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SOW: Chloe Spends her Engagement Party with Daniel; Jan 13th issue; Article Summary.
Topic Started: Dec 31 2008, 11:49 AM (4,209 Views)
ladyofthelake
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I'm no Chloe fan, but the one who comes off the worst in this is Daniel. I don't get why they make him a sleezebag without some background explanation.
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Dec 31 2008, 12:37 PM
Bjorlin and Christian should be at the top of any budget cut list.
I'm thinking this is a way to write Chloe out after Lucas finds out what she's done and hopefully she will take Daniel with her.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:04 PM
Sorry, but I think you are too uptight. Chloe and Dan are both adult, very sex driven people, I donīt see anything wrong with this. The show doesnīt pretend Chloe/Dan are the next supercouple or they love each other more than anything. They just want to scr*w each other, it happens. Maybe it will develop into something more, maybe not.

I like this story much more than when Chloe and Lucas tried to pretend they are totally happy and in love after few offscreen weeks together, or when Dan and Chelsea suddenly started to sing love songs about each other. This is pure entertainment, classic "B" movie story about animal attraction between two wrong people and how it eventually destroys them and everybody around. And even if the start was a little rushed and forced for obvious reasons, now when the story is in full swing Iīm very happy with the outcome.

I certainly donīt want every relationship being written that way but there is no reason why donīt explore it sometimes. Nadia and Shawn have ideal looks for a story like that and exactly how Nadia said, "itīs wrong, wrong on so many levels," but IMO entertaining as hell as well, especially when the couple at stake is not a supercouple with a strong fanbase so poor Dena will not get tons of death threats when Lucloe donīt make it to the alter after all.
You think it's right for Daniel to have a relationship with every sick female patient he comes across? And I'm not a Chloe fan, but she wasn't like this until the incarnation. There is no basis or explanation for her to return and suddenly want to sleep with Philip as friends with benefits, or jump into an elevator with Lucas, or have sudden mad hot passionate fantasies with Daniel all of a sudden. If this was consistent with Chloe, it would be one thing. And, I'm not one to be part of couples fanbases or anything like that, but I can see where viewers would want their extreme love scenes for the rootable couples right now? Why would we want to watch gratuitous sex with a couple for whom many of us don't like? If we wanted that, we'd get Pay per view or get on the Internet.

And, for Daniel to be this pervert without getting called on it, like it was the most natural thing in the world? Yes, I think we ARE going to make a deal out of it. It would be one thing if there was this ongoing background story where Daniel has been fired from other hospitals because of this, but because Victor pulled strings or because other hospitals gave him good reviews just to get rid of him. Personally, then I could tolerate this more. Or, if someone started getting suspicious (Kate, maybe?). But, no. Dr. Dan is not only bouncing from girl to grandmother to future daughter-in-law, he's gynecologist, obstetrician, oncologist, pancreaantologist (or whatever the hell), and all round good buddy.

This came across just as fast as the whole Lucas thing, but with one bad caveat: Lucas is many things, but I don't think he's ever been portrayed as a pervert, just someone wanting the perfect woman and not getting lucky at that. Daniel comes across as a pervert who should have his license revoked.

There, is that still too uptight for you?
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jane1978
Dec 31 2008, 01:04 PM
Sorry, but I think you are too uptight. Chloe and Dan are both adult, very sex driven people, I donīt see anything wrong with this. The show doesnīt pretend Chloe/Dan are the next supercouple or they love each other more than anything. They just want to scr*w each other, it happens. Maybe it will develop into something more, maybe not.

I like this story much more than when Chloe and Lucas tried to pretend they are totally happy and in love after few offscreen weeks together, or when Dan and Chelsea suddenly started to sing love songs about each other. This is pure entertainment, classic "B" movie story about animal attraction between two wrong people and how it eventually destroys them and everybody around. And even if the start was a little rushed and forced for obvious reasons, now when the story is in full swing Iīm very happy with the outcome.

I certainly donīt want every relationship being written that way but there is no reason why donīt explore it sometimes. Nadia and Shawn have ideal looks for a story like that and exactly how Nadia said, "itīs wrong, wrong on so many levels," but IMO entertaining as hell as well, especially when the couple at stake is not a supercouple with a strong fanbase so poor Dena will not get tons of death threats when Lucloe donīt make it to the alter after all.
You summed up my feelings too.

