crap stories, then what is there to tune in for or get used to?

Imagine if Desperate Housewives just got rid of Susan, Lynette, Gabi and Bree and replaced them with a bunch of cheaper, younger newbies. The show might still have the same title, but it certainly wouldn't be the Desperate Housewives that people want to see. There comes a point where if you can't afford the lead players, a decision has to be made. You can either throw away the money players and replace them with cheap fluff, thereby completely ruining the show's identity... or you can call it a day and let the show to out with its heart still intact.

It makes me sad to see what the show has become. I mean, I understand that soap operas grow and evolve, but it takes a certain degree of talent and vision to do that successfully. Unfortunately for fans, we haven't had a single writer in the last ten years who's been able to reinvent the show in a positive way that sticks. Dena Higley certainly isn't capable of it.

Salem feels like a virtual ghost town to me. Literally. There's nobody around that I care about anymore, and the ones who are around are either unrecognizable or reduced to petty procedural dialogue. Even the extras are gone! Have you noticed that? I would love to have a big fancy party where all of Salem attends and the place feels like a community again. This doesn't feel like the same show... the same Salem. I tuned in and was addicted to the dramatic gothic tone that it had under JER's pen, and now it's like a lame MTV soap opera, LoL. It used to be filet mignon, and now it's SPAM. No amount of loyalty or memories of better stories can get me to stick around and watch my favorite show continue to be written into the ground.

I'm just so disappointed and saddened to see how far this show has fallen... and I won't get used to it. I'm either going to get the show that I know and love, or I won't be watching.
I understand, Kenny, and I feel sad for you but some do say sometimes you outgrow a show or grow beyond it. Shows change and evolve and maybe it's just not for you anymore. I hope you don't take that the wrong way but it just seems like you want what Days used to be and no matter who writes it will never be that. I long for my younger years too and for so many things to be how they were but that can't be. Life goes on. Changes happen. It's sad but it's natural. Days is going through that right now and I feel it's reaching a point where some fans are going to be left behind because it's becoming something they may not want. That's fine. People are entitled and I respect that. I just think that expecting the show to be what it was is asking too much. No show will be what it was again. I wish we could recapture the old magic for so many soaps but I gave up that dream long ago.

I guess it just depends on how you feel. I'm ok with the show evolving into something new but some want what they've come to expect . They want the familiar and would rather see a show go out like that. I can't argue that and I can sympathize, even if I'm not one of those people.

I just hope you get what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be condescending or trying to make you or anyone else do something you don't want to do. Your post just brought this stuff up for me so I felt I would mention it.
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PhoenixRising05
Nov 12 2008, 03:20 AM
I understand, Kenny, and I feel sad for you but some do say sometimes you outgrow a show or grow beyond it.
LoL, you amaze me.

So it's my fault? I simply outgrew the show? It's as great as it ever was... I'm just not the same kind of viewer anymore?

I don't buy it! Sorry!

It's not that I want Days to be what it once was. I've loved Days through many "eras." I've loved it gothic... I've loved it campy... I've loved it serious. As long as the writing is there, I'll watch. It doesn't have to "be" anything but watchable... and at least somewhat recognizable. The problem is, it hasn't been watchable or recognizable to me for some time now. It wasn't even this bad back during the Salem High days!

It'll always have a special place in my heart though.
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GET EM STEPH!!

Kenny
Nov 12 2008, 03:24 AM
PhoenixRising05
Nov 12 2008, 03:20 AM
I understand, Kenny, and I feel sad for you but some do say sometimes you outgrow a show or grow beyond it.
LoL, you amaze me.

So it's my fault? I simply outgrew the show? It's as great as it ever was... I'm just not the same kind of viewer anymore?

I don't buy it! Sorry!

It's not that I want Days to be what it once was. I've loved Days through many "eras." I've loved it gothic... I've loved it campy... I've loved it serious. As long as the writing is there, I'll watch. It doesn't have to "be" anything but watchable... and at least somewhat recognizable. The problem is, it hasn't been watchable or recognizable to me for some time now. It wasn't even this bad back during the Salem High days!

