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| American Idol Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 04:55 PM (65,095 Views) | |
| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 02:19 PM Post #521 |
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If they pick all girls (or even two girls) I'll be disappointed. Ricky Braddy, Anoop Desai, Von Smith and Matt Giraud are oodles more talented than any of the girls and some of the guys. |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 02:25 PM Post #522 |
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They should be revealing the big surprise either tonight or next week. If you recall, there was an interview with one of the top AI producers back in January who teased that something big was coming up when we reached this point. TVWeek: Can we expect surprises as the season goes along? Mr. Darnell: Yeah. There’s a big surprise coming when we get to the top 12, but I can’t reveal it right now. TVWeek: Will it change the way we think of “American Idol?” Mr. Darnell: Well, it’s not going to change what you think of “American Idol” and we don’t want to do that. This show is, you know, a phenomenon. It’s American, it’s apple pie. We’re not changing the core of the show, but it is something that will be talked about and is something I think that has some element of controversy surrounding it. TVWeek: Do the contestants know? Mr. Darnell: No. No one knows. TVWeek: Is that part of it? You want to keep the contestants guessing? Mr. Darnell: Part of it. But I also think it’s more that it’s a long season and you want to keep as many surprises for the audience, for the press, for everybody, as you go along. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 5 2009, 02:27 PM Post #523 |
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Well he said its along season so maybe the top 12 will really be the top 14 or 16 or something ... |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 02:33 PM Post #524 |
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Maybe they'll reveal that the public has a chance to purge some of the people who've already made Top 12 in favor of the Wild Cards, LoL. I'll keep my fingers crossed! |
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| Manny | Mar 5 2009, 03:08 PM Post #525 |
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I am thrilled that all three of my choices made it through directly (Lil, Scott and Jorge). And I am also very pleased with who the judges picked. Love that Anoop is there and Ricky Braddy! Hope they make it through. The third person... Well I don't really care... I just hope it isn't Tatiana (but I know she will be). I am so sick of her and her crying. She's like BB8 Amber... And while I laugh at Amber now, I was so sick of her during BB8. |
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| cubsgirl | Mar 5 2009, 04:13 PM Post #526 |
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Boy I would all for something like that. I would vote like crazy to get a few people off. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 04:29 PM Post #527 |
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I agree. Way too much focus on the reality aspect. I mean, why is that? Idol is not a reality show. It's reality competition. This is exactly why I warned people last year to be careful what they wished for when they complained about the show not spending enough time on helping them to get to know the contestants. Now, that's all the show does? It focuses on personality and image and we have Kara going on and on about wanting to know what these singers like to show with! Christ, who cares?! The reality drama is fun during Hollywood week but let's keep it there or at least limit it to the kind of stuff we sometimes see in the top 12. I just read an article in TV Guide about the show and how slow it's been moving and how the singing only accounts for two thirds of the show right now. One of the reasons cited was Ryan chatting up the contestants. Between that and the judges going on and on...it's just too much. They really need to tweak things alot and I pray they do going into the top 12. Whatever happened to just judging the singing and performance and saving all the other stuff for the results show if need be? I mean, they fill the results show with needless filler so why not leave the performance show for just that...the performances. You can have the judges explain their comments and interview the contestants more in-depth on the results show. I am thankful they stopped having the families in the red room with the contestants the past two weeks too because that was just annoying and a waste of time, especially when most of the people are going to be cut? As I said, let's worry about getting to know these people in detail later in the top 12. What's the sense now when only 12 make it through? I also had to laugh at that group performance. They keep getting worse and worse. I hate taking songs by an individual and having so many people sing there. It always comes off awkward. I hated the way they did it last night too. I feel bad for Scott but this is just going to be a problem in more ways then one. The contestants can't move around too much because they don't want Scott's limitations to be too noticeable and the result will be awkward crap like last night. Not only that but sympathy is going to come into play. He's good but he's not great and I have a feeling we will see some people go home that shouldn't at his expense. That alone makes me kind of hope the judges will decide who goes home out of the bottom two. Back to the sympathy thing, it's just gotten annoying. I mean, all these people talking about doing this to give their family better lives and having to struggle through economic times is just beyond tiresome. Idol sure picked the wrong time to focus on all that junk because we ALL are struggling. The economy sucks so when I hear person after person going on about it, it just annoys me and alienates me from some of these people. It's ok to want better but some of these people come off like they are worse off then others and they aren't. That and I feel like I'm watching stuff from the Hallmark Channel with all these inspirational shit going on. I feel bad for Danny and all these others with problems but let's stop exploiting it. I know Idol likes to do that but it's never been as bad as this year and it's a direct result of Simon's bitching about the people being boring last year and the many complaints about not knowing the contestants. Ugh. Please just go back to the way things were