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DAYS: Promo for wk of 12/22 - UPDATED
Topic Started: Dec 19 2008, 07:39 PM (3,788 Views)
Mason


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Dec 19 2008, 11:08 PM
Why is Max kissing another one of his nieces? That's must-miss TV for me. EJ and Nicole look good though.
E.J. and Nicole are probably the only saving grace for this show for me, right now. I just wish their story was more exciting.
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Thanks for posting Angie

Looks like no surprises for the new year - same old s/l no twist yet - I guess they are not going to highlight Sami and Rafe - Hilda getting killed seems like the most interesting plot twist they have got going. I understand they don't have to set things up this year in January for Feb Sweeps since Sweeps is in March this year but I expected more on the John and Marlena front since they are leaving soon. I hope they don't short change Marlena and John. I looks like they are continuing the EJ is a whipped puppy storyline. The proposal is even wimpy and cliche. Down on one knee in the DiMera mansion drawing room come on I thought Lucas proposing to Chloe in the park was more original than that. Makes you wonder if EJ will be pouting again when Nicole tells him he can't share her bed even after he gives her that big rock. I bet Nicole pawns the thing and tells EJ she lost it ... this is Nicole after all!
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Dec 19 2008, 07:41 PM
Daniel/Chloe? Max/Chelsea?

Is this REALLY supposed to make people want to watch, on Christmas week, no less? LoL
Why not? This atleast feels fresh and like the show really moved on. New couples, new stories, new era.

I think having the same people in the promo for twenty years still not able to reunite is not exactly the best way how to lure in new viewers.

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Dec 20 2008, 08:37 AM
Mason
Dec 19 2008, 07:41 PM
Daniel/Chloe? Max/Chelsea?

Is this REALLY supposed to make people want to watch, on Christmas week, no less? LoL
Why not? This atleast feels fresh and like the show really moved on. New couples, new stories, new era.

I think having the same people in the promo for twenty years still not able to reunite is not exactly the best way how to lure in new viewers.

I think it's almost impossible to lure in new viewers at this point. Life is too busy for most people to devote 5 hours a week to one television show, regardless of how well-written it is. Not to mention that people can find much more sophisticated storytelling elsewhere these days, because Lord knows 95% of the material daytime has to offer is a bunch of stale garbage.

The best chance they have at any kind of success is wooing back lapsed viewers from the past who have find memories of John/Marlena, Bo/Hope, etc. The vast majority of viewers -- even the new viewers -- have no interest in Daniel/Chloe or any of the other gag-o-licious new pairings.
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Dec 20 2008, 09:46 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 08:37 AM
Mason
Dec 19 2008, 07:41 PM
Daniel/Chloe? Max/Chelsea?

Is this REALLY supposed to make people want to watch, on Christmas week, no less? LoL
Why not? This atleast feels fresh and like the show really moved on. New couples, new stories, new era.

I think having the same people in the promo for twenty years still not able to reunite is not exactly the best way how to lure in new viewers.

I think it's almost impossible to lure in new viewers at this point. Life is too busy for most people to devote 5 hours a week to one television show, regardless of how well-written it is. Not to mention that people can find much more sophisticated storytelling elsewhere these days, because Lord knows 95% of the material daytime has to offer is a bunch of stale garbage.

The best chance they have at any kind of success is wooing back lapsed viewers from the past who have find memories of John/Marlena, Bo/Hope, etc. The vast majority of viewers -- even the new viewers -- have no interest in Daniel/Chloe or any of the other gag-o-licious new pairings.
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.

Just look at the EJ/Nicol/Rafe/Sami/Brady story. Exactly how Higley said. it has so many possible outcomes. And the best thing is I can only quess, while if the same story featured some of the vet supercouple the whole story would be reduced just into frustrating waiting till the truth is revealed and the supercouple reunites.

Replaying the same story with the same characters for 20 years is not the best kind of entertaiment. Jarlena were fighting to be together 15 years ago. Do you honestly think someone will tune in to the show if she/he sees a promo where they STILL arenīt together? For me it just show how worthless and pointless watching the show is.

Edited by jane1978, Dec 20 2008, 10:35 AM.
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O M F G! Max and Chelsea!!!! :D

I have to go watch again, and again and again! WOHO!
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jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 10:27 AM
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.

Just look at the EJ/Nicol/Rafe/Sami/Brady story. Exactly how Higley said. it has so many possible outcomes. And the best thing is I can only quess, while if the same story featured some of the vet supercouple the whole story would be reduced just into frustrating waiting till the truth is revealed and the supercouple reunites.