It'll always have a special place in my heart though.
Oh, no.

See, I knew you would take this the wrong way. It's not your fault at all.

I was merely pointing out it does happen. That's all. I wasn't even sure it was happening with you. Your post just reminded me of all that.

I see what your saying. I still think it's recognizable but, again, we have differing perceptions.
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I'm not disagreeing the show has undergone major change, but here's food were thought: All the vet characters mentioned were new at one point too. Why is it fans back then were able to accept them, as opposed to now where newbies are practically ostracized the second they're on our screens?

This isn't true for every new character - obviously Chelsea has done a complete 180 and now the person I could consider the "star" of the younger set. Otherwise, is it too much too soon (a la Melanie)?
Edited by cassie1013, Nov 12 2008, 05:46 AM.
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Tripp
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So SF was brought on for John's story?

And out of 41 pictures there isn't one picture of Blake/Nick. *worried*
Edited by Tripp, Nov 12 2008, 07:34 AM.
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Thanks for posting these!!!

Not sure if any of them make me want to watch upcoming scenes.............this has to be one of the worst November sweeps I can remember.

It's nice seeing the BTS stuff anyway!!
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Thanks, Angie. Bo and Hope kissing? Wonder who the Renaissance Lady was looking at them. (NEver mind, I just saw the answer)
And, yes, Chloe is starting to grow on me. I love the sweetheart supportive writing they've been doing for her so far.
Ahhhhh, Bryan's tat.
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Kenny - I understand what you are saying.
I was the biggest fan of 90210 back in the day, saw every episode, and even toward the end when it was getting past its prime, I was still there. Now this new show is back, with all of these new characters, and it is so NOT the same. They dress trashy, talk trashy, and I remember thinking that of the original, but it wasn't trashy like it is today. I guess the writing is there, but it isn't the same.
Sometimes you just can't capture what you once had no matter if Kelly or Brenda are back. They just aren't the same, and it isn't thier fault, they just got older and had to pass the torch. They can't go back. And I just can't watch it.

Days isn't quite there for me yet. I admit that the only vets I still can tolerate without feeling sorry for them are Jarlena and 2% of the time, Bope, I do like Nicole, EJ, Phillip, etc. So I care about a few of the characters, and even though some of them are acting out of character, I am not ready to give up yet.

I remember the days of yore and the adventures, but I recognize that it won't be like that again, and with the news of cancellation, I plan to stick it out to the end just to milk my soaps.

Thanks for the BTS, guys! I love those kinds of things!
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Kenny
Nov 12 2008, 03:24 AM
It's not that I want Days to be what it once was. I've loved Days through many "eras." I've loved it gothic... I've loved it campy... I've loved it serious. As long as the writing is there, I'll watch. It doesn't have to "be" anything but watchable... and at least somewhat recognizable. The problem is, it hasn't been watchable or recognizable to me for some time now. It wasn't even this bad back during the Salem High days!
I think the episodes in 2001 (Salem high days as you call it) were amazing compared to the shit we're getting now. That's why I don't agree with those that say Langan was worse then Higley.
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cassie1013
Nov 12 2008, 05:45 AM
I'm not disagreeing the show has undergone major change, but here's food were thought: All the vet characters mentioned were new at one point too. Why is it fans back then were able to accept them, as opposed to now where newbies are practically ostracized the second they're on our screens?

This isn't true for every new character - obviously Chelsea has done a complete 180 and now the person I could consider the "star" of the younger set. Otherwise, is it too much too soon (a la Melanie)?
This is worth discussing. Soaps are in a constant state of change as stories are told, characters, actors leave, die, whatever. I'm thinking back to when Bope were introduced with KA and PR. Hope Williams was already a character on the show but the Bradys were still relatively new. However the popularity of Roman Brady gave Bo and excellent connection. Also there was balance with other stories and characters. Time was taken with the newbies to make us fall in love with them before they became leads.