and lay off the sob stories. The manipulation is also more blatant. It has been since season 6. I remember they used to do a much better job of hiding their favoritism and how many times someone gets the "pimp" spot. Since season 6, it's been so blatant. Remember how many times that year Jordin and Melinda got the last slot of the show? Same goes for last year. The judges make it obvious who they like now and the show makes it obvious who they are pushing. Not only that but enough with the petty shit between Randy, Paula, Kara, and Simon. I still remember last year with Simon and Randy essentially competing to see who was right between the two Davids. As a result, Randy nitpicked on Cook and Simon nitpicked on Archuleta and I hated that. Don't let personal shit get in the way of judging. Since I've yet to do my performance comments this week, here I go... I did find Lil Rounds terrific Tuesday night. I actually thought they all did ok overall. I don't think anyone butchered a song. Some made horrible song choices. That Arianna girl was beautiful but picked a song that was all wrong. Wow. I know it had those big notes at the end but it was far too gloomy, as Simon said. I just loved how everyone threw in a "glory note" or two Tuesday night. I did like Ju Not and thought he did great but he wouldn't have gotten far anyway. I did like the little banter |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 04:43 PM Post #528 |
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Since I've yet to do my performance comments this week, here I go... I did find Lil Rounds terrific Tuesday night. A bit copycat-like but she added enough of her own to make it work. She reminds me alot of LaToya London only she comes off a bit more younger and her personality is a bit more exciting. I actually thought they all did ok overall. I don't think anyone butchered a song. Some made horrible song choices. That Arianna girl was beautiful but picked a song that was all wrong. Wow. I know it had those big notes at the end but it was far too gloomy, as Simon said. I just loved how everyone threw in a "glory note" or two Tuesday night. I did like Ju Not and thought he did great but he wouldn't have gotten far anyway. I did like the little banter with him and Simon over his cortisone shot in the butt LOL. He seemed to have issues with asthma affecting his voice so maybe it's for the best. Kendall picked the right song and I liked her. Cute girl. Only problem was Kristin was too similar to her and has a slightly better voice so they probably split the vote. They should've split them up in different groups. Kristen was a confused mess though. She had no idea how to dress or what kind of songs she should sing. I couldn't believe this was the same girl from Hollywood during all that drama. She looked so nervous and confused and awkward. As Simon said, even her smile was awkward. I also hated how they kept lumping her in with Nathaniel just because of the drama. Speaking of Nathaniel, he was fun. Not horrible. He sang ok. He was fun and it was refreshing to see him lose the "drama queen" act. I found him enjoyable and liked how he dealt with the judge's comments. He even got to sit in Paula's lap. Cute! I was glad Simon made mention of all the talk over Jorge's accent. Who cares? This is what I hate about this season, as I said. I remember in Puerto Rico when they found him I was pissed at how much Kara and Paula focused on his accent and you could still understand what he was singing. As Simon said, he is who he is. Why do they keep trying to change these people yet they also want to know who these people are? Talk about a contradiction. Kara: I want to know who you are. What it's like to shop or hang with you. Next contestant performs. Kara: Yeah. You need to change your style. Oh, and lose that accent! Yeah. No wonder why people get confused on this damn show. This contradictory shit has to stop. These people are who they are. That is why I hate what they did to Alexis Grace. People keep talking about how fake she is. Well, they made her this way. They told her to dirty up her look. If she didn't do it, she would catch hell for it. I still remember how awkward she was in that short dress when she performed a few weeks ago. Glam the people up a bit but let them still be comfortable and who they want to me. I still remember Ann Marie (her last name starts with a B and I can't spell it LOL) during her first audition. The judges wanted her to look better so they sent her out. She already looked beautiful. She was just dressing how she likes. She comes back in a different outfit that showed a bit more skin and they liked it. It's disgusting to me. Ugh. Let them be themselves. Back to the performances, Felicia was great but, to me, her performance was a little too copycat. I also think she tried too hard. She can sing but I think her and Alison are too similar in style. Von was good too and I do see the Clay Aiken comparison. He actually looked a bit like Jesse McCartney Tuesday night. Very much so, actually. That is why I think King made a good point. There is too much talent but many of these people are similar. Matt and Ricky are essentially the same person and Danny is similar to them as well. That is just a few examples. As cubsgirl said, where is the diversity musically? We don't have that because the show spent too much them focusing on personality and image. Last year, we had that. Hell, we had that the past few years IMO. |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 04:55 PM Post #529 |
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LoL, I agree about Jorge. Why go to Puerto Rico if they didn't want someone with a Puerto Rican accent? As for the Matt/Ricky comparison, I don't see it at all. Their voices sound nothing alike, IMO. You should go back and listen to Matt Giraud's performance again, LoL. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 04:59 PM Post #530 |
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I have LOL. I usually watch the show back again because alot of times I get distracted. They sound similar. Not necessarily alike but I can see them both putting out similar music. I guess I was talking more about who they were as people and what kind of vibe they bring to the stage. I wouldn't mind them both getting through but I think one is enough. Personally, if I had a choice, I go with Ricky. There is just something about him but I like them both. Jorge is so cute though LOL. The way he says things in Spanish when he's so happy and can't think. He's likable but he won't go far. Edited by PhoenixRising05, Mar 5 2009, 05:00 PM.
