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GL Invites Bloggers to Visit the Set of GL...; ...on GL/Telenext Media's Dime!
Topic Started: Dec 12 2008, 03:08 PM (1,566 Views)
jane1978


IHeartDRRick
Dec 13 2008, 01:23 PM
King
Dec 13 2008, 12:55 PM
I couldn't disagree more. I hope DAYS Never, ever uses this method EVER.

I don't expect them too. Every show but GL has realized this is a monumental failure.
I would love for DAYS to do more location shoots and even try to rebuild/repair Salem Place, so they can use that huge shopping center again. But I would never want them to sink to PGP/Telenext Media's lows by using those terrible student film cameras.

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I hope DAYS will try the same production model eventually. Using digital cameras and real sets doesnīt mean the scenes have to be jumpy and the scripts disjointed. You can still use the classic three camera way of shooting and keep experienced camera guys and editors, and still save millions just for the electricity bills.

DAYS sets looks like some old Hollywood movie studio. Everything is outdated, everything is huge and demanding, and there is so many asistants and staff people and technicians. Itīs really not needed anymore. Nowadays all what you need is a few computers, some AVID software and HDD cameras.


This would be great for an internet show or for something on the Sundance Channel or even MTV. But DAYS would be embarrassing themselves even more if they abandoned the three wall sets, the control rooms, the directors booth, all in some last ditch effort to save the genre and save the shows.

King is right: GL is a laughingstock all over the industry.
It might be a laughingstock but the laughingstock is still profitable with 1,3-1,5 ratings. And thatīs all what counts at the end.

Besides, everybody knows GL went overboard with the changes. They didnīt change just the production model, they wanted to change the look and feel of the show too. Made it more reality or docusoap like. And that was a huge mistake.

But control booths, director booths, cardboard sets and hundrets of flood lamps is not what makes a soap. Itīs not so long ago professional photographers couldnīt imagine a good picture could be done without huge old fashioned reflex camera, expensive sensitive film and hours spend in a red room. Now, they are winning the PRESS photo awards just using a small digital hand cameras. You cannot stop the evolution. Soaps look outdated, are produced outdated way and will never get a mainstream attention again without updating into 21 century.
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I don't really agree that soaps look outdated, but if so, going with that opinion, I would rather them look outdated than look amateurish and embarassing. Seriously, GL looks like it's straight out of a film school class. I don't consider it cutting edge or evolved at all.
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jane1978
Dec 14 2008, 06:50 PM
But control booths, director booths, cardboard sets and hundrets of flood lamps is not what makes a soap.
You're absolutely right. That's not what makes a soap. What someone considers soap is very subjective. We're talking about the way soaps are billed and produced.

Jane(and anyone else interested), I want you to take a look at this if you haven't already. This is the show I've been referring to in the entire thread so far. It aired this week and this is an edit of all the scenes with Dinah and Shayne from the 12/09/08 episode. If you are interested in watching the full episode, please humor yourself with going to CBS.com to watch it.



Nevermind the snoozeworthy story. Just take a look at what is going on.

Do you see anything wrong with this? Throughout this whole episode, it's snowing and raining and the shots are mixed. The rain does not lead into the snow...according to GL, it can rain and snow at the same time. In the studio shots, you don't see precipitation outside of the Company building nor do you hear the rain falling when they're all inside the building.

Also, why are all of these people standing for this wedding instead of being seated in chairs? Why does it look like they are in line for lunch? If GL supposedly has four-walled sets, why are we only seeing three of them?

This is the epic fail right here. Ellen Wheeler has had a consistent year on-air to work these kinks out, get this shit together and she insist on being trigger happy and shoot anything without careful thought or consideration. This episode is the perfect example. Why wouldn't producers schedule tape dates that were weather friendly? Have they not heard of the 10-Day Forecast on Weather.com? They know how to use the internet; that's how they know to contact all the internet bloggers.

Or, if you insisted on shooting in Peapack in unpredictable weather that may/may not include snow, why not tape all the stuff you shoot in the rain and then when it snows, tape all the stuff in a way where you can't see the snow, then dropping in sound effects for the rain in post-production? This is simple, simple stuff that anyone with Final Cut or even iMovie would know to do. But, you mean to tell me a woman who has spent almost her entire adult life in front of and behind the camera wouldn't have the slightest inkling to do this? Or is she too busy crying to New York Magazine and anyone who will listen about how "We shouldn't be on the air."?

Even if it wasn't a whole lot of money to fly Roger, Bibel, Fairman, and anyone else interested to Peapack to visit the sets, why would she waste company money on (what I perceive to be) a pity party when she could be using the funds to buy better field cameras, HD-friendly cameras even? She could use that money to pay her interns...I mean..."editing team"...to spend a few extra hours on iMovie/Final Cut cutting and pasting this a little better.

I'm not saying Ellen Wheeler doesn't care about soaps. But she needs to pay more attention to detail and learn how to use the money she's spending! If it's going to be low budget, aim high. Don't settle, damnit! Make the show look the best you can. And that includes continuity.(And this goes for other soaps too, not just GL).

I used to have so much respect for Ellen Wheeler and what her team was doing at GL. I suspended disbelief when everyone was living at the Beacon, shopping and eating on Main Street, and going to Tiki Torch Hospital. But I can't make any allowances for this mess. The time for pity and excuses are up.