I don't buy that I have outgrown the show not when I've been a viewer just about since the beginning. I've lasted through good times and not so good times but I hung in there. Lately though that has changed because I don't care about most of the character and because Days has strayed away from why I loved them for so long. Love, romance, family and adventure was what kept me drawn to the show now I don't know what its about. For a while it seemed that Days was becoming GH-lite but now I haven't a clue as to what its about.
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I love Nicole with that baby bump. It wears her so well :) But I feel awful when I watch these photos, 'cause I know, that she is gonna lose her little Miracle >;(

That is really crap!
Edited by EJole, Nov 12 2008, 10:55 AM.
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Mitchapalooza
Nov 12 2008, 02:35 AM
Aww I love it...Chloe out near the trash..where she belongs!
Umm...ok. And what do you think Nicole is? She's done porn. She's a gold digger. And she's been with a lot more men than Chloe.
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Nov 12 2008, 10:55 AM
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Nov 12 2008, 05:45 AM
I'm not disagreeing the show has undergone major change, but here's food were thought: All the vet characters mentioned were new at one point too. Why is it fans back then were able to accept them, as opposed to now where newbies are practically ostracized the second they're on our screens?

This isn't true for every new character - obviously Chelsea has done a complete 180 and now the person I could consider the "star" of the younger set. Otherwise, is it too much too soon (a la Melanie)?
This is worth discussing. Soaps are in a constant state of change as stories are told, characters, actors leave, die, whatever. I'm thinking back to when Bope were introduced with KA and PR. Hope Williams was already a character on the show but the Bradys were still relatively new. However the popularity of Roman Brady gave Bo and excellent connection. Also there was balance with other stories and characters. Time was taken with the newbies to make us fall in love with them before they became leads.

I don't buy that I have outgrown the show not when I've been a viewer just about since the beginning. I've lasted through good times and not so good times but I hung in there. Lately though that has changed because I don't care about most of the character and because Days has strayed away from why I loved them for so long. Love, romance, family and adventure was what kept me drawn to the show now I don't know what its about. For a while it seemed that Days was becoming GH-lite but now I haven't a clue as to what its about.
I started watching around the time Bope, Roman, etc came on and they did not weave them in gradually. Not at all. The way vets like Maggie, Mickey, Doug, Julie, etc were tossed aside for the new generation was awful, just as bad as many fans feel right now was how others felt then. Only difference is the show banked on new fans replacing those that left and fans were more open to things then. Why? Because things were fresher story-wise. Plus, more women were home so the ratings weren't going to plummet. The show knew that. It made it easier to take the risk. I'm not saying the show should repeat the same mistake but I don't even think it matters if it does. The ratings won't change that much regardless of who is on so you may as well focus on the characters who are easier to write for and who have more that can be done with them.

My observation about people outgrowing shows was just in general. Doesn't mean I pointed at anyone here. I don't think people would know if that was the case anyway. Again, not saying that has happened to anyone but it's something you kind of have to examine and reflect on.
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PhoenixRising05
Nov 12 2008, 11:13 AM
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Nov 12 2008, 10:55 AM
cassie1013
Nov 12 2008, 05:45 AM
I'm not disagreeing the show has undergone major change, but here's food were thought: All the vet characters mentioned were new at one point too. Why is it fans back then were able to accept them, as opposed to now where newbies are practically ostracized the second they're on our screens?

This isn't true for every new character - obviously Chelsea has done a complete 180 and now the person I could consider the "star" of the younger set. Otherwise, is it too much too soon (a la Melanie)?
This is worth discussing. Soaps are in a constant state of change as stories are told, characters, actors leave, die, whatever. I'm thinking back to when Bope were introduced with KA and PR. Hope Williams was already a character on the show but the Bradys were still relatively new. However the popularity of Roman Brady gave Bo and excellent connection. Also there was balance with other stories and characters. Time was taken with the newbies to make us fall in love with them before they became leads.