Replaying the same story with the same characters for 20 years is not the best kind of entertaiment. Jarlena were fighting to be together 15 years ago. Do you honestly think someone will tune in to the show if she/he sees a promo where they STILL arenīt together? For me it just show how worthless and pointless watching the show is.

First, I completely disagree that the vets are "played and done." As long as the audience still likes them and responds to them, there's still gold to mine. It just takes a creative and capable writer to make it happen and weave the stories.

As for Higley writing stories with "so many possible outcomes," I think we're just watching the show differently. What you see as a flexible story, I see as a directionless mess with no vision or clear story path. Just the fact that you described it as the "EJ/Nicole/Rafe/Sami/Brady story" shows what a clustered, screwed up mess it all is. For me, anyway.

As for the new characters... different strokes. I'm not a big fan. If you are, that's great. I'm happy for you, LoL.
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jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 10:27 AM
Kenny
Dec 20 2008, 09:46 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 08:37 AM
Mason
Dec 19 2008, 07:41 PM
Daniel/Chloe? Max/Chelsea?

Is this REALLY supposed to make people want to watch, on Christmas week, no less? LoL
Why not? This atleast feels fresh and like the show really moved on. New couples, new stories, new era.

I think having the same people in the promo for twenty years still not able to reunite is not exactly the best way how to lure in new viewers.

I think it's almost impossible to lure in new viewers at this point. Life is too busy for most people to devote 5 hours a week to one television show, regardless of how well-written it is. Not to mention that people can find much more sophisticated storytelling elsewhere these days, because Lord knows 95% of the material daytime has to offer is a bunch of stale garbage.

The best chance they have at any kind of success is wooing back lapsed viewers from the past who have find memories of John/Marlena, Bo/Hope, etc. The vast majority of viewers -- even the new viewers -- have no interest in Daniel/Chloe or any of the other gag-o-licious new pairings.
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.
I'm not sure how Chex or Daniel/Chloe qualify as "new romances". The former is a rehash of a failed pairing and the latter is like a bad porn movie.
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Oh god.....the promos. To me no one is who they should be with. What the hell....Daniel and Chloe? Max and Chelsea? I want Daniel and Chelsea back together and put Max back with Stephanie. Dear god...I feel like I am watching a parallel universe...I feel like I am Alice and I have stumbled through the looking glass where everything is just messed up and bizarre. I want back in on the other side!!
Edited by angelatil, Dec 20 2008, 11:07 AM.
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angelatil
Dec 20 2008, 11:01 AM
Oh god.....the promos. To me no one is who they should be with. What the hell....Daniel and Chloe? Max and Chelsea? I want Daniel and Chelsea back together and put Max back with Stephanie. Dear god...I feel like I am watchign a parallel universe...looking through the looking glass...I want back in on the other side!!
Eh... Daniel, Chelsea, Max, Chloe... personally, I think they all suck together, no matter what the combination, LoL.
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Dec 20 2008, 10:46 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 10:27 AM
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.

Just look at the EJ/Nicol/Rafe/Sami/Brady story. Exactly how Higley said. it has so many possible outcomes. And the best thing is I can only quess, while if the same story featured some of the vet supercouple the whole story would be reduced just into frustrating waiting till the truth is revealed and the supercouple reunites.

Replaying the same story with the same characters for 20 years is not the best kind of entertaiment. Jarlena were fighting to be together 15 years ago. Do you honestly think someone will tune in to the show if she/he sees a promo where they STILL arenīt together? For me it just show how worthless and pointless watching the show is.

First, I completely disagree that the vets are "played and done." As long as the audience still likes them and responds to them, there's still gold to mine. It just takes a creative and capable writer to make it happen and weave the stories.

As for Higley writing stories with "so many possible outcomes," I think we're just watching the show differently. What you see as a flexible story, I see as a directionless mess with no vision or clear story path. Just the fact that you described it as the "EJ/Nicole/Rafe/Sami/Brady story" shows what a clustered, screwed up mess it all is. For me, anyway.

As for the new characters... different strokes. I'm not a big fan. If you are, that's great. I'm happy for you, LoL.
Couldn't agree more. Look at a show like the Y&R, which is number one in the ratings. They feature so many vets in front burner stories and it seems to work. Days is just too lazy or talentless (writing wise) to do this. The only thing they can think of to do for vets is to throw in a third party. J&M had the perfect set up for a great story and for some reason they refused to write it.
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Dec 20 2008, 10:47 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 10:27 AM
Kenny
Dec 20 2008, 09:46 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 08:37 AM
Mason
Dec 19 2008, 07:41 PM
Daniel/Chloe? Max/Chelsea?

