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| American Idol Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 04:55 PM (64,997 Views) | |
| Kenny | May 13 2009, 01:12 AM Post #2481 |
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Here's what the DI chart looked like on Season 6: Melinda - 29 Jordin - 27 Blake - 27 Here's what it looks like currently for Season 8: Adam - 29 Kris - 27 Danny - 27 Melinda was 2.52 ahead of Blake. More than what separates Adam & Danny (2.45). It's really anyone's guess who will go home tomorrow. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | May 13 2009, 01:26 AM Post #2482 |
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Well, that's been obvious LOL. I think when the Kris/Adam story came out weeks ago they actually blew it out of proportion and the real tension was with Adam and Danny. I mean, just look at last week. Adam and Kris both looked sick that Danny got to stay over Alison. We could see Kris took some issue with Danny after the duet last week. I said right away tonight when the three came out you could tell there was tension and Danny reaching for both Kris and Adam at the end and putting his arms around them was such a joke LOL. They both come from different worlds and the media has really pushed that angle and I think that is why there has been this push for a Adam/Danny finale. The whole good vs evil dynamic and I think many assume there is tension there and that makes it more interesting then it being buddy vs buddy. Just reading the article, you could tell there was tension and that isn't just because of what Adam says and the pause in the middle. That exchange between Adam and Danny where they are taking about their reasons for doing the show (and they both make good points) came off a bit testy until Adam playfully joked around that Danny likes the attention (duh!) but somehow I can see that playing a little more as a jab then a playful joke. I just got that sense. Sure, it seemed like Kris and Danny were ok in the clothing store but I think those two more or less just act civil at this point, especially after last week. Adam tried to make it sound ok by saying they've bonded but I doubt it. Maybe they are just being civil because they have to live together but I can't see it being more then that. Same goes for Danny and Kris, despite the fact that they seem to come from similar worlds and beliefs. This reminds me alot of season 5 and, to a lesser extent, season 3. There was camaraderie in spots but not as a whole. Look back at last year's group, for example. They all got along. They all seemed genuine. This year, it's more in pairs or groups. I get the feeling all the girls got along but the guys never showed any sort of camaraderie outside of some moments with Matt and Danny. Once we got down to the top 5, It seemed like Alison was the only one they all got along with. Some may find it interesting but I hate the tension. I prefer close knit groups. I know Simon has been going on and on about how he wants to see more footage of the Idols in the mansion fighting with each other (the show wanted to show the Idols more in the mansion this year but there was no time) but if it ever gets that cutthroat, I may not want to watch. Season 5's finale was very awkward. I know they said they were friends but Taylor and Katherine seemed very icy. I always felt some distance there. If it ends up being Danny/Adam, that will make that look happy LOL. Thanks for that article though, Kenny. Very interesting to read about their schedules and how hectic there are. Adam seems to love to shop and Kris and Danny seem like the typical guy, not knowing what to buy and hating shopping LOL. The bit about Kris' shirt was funny. I just don't agree with Adam about Alison being a star in two years or so. I think she can be now if she gets the proper treatment. Very good and enlightening article though, especially since it shed some light on the Danny/Adam relationship. I wish we could've heard more from Kris but, once again, more buzz for Danny and Adam. I hate that Kris was inspired by Castro. He is far better then him LOL and Cook inspiring Adam and Danny makes sense. As for DialIdol, they redeemed themselves last week by picking Alison to go home and this is normally the time of the season that they nail it. I wouldn't expect anyone in green, especially this year with how screwed up Dialidol has been at times. That doesn't always happen anyway, especially now with 3 strong fanbases in play. It's going to be tight. Usually you only get someone in green when they completely tank or get thrown under the bus (Syesha and Castro last year, for example) but we do have a fairly solid prediction placement that is reminiscent of past seasons at this point and, considering Kris gets help from texting, I'm going to say the placement is right and Danny is gone. I won't go on record with that yet but we know the Kris is helped immensely by texts and the fact that he already has a slim lead on Danny on DialIdol and all the data seems to rank him ahead is a good sign. Plus, we do not know who was bottom two last week. They said it was all random so we don't know who was higher last week...Danny, Kris, or Adam. I will say Adam was first last week but the other two...who knows. Tomorrow will be a nail-biter for sure. I just hope all of our hard work doesn't go for nothing because I'm sure my fingers will be sore as hell at work tomorrow LOL. I don't even know why I'm still up and posting and making them hurt more :laugh: . |
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| PhoenixRising05 | May 13 2009, 01:31 AM Post #2483 |
