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SOW: Rafe stabbed, Sami in danger!
Topic Started: Dec 3 2008, 11:42 AM (6,116 Views)
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Dec 5 2008, 01:44 PM
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Dec 5 2008, 12:40 AM
Somehow if you are a fan of the "ejami" couple, Nicole suffers the brunt. So silly
And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered. Then, there's all the negative rumors about what AS is like in person.

Nicole had a hard childhood. Whatever. So did just about everyone else in Salem. Nicole was an unrepentant gold-digging slut for years. And it's not about the number of people she slept with, but almost every time she got in bed with someone it was for personal gain instead of love.

Point out that you didn't buy Sami's transformation from whiny, self absorbed brat to savior of the Bradys and you'll get a thousand little bowing smilies, but God forbid you got weren't on board when the "Redemption Express" train came to town to pick up Nicole.

Back on topic- I like Rafe okay, but not enough to care that he gets stabbed. They're really getting lax on the WP rules. He'll fit in well with the SPD when this storyline is over.
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And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered.
Can you blame us? We've had to suffer through Sami's obnoxious whining and crying being front and center for almost two years now.
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Somehow if you are a fan of the "ejami" couple, Nicole suffers the brunt. So silly
And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered. Then, there's all the negative rumors about what AS is like in person.

Nicole had a hard childhood. Whatever. So did just about everyone else in Salem. Nicole was an unrepentant gold-digging slut for years. And it's not about the number of people she slept with, but almost every time she got in bed with someone it was for personal gain instead of love.

Point out that you didn't buy Sami's transformation from whiny, self absorbed brat to savior of the Bradys and you'll get a thousand little bowing smilies, but God forbid you got weren't on board when the "Redemption Express" train came to town to pick up Nicole.

Back on topic- I like Rafe okay, but not enough to care that he gets stabbed. They're really getting lax on the WP rules. He'll fit in well with the SPD when this storyline is over.
i'm sorry, but seeing your mom boinking another man on a conference table is a far cry from being repeatedly raped by other men at your father's behest. maybe i'm biased, but i can't think of a character in recent history that suffered the abuse that nicole did growing up.

also, it's not that i don't buy sami's redemption, it's that i don't like who she has become since. instead of the scheming gal who went after what she wanted, we now have a sami that whines and cries all the time. i also feel that if nicole continues to suffer from over-exposure like sami did for over two years, you'll hear most everyone calling for a break from her. she's not even been on the show for a year now, so i'm not sick of her yet. i think the biggest reason i can attest to the difference is that i was always a fan of BOTH sami and nicole. but sami's regression into whininess, along with her multiple pregnancies and almost constant front-burner status for the past two years has made me dislike her. a lot.

perhaps this is totally unfair of me to say, but i dislike her even more now that she has admitted that her pregnancy was written into the show to make things easier on everyone else. i am not saying it was her decision, but it irritates me to no end that we have to suffer through this awful WP s/l and another child on the way all because she is pregnant in real life. i admit that that makes me dislike her all the more, but i can also admit that might not be fair.

i also don't see that nicole has been redeemed or even close. she has always been presented to us as a somewhat sympathetic character since JER penned her storyline with the death of her father. however, unlike sami, she is still able to scheme and do less-than-honest things while still garnering sympathy from the audience. the writers have not been able, in my opinion, to strike that balance with sami's character.
Oh, come on now. Sami's watched her whole family get terrorized by Stefano for decades. Her parents have died numerous times, and I won't even list all the stuff that happened during her feud with the Roberts family during which she was still a teen. Neither one of them had a cake-walk of a childhood.

Your point about what Sami turned into is exactly how I felt about what happened with Nicole earlier this summer. They took the good, interesting flaws away, and left behind a whiny shell, or "the softer side" if you're a fan of her change. I was thrilled to hear that she was pulling a gun on someone. I just might get my scheming, selfish, Nicole back. I felt the same way about Sami becoming a heroine and weeping all the time. I don't want these characters redeemed into bland, lesser versions of Hope and Marlena.

LOL, Mason I don't begrudge you or anyone else a chance to complain about Sami. I'm a Sami fan and get sick of her whining too. I want my chance to complain about the route Nicole is taking too, though.
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Somehow if you are a fan of the "ejami" couple, Nicole suffers the brunt. So silly
And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered. Then, there's all the negative rumors about what AS is like in person.

Nicole had a hard childhood. Whatever. So did just about everyone else in Salem. Nicole was an unrepentant gold-digging slut for years. And it's not about the number of people she slept with, but almost every time she got in bed with someone it was for personal gain instead of love.

Point out that you didn't buy Sami's transformation from whiny, self absorbed brat to savior of the Bradys and you'll get a thousand little bowing smilies, but God forbid you got weren't on board when the "Redemption Express" train came to town to pick up Nicole.

