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American Idol Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 04:55 PM (65,014 Views)
cubsgirl
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^^Hey we pulled it out last year with Cook. He overwhelming beat Archie. We could do it again. Would love to see Kris even win the whole thing as a big F-U to the producers for the throwing under the bus they did with Kris last night along with the butt kissing they have done with Adam and Danny all season.
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The worst part about tonight was that it all felt like a tease. I mean, I'm sure letting Kris know he was safe so early was designed to make people think it would be a shocker tonight and most likely Danny going home. The show checks the net. They look at polls, DialIdol, etc so they used it to their advantage to add to the suspense. However, it really was a tease. Coming off last night, so many thought this could be it, especially with Kris safe and Alison having performed with Adam and all. They dangled the carrot and it was then pulled back. Ugh.

Speaking of DialIdol, while it did not provide a definitive prediction other then Adam being safe (it's first definitive prediction of any kind in weeks), it had Alison last so it got an elimination right for the first time in a long time.

Hopefully, Kris gets some help next week. It seems many of his fans text so he may show up low on Dialidol and other polls next week but he will all the help he can get, regardless.
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daysfan
May 6 2009, 09:58 PM
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May 6 2009, 09:46 PM
daysfan
May 6 2009, 09:36 PM
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May 6 2009, 09:22 PM

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To me, it was just a shock because I was really thinking Danny or even Kris would be going home....mainly Danny just because of last night. I seriously thought that would be the end for him, and after last night's duet I thought the final two would be between Alison and Adam, but I guess I was wrong. :P

I'll be stunned if Danny doesn't go home next week, though. Kris and Adam have to be the final two, they just HAVE to be.
Oh, I see what you mean. That was my hope too but glad I didn't hold my breath LOL.

From your lips to God's ears, daysfan. Danny's run HAS to end next week.

My fear though is that it won't. Think about it. Top 3 week the judges get to pick songs for one of the performances and I believe the producer's do too. You just know they are going to do what they did last year and try to sabotage Kris like they did Syesha last year. It's going to be ugly how they toss him under the bus next week. Maybe it's good Alison did go home. I wouldn't want to subject her to that BS. Maybe it would be a better downfall to see Danny end up like Archie. Have him get to the finale and have to stand there and watch Adam win and celebrate. Maybe that would be the best justice.

I should've known the foreshadowing was too think for a Danny elimination tonight. He sang the same song poorly that Micheal Johns went home on last year (because he also sang it poorly, bad last note and all last year). Then we had Chris Daughtry on the show tonight in the same week he got eliminated in his season (very ironic...feel bad for Chris having to come back to the show this week LOL). Then we had Danny standing next to Alison with shades of Chris/Katherine from season 5 but no dice. The show also didn't leave a whole lot of time at the end and they usually do when there is a big shock with one of the favorites going home. That is why I thought Adam was a goner last week with so much time left but it ended up not happening.

I teared up during Alison's goodbye montage and her last performance was just awesome. Best goodbye performance this year. I was happy she and Kara hugged because she is the only one that seemed to give her the credit she deserved.
As much as I'd love to see Danny watch Adam win, I actually hope that wouldn't happen, not only because Kris is the better out of him and Danny, but also(and this may seem silly), but I feel Kris really needs to stick it to him after what Danny did last night....he has to get him back somehow, and it would just feed this ego Danny has going on if Kris got eliminated next week.
Good point.

I want Kris to stick it to him LOL.

Cubsgirl is right. It seemed like a losing battle last year but it wasn't. Kris just needs help. We all need to mobilize LOL. Get as many people to vote as possible and vote as much as possible.

LMAO Kenny :laugh: . Your right. He really is like that annoying character/actor that never leaves. We all thought Archie was bad last year (mostly because of his father and all the pimping) but I would gladly take him and all that came with him over this Danny.
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Rick
May 6 2009, 09:46 PM
I will be voting my fingers off for Adam and Kris next week.
Don't vote for Adam. He's already going to have plenty of people voting for him, and splitting votes is pointless, LoL. Vote for Kris. He's the one who needs the votes, and as many as possible. Otherwise, Hokey Gokey is going to be in the Top 2.

VOTE KRIS! VOTE KRIS! VOTE KRIS!
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Kenny
May 6 2009, 10:06 PM
Rick
May 6 2009, 09:46 PM
I will be voting my fingers off for Adam and Kris next week.
Don't vote for Adam. He's already going to have plenty of people voting for him, and splitting votes is pointless, LoL. Vote for Kris. He's the one who needs the votes, and as many as possible. Otherwise, Hokey Gokey is going to be in the Top 2.

VOTE KRIS! VOTE KRIS! VOTE KRIS!
Well, the last thing we need is Adam falling out and Danny taking his spot too but I get your point. I'm sure Adam's fans have learned their lesson after his bottom 2 appearance.

Kris will really need the votes though. If the top 3 this year is like last year's, the judges and producers will pick songs for the contestants so they will try to sabotage Kris like they did Syesha last year so he will really need alot of help.

