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Kristian Alfonso interviewed about the cuts; Carolyn Hinsey's NY Daily News Soap Dish
Topic Started: Nov 28 2008, 05:14 AM (5,334 Views)
ladyofthelake
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Nov 30 2008, 01:39 PM
I think it's all of those things, lady.
I tend to agree with you (and myself! :P ), but I think that with this dwindling interest in soaps came dwindling advertising dollars to begin with. This economy just put the whole soap business in critical care, close to life support. It's just another nail in the proverbial coffin. Along with the writers' strike.
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I just really hope that when PR and KA took the cut in pay they still get are going to get a frontburner story. With the loss of Dee, we really need to see familiar people on the show, and not only twice a week.
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Nov 30 2008, 02:24 PM
I just really hope that when PR and KA took the cut in pay they still get are going to get a frontburner story. With the loss of Dee, we really need to see familiar people on the show, and not only twice a week.
I'm not counting on it. I'll even bet we'll be seeing them less than we already are now.
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ladyofthelake
Nov 30 2008, 01:41 PM
King
Nov 30 2008, 01:39 PM
I think it's all of those things, lady.
I tend to agree with you (and myself! :P ), but I think that with this dwindling interest in soaps came dwindling advertising dollars to begin with. This economy just put the whole soap business in critical care, close to life support. It's just another nail in the proverbial coffin. Along with the writers' strike.
I agree to an extent. Those things play a part of it but I still put the blame on TPTB for not being able to write stories that are new, fresh and draw in viewers. Primetime is struggling too but there are still shows that are able to do what I've said and draw in viewers, shows such as Lost, 24 and Ugly Betty just to name a few. Too many execs rely on trying to strike gold by using old formulas and then complain when they don't work. All in all, the execs and the writers need to think beyond the box.

Days should use this as an opprotunity to tighten up the show and tell smaller but more compelling stories rather than stories about Max and his neices, EJ's potent sperm and all the women who have lusted after Dr. McYucky.
Edited by FanODays, Nov 30 2008, 04:10 PM.
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Nov 30 2008, 03:42 PM
ladyofthelake
Nov 30 2008, 01:41 PM
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Nov 30 2008, 01:39 PM
I think it's all of those things, lady.
I tend to agree with you (and myself! :P ), but I think that with this dwindling interest in soaps came dwindling advertising dollars to begin with. This economy just put the whole soap business in critical care, close to life support. It's just another nail in the proverbial coffin. Along with the writers' strike.
I agree to an extent. Those things play a part of it but I still put the blame on TPTB for not being able to write stories that are new, fresh and draw in viewers. Primetime is struggling too but there are still shows that are able to do what I've said and draw in viewers, shows such as Lost, 24 and Ugly Betty just to name a few. Too many execs rely on trying to strike gold by using old formulas and then complain when they don't work. All in all, the execs and the writers need to think beyond the box.

Days should use this as an opprotunity to tighten up the show and tell smaller but more compelling stories rather than stories about Max and his neices, EJ's potent sperm and all the women who have lusted after Dr. McYucky.
But we're talking about soaps in general, not just Days. When you have shows that are 20-30-40+ years old and have episodes on, for the most part, 5 times a week, don't you think ideas are going to start running stale after a while and storylines get repeated or "borrowed"? Even the best, like OLTL (for me) are borrowing from themselves. I can't speak to Y&R because I haven't watched that for years. When I was younger, soaps were the only choice. Now, they're not for most people, who have cable or satellite. Shoot, people can buy their own DVDs of their favorites shows and watch, now. Or, of course, there's also XBox and Wii for entertainment, or the Web. The choices are just staggering.

From your vantage point, it might be the writing, but we're pondering the people who have watched and wandered off. If they got tired of Days' writing, they could tune into other soaps, but many don't. Several posters have commented that many college kids don't watch anymore, and gyms don't have their TVs set to soaps.
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Well, maybe DAYS will realize they need to start getting more bang for their buck and use their top paying stars more and not the cheap newbies.
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Nov 30 2008, 02:24 PM
I just really hope that when PR and KA took the cut in pay they still get are going to get a frontburner story. With the loss of Dee, we really need to see familiar people on the show, and not only twice a week.
I'll wager they'll stagger the vets so there's a familiar face in passing. Maggie will probably be fairly prominent during this whole Melanie thing, at least until Melanie moves out.

And what is considered familiar, and (this question has come up before), who's considered a vet? Sami's probably a vet, yet a lot of people are sick of her. Is Philip considered a vet? Lucas? Chloe? Nicole? The original teen scene was, what, almost 10 years ago? Hasn't Lucas been on about 15 years?

What we older folks consider new, other, newer viewers might consider as much of a vet as Hope.
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I don't consider anyone who hasn't been with the show at least 15 years a vet.