I like Lucas and Chloe but the start was forced and most didn't care so why not torpedo something like that? There is no risk as there is no fan favorite couple involved. Hell, if anything, this has take misdirected story and made it interesting. I still think it's an exit vehicle for either Daniel and/or Chloe. I think SC is gone anyway but this is the perfect way to get rid of Chloe too.

Lady, I do agree with you on the whole patient aspect and wish they would actually play that aspect out and have Daniel acknowledge he has a problem. However, I still enjoy the story for what it is. It's classic soap with a reflection on modern times. The medical aspect is disgusting but that only adds to the wrongness of it IMO.
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ladyofthelake
Dec 31 2008, 01:33 PM
jane1978
Dec 31 2008, 01:04 PM
Sorry, but I think you are too uptight. Chloe and Dan are both adult, very sex driven people, I donīt see anything wrong with this. The show doesnīt pretend Chloe/Dan are the next supercouple or they love each other more than anything. They just want to scr*w each other, it happens. Maybe it will develop into something more, maybe not.

I like this story much more than when Chloe and Lucas tried to pretend they are totally happy and in love after few offscreen weeks together, or when Dan and Chelsea suddenly started to sing love songs about each other. This is pure entertainment, classic "B" movie story about animal attraction between two wrong people and how it eventually destroys them and everybody around. And even if the start was a little rushed and forced for obvious reasons, now when the story is in full swing Iīm very happy with the outcome.

I certainly donīt want every relationship being written that way but there is no reason why donīt explore it sometimes. Nadia and Shawn have ideal looks for a story like that and exactly how Nadia said, "itīs wrong, wrong on so many levels," but IMO entertaining as hell as well, especially when the couple at stake is not a supercouple with a strong fanbase so poor Dena will not get tons of death threats when Lucloe donīt make it to the alter after all.
You think it's right for Daniel to have a relationship with every sick female patient he comes across? And I'm not a Chloe fan, but she wasn't like this until the incarnation. There is no basis or explanation for her to return and suddenly want to sleep with Philip as friends with benefits, or jump into an elevator with Lucas, or have sudden mad hot passionate fantasies with Daniel all of a sudden. If this was consistent with Chloe, it would be one thing. And, I'm not one to be part of couples fanbases or anything like that, but I can see where viewers would want their extreme love scenes for the rootable couples right now? Why would we want to watch gratuitous sex with a couple for whom many of us don't like? If we wanted that, we'd get Pay per view or get on the Internet.

And, for Daniel to be this pervert without getting called on it, like it was the most natural thing in the world? Yes, I think we ARE going to make a deal out of it. It would be one thing if there was this ongoing background story where Daniel has been fired from other hospitals because of this, but because Victor pulled strings or because other hospitals gave him good reviews just to get rid of him. Personally, then I could tolerate this more. Or, if someone started getting suspicious (Kate, maybe?). But, no. Dr. Dan is not only bouncing from girl to grandmother to future daughter-in-law, he's gynecologist, obstetrician, oncologist, pancreaantologist (or whatever the hell), and all round good buddy.

This came across just as fast as the whole Lucas thing, but with one bad caveat: Lucas is many things, but I don't think he's ever been portrayed as a pervert, just someone wanting the perfect woman and not getting lucky at that. Daniel comes across as a pervert who should have his license revoked.

There, is that still too uptight for you?
Lady, ICAM. These two individiuals in this circumstance is simply unrootable (is that a word).

Who would root for this pervert who likes immature girls who look likes teenagers, older vamp-like women and other men's girlfriends, all with the commonality of having needed medical treatment and surgery from him?

Who wants to root for a woman who sleeps with her lovers brother and then lusts after her future mother-in-laws boyfriend & medical doctor?

UUUUGHHHHHHH!
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ladyofthelake
Dec 31 2008, 01:33 PM
You think it's right for Daniel to have a relationship with every sick female patient he comes across? And I'm not a Chloe fan, but she wasn't like this until the incarnation. There is no basis or explanation for her to return and suddenly want to sleep with Philip as friends with benefits, or jump into an elevator with Lucas, or have sudden mad hot passionate fantasies with Daniel all of a sudden. If this was consistent with Chloe, it would be one thing. And, I'm not one to be part of couples fanbases or anything like that, but I can see where viewers would want their extreme love scenes for the rootable couples right now? Why would we want to watch gratuitous sex with a couple for whom many of us don't like? If we wanted that, we'd get Pay per view or get on the Internet.