Back on topic- I like Rafe okay, but not enough to care that he gets stabbed. They're really getting lax on the WP rules. He'll fit in well with the SPD when this storyline is over.
i'm sorry, but seeing your mom boinking another man on a conference table is a far cry from being repeatedly raped by other men at your father's behest. maybe i'm biased, but i can't think of a character in recent history that suffered the abuse that nicole did growing up.

also, it's not that i don't buy sami's redemption, it's that i don't like who she has become since. instead of the scheming gal who went after what she wanted, we now have a sami that whines and cries all the time. i also feel that if nicole continues to suffer from over-exposure like sami did for over two years, you'll hear most everyone calling for a break from her. she's not even been on the show for a year now, so i'm not sick of her yet. i think the biggest reason i can attest to the difference is that i was always a fan of BOTH sami and nicole. but sami's regression into whininess, along with her multiple pregnancies and almost constant front-burner status for the past two years has made me dislike her. a lot.

perhaps this is totally unfair of me to say, but i dislike her even more now that she has admitted that her pregnancy was written into the show to make things easier on everyone else. i am not saying it was her decision, but it irritates me to no end that we have to suffer through this awful WP s/l and another child on the way all because she is pregnant in real life. i admit that that makes me dislike her all the more, but i can also admit that might not be fair.

i also don't see that nicole has been redeemed or even close. she has always been presented to us as a somewhat sympathetic character since JER penned her storyline with the death of her father. however, unlike sami, she is still able to scheme and do less-than-honest things while still garnering sympathy from the audience. the writers have not been able, in my opinion, to strike that balance with sami's character.
Oh, come on now. Sami's watched her whole family get terrorized by Stefano for decades. Her parents have died numerous times, and I won't even list all the stuff that happened during her feud with the Roberts family during which she was still a teen. Neither one of them had a cake-walk of a childhood.

Your point about what Sami turned into is exactly how I felt about what happened with Nicole earlier this summer. They took the good, interesting flaws away, and left behind a whiny shell, or "the softer side" if you're a fan of her change. I was thrilled to hear that she was pulling a gun on someone. I just might get my scheming, selfish, Nicole back. I felt the same way about Sami becoming a heroine and weeping all the time. I don't want these characters redeemed into bland, lesser versions of Hope and Marlena.

LOL, Mason I don't begrudge you or anyone else a chance to complain about Sami. I'm a Sami fan and get sick of her whining too. I want my chance to complain about the route Nicole is taking too, though.
i'm talking about nicole's childhood, i.e., under the age of fifteen. i don't remember sami having any traumatizing childhood memories, and if she does, she never brings them up. as far as her feud with lucas and kate, she brought a lot of that on herself. it's not that i don't sympathize with sami, i do. but you can't compare her childhood to nicole's, or anyone else's either, for that matter. yea, sami's parents died a few times. they also returned from the dead just as many times, and they have been nothing but pretty much supportive of her, except when she was destroying others' lives. nicole's mom disappeared, and she had to shoot her own father when he tried to rape her. we will have to agree to disagree on this one, because no one can convince me that sami had it worse than nicole.

i don't have a problem with either sami or nicole being written sympathetically. what i do have a problem with is their characters being massacred to redeem them. they never went that way with nicole, which is evident with her storyline right now. sami, on the other hand, is unrecognizable.
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Dec 5 2008, 03:54 PM
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Dec 5 2008, 01:44 PM
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Dec 5 2008, 12:40 AM
Somehow if you are a fan of the "ejami" couple, Nicole suffers the brunt. So silly
And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered. Then, there's all the negative rumors about what AS is like in person.

Nicole had a hard childhood. Whatever. So did just about everyone else in Salem. Nicole was an unrepentant gold-digging slut for years. And it's not about the number of people she slept with, but almost every time she got in bed with someone it was for personal gain instead of love.

Point out that you didn't buy Sami's transformation from whiny, self absorbed brat to savior of the Bradys and you'll get a thousand little bowing smilies, but God forbid you got weren't on board when the "Redemption Express" train came to town to pick up Nicole.

Back on topic- I like Rafe okay, but not enough to care that he gets stabbed. They're really getting lax on the WP rules. He'll fit in well with the SPD when this storyline is over.
i'm sorry, but seeing your mom boinking another man on a conference table is a far cry from being repeatedly raped by other men at your father's behest. maybe i'm biased, but i can't think of a character in recent history that suffered the abuse that nicole did growing up.

also, it's not that i don't buy sami's redemption, it's that i don't like who she has become since. instead of the scheming gal who went after what she wanted, we now have a sami that whines and cries all the time. i also feel that if nicole continues to suffer from over-exposure like sami did for over two years, you'll hear most everyone calling for a break from her. she's not even been on the show for a year now, so i'm not sick of her yet. i think the biggest reason i can attest to the difference is that i was always a fan of BOTH sami and nicole. but sami's regression into whininess, along with her multiple pregnancies and almost constant front-burner status for the past two years has made me dislike her. a lot.