By the way, how the hell are they going to do the judge's picks? We have 4 judges and 3 contestants. Normally, it's 3 and 3. That should be interesting.
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Angie79
May 6 2009, 10:00 PM
I see Adam getting Allison's votes moreso than Kris.
God, I hope not. He doesn't need the votes. Kris does.
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^Sadly, I can see that too since Alison is a rock chick.

I hope he does get her votes or some of them, at least. I don't even think her votes will be enough though. He is going to need more then that to overcome the Danny Gokey fanbase.
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I'm happy Kris made it another week, bummed a bit for Allison. The only good thing I can say about Danny's bummer note on Tuesday's show is at least he realized it was bad.
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Does Kris have a fanbase like Adam and some others have/had this Season? I certainly hope so, because I do kinda fear for him....I mean, now while its a HORRIBLE tragedy and I hate to even be talking like this, I think Danny gets alot of sympathy votes just because his wife passed on right before the Season began...I mean really, its so awful and I feel bad for him, but I think that pulls in some votes for him.
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May 6 2009, 10:44 PM
Does Kris have a fanbase like Adam and some others have/had this Season? I certainly hope so, because I do kinda fear for him....I mean, now while its a HORRIBLE tragedy and I hate to even be talking like this, I think Danny gets alot of sympathy votes just because his wife passed on right before the Season began...I mean really, its so awful and I feel bad for him, but I think that pulls in some votes for him.
No question it does. It's what his whole fanbase is based on. The worst part is the show exploited it big time early on and he went along with. Most of his song choices up until the past few weeks alluded to his tragedy. Now, the show and Danny have veered away from it but not before they beat it into millions of people's brains that he went through a tragedy and that has obviously led to the pity vote coming into play. I feel horrible too but what happened should not be exploited nor should it even be in play here.

Kris' fanbase is strong but whether it's strong enough to beat Danny...let's just say I hope it is.

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if Idol needs to change the voting system to be more like DWTS. I know DWTS still has it's screwups (look at this week with Lil Kim...boy it's been a bad week for reality competition shows LOL) but it's still better in getting the most deserving people to the finale. Usually, they end up getting it right. There is very few shock eliminations on DWTS. Maybe Idol should look into limiting the votes somehow to one per phone line or something. Something has to be done, especially with some fanbases being more rabid then others (why must fanbases be the bane of my existance? LOL).

I still can't figure out what happened with Alison's fanbase, She was much like Carly only her fanbase seemed stronger. I do blame the show and judges for never fully supporting her but she never did seem to gain strength with her fanbase. It was always so inconsistent for her. It makes me wonder if maybe some of her fans flocked to Kris's or Adam's defense coming off of last week and last night. I've been feeling all season like many of Alison's fans may be fans of others who tend to shift off voting for her at times if someone else they like is in danger.

I've read that there will not be 3 performances next week for the first time in top 3 Idol history. There will be 2 performances...one song chosen by the judges and the other a contestant's choice (I'm guessing contestant's favorite of the season but that happened on the finale last year so maybe not). If this is true, they have cut out the producer's choice, which replaced Clive Davis' choice last year since Clive seems to appear on the night the final 2 perform now based on his apperance last year during that week. That is no big deal since the producer's choice is yet another way to manipulate. No doubt they will only be two performances due to time constraints, which sucks but I would prefer not having a producer's choice anyway since it's just another manipulative tactic. My guess is the judge's will not make individual choices this year like in past years. They will all convene together and pick a song for each contestant. I can't think of any other way it will work.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, May 6 2009, 10:48 PM.
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Why are they only performing two songs next week? Isn't it usually three at this stage?

I hate the way adding a fourth judge to the panel has caused them to cut back on the number of songs performed this season. Stupid Kara. Stupid, stupid Kara.
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Ewwwww Kenny @ that Danny pic!
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Oh, and I hope they give Kris Allen the pimp spot next week. Not that it matters much anymore, but as much as Danny and Adam have been pimped this season and as much as they've had Adam performing last, Kris really deserves some love.

If anyone but Kris performs last, I'm calling shenanigans. It Adam performs last, well... they should just declare him the winner and call it a day.
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Kenny
May 6 2009, 11:47 PM
Why are they only performing two songs next week? Isn't it usually three at this stage?

I hate the way adding a fourth judge to the panel has caused them to cut back on the number of songs performed this season. Stupid Kara. Stupid, stupid Kara.
I don't think Kara is the only one to blame.

I forget where I read it but someone actually had some stats of how long each judge has taken to talk this season and it seems Kara only had a few weeks where she really talked alot. On average. Paula has taken up the most time and, believe it or not, Simon is second. I've noticed the judges have been taking up less time the past few weeks since they went back to not having random order in the judge's commentary. Things got so much better once they went back to going right down the line with Randy, Kara, Paula, and Simon. Kara's been quite brief in her commentary of late so she's starting to adapt it seems. The bottom line is all the judges need to just get to the point and, if they do that, it will be fine. Alot of the time is taking up when Simon and Paula screw around too. That is probably the biggest problem.

