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Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 04:55 PM (65,061 Views)
Kenny
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The recap, actually, plays a big role. Alot of times they use stuff from the rehearsals in it or they show a part of the performance that was not so good and that hurts a contestant big time. In other words, the recap is a way for Idol to manipulate voters to vote how they want them to as well LOL.
Everything about the show is manipulated and deliberate, LoL. It's all a giant conspiracy!
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Tim, I actually believe ALL of the recap at the end is from the dress rehearsal, if I'm not mistaken. I think that whole package is edited together before the live show even starts.


Gokey - Disappointed me tonight, but of course, he is still goo.

Kris - Wow! SO BAD!

Lil - I actually loved this tonight. I guess I disagree with the judges again!

Anoop - really good!

Scott - absolutely the worst performance of the night - and his worst!

Allison - so good!

Matt - He is my favorite, but I didn't love it as much as the judges did.

Adam - I have been hard on him, saying I hate most of his performances except Tracks of My Tears...but tonight he was absolutely OUTSTANDING. It is amazing how good he can be when he slows it down and doesn't screech it like Fantasia.
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If numbers stay the same....

Kris, Scott, Matt, and Anoop are in some serious trouble.
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Ok...here is my weekly overall rundown.

When will this show learn? It's had an issue with time more this season then any other and when they are forced to fit the show into an hour, what do they do? They waste time on baby pictures, stupid Coka Cola sponsored interviews (done to pimp their faves or to talk to the others to attempt to act like they aren't being biased), and on pointless judge's banter. I agree with what someone else in this thread said. The show is way too much about the judges this year. Just look at how Paula and Simon still went on and on about the whole "piano" issue with Scott. Simon made sure to point out Paula was wrong about him going with out it. It reminded me of the pettiness between Randy and Simon last May with the two Davids, with both of them making it about who was right. Stupid. The baby picture thing was cute and it was funny seeing Ryan and Simon act like the pictures were not of them. Kara looked weird, Paula was...Paula LOL. Randy looked cute. Still a waste of time and I missed seeing the judge's walk out on stage but that would've wasted more time. It's just funny because the point of doing a theme like this is to make it so that no mentor is needed and the contestants can just sing and time can be saved yet the show went nearly 8 minutes over time. Morons. Cut the long-winded judge's banter and cut out the needless filler. Save that shit for results show nights if you insist on doing it. I was shocked because they usually speed things up a bit quicker. I think they waited longer then usual tonight to do that.

I also have to say that the past two themes proved that they just don't work. I've been saying it for the past few seasons but it just seems like we never have good weeks when we have themes like the past two weeks. The theme is just too broad and people get wrapped up in singing songs they like that they grew up with instead of songs that are right for them. That and if you get stuck with a year that has very little songs that are right for you to choose from, your pretty much screwed. I think they should just keep it to themes like 80's week so it's not as restricted. You can be broad but don't be so restrictive and keep it to the year they were born. I know they want to show baby pictures and all but they can find another way to work that in without doing the theme exactly like tonight.

Now, on to the performances:

Danny: Meh. Played it safe. Vocals were ok but he was a bit nasally, which tends to become noticeable about times. He seems to have breathing issues that become obvious in certain songs and I heard it in his voice tonight. The song choice was too safe though and, while he did put some of his own spin on it, the arrangement wasn't very good. I agree with Simon. The middle was lazy but I would also say the beginning wasn't good but, rather, it was awful. The end wasn't bad. Overall, not a very good performance and if anyone else but him went first they would probably be screwed based on this performance.

Kris: Another safe performance. The song choice was not bad. It actually suited him and was smart in that it appealed to his female fans. He sang it ok but he did very little with it. Like Danny, he did things here and there but played it safe overall. It was boring and nothing special, not something you want going second, especially when you don't have the security in this competition that Adam and Danny has. I did like that he showed personality and brought the guitar back out. I didn't think it was indulgent at all like some of the judges said. I think the song itself is indulgent and he just performed it like it should be performed but he wasn't intentionally indulgent. I also like that Matt seemed to start a trend last week with people performing amongst the audience. I liked Kris doing that. The setup is all here though for a shocking elimination. Kris went second, had an underwhelming performance, went after Danny (one of the faves), picked a song that wasn't very known, and we are at a point in the season where we see shocking eliminations happen with more regularity. I can only hope if he is truly out, that the judge's save him. He's talented and a true artist and would be worth the save. I believe he would do better next week and survive if he was saved.