perhaps this is totally unfair of me to say, but i dislike her even more now that she has admitted that her pregnancy was written into the show to make things easier on everyone else. i am not saying it was her decision, but it irritates me to no end that we have to suffer through this awful WP s/l and another child on the way all because she is pregnant in real life. i admit that that makes me dislike her all the more, but i can also admit that might not be fair.

i also don't see that nicole has been redeemed or even close. she has always been presented to us as a somewhat sympathetic character since JER penned her storyline with the death of her father. however, unlike sami, she is still able to scheme and do less-than-honest things while still garnering sympathy from the audience. the writers have not been able, in my opinion, to strike that balance with sami's character.
Oh, come on now. Sami's watched her whole family get terrorized by Stefano for decades. Her parents have died numerous times, and I won't even list all the stuff that happened during her feud with the Roberts family during which she was still a teen. Neither one of them had a cake-walk of a childhood.

Your point about what Sami turned into is exactly how I felt about what happened with Nicole earlier this summer. They took the good, interesting flaws away, and left behind a whiny shell, or "the softer side" if you're a fan of her change. I was thrilled to hear that she was pulling a gun on someone. I just might get my scheming, selfish, Nicole back. I felt the same way about Sami becoming a heroine and weeping all the time. I don't want these characters redeemed into bland, lesser versions of Hope and Marlena.

LOL, Mason I don't begrudge you or anyone else a chance to complain about Sami. I'm a Sami fan and get sick of her whining too. I want my chance to complain about the route Nicole is taking too, though.
i'm talking about nicole's childhood, i.e., under the age of fifteen. i don't remember sami having any traumatizing childhood memories, and if she does, she never brings them up. as far as her feud with lucas and kate, she brought a lot of that on herself. it's not that i don't sympathize with sami, i do. but you can't compare her childhood to nicole's, or anyone else's either, for that matter. yea, sami's parents died a few times. they also returned from the dead just as many times, and they have been nothing but pretty much supportive of her, except when she was destroying others' lives. nicole's mom disappeared, and she had to shoot her own father when he tried to rape her. we will have to agree to disagree on this one, because no one can convince me that sami had it worse than nicole.

i don't have a problem with either sami or nicole being written sympathetically. what i do have a problem with is their characters being massacred to redeem them. they never went that way with nicole, which is evident with her storyline right now. sami, on the other hand, is unrecognizable.
Nicole wasn't in porn when she was under the age of fifteen, which is what you brought up after quoting my post about her childhood. Nor did she shoot Paul when she was under the age of fifteen, so I'm not sure when we were supposed to be talking exclusively about her early years. I never said Sami had it worse than Nicole, but she did not have a great or even good childhood, and her parents haven't been all that supportive of her. We know Sami was traumatized by what happened with her parents. She mentioned it, then hoped Allie wouldn't end up the same way. We know Stefano traumatized her due to her fears for Johnny and the baby on the way. Is being forced into porn magnitudes worse than being kidnapped, the pain of mourning your parents death three or four times apiece, lethal injection etc.? If it is in your book, then yes, we'll need to agree to disagree.

We'll also need to agree to disagree about the way the change in Nicole was handled.

Also, since when did Faye disappear?
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Dec 5 2008, 01:44 PM
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Dec 5 2008, 12:40 AM
Somehow if you are a fan of the "ejami" couple, Nicole suffers the brunt. So silly
And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered. Then, there's all the negative rumors about what AS is like in person.

Nicole had a hard childhood. Whatever. So did just about everyone else in Salem. Nicole was an unrepentant gold-digging slut for years. And it's not about the number of people she slept with, but almost every time she got in bed with someone it was for personal gain instead of love.

Point out that you didn't buy Sami's transformation from whiny, self absorbed brat to savior of the Bradys and you'll get a thousand little bowing smilies, but God forbid you got weren't on board when the "Redemption Express" train came to town to pick up Nicole.

Back on topic- I like Rafe okay, but not enough to care that he gets stabbed. They're really getting lax on the WP rules. He'll fit in well with the SPD when this storyline is over.
i'm sorry, but seeing your mom boinking another man on a conference table is a far cry from being repeatedly raped by other men at your father's behest. maybe i'm biased, but i can't think of a character in recent history that suffered the abuse that nicole did growing up.

also, it's not that i don't buy sami's redemption, it's that i don't like who she has become since. instead of the scheming gal who went after what she wanted, we now have a sami that whines and cries all the time. i also feel that if nicole continues to suffer from over-exposure like sami did for over two years, you'll hear most everyone calling for a break from her. she's not even been on the show for a year now, so i'm not sick of her yet. i think the biggest reason i can attest to the difference is that i was always a fan of BOTH sami and nicole. but sami's regression into whininess, along with her multiple pregnancies and almost constant front-burner status for the past two years has made me dislike her. a lot.