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Wow...freaky that the numbers are the same. That was back during a time though when DialIdol was very accurate. A part of me still thinks the show is doing something to screw with it on top of the fact that the site changed their system and has not been the same since. It should be noted though that Jordin and Blake got alot of help from text votes in season 6. I don't remember where I read it but there was an article on it shortly after the finale. They both appealed to young people anyway and Blake had some rabid fans so no shock there. Both of them benefited from being appealing to the youth. I LOVED Melinda but she was the Danny back then (even if their top 3 placements are different as we see here). Melinda was older and she appealed more toward an older audience and that hurt her in the end, just like it did others like Latoya London. I think that same thing will hurt Danny too. Plus, both Melinda and Danny had never been in the bottom 3 to that point (that we know of, I still think they hid the fact that both were in their respective seasons) so many felt they were safe. I doubt Danny's fans got complacent tonight but I know Melinda's fans did. Boy, would the judges and country shit a brick if Adam goes LOL. I hope not though. Gokey needs to go, first and foremost. I think what Dialidol said is right on, just like last week. I believe they nailed the placements last week and will nail them this week. I think Adam is a lock and I suspect Kris will get in for reasons I mentioned but Danny beating him certainly would not surprise anyone. Kris does seem to be getting his normal help from the West Coast, which is helping him hold his position on DialIdol, and Adam seems to be getting a little help too from them, about as much as he normally gets it seems. Even though I think they are right, I'm still taking them with a grain of salt though based on their track record this year. They may have redeemed themselves last week but I need to see more to see if DialIdol is really back on track. Anything is possible. Lil was first or second on DialIdol and ended up in the bottom 3 one week and going home the next so these placements may not tell the whole story. We'll have to learn for sure tomorrow and I'm anxious as hell LOL. Edited by PhoenixRising05, May 13 2009, 01:43 AM.
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| Kenny | May 13 2009, 02:03 AM Post #2484 |
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Many fans are reporting that when they tried voting for Kris and Adam tonight, it said "thank you for voting for Contestant #1." That's fucking Danny Gokey. Something smells shitty. |
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| Angie79 | May 13 2009, 02:08 AM Post #2485 |
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According to a backup singer, the judges COULD help the contestants with the song this week. from twitter of the the backup singer Sy Smith. http://twitter.com/Syberspace (set to private tho) Basically, because it was the week where the judges picked the song, they had the option of coming to the rehearsal and give pointers/advice to the contestant that they picked a song for. Simon was the only judge who cared enough to check up on his contestant for rehearsal. So he was telling Kara it’s not fair that she’s upset with him for the way he interpreted his song, because if she really cared she could have come to the rehearsal and go over it with him. http://mjsbigblog.com/?p=7337&cp=17#comments |
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| Angie79 | May 13 2009, 02:08 AM Post #2486 |
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Adam was number 3. |
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| Angie79 | May 13 2009, 02:13 AM Post #2487 |
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Danny - 01, 04, 07 Kris - 02, 05, 08 Adam - 03, 06, 09 |
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| Kenny | May 13 2009, 02:21 AM Post #2488 |
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Ohh, that's right! I read it wrong. Some of the Adam fans were trying to vote for #3 but got #1 instead. Same for Kris Allen fans. I just edited my post above, LoL. Whatever the case, I just hope Kris is safe. He seems to be the king of text votes. |
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| cubsgirl | May 13 2009, 06:24 AM Post #2489 |
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Just sort of an interesting application I found on Facebook where you can vote for AI. Interesting results You can vote up to five times a week (but if you are a frequent weekly voter you get more votes). I put it as a spoiler just in case others don't want to know. Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Kenny | May 13 2009, 06:48 AM Post #2490 |
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Paula predicted on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night that Danny Gokey will win the whole show. Yuck. |
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| cubsgirl | May 13 2009, 08:10 AM Post #2491 |
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I think that would be horrible especially if it came to a Danny/Adam finale. Both Kris and Adam are more artistically above Danny in song arrangements and performance aspects. |
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| Kenny | May 13 2009, 10:32 AM Post #2492 |
