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American Idol Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 04:55 PM (65,011 Views)
cubsgirl
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King
May 7 2009, 12:38 PM
Adam Lambert is on the cover of EW this week. That's so unfair to Danny and Kris!
Could it possibly be that they actually have three different covers with each guy featured on a different one. I have seen that before. HOWEVER, if that ISN'T the case it just makes me want to mess with the producer's winner even more.
Edited by cubsgirl, May 7 2009, 02:51 PM.
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Phoenix, you really think Adam will be able to sell? The guy has style and flash, but there is still this whole "conservative" side of America that I just don't know if America is completely ready for. Music today is all about image and Adam just always reminds me of 70's glam or 80's big hair. He just doesn't feel current. But I also feel like Adam is more like Kiss. They were always a band that you never got the full effect from studio albums. You had to see them live to get the full effect.

I feel that is what you are going to have to do with Adam. He is one of those visual performers that you don't get the full effect without the performance. I think the guy has a good voice, but I think he also is able to hide that he is doing the same performance with all the lights and smoke. You are completely focused on the visual the vocals get lost. I just don't think he is going to be as big as they want to believe he will be. I really think he is going to find his biggest success on Broadway.

And it isn't that I think Kris or Danny are any more marketable than Adam.
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^^^ I completely agree. I think Adam will be a big flop on the charts, and he'll head back to the theater where he is strongest.

Although she was not my favorite, I think out of the top 5 Allison was probably the most marketable. Oh well.
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cubsgirl
May 7 2009, 03:06 PM
Phoenix, you really think Adam will be able to sell? The guy has style and flash, but there is still this whole "conservative" side of America that I just don't know if America is completely ready for. Music today is all about image and Adam just always reminds me of 70's glam or 80's big hair. He just doesn't feel current. But I also feel like Adam is more like Kiss. They were always a band that you never got the full effect from studio albums. You had to see them live to get the full effect.

I feel that is what you are going to have to do with Adam. He is one of those visual performers that you don't get the full effect without the performance. I think the guy has a good voice, but I think he also is able to hide that he is doing the same performance with all the lights and smoke. You are completely focused on the visual the vocals get lost. I just don't think he is going to be as big as they want to believe he will be. I really think he is going to find his biggest success on Broadway.

And it isn't that I think Kris or Danny are any more marketable than Adam.
You make great points but I think the style and flair will be enough. They have done more to pimp Adam then any other contestant. Who else has gotten the dramatic intros, lighting, attention, etc that he has? The show has never had someone like him before and I think who he is and his background is what created a strong fanbase for him and that fanbase alone will help him. I don't think Idol would be putting so much time and effort into him if they did not know he was a sure thing. Not only that but look at how many mentors praised him too. They went just as gaga over him as the judges and the show.

I see what your saying about getting the full effect live. That is Taylor Hick's problem. When he is live, he is enjoyable because of what he does on stage. Adam is so dramatic that you do lack a little bit when you don't see him live but he also has a unique and identifiable voice, the likes of which can only be claimed by people like Kiss and Stephen Tyler. That will make him appealing to many rock fans and to pop fans. Sure, he will turn some people off but that happens with anyone as unique as him.

I'm not a big fan of his but I've resigned myself to the fact that he is likely to be HUGE, at least right off the bat. After his first album and as time goes on, we'll see what happens because it's likely that some of the appeal will wear off and he will lose some fans. Whether those leftover fans are enough to make him continue to be big will be what determines just how big a career he has. That is where doubt creeps in but I think for the next year or so, especially if the show continues to be behind him like they are, he will be very big. I'm not quite so sure if he should be a solo singer or with a band. I tend to think he should be solo since he's so dominating on stage but I could see him forming a Kiss-like band and really being successful too.

As for the EW cover, that is a good point about it maybe being joint covers. Adam being the only one with a cover would be way too blatant but, then again, the show has been as blatant this year as it's ever been in who they want to reach the finals and win so who knows.
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Okay may have to throw out my theory about there being 3 EW covers. :redface:

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May 7 2009, 04:11 PM
Okay may have to throw out my theory about there being 3 EW covers. :redface:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2lo63pu.jpg
Not necessarily.

Maybe that is the only one being posted around. I've seen that posted at several sites but no one seems to know if it's the only one.

On another note, just by reading sites and watching clips and all, it seems Alison was the only one left that was liked by everyone. There is clearly some tension left with the 3 guys but she was one who seemed to get along with everyone.
I just watched some clips from Idol Extra and Randy and Kara really praised her but Kara is obviously very high on her. Her praise of her was authentic. Randy offered to help Alison and make some calls for her so that was nice and Paula had nice things to say too. The clip started with Simon talking with her but I have no idea what was said. If I were her, I would've told him where to go but whatever. She does seem at peace with leaving and is happy to have gotten as far as she has. It seems all those bottom 3 visits made her think she was not long for the competition so she was a little better prepared for this. Ironically, she admitted having confidence issues early on but said she grew more confident as time went on and felt her performances got better as she went so Simon was somewhat right but he had it backwards. When he started bitching about her confident, that is when she had them most confidence LOL. She seems excited about the tour though. I may just go see them when they came near where I live just to see her and a few others. I want to see if Adam and Alison do their duet on tour. I think they will and would love to see it live.