perhaps this is totally unfair of me to say, but i dislike her even more now that she has admitted that her pregnancy was written into the show to make things easier on everyone else. i am not saying it was her decision, but it irritates me to no end that we have to suffer through this awful WP s/l and another child on the way all because she is pregnant in real life. i admit that that makes me dislike her all the more, but i can also admit that might not be fair.

i also don't see that nicole has been redeemed or even close. she has always been presented to us as a somewhat sympathetic character since JER penned her storyline with the death of her father. however, unlike sami, she is still able to scheme and do less-than-honest things while still garnering sympathy from the audience. the writers have not been able, in my opinion, to strike that balance with sami's character.
Oh, come on now. Sami's watched her whole family get terrorized by Stefano for decades. Her parents have died numerous times, and I won't even list all the stuff that happened during her feud with the Roberts family during which she was still a teen. Neither one of them had a cake-walk of a childhood.

Your point about what Sami turned into is exactly how I felt about what happened with Nicole earlier this summer. They took the good, interesting flaws away, and left behind a whiny shell, or "the softer side" if you're a fan of her change. I was thrilled to hear that she was pulling a gun on someone. I just might get my scheming, selfish, Nicole back. I felt the same way about Sami becoming a heroine and weeping all the time. I don't want these characters redeemed into bland, lesser versions of Hope and Marlena.

LOL, Mason I don't begrudge you or anyone else a chance to complain about Sami. I'm a Sami fan and get sick of her whining too. I want my chance to complain about the route Nicole is taking too, though.
i'm talking about nicole's childhood, i.e., under the age of fifteen. i don't remember sami having any traumatizing childhood memories, and if she does, she never brings them up. as far as her feud with lucas and kate, she brought a lot of that on herself. it's not that i don't sympathize with sami, i do. but you can't compare her childhood to nicole's, or anyone else's either, for that matter. yea, sami's parents died a few times. they also returned from the dead just as many times, and they have been nothing but pretty much supportive of her, except when she was destroying others' lives. nicole's mom disappeared, and she had to shoot her own father when he tried to rape her. we will have to agree to disagree on this one, because no one can convince me that sami had it worse than nicole.

i don't have a problem with either sami or nicole being written sympathetically. what i do have a problem with is their characters being massacred to redeem them. they never went that way with nicole, which is evident with her storyline right now. sami, on the other hand, is unrecognizable.
Nicole wasn't in porn when she was under the age of fifteen, which is what you brought up after quoting my post about her childhood. Nor did she shoot Paul when she was under the age of fifteen, so I'm not sure when we were supposed to be talking exclusively about her early years. I never said Sami had it worse than Nicole, but she did not have a great or even good childhood, and her parents haven't been all that supportive of her. We know Sami was traumatized by what happened with her parents. She mentioned it, then hoped Allie wouldn't end up the same way. We know Stefano traumatized her due to her fears for Johnny and the baby on the way. Is being forced into porn magnitudes worse than being kidnapped, the pain of mourning your parents death three or four times apiece, lethal injection etc.? If it is in your book, then yes, we'll need to agree to disagree.

We'll also need to agree to disagree about the way the change in Nicole was handled.

Also, since when did Faye disappear?


per her last stint on the show, nicole told us that she was forced to do those locker room lolita flicks before she reached her teen years and through them.

faye left town after she had a brief fling/flirtation with abe, i think. i know it was around the time brandon left. plus, per nicole's conversation with brady last week, i guess we're to assume that faye either wasn't around when nicole was a child, or was a horrific mother.

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Somehow if you are a fan of the "ejami" couple, Nicole suffers the brunt. So silly
And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered. Then, there's all the negative rumors about what AS is like in person.

Nicole had a hard childhood. Whatever. So did just about everyone else in Salem. Nicole was an unrepentant gold-digging slut for years. And it's not about the number of people she slept with, but almost every time she got in bed with someone it was for personal gain instead of love.

Point out that you didn't buy Sami's transformation from whiny, self absorbed brat to savior of the Bradys and you'll get a thousand little bowing smilies, but God forbid you got weren't on board when the "Redemption Express" train came to town to pick up Nicole.