And, for Daniel to be this pervert without getting called on it, like it was the most natural thing in the world? Yes, I think we ARE going to make a deal out of it. It would be one thing if there was this ongoing background story where Daniel has been fired from other hospitals because of this, but because Victor pulled strings or because other hospitals gave him good reviews just to get rid of him. Personally, then I could tolerate this more. Or, if someone started getting suspicious (Kate, maybe?). But, no. Dr. Dan is not only bouncing from girl to grandmother to future daughter-in-law, he's gynecologist, obstetrician, oncologist, pancreaantologist (or whatever the hell), and all round good buddy.

This came across just as fast as the whole Lucas thing, but with one bad caveat: Lucas is many things, but I don't think he's ever been portrayed as a pervert, just someone wanting the perfect woman and not getting lucky at that. Daniel comes across as a pervert who should have his license revoked.
Ladyofthelake, excellent post. I think this story comes off as just sheer porn rather than any type of 'soapy' love or romance, and I think you've done such a good job explaining why.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:38 PM
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Dec 31 2008, 01:04 PM
Sorry, but I think you are too uptight. Chloe and Dan are both adult, very sex driven people, I donīt see anything wrong with this. The show doesnīt pretend Chloe/Dan are the next supercouple or they love each other more than anything. They just want to scr*w each other, it happens. Maybe it will develop into something more, maybe not.

I like this story much more than when Chloe and Lucas tried to pretend they are totally happy and in love after few offscreen weeks together, or when Dan and Chelsea suddenly started to sing love songs about each other. This is pure entertainment, classic "B" movie story about animal attraction between two wrong people and how it eventually destroys them and everybody around. And even if the start was a little rushed and forced for obvious reasons, now when the story is in full swing Iīm very happy with the outcome.

I certainly donīt want every relationship being written that way but there is no reason why donīt explore it sometimes. Nadia and Shawn have ideal looks for a story like that and exactly how Nadia said, "itīs wrong, wrong on so many levels," but IMO entertaining as hell as well, especially when the couple at stake is not a supercouple with a strong fanbase so poor Dena will not get tons of death threats when Lucloe donīt make it to the alter after all.
You summed up my feelings too.

I like Lucas and Chloe but the start was forced and most didn't care so why not torpedo something like that? There is no risk as there is no fan favorite couple involved. Hell, if anything, this has take misdirected story and made it interesting. I still think it's an exit vehicle for either Daniel and/or Chloe. I think SC is gone anyway but this is the perfect way to get rid of Chloe too.

Lady, I do agree with you on the whole patient aspect and wish they would actually play that aspect out and have Daniel acknowledge he has a problem. However, I still enjoy the story for what it is. It's classic soap with a reflection on modern times. The medical aspect is disgusting but that only adds to the wrongness of it IMO.
It has no substance. If it was just Daniel and Chloe doing this without Daniel's skeevy background, that would be another matter, too. The sum of all of it makes it wrong to me. Not to mention, it's about time poor Lucas wasn't the brunt of all this. Again.
If this was happening, there should be a substory about Daniel and his background. As it is, all it seems to be doing is driving another stake into any likeability for Daniel and screwing with Chloe's past personality. And, I'm not a Phloe or Broe fan, but she isn't even thinking of these two people? If she was reluctant to marry Lucas, don't these two guys even figure in? As friends, or as fleeting thoughts, or something? It's like they don't exist in her orbit anymore, except to make her uncomfortable at Christmas.
It's pisspoor writing. I don't know if it's Whitesell's writing or Higley's writing, but it wasn't well thought out. And it bugs me at hell of a lot more than it does Lucas and Chloe. Even though they're not exactly the Supercouple of the Millennium, they had cute moments.They have family moments. There's nothing like this here. Nothing but Playgirl forum material.
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GET EM STEPH!!

