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Topic Started: Nov 21 2008, 01:26 PM (1,686 Views)
phloeishot
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http://daytimeconfidential.com/2008/11/corday-likens-days-actors-to-spokes-on-a-wheel
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King
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I don't know...I think the spokes on a wheel interview, although demeaning for actors, was the best Corday interview to date. He was at least being genuine and real. We don't like what he had to say, but he was being honest for once, and there was minimal spin.
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King
Nov 21 2008, 01:40 PM
I don't know...I think the spokes on a wheel interview, although demeaning for actors, was the best Corday interview to date. He was at least being genuine and real. We don't like what he had to say, but he was being honest for once, and there was minimal spin.
I do agree.

I think he could've worded it differently though. This is an ensemble show and it needs to be driven home that no one couple or character is more important. You can't play favorites anymore and Days did that for years. They didn't want to fire anyone or stick to their decisions because they were afraid of being disloyal or hurting someone. They have to make changes. it's been needed for awhile.

I'm not excusing Corday's actions. All I'm saying is working in upper management is not fun and until you do it you have no idea how tough it is to balance a budget and fire people you like and consider friends of many years. It's a business and you have other employees to worry about too, not just the few you have to cut.


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The whole business is in trouble. Soap actors really have no where to go. They'll either:

- Get lucky and end up in primetime
- Get picked up by another show, which will have to axe someone popular to make room for them
- Stay on their own show for paycuts
- Not work

Those are basically the four options. I think it's harder for soap women to jump to primetime b/c the soap hunks have the stud factor for them. The women have talent, and that doesn't seem to go as far.
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^Agreed, although I've read countless articles of primetime making big cutbacks too and basically they will be avoiding stunt casting and unnecessary casting. I've heard there will be reduced amounts of extra use in primetime too so that isn't even a solid option.

Regardless of how these shows (daytime and primetime) got here, they did and now changes and cutbacks have to be made, especially with the economy.
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Nov 21 2008, 01:40 PM
I don't know...I think the spokes on a wheel interview, although demeaning for actors, was the best Corday interview to date. He was at least being genuine and real. We don't like what he had to say, but he was being honest for once, and there was minimal spin.
I might buy his 'genuine-ness' *choke* if he had treated D&D like spokes on a wheel and asked them if they were willing to take a paycut vs. using them to hammer his agenda home to the rest of the cast. Take a cut or be fired like D&D. He implies they wouldn't take a cut. I have no way of knowing for sure what happened, but everything I've read says they weren't asked to take a paycut.

I guess his pal JT who has done NOTHING for the show in ages is just a spoke on the wheel too. What can he do on the show that Bo, Hope, Abe can't? The man has been leeching up budget for years almost as fast as Corday has been mismanaging it (nothing against JT personally - just Corday for lying thru his teeth about everyone being an equal spoke on the wheel).

There is NOTHING genuine about this man. He's a lazy leech of a weasel who didn't have the guts to even tell them in person after all the years he's known them.

The truth is he doesn't know how to manage the show, and he's putting the blame on the actors when he was the cause of the problems. I have more respect for a two bit thug than Corday.

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Nov 21 2008, 01:47 PM
The whole business is in trouble. Soap actors really have no where to go. They'll either:

- Get lucky and end up in primetime
- Get picked up by another show, which will have to axe someone popular to make room for them
- Stay on their own show for paycuts
- Not work

Those are basically the four options. I think it's harder for soap women to jump to primetime b/c the soap hunks have the stud factor for them. The women have talent, and that doesn't seem to go as far.
There's always theatre, independent films, and other options besides "primetime-paycut-no work." Those aren't huge cash cows, but if soap actors are serious about making a living off their acting and honing their craft, they will do what they can to bring their fans to these forms of entertainment.

Not everyone will end up like Judi Evans or Lisa Peluso, selling tombstones or real estate, respectively(and no offense is meant to their line of work. I'm pretty sure they{esp. Peluso} get paid relatively well).