Back on topic- I like Rafe okay, but not enough to care that he gets stabbed. They're really getting lax on the WP rules. He'll fit in well with the SPD when this storyline is over.
i'm sorry, but seeing your mom boinking another man on a conference table is a far cry from being repeatedly raped by other men at your father's behest. maybe i'm biased, but i can't think of a character in recent history that suffered the abuse that nicole did growing up.

also, it's not that i don't buy sami's redemption, it's that i don't like who she has become since. instead of the scheming gal who went after what she wanted, we now have a sami that whines and cries all the time. i also feel that if nicole continues to suffer from over-exposure like sami did for over two years, you'll hear most everyone calling for a break from her. she's not even been on the show for a year now, so i'm not sick of her yet. i think the biggest reason i can attest to the difference is that i was always a fan of BOTH sami and nicole. but sami's regression into whininess, along with her multiple pregnancies and almost constant front-burner status for the past two years has made me dislike her. a lot.

perhaps this is totally unfair of me to say, but i dislike her even more now that she has admitted that her pregnancy was written into the show to make things easier on everyone else. i am not saying it was her decision, but it irritates me to no end that we have to suffer through this awful WP s/l and another child on the way all because she is pregnant in real life. i admit that that makes me dislike her all the more, but i can also admit that might not be fair.

i also don't see that nicole has been redeemed or even close. she has always been presented to us as a somewhat sympathetic character since JER penned her storyline with the death of her father. however, unlike sami, she is still able to scheme and do less-than-honest things while still garnering sympathy from the audience. the writers have not been able, in my opinion, to strike that balance with sami's character.
Oh, come on now. Sami's watched her whole family get terrorized by Stefano for decades. Her parents have died numerous times, and I won't even list all the stuff that happened during her feud with the Roberts family during which she was still a teen. Neither one of them had a cake-walk of a childhood.

Your point about what Sami turned into is exactly how I felt about what happened with Nicole earlier this summer. They took the good, interesting flaws away, and left behind a whiny shell, or "the softer side" if you're a fan of her change. I was thrilled to hear that she was pulling a gun on someone. I just might get my scheming, selfish, Nicole back. I felt the same way about Sami becoming a heroine and weeping all the time. I don't want these characters redeemed into bland, lesser versions of Hope and Marlena.

LOL, Mason I don't begrudge you or anyone else a chance to complain about Sami. I'm a Sami fan and get sick of her whining too. I want my chance to complain about the route Nicole is taking too, though.
i'm talking about nicole's childhood, i.e., under the age of fifteen. i don't remember sami having any traumatizing childhood memories, and if she does, she never brings them up. as far as her feud with lucas and kate, she brought a lot of that on herself. it's not that i don't sympathize with sami, i do. but you can't compare her childhood to nicole's, or anyone else's either, for that matter. yea, sami's parents died a few times. they also returned from the dead just as many times, and they have been nothing but pretty much supportive of her, except when she was destroying others' lives. nicole's mom disappeared, and she had to shoot her own father when he tried to rape her. we will have to agree to disagree on this one, because no one can convince me that sami had it worse than nicole.

i don't have a problem with either sami or nicole being written sympathetically. what i do have a problem with is their characters being massacred to redeem them. they never went that way with nicole, which is evident with her storyline right now. sami, on the other hand, is unrecognizable.
Nicole wasn't in porn when she was under the age of fifteen, which is what you brought up after quoting my post about her childhood. Nor did she shoot Paul when she was under the age of fifteen, so I'm not sure when we were supposed to be talking exclusively about her early years. I never said Sami had it worse than Nicole, but she did not have a great or even good childhood, and her parents haven't been all that supportive of her. We know Sami was traumatized by what happened with her parents. She mentioned it, then hoped Allie wouldn't end up the same way. We know Stefano traumatized her due to her fears for Johnny and the baby on the way. Is being forced into porn magnitudes worse than being kidnapped, the pain of mourning your parents death three or four times apiece, lethal injection etc.? If it is in your book, then yes, we'll need to agree to disagree.

We'll also need to agree to disagree about the way the change in Nicole was handled.

Also, since when did Faye disappear?


per her last stint on the show, nicole told us that she was forced to do those locker room lolita flicks before she reached her teen years and through them.

faye left town after she had a brief fling/flirtation with abe, i think. i know it was around the time brandon left. plus, per nicole's conversation with brady last week, i guess we're to assume that faye either wasn't around when nicole was a child, or was a horrific mother.

IIRC, Nicole was put into those movies in her late teens. If others remember her saying she was in those movies before she was a teen, then I'll retract that part of my post, but your recollection doesn't mesh with mine. As for Faye, I thought you meant disappeared as in "missing". I don't think they even said what happened to her. For all we know, she's in town, but unseen and unmentioned like Steve's parents, Laura Horton etc.
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Dec 5 2008, 04:38 PM
faye left town after she had a brief fling/flirtation with abe, i think. i know it was around the time brandon left. plus, per nicole's conversation with brady last week, i guess we're to assume that faye either wasn't around when nicole was a child, or was a horrific mother.

Fay was around but she didn't know what Paul did to Nicole untill Nicole showed her the tape.
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Wow! This thread has been fun and all :huh: but let's look on the bright side.