I wish I had the clips to her interviews. I've watched so many of them today that I can't remember them all. Maybe I will post them later when I retrace my steps.

I did find this short recap article on EW.com. It's pretty amusing and should make Alison and her fans feel better about things.

EW.com

I'm sure Alison's exit Q&A will be posted on EW.com site soon.

Edited by PhoenixRising05, May 7 2009, 05:14 PM.
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IDOLATRY

I know this video is for the top 5 week but has anyone watched this or any of these Idolatry videos before? I remember watching them last year and, for some reason, I have not watched them much this season. Anyway, they are hilarious and their interviews are quite good too. They don't have the one up for this week yet but this video is very funny, especially the parts about the Danny/Alison food fight and how Alison and Kara one upped Simon. The Simon bashing is hilarious!

I can't wait to see their stuff for this week considering they don't seem to like Danny and LOVE Alison.
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May 7 2009, 05:53 PM
IDOLATRY

I know this video is for the top 5 week but has anyone watched this or any of these Idolatry videos before? I remember watching them last year and, for some reason, I have not watched them much this season. Anyway, they are hilarious and their interviews are quite good too. They don't have the one up for this week yet but this video is very funny, especially the parts about the Danny/Alison food fight and how Alison and Kara one upped Simon. The Simon bashing is hilarious!

I can't wait to see their stuff for this week considering they don't seem to like Danny and LOVE Alison.
I just watched that one today about the top 5. I can't wait to see the one with this week's show. Not only with Allison, but I don't think they are 100% high on Adam and I have to wonder if they say something about the pimping from the night.
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May 7 2009, 10:13 AM
And for me, as a Danny fan, and someone who voted my ass off for him, it kind of sucks to come here and read posts basically calling Danny fans idiots for voting for him. Thanks a lot.
I don't think I called anyone an idiot for voting for him. If I did, I'm sorry.
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May 7 2009, 12:31 PM
But then Simon said...Terri, Randy, who came in fourth last year? And Randy didn't know. He said he knew Brooke White came in 5th. Simon said they proved his point. Terri asked Simon who came in fourth last year, and Simon said: I have no idea, that's the point - you can't say it doesn't matter what place people come in because the whole point of the show is to crown a winner. If you say it doesn't matter, people won't vote.
It was Jason Castro.

I don't think it's important to remember what place they all came in. Does anyone remember what place Jennifer Hudson came in? I doubt it. Most just know she was booted too early.

Remembering the person is much more important than remembering their exact placing.
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May 7 2009, 07:04 PM
King
May 7 2009, 12:31 PM
But then Simon said...Terri, Randy, who came in fourth last year? And Randy didn't know. He said he knew Brooke White came in 5th. Simon said they proved his point. Terri asked Simon who came in fourth last year, and Simon said: I have no idea, that's the point - you can't say it doesn't matter what place people come in because the whole point of the show is to crown a winner. If you say it doesn't matter, people won't vote.
It was Jason Castro.

I don't think it's important to remember what place they all came in. Does anyone remember what place Jennifer Hudson came in? I doubt it. Most just know she was booted too early.

Remembering the person is much more important than remembering their exact placing.
Wonderfully said.

I also want to pick up on what you said in response to aimees. I was in no way calling anyone here an idiot. Not sure if I did or implied that but that was not my intention. I won't call anyone that likes Danny an idiot, even if I dislike him. I will call the judges fools through LOL.

I was speaking more in general at sites like VFTW who screw with the voting or people that vote in a certain way to hurt those who should go further. Sure, part of me wonders how what Danny does, especially this week, can be ignored and defended but obviously those that like them have their reasons and that's that. Alot of what I said last night was said in anger. It reminds me alot of some of the things said in the past when a person's favorite went home unfairly or something similar happened. Things happen in the heat of the moment and, if I said something offensive, I do apologize.

That isn't stopping me from bashing Danny though but those that like him...please don't be deterred. Continue to post why you like him. There are Adam haters here too and they post. It's all good :smile:
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May 7 2009, 06:55 PM
PhoenixRising05
May 7 2009, 05:53 PM
IDOLATRY

I know this video is for the top 5 week but has anyone watched this or any of these Idolatry videos before? I remember watching them last year and, for some reason, I have not watched them much this season. Anyway, they are hilarious and their interviews are quite good too. They don't have the one up for this week yet but this video is very funny, especially the parts about the Danny/Alison food fight and how Alison and Kara one upped Simon. The Simon bashing is hilarious!