Is this REALLY supposed to make people want to watch, on Christmas week, no less? LoL
Why not? This atleast feels fresh and like the show really moved on. New couples, new stories, new era.

I think having the same people in the promo for twenty years still not able to reunite is not exactly the best way how to lure in new viewers.

I think it's almost impossible to lure in new viewers at this point. Life is too busy for most people to devote 5 hours a week to one television show, regardless of how well-written it is. Not to mention that people can find much more sophisticated storytelling elsewhere these days, because Lord knows 95% of the material daytime has to offer is a bunch of stale garbage.

The best chance they have at any kind of success is wooing back lapsed viewers from the past who have find memories of John/Marlena, Bo/Hope, etc. The vast majority of viewers -- even the new viewers -- have no interest in Daniel/Chloe or any of the other gag-o-licious new pairings.
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.
I'm not sure how Chex or Daniel/Chloe qualify as "new romances". The former is a rehash of a failed pairing and the latter is like a bad porn movie.
It doesnīt matter. Chex are written as a fresh romance now. I donīt really remember or care what happened 3 years ago when they first tested them together. The only thing I remember is the infamous b***job.

As for Dan/Chloe, sex sells, thatīs nothing new. And thanks god someone at DAYS finally remember that. Couple planning a wedding together while the future wife/husband has the hots for someone else is classic soap and I just love watching all the parts clicking together for the inevitable catastrophe.

IMO, itīs 100 times better than DAYS attempt to pretend itīs a serious dramatic show with the Kateīs cancer storyline. Iīm very much enjoying it from the moment that angle was abandoned.
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jules
Dec 20 2008, 11:02 AM
Couldn't agree more. Look at a show like the Y&R, which is number one in the ratings. They feature so many vets in front burner stories and it seems to work.
Very good point.
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Dec 20 2008, 11:02 AM
Kenny
Dec 20 2008, 10:46 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 10:27 AM
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.

Just look at the EJ/Nicol/Rafe/Sami/Brady story. Exactly how Higley said. it has so many possible outcomes. And the best thing is I can only quess, while if the same story featured some of the vet supercouple the whole story would be reduced just into frustrating waiting till the truth is revealed and the supercouple reunites.

Replaying the same story with the same characters for 20 years is not the best kind of entertaiment. Jarlena were fighting to be together 15 years ago. Do you honestly think someone will tune in to the show if she/he sees a promo where they STILL arenīt together? For me it just show how worthless and pointless watching the show is.

First, I completely disagree that the vets are "played and done." As long as the audience still likes them and responds to them, there's still gold to mine. It just takes a creative and capable writer to make it happen and weave the stories.

As for Higley writing stories with "so many possible outcomes," I think we're just watching the show differently. What you see as a flexible story, I see as a directionless mess with no vision or clear story path. Just the fact that you described it as the "EJ/Nicole/Rafe/Sami/Brady story" shows what a clustered, screwed up mess it all is. For me, anyway.

As for the new characters... different strokes. I'm not a big fan. If you are, that's great. I'm happy for you, LoL.
Couldn't agree more. Look at a show like the Y&R, which is number one in the ratings. They feature so many vets in front burner stories and it seems to work. Days is just too lazy or talentless (writing wise) to do this. The only thing they can think of to do for vets is to throw in a third party. J&M had the perfect set up for a great story and for some reason they refused to write it.
But Y/R is about characters, DAYS about couples. Thatīs something very different. If DAYS fans would allow the show to split the supercouples and pair them with other people their future would be much brighter. But DAYS fans will never allow Hope to fall with EJ, John with Kate, etc. Even Reilly failed.

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jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 11:12 AM
But Y/R is about characters, DAYS about couples. Thatīs something very different. If DAYS fans would allow the show to split the supercouples and pair them with other people their future would be much brighter. But DAYS fans will never allow Hope to fall with EJ, John with Kate, etc. Even Reilly failed.

Well, that's another issue entirely. But still, I'll take the characters and couples I do enjoy over the characters and couples I can't stand anyday, and that's in any capacity.
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Dec 20 2008, 11:03 AM

As for Dan/Chloe, sex sells, thatīs nothing new. And thanks god someone at DAYS finally remember that. Couple planning a wedding together while the future wife/husband has the hots for someone else is classic soap and I just love watching all the parts clicking together for the inevitable catastrophe.