There isn't much going on as far as big storylines and all (where da hell is Nick??) so here we got 5 people in a storyline that alot of people seem to get heated about...and it isn't looking good for anyone.

Nicole is going to hang herself soon enough. Lying to EJ, lying to Stefano, blackmailing doctors, lying to all of her friends, drugging Brady and getting desperate. So all those Nicole haters should be glad that she is totally fucking up and returning to her bitch ways. This is not going to end well for Nicole.

As a result, EJ should be going back to bad ass EJ and just might go all Dimera on Nicole. This might not be pretty.
If Ej doesn't do it, then Steffie will. Again, won't end well for Nicole. And really, nobody can feel too sorry for her.

Sami, too, is lying to EJ, but at least if EJ/Steffie won't forgive her, she has an ally in Rafe.

Not sure what is going to happen to Brady, but I have a feeling that he will be Nicole's only friend when all hell breaks loose.

This is exciting...because we really don't know what is going to happen, and there will be lots of buildup and lots of consequences.

So miou - I know that this isn't the best story Days has seen, but really, I don't find it the worst, and while your St. Nicole may be garnering EJ's attention now, I have a feeling it will be a much different attention very soon...and not in a good way.

I don't want to fight the "what character sucks the worst" fight. While they all aren't impressing me, this is MY show and I am really doing my best to enjoy it while it lasts...which won't be very long. While EJ isn't being his smartest at present, I woe the day when EJ is no more.
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Dec 5 2008, 05:28 PM
Wow! This thread has been fun and all :huh: but let's look on the bright side.

There isn't much going on as far as big storylines and all (where da hell is Nick??) so here we got 5 people in a storyline that alot of people seem to get heated about...and it isn't looking good for anyone.

Nicole is going to hang herself soon enough. Lying to EJ, lying to Stefano, blackmailing doctors, lying to all of her friends, drugging Brady and getting desperate. So all those Nicole haters should be glad that she is totally fucking up and returning to her bitch ways. This is not going to end well for Nicole.

As a result, EJ should be going back to bad ass EJ and just might go all Dimera on Nicole. This might not be pretty.
If Ej doesn't do it, then Steffie will. Again, won't end well for Nicole. And really, nobody can feel too sorry for her.

Sami, too, is lying to EJ, but at least if EJ/Steffie won't forgive her, she has an ally in Rafe.

Not sure what is going to happen to Brady, but I have a feeling that he will be Nicole's only friend when all hell breaks loose.

This is exciting...because we really don't know what is going to happen, and there will be lots of buildup and lots of consequences.

So miou - I know that this isn't the best story Days has seen, but really, I don't find it the worst, and while your St. Nicole may be garnering EJ's attention now, I have a feeling it will be a much different attention very soon...and not in a good way.

I don't want to fight the "what character sucks the worst" fight. While they all aren't impressing me, this is MY show and I am really doing my best to enjoy it while it lasts...which won't be very long. While EJ isn't being his smartest at present, I woe the day when EJ is no more.
:iagree: good post!
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Dec 3 2008, 11:58 AM
I really hate this story. It was a huge mistake to isolate Sami so early. They should have either kept her in Salem for awhile or, better yet, rested the character for a few months. As for Rafe, I don't care in the slightest what happens to him. And it's laughable that Sami is all upset about losing EJ to Nicole. She had a million chances and rebuffed him constantly, never saying a word about being in love with him. Other characters told her she loved EJ--or had "feelings" for him--but it never came from Sami directly. If she loved him, she would have told him about this baby and worked with him to protect the new baby AND Johnny.
There is so much WORD to this post, I don't have enough room to write it as many times as I want. Unless there is a remarkable tie-in to Nicole's story later, or a tie-in to Stefano (like Ron C. from OLTL does with his stories connecting to each other), it was a wasted story. Why not have Sami find out she's pregnant and retreat to a convent to begin with if the plan was to have Nicole uniwittingly adopt Sami's baby? Why involve this whole safe house crap? Point A to Point B. Direct, simple, and would have accomplished the same thing.

There could have been a great tie-in with the mayor being murdered and a story with Abe winning, but since Abe won, that's pretty well been dropped. It SEEMS that the writers are trying for ripple-effect writing, but it's not working. Plus, any residual ripple effect storyline that they might want to do (for instance, if this does involve Abe or Stefano) should have been done by now. They wait too long, and it loses its impact.