So, for me, actors like Zucker, Bjorlin, JKJ, etc. would not be vets.
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ladyofthelake
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Nov 30 2008, 06:02 PM
Well, maybe DAYS will realize they need to start getting more bang for their buck and use their top paying stars more and not the cheap newbies.
What are going they going to pay them with? Monopoly money? Like it or not, they apparently have a money situation. If people are complaining about the writing and nothing new for the vets, at least they can rerun stories with new faces. They try it with vets, someone will complain that this has already been done with them! If you whittle Melanie, Chelsea, Nick (already whittled), Max, Stephanie........you basically have

1. the autism storyline with Abe and Lexie-people don't like that, plus Theo is relatively a newbie
2. Roman/Bo cop shows-not much to do there if the vets commit the crimes
3. Nicole/EJ (couldn't he be considered a newbie, though)/Sami reruns OR
4. EJ/Sami/Lucas reruns OR
5. Chloe/Philip/Brady reruns OR
6. Nicole/Brady/Chloe reruns
7. Can't bring Ciara back, cause she's a newbie, so what will Hope do besides chase bad guys? And we can't make the vets the bad guys.
8. Steve and Kayla.......they are truly in desperate need of a storyline, but what? investigate criminals who have to be one time day players or recurring? People have already complained about folks like Shirley Jones or Roscoe Borne, whose characters weren't around long enough for us to care, even though they're veteran actors
9. See the next great thing Maggie does to green Chez Rouge?
10. I guess Philip and Victor could tussle over Titan. That won't last long
11. Gotta get rid of Daniel, cause he's a newbie. Therefore, I guess Kate's doctor will be Kayla, and that won't be very romantic. Don't think Kayla will give up Steve
12. Kate will have to meddle in the love lives of her sons again. We can't kill her off cause she's a vet

But then again, is Philip/Chloe/Lucas/EJ/Nicole, et al...are they considered newbies? Vets? Middle-aged?

Yeah, I'm being sarcastic again. I just don't think the money's there. Even ABC has been slowly cutting back on salaries. The difference is, they managed their money better. Now Corday/Sony has to pay the piper. He screwed up too many times. Just like the guy who gets 2-3 mortgages and finds out he can't make the payments and either has to downsize or get his house repossessed. Yeah, the actors and most viewers suffer. That happens in the corporate world, too. Sometimes the bosses just walk off scot-free, except Corday's reputation is probably in shreds. When Days finally goes, that's probably it for him. He's done. At least with all this publicity, D&D probably have some marketability. Whosever publicist got ahold of the media was one smart cookie.
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Nov 30 2008, 06:07 PM
I don't consider anyone who hasn't been with the show at least 15 years a vet.

So, for me, actors like Zucker, Bjorlin, JKJ, etc. would not be vets.
So they fall through the cracks? That doesn't leave much. What do you consider Steve and Kayla, who were on years ago, off for years, and now back on again? What if they wanted to bring Alice back, health permitting? What about Doug and Julie, who are on here and there? Craig and Nancy? Mike Horton?

What can you do with Bo and Hope, Lucas and Sami, and Maggie? If D&D are gone, that's pretty well it. For folks like me who either started watching about 10 years ago or quit watching for a long time and then picked it up again, Zucker, Bjorlin, JKJ, etc. WOULD be vets, or at least, seasoned and established.

And what about James Scott and Shaun Christianson? They're veteran actors, just not on this show. IF they weren't going to can Blake Berris, should they for the mere reason he's not a vet, even though he's acting circles around some of the more experienced people? ditto for Zucker?
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Glad to see KA saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and made alternate plans and not only rely on the entertainment BUSINESS.
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Nov 30 2008, 06:23 PM
Glad to see KA saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and made alternate plans and not only rely on the entertainment BUSINESS.
Wasn't she supposed to be at Bloomingdale's this weekend to launch her jewelry? That's pretty high class! Good for her! And Mary Beth. And Arianne and the others who know just how vulnerable the entertainment industry is.
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Nov 30 2008, 06:07 PM
I don't consider anyone who hasn't been with the show at least 15 years a vet.

So, for me, actors like Zucker, Bjorlin, JKJ, etc. would not be vets.
Wow, I think that is crazy. By that logic, Kristian Alfonso wouldn't have been considered a vet of the show until 2005, as that is when she would have had a total of 15 years on the show. Koslow has been on the show since 1996 and yet she still wouldn't be considered a vet. And Datillo and Sweeney who debuted in 1993, would just now be considered vets of the show!?
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Well, it's merely my opinion. Of course everyone has different ideas about who's a vet and who's not.
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Imma say I know almost NOBODY in ANY business that has the same employer for 30 years. Certainly not in show business.

I definitely don't know of any that are fired without warning, heads-up, and planning. If this is a stunt and even if it ISN'T, she had to have known something when her contract expired...That said, something is still WRONG with allowing her to run around, talking about her parking space and how much she loves her character, promoting the show in one breath and being writtten out the next...it's so dumb it is almost impossible...