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I'm still pissed at Simon basically begging people to vote for Adam last night. It was also shitty the way he gave Adam an endorsement from Bono. Every song has to be cleared by the original artist. Was it really necessarily for him to make a big production out of the fact that Bono gave his stamp of approval to Adam? Ugh. I really hope his shrieky ass goes home tomorrow. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | May 13 2009, 11:10 AM Post #2493 |
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Yeah. I knew that after the whole debacle with the judges. I'm just shocked they let them do it because I've never heard that they could before, unless it's something new. Whatever the case, it was pretty shitty that Kara and Randy did not know about it, assuming they were being genuine about not knowing. I saw that Facebook application. That is good news. I also read that Kris and Adam have more downloads then Danny so that is good. I'm shocked Paula would say that. That makes no sense. Danny Gokey will be worse for Idol then Taylor Hicks. Only reason she would say that is to build up the finale they think they will get. I remember she said that Archie would win last year too. It has to be Adam or Kris for them to have any level of success with the winner this year. As for the phone lines, there are complaints every week like that. I won't deny that shit happens but I do think some of it is made up just to turn people against a certain contestant if their favorite goes home or just to make excuses should their favorite go home. Again, I do believe it does happen but, assuming they wanted Gokey in the finale, I don't see them doing that to Gokey's line. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | May 13 2009, 11:25 AM Post #2494 |
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Again, that is all on Simon, not Adam. Alot of it was Simon doing what Randy likes to do, which is make a big deal out of the fact that he knows big name people in music and that he can go out and have lunch with them and shit like that. It's all part of the judge's screwing around IMO only this time they made it a little more about Adam. It's no different then last year though when several times last season during results week Ryan would point out to Cook how the original person behind the song he sang loved his version of it. That was a stamp of approval too. It all comes down to whether or not the person getting all the hype is someone you like LOL. That makes it easier to tolerate. As for him asking people to vote for Adam, I didn't mind it. It annoys more that he's never said that in the past to others like Melinda, Chris, etc who get sent home prior to the finale. I wish he had reminded people not to assume and to vote for them so they would not have gone home. They really are hurting Adam alot with some people by all the pimping but what amazes me is that they did the same thing for Cook. The only difference was they were a little less blatant about it and Archie was the other favorite and he was much more mainstream then Gokey so they had a reason to push him. Rarely anyone complained about Cook's lighting or the praise for him. I realize that he doesn't have Adam's "shrieking" and that the pimping is not as bad but it still was pretty heavy last year with Cook. The fact that so many wanted Archie to lose and that Cook was very likable and was so good at what he did is probably why he was able to overcome the pimping. I just think that if you want Adam out it should be because you just don't like his voice or performances. That was how it was with Archie for me. The pimping annoyed me and so did his father but I also don't like most of his performances on the show. If it's because of the pimping that you want Adam out, I just don't think that is fair because it's not like he asked for it LOL. The good thing is that it seems most people that want him out do want him out because they don't like his voice and performances and I take no issue with that. I like Adam but if Kris does end up in the finale, I will be pushing more for him only because of how far he has come and because I like what he does and it would really screw over the judges if they lost both their horses in the race. Most of the reason I push for Adam is because he and Alison were close and I have to support the lone rocker right now LOL and I prefer him over Gokey so, hopefully,. Gokey will be gone and then I can push a little more for Kris. However, I'm going to let the performances on the finale kind of guide me too if it's between Adam and Kris. |
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| DaysFanJean | May 13 2009, 11:37 AM Post #2495 |
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I want Adam and Kris in the finale, too. I love Adam to pieces. He performs electrifyingly exciting performances. That's what I love. Kris has so much charm and charisma that you want to hug him. Love him to pieces, too. He doesn't sing as well as Danny, but he has so much more going for him, in my opinion. |
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| Paxton | May 13 2009, 12:04 PM Post #2496 |
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I honestly don't think Danny has a better voice than Kris. I'm willing to concede though that I know very little about music, pretty much only liking what I like, and if Danny is a better vocalist so be it. I just don't like him or his voice, whereas I just like everything about wee adorable Kris. If it's an Adam/Danny finale, even though I don't like Danny, I won't care enough to vote. If it's Adam/Kris, I'll vote for Kris because I really like him and while I like Adam as a person, his singing and performing style do not appeal to me. I would never buy his music. I would buy Kris's. So my not voting for Adam will have nothing to do with the pimping, even though I hate it. I wouldn't buy Danny's music either, but if it's Danny/Adam I may not even watch the finale. |