Story resolution, like comedy, needs good timing.
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Dec 3 2008, 03:28 PM
E.J. and Sami, at one time, had enormous potential. But that ship has long since sailed, IMO.
Amen. They blew it. I don't think too many people care, and if they went that way again, it would be like trying to shove something apparently a lot of viewers are tired of right down their throats. We have the DiMera-Brady connection, or did with Colleen and Santo, and it rewrote John Black's already vague history.
Besides, what's the big deal about last names? Let's deal with personalities. Nicole (like Sami could have been) is a bad girl that EJ can see right through, but understands. Of course, it seems like they blew THAT possibility, too.
Besides, with them watering down Stefano to the point that he's more of an overly anxious, domineering granddaddy-to-be that a tough, domineering VILLAIN, the whole DiMera-Brady thing is moot anyway. Its impact is gone. The whole story of the feud (poor as it was) has been revealed, and there's nothing left to explore.
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Dec 3 2008, 03:28 PM
E.J. and Sami, at one time, had enormous potential. But that ship has long since sailed, IMO.
The pairing of EJ and Sami could have been the golden ticket back to the top of the ratings had it been written correctly. The angst could have been endless, the twistiness of storyline could have been weaved into a beautiful forbidden lovestory. EJ could have been the good DiMera who fell in love with the very bad Brady. The feuding famlies could have done everything to keep them apart ... Stefano and Marlena who are now mutual grandparents of their children could have gone toe to toe .... John being a DiMera is a great twist and he and his step brother could have taken this feud to a new level ....
I agree about the EJ-Sami story potential. The actors have great chemistry and I think Sami and EJ will forever be bound together because of their history and children. Personally, I just can't get past that infamous night in the car. I can see Sami being drawn to EJ's dark side, I can see her seeing parts of herself in him. I just can't wrap my head around her actually being in love with him. I can't see them being all romantic with each other. I want them in a story together, but romance, for me at least, it just makes Sami seem more twisted than EJ.

Down the road, a Nicole, EJ, Sami, Rafe quad would rock. I don't want Sami and EJ away from each other, but I also don't want them as some sappy supercouple
When Hogan decided to go with that scene I wrote a post that suggested that Hogan just gave us the scene that will kill the ratings ... it would be a ratings killer ... Days went from a 2.5 rating to a 1.9 rating in 9 weeks after that scene. I think that Hogan knew as did others that they had to stop the ratings slide - he screwed up! The green wedding and the prep for the green wedding including a terrorizing EJ was a ratings bust. Late March and early April the production went dark - they did some rewrites - they brought back Joe to play Stefano and they came up with Santeen which was to allow Ali and James to work together in a romantic s/l because they screwed it up with that Dec 29th scene. The Santeen s/l was suppose to be shorter and it also had a different ending but the network was getting some very positive feedback about this s/l that they wanted it to be longer - because of that the s/l which was supposed to have been that Santo was killed by a bomb that was planted in the toy truck by Pete Brady developed into this longer storyline about Santo wife and Colleen supposed suicide. Days writer's are still haunted by that stupid ill conceived Dec 29th scene. EJ and Sami had been and still may be the best possible lovestory. There are many fans that still want to see it happen and had it not been for that stupid scene and had they written EJ and Sami's story correctly I think Days would have maintained their ratings and Days would not be in the trouble they are in now!
Sorry but this is fanbase propaganda at it's finest.
how so ... this came from TC! - he is the one who wrote Santeen!
I can't speak for Sindacco, but in my opinion it's propaganda to say that ratings would never have dropped had EJ and Sami been written to be a love story. Not only can it never be proved, at this point it's simply wishful thinking, IMO. I used to be an EJami fan and then I got royally sick of Sami and my perception that she wasn't denying love for EJ; she just didn't love him, period. I saw the original chemistry fade to nothingness and EJ was rewritten as a groveling lapdog nanny so he could be "good enough" for Sami. I actually hated EJ and found him physically unattractive for basically almost the first half of 2008, until he started spending time with Nicole.

I realize opinions vary about this, but for me, the EJami ship sailed a long time ago, as it did for many viewers. I just don't see the point of speculating what might have happened to the ratings if 12/29 never happened.
Paxton......you rock. :hail:
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I have to disagree I think EJ and Sami were written very well up to the 4th of July elevator sex scene .... There was this attraction, the glances, the mere touches .... The fireside scene after EJ turned on Stefano. When EJ held Sami as she cried about her Shawn's death, I thought the cabin scenes were wonderful, EJ with Johnny and becoming a father, EJ becoming his own man away from Stefano's influence, their angst with Mr. Burke and immigration and then Sami's jealousy over Nicole. The forgiveness scene and then their lovemaking scene which is one of the best love scenes I have ever seen and then EJ drunk scene in the foyer....