See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

Edited by PhoenixRising05, Dec 31 2008, 01:52 PM.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:33 PM
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Dec 31 2008, 01:04 PM
Sorry, but I think you are too uptight. Chloe and Dan are both adult, very sex driven people, I donīt see anything wrong with this. The show doesnīt pretend Chloe/Dan are the next supercouple or they love each other more than anything. They just want to scr*w each other, it happens. Maybe it will develop into something more, maybe not.

I like this story much more than when Chloe and Lucas tried to pretend they are totally happy and in love after few offscreen weeks together, or when Dan and Chelsea suddenly started to sing love songs about each other. This is pure entertainment, classic "B" movie story about animal attraction between two wrong people and how it eventually destroys them and everybody around. And even if the start was a little rushed and forced for obvious reasons, now when the story is in full swing Iīm very happy with the outcome.

I certainly donīt want every relationship being written that way but there is no reason why donīt explore it sometimes. Nadia and Shawn have ideal looks for a story like that and exactly how Nadia said, "itīs wrong, wrong on so many levels," but IMO entertaining as hell as well, especially when the couple at stake is not a supercouple with a strong fanbase so poor Dena will not get tons of death threats when Lucloe donīt make it to the alter after all.
You think it's right for Daniel to have a relationship with every sick female patient he comes across? And I'm not a Chloe fan, but she wasn't like this until the incarnation. There is no basis or explanation for her to return and suddenly want to sleep with Philip as friends with benefits, or jump into an elevator with Lucas, or have sudden mad hot passionate fantasies with Daniel all of a sudden. If this was consistent with Chloe, it would be one thing. And, I'm not one to be part of couples fanbases or anything like that, but I can see where viewers would want their extreme love scenes for the rootable couples right now? Why would we want to watch gratuitous sex with a couple for whom many of us don't like? If we wanted that, we'd get Pay per view or get on the Internet.

And, for Daniel to be this pervert without getting called on it, like it was the most natural thing in the world? Yes, I think we ARE going to make a deal out of it. It would be one thing if there was this ongoing background story where Daniel has been fired from other hospitals because of this, but because Victor pulled strings or because other hospitals gave him good reviews just to get rid of him. Personally, then I could tolerate this more. Or, if someone started getting suspicious (Kate, maybe?). But, no. Dr. Dan is not only bouncing from girl to grandmother to future daughter-in-law, he's gynecologist, obstetrician, oncologist, pancreaantologist (or whatever the hell), and all round good buddy.

This came across just as fast as the whole Lucas thing, but with one bad caveat: Lucas is many things, but I don't think he's ever been portrayed as a pervert, just someone wanting the perfect woman and not getting lucky at that. Daniel comes across as a pervert who should have his license revoked.

There, is that still too uptight for you?
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Dec 31 2008, 01:51 PM
See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

But there is no good FOUNDATION FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' STORY!! Why can't Chloe go to someone and say she's having qualms about getting married? At least, they had her asking that Daniel not be her doctor. I guess that's saying something. Why did Daniel then go back to Kate? WHY can't we know about Daniel's issues? He's a relatively new character, and all we know about him is that he supposedly lost a wife, was a surfer dude, and is Victor's godfather. Nothing else. No build-up to why he's the way he was, was he this way before he came to Salem, nothing. No family ties, no disgruntled former patients, no one questioning him or what's going on. The worst that happened was Bo questioning him about being with Chelsea, but then Bo rallied and "came to his senses". Chelsea supposedly starts believing he's a player. A player? Max the racecar driver was a player. A player is an understatement for a doctor messin' with sick and formerly sick people. They pretty well showed him not giving a flip about Chelsea til she mentioned she had had leukemia. Then, the "Aha! Next victim!" light went off.
Damn, I can't believe I'm arguing so much about this when I don't even care for either character, but the whole thing sickens me, much more than Todd and Marty on One life. At least, they gave a motivation for this, misguided as it was. This is just so out of left field.
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It could be just about lust and sex but this is not the way to tell this SL.
I have always hated the character of Chloe- she was self-righteous and always thought herself better then others. She left w/Brady then came back as the one who got Brady hooked on drugs (if this parts wrong- sorry I didnt watch when Nadia returned?)
Now she a bed-hopping self-righteous character. I just dont buy it from her.
As for Daniel-talk about character assassination...does anyone feel any emotion for this guy. This guy can disappear and no one would care?
I do like that Nicole and Chloe are "friendly" and have kind of gotten past fighting over guys and name calling. I dont see any chemistry w/newBrady either.
Now I dont mind the character as much....but she has no use on canvas and agree that she and Daniel should leave!
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ladyofthelake
Dec 31 2008, 01:58 PM
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Dec 31 2008, 01:51 PM
See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