It would be classic soap if someone in the story was sympathetic or rootable. As it is, they've just set up one incredibly superficial couple (Lucas/Chloe) to be destroyed in favor of another even more superficial couple. The story is all plot and no substance.
Edited by Ponz, Dec 20 2008, 12:35 PM.
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GET EM STEPH!!

jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 10:27 AM
Kenny
Dec 20 2008, 09:46 AM
jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 08:37 AM
Mason
Dec 19 2008, 07:41 PM
Daniel/Chloe? Max/Chelsea?

Is this REALLY supposed to make people want to watch, on Christmas week, no less? LoL
Why not? This atleast feels fresh and like the show really moved on. New couples, new stories, new era.

I think having the same people in the promo for twenty years still not able to reunite is not exactly the best way how to lure in new viewers.

I think it's almost impossible to lure in new viewers at this point. Life is too busy for most people to devote 5 hours a week to one television show, regardless of how well-written it is. Not to mention that people can find much more sophisticated storytelling elsewhere these days, because Lord knows 95% of the material daytime has to offer is a bunch of stale garbage.

The best chance they have at any kind of success is wooing back lapsed viewers from the past who have find memories of John/Marlena, Bo/Hope, etc. The vast majority of viewers -- even the new viewers -- have no interest in Daniel/Chloe or any of the other gag-o-licious new pairings.
This something I really donīt agree with. For years now Iīm most interested in the stories for the so called newbies or "B" characters while I usually yawn through the vets. The vets are played and done. I love to watch new romances grow, I love to watch stories when the outcome is not clear, I love to watch characters fighting with the obstacles when the ostacles have a real chance to destroy them.

Just look at the EJ/Nicol/Rafe/Sami/Brady story. Exactly how Higley said. it has so many possible outcomes. And the best thing is I can only quess, while if the same story featured some of the vet supercouple the whole story would be reduced just into frustrating waiting till the truth is revealed and the supercouple reunites.

Replaying the same story with the same characters for 20 years is not the best kind of entertaiment. Jarlena were fighting to be together 15 years ago. Do you honestly think someone will tune in to the show if she/he sees a promo where they STILL arenīt together? For me it just show how worthless and pointless watching the show is.

As usual, we agree.

I'm not going to say I haven't enjoyed any vet stories but most of the time it involves something out of the box as far as Days goes like breaking up a supercouple. john's death last year, for example. Finally you could do something with Marlena after years of her being John's lapdog and they go and reverse it and saddle her with that again. I like J&M but it just goes to show you the major issue with Days and why you can't use the "Look at Y&R, they use their vets and are #1" excuse. Y&R never bought into the same formula. They can breakup couples, have steamy affairs, do business and serious health stories that many Days fans call boring, etc. They can do all that. The writer actually has limitless possibilities. At Days, there isn't and that is why I can't go with the whole premise that all it takes is a "creative" HW. Sorry. Not going to happen. Even if we leave Corday out of the mix, what stories can this HW do that the audience will embrace with these vets that may bring in more audience? I always here people say it can be done. How? What stories? What would be fresh about them?

People ask for supercouple angst. They get it and hate it. Some even panic if the souple even has an argument. People don't want health or social issues stories. They don't like business stories. So, what does that leave? The same romantic adventures, kidnapping plots, etc that these couples have been through for 20+ years. I've watched. I've seen it. i love the vets but unless you can do something new with them (which is never embraced it seems), you aren't going to attract more audience, at least not in the long-term.

People complain about all the "partner swapping" (still don't get that) but the characters are involved in all that are the only ones you can actually do anything with and stir the pot with. You can't with the vets or you would have Armageddon LOL in that you would piss the boards off but also I don't think the ratings will respond to that because I think the audience we see now in the numbers is not dictated as much by the supercouples fans or long-time fans. I think many have already left and that is why I don't see J&M leaving having much of an impact.

Days trying to re-invent J&M with new John was clever because it gave them something fresh, despite the fact that I hated resurrecting him. It worked for awhile but the problem is I don't think the bulk of fans want to see a long- built up love story, especially with a couple who was already together and who the audience knows will end up together. Where's the suspense that comes from not knowing if they will make it? Nowhere because we've been down this road so many times with them and other couples, the fans know the outcome. That is the big issue and why the vets are hard to play. I won't say they are played out because they aren't but they are played out in the sense of what Days can get away with doing with them without being repetitive. I think they could do some things with Steve and Kayla and Tony and Anna but alot of the audience doesn't seem to care about them and that is the show's fault.