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| Pearly | Mar 5 2009, 05:35 PM Post #531 |
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I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the controversial surprise will be that that the judges instead of America will choose the 3 to go forward, or the other 9 will choose and to add to the twist the decision will be made tonight. I know I went WAAAY out on the limb. :laugh: |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 06:21 PM Post #532 |
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There's also the possibility that the judges will choose who goes home this season. I'm guessing that America will still vote each week, and then the bottom two will have to "sing for their lives," followed by the judges deciding which of the two gets the boot. That would suck, too. They could just save their favorite(s) every week to ensure they get the Final 2 that they want. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 06:33 PM Post #533 |
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The sad part is that is likely to happen anyway. We saw it last year. If they push hard enough, they get what they want. They nearly did in season 6 too but Blake's fanbase stood in the way of that. I think that is why they don't even try to hide their blatant favoritism anymore because their attempts at pushing for what they want actually end up working. They use manipulative tactics and it works. Just look at the finale last year. Simon called it a knockout and then proceeded to wink at Cook a few moments later. You could tell he threw Cook under the bus to mobilize his fanbase to counteract Archie's. It was a smart move and it ended up getting the person the show wanted to win the competition. You could tell they wanted Cook because they missed out on Daughtry. People do let the judges influence them and some vote on what they say so I'm not surprised that the judges and the show are so blatant about it now. They know it works, whether people know what is going on or not. I'm not necessarily against letting the judges decide who goes home out of the bottom two. I kind of like the idea of "singing for survival." In fact, I'm thinking this is the twist because they did that same thing for some to get to the top 36. It seems to be the theme of this season...survival. Also, the judges are making alot better decisions overall then America to this point so I guess I'm willing to take the risk, if that is the twist LOL. |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 06:45 PM Post #534 |
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I agree that sometimes America can't be trusted to make the best decision about who stays and who goes, but still... if you take that power away from the public, it undermines the entire premise of the show. This isn't "Top Chef" or "Project Runway." The entire premise of the show was founded on the concept that America has the power. Sometimes, I wish they'd just get rid of the judges altogether. That way, their slanted feedback wouldn't be able to influence voters and ruin the integrity of the competition. Producers should just give everyone in the audience a device to rate each performance and let that be the sole feedback, LoL. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 06:51 PM Post #535 |
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^That isn't a bad idea, Kenny. Having people vote right then and there would be cook but it defeats the purpose of a results show. Wait, that makes this a GREAT idea LOL. In all honesty, I like the judge. I think Idol is what it is. I think the manipulative tactics have always been there. As I said, it's just more blatant now. I see what your saying about taking the power out of the people's hands but it isn't totally since they would just be having the judges eliminate someone from the bottom two. The people still vote and play a role in deciding that bottom two. For me, it's kind of like Dancing with the Stars which counts judge's scores in addition to the people's votes. It would be similar to that IMO. Sometimes I wish Idol did have an element where the judges actually score something. It would help keep Vote For The Worst people from getting far. I actually found last night with the judges making wild card selections more exciting then waiting to hear the results of what American decided. There was a bit more suspense and I don't think it's as predictable overall. The judges do have favorites but who knows what would happen when push came to shove. |
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| cubsgirl | Mar 5 2009, 07:03 PM Post #536 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if one day we found out that Simon threw Cook under the bus to get his fanbase going to get him to win. You know TPTB at Idol kick themselves for missing out on the chance to claim Daughtry as a winner. If you look over all the seasons of the show I think you can say there are FOUR superstars. Yes there are others that are pretty successful, but four commercial superstars. I think you could say the superstars of AI are Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood, Jennifer Hudson and Chris Daughtry. The last two didn't even win their season. I am sure Simon knew both David's would have success, but Archie would be more with the teenie crowd that grows up. Cook at the time had potential to cross a wider range of music listeners. I for one didn't need the prompting for Simon to get me to put all my votes