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Updated Suds Report —CONFIRMED JARLENA OUT!; TVGC
Topic Started: Nov 14 2008, 01:35 PM (12,247 Views)
Kyrai
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Ellie
Nov 18 2008, 07:20 AM
Beautiful post, Kyrai. I think you should send that to the magazines (and certainly the show).

You know what I just dug up - I'd saved this blog post, because of the collection of "Plan to Save Days" covers. Notice anything in common among the covers?? (And there are a few others not on here.) Wonder what the 'Plan to Save Days' is now.

http://snarkweighsin.blog-city.com/savingdaysagain.htm
Thanks for the link. That blog makes me laugh and cry. It's so sad that someone like this inherited his parents dream and trashed it. I love Sloane's comments, lol.

I will send in my comments. I'm sure tptb won't care, but I think it will help me feel better.
Edited by Kyrai, Nov 18 2008, 07:17 PM.
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Ellie
Nov 18 2008, 03:27 PM
Kenny
Nov 18 2008, 03:23 PM
Wow! This even made it to Perez Hilton?
It's also in the New York Post. Deidre and Drake are definitely known outside the soap world, Deidre especially. I think if you stop any random person on the street and ask "Who's the star of Days of Our Lives?", they'd say "Deidre Hall", even if they've never watched an episode.
Corday must be loving this. Talk about free publicity.
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It's now been 2 days since I found out that Deidre and Drake have been FIRED from Days of our Lives and I am still so livid about this. This viewer is also OUT as soon as Deidre and Drake are off the air! SUCKS TO BE YOU KEN CORDAY, YOU JUST KILLED YOUR PARENTS SHOW!! THANKS FOR F***IN NOTHING!!!
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I'm quite disappointed with this move. John & Marlena have been with DAYS since before I even started watching. I'm not entirely shocked though. John has vanished before, Moreover, I really don't see this altering my thoughts much on the show ... John & Marlena have been off and on for so long now. This is really not gonna THAT noticeable to me anyways.
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I am still in shock about this. I know they haven't been on a lot lately, but I really didn't think that Corday would go as far as to fire them. I guess he is dumber than any of us though. I still feel like this is a bad dream and I am just going to wake up...but alas it is not and Drake and Deidre are really gone. Well...their last day of "DAYS" is my last day as well. I wish them luck in finding other projects. They both deserve better.

Especially Deidre...she is the face of DAYS. I don't fully understand them letting her go. She should have been the last on the list...not the first. But, the podcast about her/their firing on daytimeconfidential.com says everything I am feeling.
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I was simply mad when I heard that they were fired but to hear that Deidre is hurt is much worse and I simply feel heartsick.
While this is entertainment, she has always said she would like to work for Days until it ends. I think she would have taken a significant pay cut if asked just to stay with the show until the end. They just did not even make the offer and turned her out like some disposable trash.

They deserve the 1.6's coming to them.
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e83talus
Nov 18 2008, 10:44 PM
They deserve the 1.6's coming to them.
If they're lucky.

I'm not just saying that. I've read many posts today, on various boards, where people are saying that they just don't feel like watching anymore. And this is not only known "Marlena fans". I think this is just the beginning. The show has no idea of how many viewers Deidre brings in. (I'm not talking about a week-to-week ratings increase or decrease when Marlena's on. I'm talking about viewers in general who stick with the show just because she's there.)
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While I doubt it will affect the numbers,

I can't see this sticking. Not anymore. The negative press is just too much for someone like Corday. He can't take it. He never can and he's reversed his decision in regards to people who have gotten less attention.

I know the financial situation but I give him two months. He will crack. He always does.
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Nov 18 2008, 11:46 PM
I can't see this sticking. Not anymore. The negative press is just too much for someone like Corday. He can't take it. He never can and he's reversed his decision in regards to people who have gotten less attention.

I know the financial situation but I give him two months. He will crack. He always does.
Too little, too late. The damage is already done, IMO. It's already receiving all this bad press, and bringing them back won't receive nearly as much attention to woo people back who feel slapped in the face.
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Kenny
Nov 19 2008, 12:31 AM
PhoenixRising05
Nov 18 2008, 11:46 PM
I can't see this sticking. Not anymore. The negative press is just too much for someone like Corday. He can't take it. He never can and he's reversed his decision in regards to people who have gotten less attention.

I know the financial situation but I give him two months. He will crack. He always does.
Too little, too late. The damage is already done, IMO. It's already receiving all this bad press, and bringing them back won't receive nearly as much attention to woo people back who feel slapped in the face.
I agree. Even if Corday announced tomorrow that he's un-fired Deidre, most people would still feel as they do now: jerked around, betrayed and no longer willing to put up with Corday's games. I know I would. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me too many more times, I'm done.
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Kenny
Nov 19 2008, 12:31 AM
PhoenixRising05
Nov 18 2008, 11:46 PM
I can't see this sticking. Not anymore. The negative press is just too much for someone like Corday. He can't take it. He never can and he's reversed his decision in regards to people who have gotten less attention.