I can't wait to see their stuff for this week considering they don't seem to like Danny and LOVE Alison.
I just watched that one today about the top 5. I can't wait to see the one with this week's show. Not only with Allison, but I don't think they are 100% high on Adam and I have to wonder if they say something about the pimping from the night.
They seem ok with Adam. I think, like me, it depends. They seem to like him when he doesn't go too far over the top, which is the way I feel.

I'm eagerly waiting for them to post this week's stuff though. It should be entertaining.
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May 7 2009, 04:11 PM
Okay may have to throw out my theory about there being 3 EW covers. :redface:

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God, just end the show now. Declare Adam the winner and call it a day. The sooner it's over, the sooner I can watch him flop on the radio. His music will not be mainstream and he'll be a moderate success at best. I think everyone's trying to buck the Idol trend by getting an unconventional winner, but really, can anyone see him being a big success when it's all over?
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There's only one cover - the Adam cover. It talks about his life and stuff and then asks the question if he is gay or not.

Adam says "I am who I am."
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May 7 2009, 07:23 PM
cubsgirl
May 7 2009, 04:11 PM
Okay may have to throw out my theory about there being 3 EW covers. :redface:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2lo63pu.jpg
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

God, just end the show now. Declare Adam the winner and call it a day. The sooner it's over, the sooner I can watch him flop on radio. His music will not be mainstream and he'll be a moderate success at best. I think everyone's trying to buck the Idol trend by getting an unconventional winner, but really, can anyone see him being a big success when it's all over?
I think your right that they want someone unique and different, which is why the show has latched on to him and pimped him harder then they ever have pimped anyone.

As I said, I'm not a big fan of him but I do see him being extremely successful, at least right off the bat I do while so many people are fixated on him and what he is about. After his first album and tour is when it will become a problem because the appeal will have worn off and then it will be all about what he puts out and, if he doesn't put out a product that is appealing, then he will just fall right off the map. He is mainstream enough in how rare he is in terms of vocal talent and look but, as I said, after the appeal wears off he may be in trouble because I think he thrives off people being fixated on him. He's basically Stephen Tyler or Kiss but they managed to stay successful because their music remained at a quality that pleased their target audiences and genres. If he doesn't do that, he will be an afterthought once people get over how unique and different he is.
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May 7 2009, 07:28 PM
There's only one cover - the Adam cover. It talks about his life and stuff and then asks the question if he is gay or not.

Adam says "I am who I am."
Thanks, King.

Well, then that is unfair. Horribly unfair but, as I said, it's no worse then half the shit the show has done this year or last year to manipulate things to get what they want. I half expect shit like this now.

I do like that answer of his. Why does it matter if he is gay? I could care less and I would hope others would follow that but I'm sure that is not the case. I do applaud him for how he handles questions like that about his life.
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Dreamlander

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And whether she goes on to rock the stage of her local La Curacao department store, or perform for sold-out arenas, she'll never again have to pause after a performance, grit her teeth, and have her personality, her fashion sense, her song choices, and various other non-singing-related ''flaws'' picked apart by a one-time hired hand for Journey, a verbose she-beast in search of the perfect ''package artist,'' a woman who isn't ashamed to lip-synch in front of the singing hopefuls she judges on a weekly basis, and a dude who cares so little about his $36 million job that he keeps one eye on the clock while fantasizing about his cigarette breaks.


Loved that! LOL
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Just saw this on Perez. Apparently the homophobes are spreading it around the web.

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All this talk about Adam is going is going to clinch him the win. It's just like the old saying, "Whether they're talking bad about you or talking good about you, at least they're talking about you." The Adam fans are already super devoted. The more people hate on him, the more inspired they'll be to vote. Especially if homophobes are using his drag show pictures as a reason for him not to win.
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Alison's exit interview

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20007164_20171835_20277666,00.html

The moment he said ''Start beggin''' was the moment I said, ''Oh no you didn't.'' I was just like, I don't need to beg. I'm here to sing.
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May 7 2009, 07:34 PM
From Emtertainment Weekly
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And whether she goes on to rock the stage of her local La Curacao department store, or perform for sold-out arenas, she'll never again have to pause after a performance, grit her teeth, and have her personality, her fashion sense, her song choices, and various other non-singing-related ''flaws'' picked apart by a one-time hired hand for Journey, a verbose she-beast in search of the perfect ''package artist,'' a woman who isn't ashamed to lip-synch in front of the singing hopefuls she judges on a weekly basis, and a dude who cares so little about his $36 million job that he keeps one eye on the clock while fantasizing about his cigarette breaks.


Loved that! LOL
LOL!

Yeah, I posted the link to that article a few hours ago. That was funny!

Kenny, you are so right. All the haters are just furthering Adam as a lock. The more vulgar and offensive it gets, the more mobilized his fans get and the more others turn on the favorites of those bashing Adam.
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