I did for Cook last year. I was still pissed about Daughtry and wasn't going down without a fight to the Archie fans. (side note...Anyone seen the video on you tube of the teenies watching AI and seeing Archie lose? Very funny.) Sure if the judges send home someone based on the lowest number of votes from America they will be manipulating the situation. But with this season I feel like the whole top 12 has been manipulated. There were so many people we really didn't get to know in Hollywood week and then them come out these past three weeks and stink. We hear that they were better in Hollywood, yet we never saw it to helps us make that decision. I wouldn't not be surprised they had a good idea who they wanted in the top 12 and a few people were picked to go through simply to fill in spaces so the top 12 came off better. After all of the manipulation that I have been reading online this week about the Bachelor, wouldn't put anything past AI in order to keep the ratings. So let the judges send the person home, because there are too many people that vote for the wrong reasons in a SINGING COMPETITION. I remember the comment Simon made about that last season. |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 07:06 PM Post #537 |
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I wish Simon would quit telling people that they don't have any star quality/charisma. Didn't he say the same thing to David Cook and Chris Daughtry? Anyway, I'm re-watching Lil Rounds performance from the other night and I really like her. She doesn't have perfect vocals, but she has so much personality that just shines through everytime she's on the stage. Love her! |
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| Kenny | Mar 5 2009, 07:15 PM Post #538 |
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By the way, Mishavonna Henson, Kai Kalama, Stevie Wright, Casey Carlson, Ann Marie Boskovich, Stephen Fowler and Jeanine Vailes were (I believe) all the people not in attendance last night when the judges chose for Wild Card. Wonder why? |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 07:15 PM Post #539 |
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^I saw that video too, cubsgirl. Very funny. :laugh: I'm not so sure that the top 12 has been manipulated because, if you look at the top 12, Gokey is the only one that got pimped out big time. Alexis and Adam got pimped but not as much as him and Scott hasn't really been highlighted all that much since his audition. They barely showed him in Hollywood. I think the judges have not really gotten what they wanted. Paula is practically in love with Ricky Braddy and he didn't end up there. Simon clearly likes Megan and she didn't end up there. This is why I think these two will likely be wild cards or, at least will be under heavy consideration. They will never be able to show everything, especially during the auditions and during Hollywood week. I just think they have to do a better job of picking and choosing what they show. I mean, quit worrying about too much background information and reality junk and just focus on the performances. That's all. It's simple. It was a foregone conclusion that many talented people were going to be left off this year because there are only so many spots. I have been a major advocate for Micheal but I'm willing to agree the show would be better off giving his spot to Von or Ricky or someone like that. I just think Micheal going through is something that always seems to happen on Idol. It adds to the diversity. There is always someone with a decent voice that is likable and relatable that gets through and it's Micheal this year IMO. We'll see what happens tonight. It will be interesting because once we see who goes through, we can see how strong the 12 are and what should've been done since we all know that everyone that is there should not be there. I just wish they brought someone back other then Jasmine. I understand the reasoning in Tatiana but Jasmine?! Really?! She is obviously someone thrown in as an easy elimination. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Mar 5 2009, 07:20 PM Post #540 |
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They mentioned before the selections that the judges had some idea who they were going with even before the top 36 performances started so they just picked all the people who made big impressions on them. In other words, the people there last night were probably told after they were eliminated that they were under consideration. Looking at those names, the only one who had any chance was Ann Marie or Mishavonna. The others were just awful or boring and a few of them were raked over the coals so I can see why they weren't brought back. If I were Ann Marie, I would've have come back. After the way she was treated during her audition having to go home and chance her look, I would've told them to fuck off after I was eliminated. Oh, and I don't recall Simon saying that to Chris or David, Kenny. Although, Simon and David did have a little fight at this same point last year. Simon felt he was too arrogant or something and I think David even alluded to it in his speech when he won, calling himself the "word nerd" or something. Simon did say Jennifer Hudson had no star quality and I think he said the same about Clay. I also think he felt the same about Jordin too. He never seemed to be totally on board with her until the finale and her last performance when he knew she would win. |
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