But I hate hearing that people have no options other than daytime. If someone wants to work, they will find the work. They don't have to be slaves to the industry, no matter how much they like their jobs and the machine.
Edited by bellcurve, Nov 21 2008, 03:29 PM.
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Ellie


WOW. This is such an insightful and well-written article. Jamey Giddens sees right through Corday's little analogies to show what a dishonest, selfish, and foolish business move this was. Love the digs at Ali and Josh Taylor, and I also particularly like the point (which I feel hasn't been made enough) about the actors' salaries. These actors brought the show where it is today. I think it's fair to even discuss whether the show may have been canceled already were it not for the acting talent of the "big four", and yes, particularly Deidre, whose stories carried the show through the 90's and the past decade. As this article points out, she has always been the show's biggest cheerleader and has always been gracious in interviews even while other actors were at the same time speaking out about the show's many problems. She's supported the show through thick and thin and contributed immensely to its success, and for Corday to suggest that Deidre (and Drake) are completely equal to the rest of the cast - what the 'spokes' analogy implies, after all - is ludicrous. Congratulations to Jamey Giddens for showing his readers who the real soap villains are.
Edited by Ellie, Nov 21 2008, 04:43 PM.
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King
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That's true Iheart, there is always theater.

I am just repeating things that I have heard soap execs themselves say.
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Nov 21 2008, 04:34 PM
That's true Iheart, there is always theater.

I am just repeating things that I have heard soap execs themselves say.
Theater is for actors who want to act, but not live celebrity life in LA.

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Yeah but how is the economy affecting theater?

I mean, if primetime and film are making cutbacks, I would assume they are too. I would think that would be a hard avenue to explore for soap actors right now as well.

All you have to do is look at the talented soap vets who are without work right now. Lynn Herring, Matt Ashford, etc. There are so many out there yet no soap seems at all interested in hiring them and we haven't heard much in the way of any projects for them either. Hell, Martha Madison and Lindsey Hartley are still without work despite all the uproar over her firing and she is in a age bracket soaps covet. Both actresses were critically praised and very popular.

It's really bad out there. Soap actors have always had a hard time ridding themselves of the so called "soap stigma" and now that is the least of their concerns. Hell, they may have to take massive pay cuts just to get an acting gig somewhere right now.
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I donīt agree with the article at all.

Yes, the combination of Reilly, Drake and Deidre proved to be gold and the show made a lot of money thanks to them. But that was more than 10 years ago. We are talking about now. Jarlena arenīt at the peak of their popularity anymore and they donīt do anything substantial for the ratings. They are popular, yes, but that popularity is mainly between people who stopped watching either because Jarlena arenīt on enough, or their story is stupid, out of character, is not respecting their magical love connection and I donīt know what else.

They are older, their story possibilities are much smaller, and there are even people who think they are utterly boring unless Marlena isnīt either posessed or pretending to be a mass killer. It happens. Honestly, as much as Iīm sorry for Drake and Deidre and all their fans, Iīm starting to be tired with all the people who are trying to force us the idea that the show is over and nobody will watch just because Deidre will not do her 10 mins. per week quest like appearance on the show.

I believe getting rid of Martha Madison last year hurt the show much more.
Edited by jane1978, Nov 21 2008, 05:35 PM.
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Kyrai
Nov 21 2008, 02:57 PM
King
Nov 21 2008, 01:40 PM
I don't know...I think the spokes on a wheel interview, although demeaning for actors, was the best Corday interview to date. He was at least being genuine and real. We don't like what he had to say, but he was being honest for once, and there was minimal spin.
I might buy his 'genuine-ness' *choke* if he had treated D&D like spokes on a wheel and asked them if they were willing to take a paycut vs. using them to hammer his agenda home to the rest of the cast. Take a cut or be fired like D&D. He implies they wouldn't take a cut. I have no way of knowing for sure what happened, but everything I've read says they weren't asked to take a paycut.

I guess his pal JT who has done NOTHING for the show in ages is just a spoke on the wheel too. What can he do on the show that Bo, Hope, Abe can't? The man has been leeching up budget for years almost as fast as Corday has been mismanaging it (nothing against JT personally - just Corday for lying thru his teeth about everyone being an equal spoke on the wheel).