But there is no good FOUNDATION FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' STORY!! Why can't Chloe go to someone and say she's having qualms about getting married? At least, they had her asking that Daniel not be her doctor. I guess that's saying something. Why did Daniel then go back to Kate? WHY can't we know about Daniel's issues? He's a relatively new character, and all we know about him is that he supposedly lost a wife, was a surfer dude, and is Victor's godfather. Nothing else. No build-up to why he's the way he was, was he this way before he came to Salem, nothing. No family ties, no disgruntled former patients, no one questioning him or what's going on. The worst that happened was Bo questioning him about being with Chelsea, but then Bo rallied and "came to his senses". Chelsea supposedly starts believing he's a player. A player? Max the racecar driver was a player. A player is an understatement for a doctor messin' with sick and formerly sick people. They pretty well showed him not giving a flip about Chelsea til she mentioned she had had leukemia. Then, the "Aha! Next victim!" light went off.
Damn, I can't believe I'm arguing so much about this when I don't even care for either character, but the whole thing sickens me, much more than Todd and Marty on One life. At least, they gave a motivation for this, misguided as it was. This is just so out of left field.
Oh, I agree.

I may be enjoying it but the fact that they aren't giving us insight into Daniel and why he does things like this is a problem. I agree completely. I understand why Chloe is tempted but Daniel it just comes off as on to another target.

I guess where you and I disagree is on the buildup and the purpose of the story. I think it was rushed but there was some buildup. There could've been more but I digress. I think alot of this has to do with one or more of the actors leaving. The sudden shift in the story in December, around the same time as the J&M story began to shift toward their exits, makes me think they already know SC is leaving and/or they are getting rid of Nadia. I think this is an exit story for someone and that is probably why I'm at peace with how rushed it was to start. I think this works better then Lucas and Chloe because they were playing that as being about love whereas this is just temptation and lust.

Don't get me started on Todd and Marty though. I'm enjoying the aftermath but...ugh.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:58 PM
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Dec 31 2008, 01:51 PM
See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

But there is no good FOUNDATION FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' STORY!! Why can't Chloe go to someone and say she's having qualms about getting married? At least, they had her asking that Daniel not be her doctor. I guess that's saying something. Why did Daniel then go back to Kate? WHY can't we know about Daniel's issues? He's a relatively new character, and all we know about him is that he supposedly lost a wife, was a surfer dude, and is Victor's godfather. Nothing else. No build-up to why he's the way he was, was he this way before he came to Salem, nothing. No family ties, no disgruntled former patients, no one questioning him or what's going on. The worst that happened was Bo questioning him about being with Chelsea, but then Bo rallied and "came to his senses". Chelsea supposedly starts believing he's a player. A player? Max the racecar driver was a player. A player is an understatement for a doctor messin' with sick and formerly sick people. They pretty well showed him not giving a flip about Chelsea til she mentioned she had had leukemia. Then, the "Aha! Next victim!" light went off.
Damn, I can't believe I'm arguing so much about this when I don't even care for either character, but the whole thing sickens me, much more than Todd and Marty on One life. At least, they gave a motivation for this, misguided as it was. This is just so out of left field.
Oh, I agree.

I may be enjoying it but the fact that they aren't giving us insight into Daniel and why he does things like this is a problem. I agree completely. I understand why Chloe is tempted but Daniel it just comes off as on to another target.

I guess where you and I disagree is on the buildup and the purpose of the story. I think it was rushed but there was some buildup. There could've been more but I digress. I think alot of this has to do with one or more of the actors leaving. The sudden shift in the story in December, around the same time as the J&M story began to shift toward their exits, makes me think they already know SC is leaving and/or they are getting rid of Nadia. I think this is an exit story for someone and that is probably why I'm at peace with how rushed it was to start. I think this works better then Lucas and Chloe because they were playing that as being about love whereas this is just temptation and lust.