I know the financial situation but I give him two months. He will crack. He always does.
Too little, too late. The damage is already done, IMO. It's already receiving all this bad press, and bringing them back won't receive nearly as much attention to woo people back who feel slapped in the face.
Your probably right. I don't see it affecting the numbers either way but that isn't all that matters either. Bad word of mouth isn't much better.

I'm just saying I don't buy him sticking to this. It's not in him to do so.
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Nov 19 2008, 12:36 AM
Kenny
Nov 19 2008, 12:31 AM
PhoenixRising05
Nov 18 2008, 11:46 PM
I can't see this sticking. Not anymore. The negative press is just too much for someone like Corday. He can't take it. He never can and he's reversed his decision in regards to people who have gotten less attention.

I know the financial situation but I give him two months. He will crack. He always does.
Too little, too late. The damage is already done, IMO. It's already receiving all this bad press, and bringing them back won't receive nearly as much attention to woo people back who feel slapped in the face.
I agree. Even if Corday announced tomorrow that he's un-fired Deidre, most people would still feel as they do now: jerked around, betrayed and no longer willing to put up with Corday's games. I know I would. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me too many more times, I'm done.
I agree Mason. I know in Jan/Feb there were fans I hadn't see post in well over a year, back and excited, only to fade away as promoted scenes were cut, story lines that were set up dropped or left stagnant. This may not have been indicituve of the general fans who are measured for ratings, but it's what happened. And yes, I was talking about J&M fans, but there seemed to be buzz for Belle/Shawn/Chloe/Philip.... they finally had the right actors in place and look what happened. TPTB continue to make one mistake after another. People get tired of being disappointed and just laugh now when there is one more 'Plan to Save Days'. The last 'Plan to Save Days' Ken Corday stated that he made a mistake and was bringing back J&M and B&H in new frontburner stories. They sat around for 6 months reading letters. That about says it all.
Edited by hops, Nov 19 2008, 08:13 AM.
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Ellie
Nov 18 2008, 11:32 PM
e83talus
Nov 18 2008, 10:44 PM
They deserve the 1.6's coming to them.
If they're lucky.

I'm not just saying that. I've read many posts today, on various boards, where people are saying that they just don't feel like watching anymore. And this is not only known "Marlena fans". I think this is just the beginning. The show has no idea of how many viewers Deidre brings in. (I'm not talking about a week-to-week ratings increase or decrease when Marlena's on. I'm talking about viewers in general who stick with the show just because she's there.)
I´m willing to bet there will be no impact on ratings. The only thing what will change will be number of people who aren´t watching the show but complains on the boards all the time. Do you really think the people who are watching the show now are J/M fans? Why they would watch? J/M aren´t even "D" story of the show at the moment, they are not leading any storyline, most of current non online watchers will not even notice they are gone.

J/M are exactly in the same position J/J were few years ago. Most of people knew when Jack returns from the dead and reunites with Jennifer that will be the end. And most of people knows when John regains his memory and reunites with Marlena that will be the end too. Yes, it would be nice if they could stick around but let´s not pretend there is some mega important story with them which still has to be told. There isn´t. I even think many people will feel relieved if there will be no more brainwashing, no more amnesias and no more forgotten husbands/wifes from past which are all just plot devices created so the vet supercouples even can have some kind of story.

I always said keeping all those supercouples is hurting the show because there is very limited bunch of stories they can still have and it´s really tired and repetitive. So, even if I´m sorry for DH/DDH and all other actors who will no doubt follow, for once, I actually agree with Corday. This could help the show. This drastic budget cuts will force them to do the jump they should have done years ago.
Edited by jane1978, Nov 19 2008, 12:08 PM.
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So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
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ladyofthelake
Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.
Who said they didn't feel just as bad for them? I do feel for them and I've said so when news like this was about them. This time it's Deidre, so of course that's who we're going to center our discussion around. I don't see the use in bringing up every other devoted actor who's been screwed over by Corday. That list could go on and on.

That said, I still love ya, Lady! :smooch:
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ladyofthelake
Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.
A few points...

1. I don't think the discussion here is about sympathy. We feel bad for anyone who has lost his/her job. This is about the significance of Days' firing its icon and longtime star. As Mason pointed out, this is not a thread about every actor.

2. Deidre and Drake have been given the summer off twice, I believe, if that's what you mean by 'extended vacations'. The difference, of course, is that they weren't fired. Though a big deal actually was made among fans when John and Marlena were taken off the canvas, I'm sure you can understand that a bigger deal would be made when the actors are permanently removed from the show.