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| cubsgirl | May 13 2009, 12:14 PM Post #2497 |
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^^I have to agree with you. This morning I was thinking that if it ends up being a Adam/Danny finale I probably won't vote at all. I know at one point I said that I would vote like crazy for Adam in this situation. But over the last few weeks with all of the pimping of Adam I have gotten really turned off. I was never a 100% crazy about him so I feel that if I ended up putting a ton of votes for him it will only: 1) feed into the image TPTB wanted me to accept all season 2) will only be voting against Danny because I don't like him or his personality So if ends up being a Adam/Danny finale I am probably not going to vote at all. I will end up watching it because out of habit I have to watch this every year. My votes will only go for Kris if he makes it to the finale. He won me over and has become my favorite of the season. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | May 13 2009, 12:16 PM Post #2498 |
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Good post, Paxton. That was what I was saying. If you just don't like Adam, that's fine. I just don't think the pimping should be a reason to want him gone and I'm seeing that sort of reaction on several boards, many of which were ok a year ago when Cook and Archie got pimping, even if it wasn't as much as Adam. I think Danny has a decent upper register. He has no lower register at all. Archuleta had a better one and that says alot because he seems to have the same breathing problem Danny has at times while singing. Now, Danny seems to be yelling a bit more instead of just riding with his upper register and my guess is that he's doing it because of Adam but it comes off terrible because with Danny you can tell it's just yelling. With Adam, his voice carries and he actually hits notes most of the time with it so it comes off better for many people. Danny is just very hit and miss in his performances. Kris, on the other hand, never tries to do anything that doesn't suit him. He tailors the song to suit his voice and tone so that he never goes outside his range. Therefore, you never have that hit or miss quality that Danny's performances have. If Kris' performance sucks, it's usually because of the song choice. Adam is the same way. He tailors everything to suit him. Danny really should've mastered that by now so that his weaknesses don't show as much or don't show at all. The last thing he should be doing is trying to be like Adam like he did last week or going outside his vocal range at all. |
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| Manny | May 13 2009, 01:12 PM Post #2499 |
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Well, I am late to the party, as always... Anyways, I was sick to my stomach that Adam got to be last again. It's painful... seriously... Danny's first song... Paula must have been on her pills when she chose this song. Well, unless she wanted to really hurt Danny... then I can see why she would choose this song. It was not good. Kris... Apologize... I still say this song suits him. And he did a good job. I didn't mind that he couldn't sing the high notes in the "It's too late" parts... But like I said (I don't know if I said here or on some other board), he really should have done this song by playing the guitar. It would have been better. Having said that, I still liked it. Adam... Well, lets just say he didn't disappoint me... I thought he would ruin one of my favorite songs and HE DID! When he began, I was like... NO! DAMMIT, DON'T MAKE ME LIKE YOU NOW! It was pretty amazing... and then... well, he became his normal self and I hated it and the song was ruined... Round 1, I would say goes to Kris for me. Judges comments... well, lame... I did like how Randy didn't LOVE "One"... Round two... Danny was AMAZING! You guys are just blinded by your hate and can't be objective.. :P :D I really think he was terrific. Loved the arrangement, loved the vocals. Probably his best performance, IMO. And my favorite of the night probably. Kris... when he said he was doing Heartless, my heart stopped. I was like: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! I have to admit, he was great. He was AMAZING! But I just don't like that song and I couldn't really get into it. The song. Kris was amazing! If he did this with Apologize, I think he would have gotten his moment much more than he's having now. And since both he and Danny were AMAZING, I will have to give Danny a small advantage, simply because he had a better song, IMO. Adam... did you notice that his voice at times sounded no different than the backup vocal? The woman.. and it was the same... only they didn't do it in sync so it was all the more of a mess... Just bad... So, hopefully Adam goes home, because I didn't like him at all and I the best TV moment of the year would be seeing judges' faces when its announced that Adam is going home... I would watch that moment over and over... |
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| Kevc1980 | May 13 2009, 01:14 PM Post #2500 |
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Still pulling for Kris to make it to the final 2...His version of Heartless was hot!! |
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