Don't get me started on Todd and Marty though. I'm enjoying the aftermath but...ugh.
LOL, but I had no problem with Todd and Marty, because Marty isn't still with him. She's after BLOOD! There's the woman being empowered. I wish Chloe had kicked Daniel in the balls. (Sorry for the thought, Tim!) If Chloe had done that, or screamed bloody murder, or threatened to sue his ass, she would REALLY go up on my 'awesome character' meter!

I can see your point about the possibility of an actor leaving. I can't imagine this is what Shawn Christiansen would have wanted for his character. I don't know about Nadia, though.
Edited by ladyofthelake, Dec 31 2008, 02:13 PM.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:51 PM
See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.


But it doesn't have to come across so shallow. If they acknowledged Daniel's creepy fetish and Chloe's unresolved issues with Brady/Philip and Lucas's penchant for post-Sami rebound relationships, the story would have some psychological depth. Instead, we get the simplistic conflict between "safe, dependable Lucas" and "hunky Dan". It's Higley's paint-by-numbers characterisation that reduces the plot to pure animal lust.
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Dec 31 2008, 01:51 PM
See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.


But it doesn't have to come across so shallow. If they acknowledged Daniel's creepy fetish and Chloe's unresolved issues with Brady/Philip and Lucas's penchant for post-Sami rebound relationships, the story would have some psychological depth. Instead, we get the simplistic conflict between "safe, dependable Lucas" and "hunky Dan". It's Higley's paint-by-numbers characterisation that reduces the plot to pure animal lust.
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Dec 31 2008, 02:11 PM
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Dec 31 2008, 01:58 PM
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Dec 31 2008, 01:51 PM
See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

But there is no good FOUNDATION FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' STORY!! Why can't Chloe go to someone and say she's having qualms about getting married? At least, they had her asking that Daniel not be her doctor. I guess that's saying something. Why did Daniel then go back to Kate? WHY can't we know about Daniel's issues? He's a relatively new character, and all we know about him is that he supposedly lost a wife, was a surfer dude, and is Victor's godfather. Nothing else. No build-up to why he's the way he was, was he this way before he came to Salem, nothing. No family ties, no disgruntled former patients, no one questioning him or what's going on. The worst that happened was Bo questioning him about being with Chelsea, but then Bo rallied and "came to his senses". Chelsea supposedly starts believing he's a player. A player? Max the racecar driver was a player. A player is an understatement for a doctor messin' with sick and formerly sick people. They pretty well showed him not giving a flip about Chelsea til she mentioned she had had leukemia. Then, the "Aha! Next victim!" light went off.
Damn, I can't believe I'm arguing so much about this when I don't even care for either character, but the whole thing sickens me, much more than Todd and Marty on One life. At least, they gave a motivation for this, misguided as it was. This is just so out of left field.
Oh, I agree.

I may be enjoying it but the fact that they aren't giving us insight into Daniel and why he does things like this is a problem. I agree completely. I understand why Chloe is tempted but Daniel it just comes off as on to another target.

I guess where you and I disagree is on the buildup and the purpose of the story. I think it was rushed but there was some buildup. There could've been more but I digress. I think alot of this has to do with one or more of the actors leaving. The sudden shift in the story in December, around the same time as the J&M story began to shift toward their exits, makes me think they already know SC is leaving and/or they are getting rid of Nadia. I think this is an exit story for someone and that is probably why I'm at peace with how rushed it was to start. I think this works better then Lucas and Chloe because they were playing that as being about love whereas this is just temptation and lust.

Don't get me started on Todd and Marty though. I'm enjoying the aftermath but...ugh.
LOL, but I had no problem with Todd and Marty, because Marty isn't still with him. She's after BLOOD! There's the woman being empowered. I wish Chloe had kicked Daniel in the balls. (Sorry for the thought, Tim!) If Chloe had done that, or screamed bloody murder, or threatened to sue his ass, she would REALLY go up on my 'awesome character' meter!

I can see your point about the possibility of an actor leaving. I can't imagine this is what Shawn Christiansen would have wanted for his character. I don't know about Nadia, though.
I honestly don't think SC cares. In his interviews, he seems to just appeal for people not to hate Daniel and tries to justify where he's at. He only signed for a year so he probably figures he is leaving anyway. I don't think he would've signed if not for the strike to begin with.