No one wants to keep soaps in the past, Jane. Several attempts have been and are still being made to make the soap look less dated. But fans have always resisted a format/production change, because they are simply used to the way they have viewed their daytime dramas for years.
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jane1978


IHeartDRRick
Dec 15 2008, 06:27 AM
jane1978
Dec 14 2008, 06:50 PM
But control booths, director booths, cardboard sets and hundrets of flood lamps is not what makes a soap.
You're absolutely right. That's not what makes a soap. What someone considers soap is very subjective. We're talking about the way soaps are billed and produced.

Jane(and anyone else interested), I want you to take a look at this if you haven't already. This is the show I've been referring to in the entire thread so far. It aired this week and this is an edit of all the scenes with Dinah and Shayne from the 12/09/08 episode. If you are interested in watching the full episode, please humor yourself with going to CBS.com to watch it.



Nevermind the snoozeworthy story. Just take a look at what is going on.

Do you see anything wrong with this? Throughout this whole episode, it's snowing and raining and the shots are mixed. The rain does not lead into the snow...according to GL, it can rain and snow at the same time. In the studio shots, you don't see precipitation outside of the Company building nor do you hear the rain falling when they're all inside the building.

Also, why are all of these people standing for this wedding instead of being seated in chairs? Why does it look like they are in line for lunch? If GL supposedly has four-walled sets, why are we only seeing three of them?

This is the epic fail right here. Ellen Wheeler has had a consistent year on-air to work these kinks out, get this shit together and she insist on being trigger happy and shoot anything without careful thought or consideration. This episode is the perfect example. Why wouldn't producers schedule tape dates that were weather friendly? Have they not heard of the 10-Day Forecast on Weather.com? They know how to use the internet; that's how they know to contact all the internet bloggers.

Or, if you insisted on shooting in Peapack in unpredictable weather that may/may not include snow, why not tape all the stuff you shoot in the rain and then when it snows, tape all the stuff in a way where you can't see the snow, then dropping in sound effects for the rain in post-production? This is simple, simple stuff that anyone with Final Cut or even iMovie would know to do. But, you mean to tell me a woman who has spent almost her entire adult life in front of and behind the camera wouldn't have the slightest inkling to do this? Or is she too busy crying to New York Magazine and anyone who will listen about how "We shouldn't be on the air."?

Even if it wasn't a whole lot of money to fly Roger, Bibel, Fairman, and anyone else interested to Peapack to visit the sets, why would she waste company money on (what I perceive to be) a pity party when she could be using the funds to buy better field cameras, HD-friendly cameras even? She could use that money to pay her interns...I mean..."editing team"...to spend a few extra hours on iMovie/Final Cut cutting and pasting this a little better.

I'm not saying Ellen Wheeler doesn't care about soaps. But she needs to pay more attention to detail and learn how to use the money she's spending! If it's going to be low budget, aim high. Don't settle, damnit! Make the show look the best you can. And that includes continuity.(And this goes for other soaps too, not just GL).

I used to have so much respect for Ellen Wheeler and what her team was doing at GL. I suspended disbelief when everyone was living at the Beacon, shopping and eating on Main Street, and going to Tiki Torch Hospital. But I can't make any allowances for this mess. The time for pity and excuses are up.

No one wants to keep soaps in the past, Jane. Several attempts have been and are still being made to make the soap look less dated. But fans have always resisted a format/production change, because they are simply used to the way they have viewed their daytime dramas for years.
Thanks a lot for the clip. Iīm not living in the States so Iīm not able to watch GL. And yes, you and everyone, this is horrible. There are some really basic mistakes visible, from the disorienting camera angles to the continuity between shots any trained director/editor would never allowed.

I donīt want DAYS or any show to look this way, donīt make me wrong. All Iīm saying things are evolving and it is possible to create normal looking soap using more technical effective and cost efficient styles of shooting.
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sungrey


RogerNewcomb
Dec 12 2008, 10:04 PM
daysfan
Dec 12 2008, 10:01 PM
As Mason sorta said, what set is there to even VISIT? GL has no set, just its fields, cars, and barns. :P
Guiding Light now has more sets than any other soap.
But we don't SEE these sets!

What we see is every scene having to take place outdoors. In the woods. In a random field. In snow... wait one second, no it's raining... hold on here, in the next scene it's sunny...

What happened last week wasn't being different. Pardon my French... it was being pure fucking sloppy. That tells me no one gives a shit on this show about continuity. Not story continuity, just the simple continuity from scene to scene. Viewers notice this... I seem to recall a few years ago on ATWT a scene was written where Jack said Emma was out of town but lo and behold she was in that day's episode. It's stuff like that. No one pays attention.

This production model is NOT working. For better or worse, we're stuck with it, because to change back would probably require axing about 3/4 of the cast and hiring more people to work on the show. I'm not foolish enough to think we're ever going to get the wonderful GL back from the 1980s and into the mid 1990s, but we need something better than this.

I can excuse ATWT using a rooftop to talk down a dayplayer; Edge of Night did this a few times in its final years and they used to stage shootouts on the studio roof years ago, all the while with the program being live and on the air. ATWT's model works a lot better; some outside shooting and inside sets. If GL had gone to a hybrid model like this it might have been better well received.

As it is, last week just proves that people are fed up.
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