The two performance thing is something I read on another board, I have not seen it confirmed anywhere yet but I assume it will be the case and, as I said, I don't mind it. There is no need for the producer's choice. There was no need for it last year. It was just like the judge's choice. It's just another manipulation tactic anyway. This actually works out better, especially for Kris since if judge's try to screw him over on their choice for him, he can always recover on the song he chooses. If there is a producer's choice, there is two ways to screw him over.

I also read that part of the reason Kris was upset last night was because he never had the chance to have a run through. Adam and Alison did and Danny got half way through his but Kris never got anything because of the incidents on set, which may be why he didn't do so well. Hell, I'm sure all of them were shaken up yesterday with what happened and it's always a case of some handling situations like that better then others.

I just hate how last week the judges, Jaime Fox, Ryan, etc all hyped up how talented the contestants were and how wide open the competition was (despite all the pimping and bias the night before) and then this week everything went back to the same old. Kris was thrown under the bus, along with Alison. Danny was awful last night and tried to screw Kris during the duet and still got praised. I mean, I knew this would happen and all that shit on last week's results show was nothing but them hyping the fact that Adam was bottom 2 and how anything can happen and blah blah blah but I still had hope the show would take into account the fact that all of them in the top 4 are talented and just let the audience decide without all the judge's and show bias and manipulation but they just couldn't do that. Ugh.

Eww...that picture of Danny is just...eww...
Edited by PhoenixRising05, May 7 2009, 12:06 AM.
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I can't wait to see what terrible song the judges pick for Kris to perform next week. They're going to sabotage him, I just know it. Happy Feet, anyone?

Simon will most likely give him middle of the road remarks. Just enough to lull the voters into complacency, but not good enough to pick up casual voters. That's going to be his new strategy. Kris will be screwed.
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May 6 2009, 11:59 PM
Oh, and I hope they give Kris Allen the pimp spot next week. Not that it matters much anymore, but as much as Danny and Adam have been pimped this season and as much as they've had Adam performing last, Kris really deserves some love.

If anyone but Kris performs last, I'm calling shenanigans. It Adam performs last, well... they should just declare him the winner and call it a day.
No way Adam goes last. That would be too obvious, even for them. He still technically went last this week so I don't see it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Danny went last because they can say he didn't go last this week due to the Alison/Adam duet but, technically, Danny did go last since he was the last solo singer of the night and would've been last on any other night if not for the duets. The show really positioned itself well to have Danny go last because of that. They probably figure he will need the most help anyway so they will probably do what they did last year. Last year, Syesha went first and got completely thrown under the bus and you could tell they put her first to also have people forget her a bit too. Archie went second and Cook went third because I think they figured he may need help more since Archie had the teenybopper vote. I expect Kris to go first so they can screw him over and then Adam and then Danny. It will follow a similar pattern to last year, I think.
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May 7 2009, 12:09 AM
I can't wait to see what terrible song the judges pick for Kris to perform next week. They're going to sabotage him.

Happy Feet, anyone?
Oh God!

I remember that. I did kind of like that performance but they couldn't have made it any clearer what they were doing.

I remember someone on this board ranting about how Randy gave Syesha hell for that song, saying she didn't much with it and how she needed a different song. I remember several people posting that she didn't pick the song so how can you blame her and that was so true. I felt so bad for her. She was thrown to the wolves. As I've said, the show has been throwing people under the bus regularly but what happened to her was just awful. I expect the same for Kris last week, which is why now I'm kind of glad Alison was spared having to deal with that. Kris will need his fans and all the votes he can get because the show is certainly not going to help him out next week. We now know, without a doubt, where their loyalties lie. Kara is the only one seemingly immune to the bias most of the time, it seems.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, May 7 2009, 12:14 AM.
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Well, I am the only one, but I am happy. LOL. I am sorry, but Allison wasn't good last night. That Crybaby...god, cringe-worthy! Cringe-worthy tonight too when she re-did it.


This was a great final five, final four, and now final three. I do think the best five singers/performers made it to the end, and that rarely happens.

But Allison was the worst of the four, IMO.
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Just watched the show back at the end and Ryan did announce at the end only two performances per contestant next week...judge's choice and contestant's choice so what I read was right. I guess this means the contestant can pick anything so I'm guessing it does not have to be a repeated performance so we will likely get that in the finale like last year.

Tonight was the first time I saw Alison get emotional. She cried during that montage and I'm so happy she just rocked out at the end and that didn't even bother to acknowledge Simon. I can see Paula but really Kara is the only one she should acknowledge because she championed her. Even before and during that last performance, Kara screamed her name and cheered her on. I wish they had given Alison more time to say goodbye. They gave Matt a ton of time last week and I would've liked to hear what all 4 judges had to say but whatever.

I did notice Danny seemed upset that she left too (funny he didn't show it during her final performance with that smug look) but he did embrace her once she was eliminated and he was the first to embrace her after she got finished singing. All the guys seemed to like her. What a shame. Just a damn shame. Whatever the case, Danny has to go. This travesty can't be changed but things will be a lot better if we can lose Danny next week. The worst part is I can't even say we have the best top 3 now. I was able to say the best top 4 but after Danny's performances this week, no way can I say that. He doesn't deserve to be in the top 3 and, most especially, not the top 2.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, May 7 2009, 12:38 AM.
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