Even if it is all a tightly scripted strategy though, I'm just done. Fed up, and now, with ZERO reasons to watch at all.

Jan 23, my Days are done.
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Nov 30 2008, 07:02 PM
Imma say I know almost NOBODY in ANY business that has the same employer for 30 years. Certainly not in show business.

I definitely don't know of any that are fired without warning, heads-up, and planning. If this is a stunt and even if it ISN'T, she had to have known something when her contract expired...That said, something is still WRONG with allowing her to run around, talking about her parking space and how much she loves her character, promoting the show in one breath and being writtten out the next...it's so dumb it is almost impossible...

Even if it is all a tightly scripted strategy though, I'm just done. Fed up, and now, with ZERO reasons to watch at all.

Jan 23, my Days are done.
Really? I don't know anybody who was warned they were going to get fired.

Most people went to work and were escorted out OR they went to work and found a lock on the door.

But no one was given notice that they had three months to find another job.
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ladyofthelake
Nov 30 2008, 06:24 PM
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Nov 30 2008, 06:23 PM
Glad to see KA saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and made alternate plans and not only rely on the entertainment BUSINESS.
Wasn't she supposed to be at Bloomingdale's this weekend to launch her jewelry? That's pretty high class! Good for her! And Mary Beth. And Arianne and the others who know just how vulnerable the entertainment industry is.
I'm going to read between the lines of your post and just say that if Deidre made a public appearance at Bloomingdales, they'd have to shut the store down. I think very highly of the other women you mentioned, but I think Deidre is in a different league. That's one of the reasons that the industry is reeling from this. I know, from having read your posts over the past two weeks, that you don't seem to think this is significant in the least, and I'm happy for you that the show will continue with the characters you like. However, I think it's safe to say that many in the industry don't share your preferences, and that's one reason I think Deidre's firing will have a grave impact on the show.
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Nov 30 2008, 07:02 PM
Imma say I know almost NOBODY in ANY business that has the same employer for 30 years. Certainly not in show business.

I definitely don't know of any that are fired without warning, heads-up, and planning. If this is a stunt and even if it ISN'T, she had to have known something when her contract expired...That said, something is still WRONG with allowing her to run around, talking about her parking space and how much she loves her character, promoting the show in one breath and being writtten out the next...it's so dumb it is almost impossible...

Even if it is all a tightly scripted strategy though, I'm just done. Fed up, and now, with ZERO reasons to watch at all.

Jan 23, my Days are done.
And that's fine, but like Sprite Eyes said, many of the actors got phone calls. Heck, one actor (the guy who played Patrick) read about it in one of the mags! And many of those actors were promoting the show as much as Hall was. Heck, even after Judi Evans was fired, she was still promoting the show and saying how much she loved Corday and how it was probably a tough decision for him.

But, from rumors I've heard (and I would like to find a source, but for right now it's scuttlebutt), D&D had refused pay cuts in the past, so they probably weren't even approached about it. There is something going on that, probably more than we know.

And I know very few actors on shows who are going to bash their characters and bash the show. There's been a select few, but most of them field their words very carefully. Even if they get fired, they don't want to be known as a malcontent. That would probably cost them another job.

So, I can't feel sorry for Hall just because of that. She's not the only one who has been fired, rightfully or wrongfully. She's not the only actor who has praised her character and job and still got fired. And, she's known at least since the beginning of November. If her last airdate is in January, she's still filming. She's got time to make plans and look. Some actors aren't that lucky.
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Ellie
Nov 30 2008, 07:13 PM
ladyofthelake
Nov 30 2008, 06:24 PM
SpriteEyes
Nov 30 2008, 06:23 PM
Glad to see KA saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and made alternate plans and not only rely on the entertainment BUSINESS.
Wasn't she supposed to be at Bloomingdale's this weekend to launch her jewelry? That's pretty high class! Good for her! And Mary Beth. And Arianne and the others who know just how vulnerable the entertainment industry is.
I'm going to read between the lines of your post and just say that if Deidre made a public appearance at Bloomingdales, they'd have to shut the store down. I think very highly of the other women you mentioned, but I think Deidre is in a different league. That's one of the reasons that the industry is reeling from this. I know, from having read your posts over the past two weeks, that you don't seem to think this is significant in the least, and I'm happy for you that the show will continue with the characters you like. However, I think it's safe to say that many in the industry don't share your preferences, and that's one reason I think Deidre's firing will have a grave impact on the show.
I don't see how because I've read so many posts from Dee fans who claim to have already quit watching.

I don't think that Dee Hall is in any different league than KA nor do I think they would have to shut down a major dept. store.

It's NYC, I doubt most people would notice.
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Nov 30 2008, 07:18 PM
But, from rumors I've heard (and I would like to find a source, but for right now it's scuttlebutt), D&D had refused pay cuts in the past, so they probably weren't even approached about it. There is something going on that, probably more than we know.
That is not correct. Both have taken paycuts in the past.
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