As for Todd/Marty, I wish they didn't do what they did to get to this point but the aftermath is good so I will just try to block what happened before out LOL.
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See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

But there is no good FOUNDATION FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' STORY!! Why can't Chloe go to someone and say she's having qualms about getting married? At least, they had her asking that Daniel not be her doctor. I guess that's saying something. Why did Daniel then go back to Kate? WHY can't we know about Daniel's issues? He's a relatively new character, and all we know about him is that he supposedly lost a wife, was a surfer dude, and is Victor's godfather. Nothing else. No build-up to why he's the way he was, was he this way before he came to Salem, nothing. No family ties, no disgruntled former patients, no one questioning him or what's going on. The worst that happened was Bo questioning him about being with Chelsea, but then Bo rallied and "came to his senses". Chelsea supposedly starts believing he's a player. A player? Max the racecar driver was a player. A player is an understatement for a doctor messin' with sick and formerly sick people. They pretty well showed him not giving a flip about Chelsea til she mentioned she had had leukemia. Then, the "Aha! Next victim!" light went off.
Damn, I can't believe I'm arguing so much about this when I don't even care for either character, but the whole thing sickens me, much more than Todd and Marty on One life. At least, they gave a motivation for this, misguided as it was. This is just so out of left field.
Oh, I agree.

I may be enjoying it but the fact that they aren't giving us insight into Daniel and why he does things like this is a problem. I agree completely. I understand why Chloe is tempted but Daniel it just comes off as on to another target.

I guess where you and I disagree is on the buildup and the purpose of the story. I think it was rushed but there was some buildup. There could've been more but I digress. I think alot of this has to do with one or more of the actors leaving. The sudden shift in the story in December, around the same time as the J&M story began to shift toward their exits, makes me think they already know SC is leaving and/or they are getting rid of Nadia. I think this is an exit story for someone and that is probably why I'm at peace with how rushed it was to start. I think this works better then Lucas and Chloe because they were playing that as being about love whereas this is just temptation and lust.

Don't get me started on Todd and Marty though. I'm enjoying the aftermath but...ugh.
LOL, but I had no problem with Todd and Marty, because Marty isn't still with him. She's after BLOOD! There's the woman being empowered. I wish Chloe had kicked Daniel in the balls. (Sorry for the thought, Tim!) If Chloe had done that, or screamed bloody murder, or threatened to sue his ass, she would REALLY go up on my 'awesome character' meter!

I can see your point about the possibility of an actor leaving. I can't imagine this is what Shawn Christiansen would have wanted for his character. I don't know about Nadia, though.
I honestly don't think SC cares. In his interviews, he seems to just appeal for people not to hate Daniel and tries to justify where he's at. He only signed for a year so he probably figures he is leaving anyway. I don't think he would've signed if not for the strike to begin with.

As for Todd/Marty, I wish they didn't do what they did to get to this point but the aftermath is good so I will just try to block what happened before out LOL.
This leads me to think that Shawn C. wanted a paycheck for a year, so he really doesn't care what happens with Daniel as long as Shawn C. himself doesn't get hate mail or death threats? That could explain why Daniel isn't exactly rootable. Sorry to the Shawn fans, but he never overwhelmed me with his acting.
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I guess I am too far out of the loop....but why isnt Chloe involved with Brady or Philip?.....this Daniel/Lucas stuff just seem weird.

Do Chloe and Lucas or Chloe and Dan have a fan base?
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See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.


But it doesn't have to come across so shallow. If they acknowledged Daniel's creepy fetish and Chloe's unresolved issues with Brady/Philip and Lucas's penchant for post-Sami rebound relationships, the story would have some psychological depth. Instead, we get the simplistic conflict between "safe, dependable Lucas" and "hunky Dan". It's Higley's paint-by-numbers characterisation that reduces the plot to pure animal lust.
I think they have acknowledged Chloe's issues. There was a number of scenes in September and October concerning that and they just had a scene with Nicole today where she confessed her feelings of not being ready to get married. Daniel, not so much. As I said in regards to Lady's posts, it would make this even better if they acknowledged Daniel's issues. I doubt they will though, especially since he will probably leave anyway.