Lil: Nice to finally learn what her real name is and the reason behind it. She looked great tonight. Her best look. You know your in trouble, though, when the judge's start with talking about your looks. It's odd because she made a great song choice and I looked forward to her singing it. I thought she was in her element and it started ok and then there were flat notes all over the place and she tried too hard to imitate Tina Turner, right down to the walk. It just became too much of a ripoff and I agree with the judge's 100%. I'm glad they finally got harsh with her because they had been giving her passes at times and never really blasting her but they did this week. She looked like she was going to cry but also looked pissed. I like her but I think her ego has grown too large. I think Lil knows she has a strong fanbase and feels the judges will save her based on their comments in the past if she got eliminated, hence why she says one thing and still does her own thing. She's bought into the hype about her IMO and that is why she will say the same shit every week, just like Megan did. She says it to get people off her back but then comes out and still does the same thing. Girl has an ego the size of Texas LOL. It's funny too because so much of her hype was based on Hollywood and one performance in the top 36. She doesn't exactly have alot going on to make her worthy of all the hype she got and this week she wasn't horrible but wasn't very good either. She, too, was safe and she's lost alot of her spark. Her electric personality is gone, both during and after her performances. She comes off old-fashioned during her performances and, afterward, she always looked pissed when the judge's critique her. I liked her before but I'm over her now. She should be in danger based on her performance but her fanbase will save her.

Anoop: I liked his look tonight. Anoop was safe too tonight, sadly. Perhaps that day off during the week was not a good idea since everyone played it safe. I mean, he sang well but nothing special. I did like the song he chose and thought it was a nice choice by him. I prefer him this way then what he was last week with the R&B/Hip Hop crap where he comes off like an indulgent, dancing jackass. I like that he apologized too because he was an ass last week but Simon is right as well that he can give it back to the judges a bit as well. That should only happen when there is a reason though and there was no reason last week because he wasn't even bitching about the right thing LOL. He was out of line and realized it and rightfully apologized. The shoutouts to North Carolina and Chapel Hill were fun though and I have to wonder if the people up there voting for him will vote with all the partying going on LOL. He was better this week, though, but nothing special. He will likely be bottom 3 again this week.

Scott: Dreadful. I like that he took a risk and went with a guitar and stayed away from the piano but it sucked big time. The song was a bit cheesy too, although I appreciate him picking a song with more range and one that was more interesting. Too bad he has little range in his vocals. Plus, didn't he only strum the guitar once? I realize it's difficult but still. What a waste. As I said, hated how Simon mentioned his debate with Paula again over the whole piano thing . Christ, that shit has been going on for weeks and I'm shocked Simon has become so petty and immature in the past two seasons. LET IT GO!! Scott has a good sense of humor and takes it all so well. He takes the criticism and all the stupid shit with Paula and Simon in a classy fashion. He's a better person then I would be. I applaud him for that but he was bad tonight and maybe being behind the piano is best for him. He did ok last week but awful this week and really should be the one going home. He should be a lock for the bottom 3 though.

Alison: One of the best of the night for me and her performance pretty much got the show going in the right direction as before this things were very trying LOL. The judges hit the nail on the head as to why she doesn't seem to be getting the votes. Her electric personality, which she does have, is not getting through. That is partly the show's fault though because, with the exception of the week she went last, they always cast her aside and rush her and the judge's commentary due to time constraints or don't give her any attention. They just say she is good and she IS good. She should be the one pimped to win the whole thing IMO. She's consistent, dynamic, personable, and I do find her very similar to Kelly Clarkson in vocal style and in personality. She was great tonight. She took a risk, did the song her own way while also making the decision to stay true to the melody, and showed a new side to herself. A softer, more vulnerable side, which should help with the voters I would hope. She just proved she's multi-dimensional as an artist, even though that much was already clear. I think her intro video may help her too. It told people more about her and showed her personality. LOL to her mother taking her to the doctor's because she talked too much. Most parents do that when their child doesn't talk at all or only a little but she couldn't get her to shutup. Funny stuff LOL. I understand what the judge's said and think they are right but I do think Alison's personality has gotten though. We've seen it when the judge's have talked and she chimed in during the middle of their banter and on results night she shows her personality. It just does not show enough, I guess, but I think personality and connection to the at home audience is the key with her going far. She should be safe this week though and my hope is she can get to the top 3 AT LEAST.