3. Regarding the ratings: I'm sure you are referring to the summer of '06, which you've used as an example before. That was coming off of a TERRIBLY written story for John and Marlena (Alex North). Marlena was an amnesiac. She was not in character. I don't think we should use the break after that story as the gold standard of "what happens to Days without John and Marlena."

4. Not to repeat myself, but a summer without Marlena is completely different than Days of Our Lives without Deidre Hall. I've seen so many posts from viewers saying they're just "throwing in the towel" at this point. Deidre brought viewers to Days just by way of the fact that she was in the cast in the first place. Many of those viewers are using this as an opportunity to finally say goodbye to Salem.

5. Last, this is causing shockwaves through the industry, though I know your post is questioning why that's occuring. As my favorite quote from the Daytime Confidential podcast said, "You don't fire Roseanne from Roseanne!" I can see you don't view it this way, but to most in the industry (and to most viewers!), Deidre is Days. The fact that a soap would attempt something like this is a sign to many that either the soap genre is truly dead, or that Days has committed its greatest folly of a history of many. I think unfortunately it may be both.
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Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
Wow, that's sad about the little girl.
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Nov 19 2008, 06:59 PM
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Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
Wow, that's sad about the little girl.
Of course it is, and I'm sorry you had such a hard day. All of us probably have things going on in our own lives which of course make soap characters or even someone losing his/her job pale in comparison. But where this is a soap board, I don't think it's out of line at all to discuss the things we do here. I don't think anyone here would have the insensitivity to approach someone having a personal issue and start crying because John and Marlena are leaving town.
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Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
So what I'm wondering is how you are wondering how people can feel more sympathy for one actor than they do for another. I find this interesting because in your very own post you are the first to say you are "pretty sure they will both be fine".

For the record, I don't believe people are being any more sympathetic than they would be with anyone else. I do however, believe this is getting more reaction than anybody else. That does not necessarily equate to the same thing.

Deidre Hall and J&M, like 'em or not are going to create huge buzz like no other.
Edited by andromeda, Nov 19 2008, 08:15 PM.
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Nov 19 2008, 06:18 PM
So, what I'm wondering is......why feel more sympathy for them than any other actor who was willing to give it all? I understand this was sudden, but good grief, Judi Evans was willing to give it her all. Matthew Ashford was kicked around like a puppy, but would probably come back at the first hint of an invite. There are other actors who have devoted their hearts to this show, too.

It may not be fair, but it happens. It's a sad factor of our economy. Anyone who is not the boss is indespensible. It's also a sad fact that sometimes bosses make rotten decisions. But, I really doubt they'll be jobless long. My concern would be for the real life humans, not the characters. And, I'm pretty sure they'll both be fine.

And, in all honesty, you don't think they saw the writing on the wall? Or did they think they were immune? With all the garbage going on backstage for months,I would think NO one would think themselves protected, not even Allison Sweeney at some point. And, if they are, they are kidding themselves.

Plus, it still sounds like the door is left open. Maybe it won't materialize, but it's not as if they weren't given extended vacations before. And, honestly, it really didn't affect the ratings much one way or another.

Guess I sound like a cruel heartless bitch, but after having to deal with a little girl yesterday who is 7 and is already sinking into a depressed, hard emotionalless attitude because her daddy refuses to acknowledge her and gives his stepkids gifts in front of her without giving her anything, this seems like small potatoes. Dee and Drake will bounce back. I'm not so sure about this little girl.
I'm confused, is this a sympathy contest thread? We aren't suppose to talk about D&D being fired without mentioning all the other actors that have been let go over the years? Despite the fact that all actors are not equal when it comes to popularity or how much they make?

I think everyone realizes that "it happens". Regardless of whether the actors will recover or not (I am sure they will take comfort in your confidence in their futures), I think this is more about the health of the show itself. It's no surprise that this has become big news, whether you agree or not, Deidre Hall is considered the star of the show by most. Certainly Judi Evans was not similarly regarded, though she was certainly popular.

Not sure what it matters whether "they" thought they were immune or not. Who knows?

I think this is irrelevant to any ratings measurements. It's about more than that. It's about how viewers will now perceive the show. If more actors are let go, which I think we all know is going to happen, you won't have a recognizable cast or show. Despite your brushing this aside, many viewers tune in to see familiar characters like Marlena and John. And if they're gone from the canvas, along with other familiar faces, I have no doubt that you will lose audience over the long run... and the long run now has dwindled down to 18 months.

It's sad about the little girl, but what does that have to do with anything about this topic on a message board? When your favorites left the show, did you contemplate the real life problems in the world before posting about their departures? Is your comment suppose to make those of us posting about this topic feel like we are putting this topic above the other things going on in real life? Are we suppose to measure the importance of posting on this soap opera message board about the firings of two actors with the tragedies in real life before we post? If that's what you mean, then why are any of us, you included, posting on soap message board at all?
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