Just look at when Days had it's highest ratings. Of course, it did in the 70's but other then that it was when the couples were actually apart. Part of the appeal of the 80's and even the 90's is that even though you knew the rooting couple, you never knew if they would get together. That added to the suspense. That and you knew the story would be followed through. The vision was consistent and clear. No caving to RABID fanbases, no constant changes in direction, no having top assure fans in the mags that so and so will end up together, etc. They told the story and you went along for the ride. Now, most times people aren't even willing to take the ride. I understand the show burned people but no matter who is writing, more and more write things off based on spoilers weeks in advance or on day aheads. Oh how I wish we could back to the 90's where people actually tuned in and then tuned out if they didn't like it.

If people don't like what is going on, that's fine. However, I urge people to go read the scan Jason47 posted in response to me in the J&M tribute thread just to see that this has happened before. The situation in 1993 is almost exactly the same as Days now. Big vets leaving, a canvas in need of retooling, etc. It's eerie and many of the fans upset with the show now remind me of the 90's. People don't realize how many viewers Days alienated in the 80's and 90's. However, they did what they felt they had to do, something they need to do now. They lost fans back then but gained new ones in both eras and I think that is what they are doing again. They know people are unhappy but think this is for the best and I agree with the idea because it's long past time they did something like that. This constant go around of going back to the vets and telling the same stories over and over is not going to work. It may make some boards happy but it won't do a lick for the numbers. That much is proven. Now let's see if the show can actually stick to this plan because with Corday who knows.

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Dec 20 2008, 12:34 PM
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Dec 20 2008, 11:03 AM

As for Dan/Chloe, sex sells, thatīs nothing new. And thanks god someone at DAYS finally remember that. Couple planning a wedding together while the future wife/husband has the hots for someone else is classic soap and I just love watching all the parts clicking together for the inevitable catastrophe.


It would be classic soap if someone in the story was sympathetic or rootable. As it is, they've just set up one incredibly superficial couple (Lucas/Chloe) to be destroyed in favor of another even more superficial couple. The story is all plot and no substance.
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GET EM STEPH!!

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jane1978
Dec 20 2008, 11:03 AM

As for Dan/Chloe, sex sells, thatīs nothing new. And thanks god someone at DAYS finally remember that. Couple planning a wedding together while the future wife/husband has the hots for someone else is classic soap and I just love watching all the parts clicking together for the inevitable catastrophe.


It would be classic soap if someone in the story was sympathetic or rootable. As it is, they've just set up one incredibly superficial couple (Lucas/Chloe) to be destroyed in favor of another even more superficial couple. The story is all plot and no substance.
I see what your saying, Ponz, but I think you'll find that alot of people just don't care. Hell, some people watch soaps and primetime soaps for that kind of thing. They think it's hot and sexy. In these times of people having meaningless sex all over the place and a divorce happening every hour, I doubt this kind of thing turns anyone off. More like the opposite. How many times have people on the boards, in mags, etc complained that soaps get too preachy at times. Society has almost no values or morals now and I think this is a reflection of it. Soaps have progressed into this kind of thing now. I don't agree with it but it's happened because they feel like it's adapting with the times and I see their point. People don't want a lecture either. They don't want to see slow, sweeping romances and would rather see hot, steamy sex. I wish that wasn't the case but I've seen that response from enough people to see why TPTB think that to be the case. I think it's wrong but that's just me.

I won't say I don't enjoy their chemistry though.
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Dec 20 2008, 11:12 AM
But Y/R is about characters, DAYS about couples. Thatīs something very different. If DAYS fans would allow the show to split the supercouples and pair them with other people their future would be much brighter. But DAYS fans will never allow Hope to fall with EJ, John with Kate, etc. Even Reilly failed.

Why? Days has a reputation as a couples show. It's the reason I watch.

But it's a mute point. Days has already turned the page and is the kind of soap I can't stand. Everyone is sleeping with everyone else. No one really commits. There is no true love, no romance...just sex and the canvas is filled with unlikable characters. There are no heroes or heroines. Everyone is interchangeable. And to top it all off, although I am not a fan of Y&R and stopped watching OLTL long ago, they all sound like they at least have solid story telling to back them up. Days doesn't even have that.

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