Matt: Matt was one of the best tonight too IMO. He was back in form tonight and totally in his element. The song choice, the performance, the hat (I love that hat on him so good seeing it again), the moving around the stage...all him and he showed his talent tonight. Great vocals. He really needs to stick with this jazzy, soul stuff with a pop twist. Well-done all around for him. Wow...how sad. I just did what the judge's did. I didn't give him a whole lot of commentary or attention. I just kept it short and to the point. I feel bad that he and Alison get the shaft and now here I am sort of doing the same to him by being so short and to the point LOL. Matt and Alison always seem to get rushed so they don't get the full audience reaction and judge's commentary they should get. Ugh. Although it's nice to see the judges being blunt and to the point and not taking two hours to talk LOL but, as Kenny noted, that can be both a good and bad thing. It's good in that it saves time and we don't get tons of judge's banter. Plus, they don't get to nitpick and build up a negative momentum. On the other hand, you don't get as much constructive criticism nor do you get the complete reward you deserve from the audience and judge's. Matt should be safe, without a doubt. He deserves it this week in what was a nice rebound week for him.

Adam: I'm stunned again by him. First off, I cringed when I saw the vampire costume picture. What was with all the strange Halloween costumes and creepy, over the top laughs tonight (I'm talking about you, Scott!)? ANNOYING!! I almost felt like they were setting us up for a performance like Adam's "Ring of Fire" butchering. I also enjoyed his intro video about his childhood. I enjoyed everyone's. They all looked cute with their baby pictures and I enjoyed seeing their family life (although Danny's video established a new level of cheesy LOL). Adam with the freckles was so cute and he looked so different but you sure can tell he was born to perform. The kid seemed to take in interest in this very young. As for his performance...I was impressed. I mean....WOW...best of the night for me. I didn't think he screeched at all. Why can't he tone it down this much every week? I could be a fan of his if he did. That performance was haunting and just amazing. I don't know if it was worthy of Simon standing up because he hasn't done that for anyone, at least not until the winner is announced at the end (I expect it from the other judges), but it really was good. He has been been better the last few weeks for me. Two weeks ago I loved him. Last week wasn't that bad. This week he was fantastic. Good song choice. Great performance. He's definitely growing on me and I like him better then Danny, who is just way too smug and I almost feel like between the cheesy-ass family life video and pretty much all the video we see of him...he's just a phony. I feel like he is painting himself as this good, wholesome, guy who does no wrong and has been through the ringer. Adam, on the other hand, is not as cocky. He's humble and listens to the judge's and their criticism. He doesn't talk back and understands they have their opinion. Danny does the opposite IMO. Good for Adam and there is no doubt he is safe tonight LOL. He did great tonight and I think he is one fantastic performance away from solidifying his finale spot and putting all the pressure on Danny. He's already had two big moments and Danny has really only had the one during the top 36 round.

All in all, the performances of Alison, Matt, and Adam saved this night from disaster. I hope they rethink the themes we saw the past two weeks and don;t automatically go with them again next year. They have not lead to some good nights the past few years.



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Apr 7 2009, 10:32 PM
PhoenixRising05
Apr 7 2009, 10:23 PM
The recap, actually, plays a big role. Alot of times they use stuff from the rehearsals in it or they show a part of the performance that was not so good and that hurts a contestant big time. In other words, the recap is a way for Idol to manipulate voters to vote how they want them to as well LOL.
Everything about the show is manipulated and deliberate, LoL. It's all a giant conspiracy!
Never used to be that way.

It all changed when Daughtry got eliminated and Taylor won. Now I think they don't feel they can trust the audience on their own so they intercede where they can, thinking it's not blatant when it is LOL.
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I wonder if Adam being cut off by DVR's will hurt him.

Probably not. I feel like most people watch this show live.
Edited by King, Apr 7 2009, 11:09 PM.
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Apr 7 2009, 10:44 PM
Tim, I actually believe ALL of the recap at the end is from the dress rehearsal, if I'm not mistaken. I think that whole package is edited together before the live show even starts.


Gokey - Disappointed me tonight, but of course, he is still goo.

Kris - Wow! SO BAD!

Lil - I actually loved this tonight. I guess I disagree with the judges again!

Anoop - really good!

Scott - absolutely the worst performance of the night - and his worst!

Allison - so good!

Matt - He is my favorite, but I didn't love it as much as the judges did.

Adam - I have been hard on him, saying I hate most of his performances except Tracks of My Tears...but tonight he was absolutely OUTSTANDING. It is amazing how good he can be when he slows it down and doesn't screech it like Fantasia.
I always thought it was a mix because sometimes the shots look the same as things you see in the real performances, at least to me. I originally thought it was all from the dress rehearsals but began to doubt it with time LOL. I know your right though about that because it makes it easier to manipulate. They can show good parts (hitting high notes, etc) for the show's "chosen few" and can show flat notes and bad parts of performances for those they may want out at the time.