I don't buy that I have outgrown the show not when I've been a viewer just about since the beginning. I've lasted through good times and not so good times but I hung in there. Lately though that has changed because I don't care about most of the character and because Days has strayed away from why I loved them for so long. Love, romance, family and adventure was what kept me drawn to the show now I don't know what its about. For a while it seemed that Days was becoming GH-lite but now I haven't a clue as to what its about.
I started watching around the time Bope, Roman, etc came on and they did not weave them in gradually. Not at all. The way vets like Maggie, Mickey, Doug, Julie, etc were tossed aside for the new generation was awful, just as bad as many fans feel right now was how others felt then. Only difference is the show banked on new fans replacing those that left and fans were more open to things then. Why? Because things were fresher story-wise. Plus, more women were home so the ratings weren't going to plummet. The show knew that. It made it easier to take the risk. I'm not saying the show should repeat the same mistake but I don't even think it matters if it does. The ratings won't change that much regardless of who is on so you may as well focus on the characters who are easier to write for and who have more that can be done with them.

My observation about people outgrowing shows was just in general. Doesn't mean I pointed at anyone here. I don't think people would know if that was the case anyway. Again, not saying that has happened to anyone but it's something you kind of have to examine and reflect on.
I disagree on many levels. First, I am beyond tired of the increase in women working out of the home being blamed for the decline of shows which you are doing in reverse. We now have recording devices so being home when the show airs is irrelevant.

Maybe there was a freshness to the show that writers seem incapable of finding (and yes I believe there are new stories to be told just go read some fanfics for hints) but I don't remember being as angry as you claim I was. Yes Mickey and Maggie took a backseat to Pete and Melissa and Doug and Julie to Bope but the show was still about family, love, romance and adventure. Maybe that was the reason I didn't mind the shift in focus. However when I'm not seeing J&M so that I can see Max and his nieces, Sami and her parade of men including her rapist, I lose interest.
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Nov 12 2008, 11:11 AM
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Nov 12 2008, 02:35 AM
Aww I love it...Chloe out near the trash..where she belongs!
Umm...ok. And what do you think Nicole is? She's done porn. She's a gold digger. And she's been with a lot more men than Chloe.
So Nicole is trashy because her father drugged and forced her to do porn?
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Nov 12 2008, 07:32 AM
So SF was brought on for John's story?

And out of 41 pictures there isn't one picture of Blake/Nick. *worried*
I think all the photos are from the same shooting day, so he probably just wasn´t on that day.

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Great Photo's thanks for posting them!

What was up with Chloe and Lucas making out and then her feeling up Phil
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Nov 12 2008, 09:50 AM
Kenny - I understand what you are saying.
I was the biggest fan of 90210 back in the day, saw every episode, and even toward the end when it was getting past its prime, I was still there. Now this new show is back, with all of these new characters, and it is so NOT the same.
Perfect example!

It might be called 90210, but it's not not 90210. Same goes for Days. The show might have a familiar name, but I don't recognize anything about it anymore.

I understand that shows grow and evolve, and that's fine. I welcome it. I welcome fresh faces, fresh stories and new directions. However, it takes a team with real talent to pull that off successfully. Dena Higley doesn't have the talent, and her version of Days is the worst I've ever seen. Ever.
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Nov 12 2008, 10:17 AM
I think the episodes in 2001 (Salem high days as you call it) were amazing compared to the shit we're getting now. That's why I don't agree with those that say Langan was worse then Higley.
Aspects of Langan (Garden of Eden) are worse than Higley. But overall, in general, the show felt more cohesive under him than it does under Higley.

They both suck though.
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Kenny
Nov 12 2008, 10:42 PM


It might be called 90210, but it's not not 90210. Same goes for Days. The show might have a familiar name, but I don't recognize anything about it anymore.
Feeling like jumping in on this conversation. I gave up the new 90210 when I caught a line a few episodes back and it made me realize 100% why I couldn't get into the show.

Both Rob Estes and Lori Loughlin made a joke that referenced Dirty Dancing. Both of the kids looked at them like they were insane. That's when I realized I related more to the parents (not being a parent it shocked me) and I wanted to watch the adults then the students. The original series it was the opposite.
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