I think the first part of 2008 was pretty good - the second half not so much.
With all due respect, that's your opinion as an EJami fan, to which you are of course entitled. I found all of EJami interaction in 2008 to be first boring and then proceeding into unwatchable. I've loathed Sami for months. I gave the EJami sex scenes a chance and thought they were terrible. I see no chemistry between them at all whereas I see abundant chemistry between EJ and Nicole. Chemistry is subjective and we like what we like; my only point is that opinions do in fact differ on this subject and it isn't a given that all or even the majority of the audience would love to see EJami together romantically or that they would have been the love story to end all love stories had 12/29 never happened.
I agree that it is subjective we like what we like ... While you think that EJAMI is boring I don't care for Ejole because I don't care for wam bam thank you mam sex that takes place on a dirty elevator floor and begins with the man yelling out some other women's name while having sex. I will however say that I don't think that Ejole was entirely boring or that they totally lack chemistry .... I think they are quite entertaining when they are both drunk - comical even! I don't care for Ejole in their current form however - talk about boring! Ejole get more boring by the second. But like you say opinions differ and that's ok - we like what we like! I don't think you are wrong in your opinion - they just differ from mine.

I really am an EJ fan first and an EJAMI fan second - there was a time when I wasn't an ejami fan, the writing was just so bad and I did not like Sami at all and I thought to give Ejole a chance - but I don't think that ejole in the long run will be the best story. A DiMera and a Walker lovestory IMO does not have longevity and now that Sami is having another DiMera baby and Nicole can't conceive I'm more certain of that then I was before. A DiMera and A Brady IMO is the better lovestory!
Car sex is better?
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When I first read the title, I thought it said, "Rafe stabs Sami!" I was like WTF??? I did not see that coming!
That would certainly be a hell of a LOT more interesting!
And could you blame him? :P
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Ah, the old Ejami/Lumi debates, only with a new name.......in a few months, will it even MATTER??
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Dec 4 2008, 02:21 PM
^to me it has been the highlight of the show!

You are on a roll with the EJ and Nicole hate today, cj. Having a rough day?
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E.J. lost his balls long before Nicole came into the picture.
Nope I'm pretty sure he lost them in the elevator! Along with his Brain!
Nah, I don't think so...
I would agree with your assessment, Mason.
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And if you're 90% of the rest of the fans here, Sami suffers the brunt. There were countless posts about how Sami should have a miscarriage, or hoping she'd have a long rest during AS's maternity leave, or saying she's whiny and self centered.
Can you blame us? We've had to suffer through Sami's obnoxious whining and crying being front and center for almost two years now.
Mason, you're batting 1000 in this thread.

I've noticed it on other boards, too. Many Days posters (INCLUDING some former EJami fans) are sick of Sami. Based on what I noticed, quite a few Ejami fans were already getting a little worn BEFORE Nicole ever came on the scene. The whole writing and glitterizing and personality changes for both Sami and EJ to force them to fit a mold made people tired. Then, you double that with Santeen (actually, I enjoyed them more than Ejami), and it was too much.
EJole, for a lot of people, is refreshing. Of course, it's in the process of getting ruined, too, so I guess anti-Nicole folks can rejoice in that. The thing is, quite a few people JUST DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS about Ejami anymore. They're burned out. So, Ejole sinks. If they go back to Ejami, I suspect there will only be a clustered few who hang on just cause they want their couple, regardless. So, all the stammering and stuttering and spitting and saying this is the way it was meant to be ain't gonna mean jack shit if most people JUST DON'T CARE. Burn out. When a ship has sailed, let the friggin' thing sail.

Unfortunately, it seems like they might already be blowing it with a new opportunity for Rafe and Sami, too, by boring people already. I rarely fast-forward, even stuff I don't like, and I found myself fast forwarding them a couple of weeks ago.

Finally, I think a lot of people feel, regardless of the writing, Nicole is preferable over Sami because Arianne Zucker is kicking ass in her acting. There's variety and realness there. Allison, not so much. Sami shrieks. Sami cries, and cries the same way. I don't know what's going on, but the acting, for me, is not there. I rarely see anyone, even a Nicole detractor, comment that Ari's acting is bad. She's spinning shit into gold.

And now, Rafe is stabbed and Sami is in danger, and too many people just don't give a damn. Sami is going to end up like her mom and early years Hope and those other damsels in distress..........in danger one too many times and the MAN has to save them. When are these writers gonna kick with the 21st century and realize that maybe the WOMAN can do the saving? That's what I love about current Hope. When she's on. SHE does the saving. SHE kicks the ass. Maybe I'd like Sami a lot more if she didn't need saving and protecting. She needs to save her energy by not yapping and yelling so much and go kick SOME ROYAL ASS, MAN!

<end of rant>
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I have been sick of Sami since... forever. I have hated her ever since I started to watch Days, I have never felt so much hatred for a fictional character as I do for her. There is absolutely nothing about her to like. What makes me even more angry is that several of my favorites have been put in the same storylines as her. Victor, Brandon, Franco, Stefano, Kate, Nicole, Lexie.

And Sami is one of the few characters that have been on frontburner ever since I started to watch the 1994 episodes. The only time Sami has been backburned was May - October 2001. Four months in 15 years. Even when she's pregnant she get stories. The first time she did voiceover and now she's pre-taping. I can't take it anymore, it's torture! ENOUGH!
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