I don't have a problem with the lack of depth though. Some stories are just simple. This one is and it works for what it is IMO. As I said, I think I find it ok mostly because I think it's an exit story for someone. If not for that, I may feel a bit differently, especially if they were trying to build Chloe/Daniel into something long-term, which I don't think they are.
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See, that is the problem. It's not meant to be a love story and should not be looked at that way.

It's not supposed to be romance. Frankly, it's about sex, plain and simple. It's Shallow, yes. Two beautiful, flawed, conflicted people attracted to each other that can't keep their feelings under wraps. Chloe has always had reservations about things with Lucas and the whole idea of settling down with a family given Lucas has Allie. Then there is Daniel and his issues. Those play here.

I do agree about Lucas being cheated on again. It has grown tiresome and, hopefully, this is the end of that happening with him.

But there is no good FOUNDATION FOR THE WHOLE FRIGGIN' STORY!! Why can't Chloe go to someone and say she's having qualms about getting married? At least, they had her asking that Daniel not be her doctor. I guess that's saying something. Why did Daniel then go back to Kate? WHY can't we know about Daniel's issues? He's a relatively new character, and all we know about him is that he supposedly lost a wife, was a surfer dude, and is Victor's godfather. Nothing else. No build-up to why he's the way he was, was he this way before he came to Salem, nothing. No family ties, no disgruntled former patients, no one questioning him or what's going on. The worst that happened was Bo questioning him about being with Chelsea, but then Bo rallied and "came to his senses". Chelsea supposedly starts believing he's a player. A player? Max the racecar driver was a player. A player is an understatement for a doctor messin' with sick and formerly sick people. They pretty well showed him not giving a flip about Chelsea til she mentioned she had had leukemia. Then, the "Aha! Next victim!" light went off.
Damn, I can't believe I'm arguing so much about this when I don't even care for either character, but the whole thing sickens me, much more than Todd and Marty on One life. At least, they gave a motivation for this, misguided as it was. This is just so out of left field.
Oh, I agree.

I may be enjoying it but the fact that they aren't giving us insight into Daniel and why he does things like this is a problem. I agree completely. I understand why Chloe is tempted but Daniel it just comes off as on to another target.

I guess where you and I disagree is on the buildup and the purpose of the story. I think it was rushed but there was some buildup. There could've been more but I digress. I think alot of this has to do with one or more of the actors leaving. The sudden shift in the story in December, around the same time as the J&M story began to shift toward their exits, makes me think they already know SC is leaving and/or they are getting rid of Nadia. I think this is an exit story for someone and that is probably why I'm at peace with how rushed it was to start. I think this works better then Lucas and Chloe because they were playing that as being about love whereas this is just temptation and lust.

Don't get me started on Todd and Marty though. I'm enjoying the aftermath but...ugh.
LOL, but I had no problem with Todd and Marty, because Marty isn't still with him. She's after BLOOD! There's the woman being empowered. I wish Chloe had kicked Daniel in the balls. (Sorry for the thought, Tim!) If Chloe had done that, or screamed bloody murder, or threatened to sue his ass, she would REALLY go up on my 'awesome character' meter!

I can see your point about the possibility of an actor leaving. I can't imagine this is what Shawn Christiansen would have wanted for his character. I don't know about Nadia, though.
I honestly don't think SC cares. In his interviews, he seems to just appeal for people not to hate Daniel and tries to justify where he's at. He only signed for a year so he probably figures he is leaving anyway. I don't think he would've signed if not for the strike to begin with.

As for Todd/Marty, I wish they didn't do what they did to get to this point but the aftermath is good so I will just try to block what happened before out LOL.
This leads me to think that Shawn C. wanted a paycheck for a year, so he really doesn't care what happens with Daniel as long as Shawn C. himself doesn't get hate mail or death threats? That could explain why Daniel isn't exactly rootable. Sorry to the Shawn fans, but he never overwhelmed me with his acting.
Yep. I like Shawn but I think that is about right. I do think he gets hate mail though LOL. I think Nadia is pissed off. She came off that way in her interview with Nelson. She seems happy to have direction but she seems upset with how slutty Chloe was being portrayed, which is reasonable.

I've only liked Shawn's acting a few times on Days. I think he's having trouble playing the material, for which I can't blame him.
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