There is NOTHING genuine about this man. He's a lazy leech of a weasel who didn't have the guts to even tell them in person after all the years he's known them.

The truth is he doesn't know how to manage the show, and he's putting the blame on the actors when he was the cause of the problems. I have more respect for a two bit thug than Corday.

WELL SAID! And could Corday have been at least a little sympathetic to fans? He has to be the worst producer in Hollywood.
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Nov 21 2008, 04:32 PM
WOW. This is such an insightful and well-written article. Jamey Giddens sees right through Corday's little analogies to show what a dishonest, selfish, and foolish business move this was. Love the digs at Ali and Josh Taylor, and I also particularly like the point (which I feel hasn't been made enough) about the actors' salaries. These actors brought the show where it is today. I think it's fair to even discuss whether the show may have been canceled already were it not for the acting talent of the "big four", and yes, particularly Deidre, whose stories carried the show through the 90's and the past decade. As this article points out, she has always been the show's biggest cheerleader and has always been gracious in interviews even while other actors were at the same time speaking out about the show's many problems. She's supported the show through thick and thin and contributed immensely to its success, and for Corday to suggest that Deidre (and Drake) are completely equal to the rest of the cast - what the 'spokes' analogy implies, after all - is ludicrous. Congratulations to Jamey Giddens for showing his readers who the real soap villains are.
Excellent points, Ellie! Corday would love us all to think that actors are just spokes in the wheel, but he wouldn't have paid Deidre as much as he did if he thought she was simply a spoke in the wheel. He's such a jackass.
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It's amazing to me how the fans and soap journalists understand this but Dena doesn't:

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The "Big Four" still have enormous fanbases, two-thirds of the wildly popular Phloe vs. Broe triangle are back on the show when they could be kicking butt and taking names in primetime...
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jane1978
Nov 21 2008, 05:33 PM
I donīt agree with the article at all.

Yes, the combination of Reilly, Drake and Deidre proved to be gold and the show made a lot of money thanks to them. But that was more than 10 years ago. We are talking about now. Jarlena arenīt at the peak of their popularity anymore and they donīt do anything substantial for the ratings. They are popular, yes, but that popularity is mainly between people who stopped watching either because Jarlena arenīt on enough, or their story is stupid, out of character, is not respecting their magical love connection and I donīt know what else.

They are older, their story possibilities are much smaller, and there are even people who think they are utterly boring unless Marlena isnīt either posessed or pretending to be a mass killer. It happens. Honestly, as much as Iīm sorry for Drake and Deidre and all their fans, Iīm starting to be tired with all the people who are trying to force us the idea that the show is over and nobody will watch just because Deidre will not do her 10 mins. per week quest like appearance on the show.

I believe getting rid of Martha Madison last year hurt the show much more.
I couldn't agree more.

Might not like it, but J&M's time has come for them to exit gracefully like Doug and Julie and all the other vastly popular couples before them.

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Ellie
Nov 21 2008, 04:32 PM
WOW. This is such an insightful and well-written article. Jamey Giddens sees right through Corday's little analogies to show what a dishonest, selfish, and foolish business move this was. Love the digs at Ali and Josh Taylor, and I also particularly like the point (which I feel hasn't been made enough) about the actors' salaries. These actors brought the show where it is today. I think it's fair to even discuss whether the show may have been canceled already were it not for the acting talent of the "big four", and yes, particularly Deidre, whose stories carried the show through the 90's and the past decade. As this article points out, she has always been the show's biggest cheerleader and has always been gracious in interviews even while other actors were at the same time speaking out about the show's many problems. She's supported the show through thick and thin and contributed immensely to its success, and for Corday to suggest that Deidre (and Drake) are completely equal to the rest of the cast - what the 'spokes' analogy implies, after all - is ludicrous. Congratulations to Jamey Giddens for showing his readers who the real soap villains are.
Well said Ellie. I am glad that there are some in the press who are not afraid to call Corday and NBC on their bull!
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