By the way, I just read on the DialIdol forums that apparently Alison and Miley Cyrus have been texting each other. they seem to befriend each other when Miley taped her performance for one of the results shows and I guess Miley is telling her fans that Alison is her favorite and they should all vote for her.

Finally! Something that can help Alison get votes. Miley has major impact and Alison is a teen herself so this could have a big impact. Teens really can make the difference as they will vote like crazy for those they like. If her vote total remains higher as we go along like it is this week, then I guess we can attribute that to Miley moreso then people taking to Alison all of a sudden based just on her singing/personality/etc LOL.
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Apr 7 2009, 11:09 PM
I wonder if Adam being cut off by DVR's will hurt him.

Probably not. I feel like most people watch this show live.
I think most watch it live but, even if they missed it, it wouldn't hurt him. There are places that stream the show online and there are many that will vote for him regardless of actually seeing him perform since he is their favorite.

Someone like Alison, Matt, Kris, etc would be screwed though, I think.
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Apr 7 2009, 11:09 PM
I wonder if Adam being cut off by DVR's will hurt him.
Probably not. I feel like most people watch this show live.[/quote][/quote]It wouldn't hurt him because voting lines are probably closed by the time people who DVR it get around to watching anyway, LoL.
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:rockon: 1) ADAM LAMBERT (10 out of 10)------another awesome performance. Much ahead of the rest in stage presence and talent. His "Mad World" was much, much better than the highly over-rated Tears for Fears.

2) MATT GIRAUD (9 1/2)--- I thought his "Part-time Lover" was his best performance yet. I don't understand why more people don't like him and I hope DialIdol is wrong about his low vote count.

3) DANNY GOKEY (9 1/4)---- his "Stand By Me" was very good, I thought.

4) ALLISON IRAHETA (8 1/2)----- I agree with the judges critiques that she needs to show more of her personality (and imho she did make "I Can't Make You Love Me" her own).

4) ANOOP DESAI (8 1/2)------I thought his "True Colors" was pretty good, Much better than last week

Bottom 3................
6) LIL ROUNDS (7) ----- This woman has really, really disappointed me week after week. Simon's critique was dead on.

(7) KRIS ALLEN (6) I really like Kris but his "All She Wants to Do Is Dance" really sucked, karoake sounding, too damned fast. I hope to God that Kris isn't going home tonight as Dial Idol predicts. If so, I hope (and think) that the judges may save him.

and go home, go home, go home ( I so much agree King!) SCOTT MacINTYRE ( (8), (2 out of 10)
I'm sick to death of all the sympathy for the blind guy. Same ol', same '. He was some better tonight, in parts, but in parts he horribly sucked,
Edited by Kevin_Buchanan, Apr 8 2009, 04:08 PM.
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If you watch Kris' performance in the recap, I believe the Randy stand in isn't even there, and the Kara stand in doesn't look much like her. LOL.

I could be wrong though.

There is an aerial shot of the judges in Kris' recap.
Edited by King, Apr 7 2009, 11:58 PM.
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It makes sense that the recap is from rehearsal. I never thought of that before, but they really wouldn't have time to put it together and show the live performances. I guess that explains why I thought Scott sounded a bit better during the show then he did in the recap at the end.
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^Yeah and it gives them time to manipulate it the way they want to LOL. I think DWTS must do the same thing because it would be really hard to put it all together so fast, especially for the last performer of the night. I really don't understand the need for recaps though. I mean, sure they remind you of the performances but most people just watch the whole show and, even if they didn't, wouldn't want to watch the whole performance and not just one little piece?

I did notice what you pointed out, King. It's like I said last week...the show does a pretty good job of weaving in pre-taped stuff or rehearsal stuff. You never sense a disruption or notice anything unless you really analyze it and I'm sure the general fan does not.

I think this will be the first results show in a few weeks I'm looking forward to for more then just the guest musical acts. I want to see if they really use the save tomorrow if it's Kris. If they do, then I can hope for another shocking elimination in the form of Danny so that he can't be saved. BHAHAHA :laugh:
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If they do, then I can hope for another shocking elimination in the form of Danny so that he can't be saved. BHAHAHA :laugh:
I'm right there with you hoping....... :cheer:
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I think the save might be used this week if it is anyone other than Scott.
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^ I don't think they will use it on Anoop either.

I have a feeling your right though. Things have gotten too calm and I think they feel secure in at least Danny and Adam being safe until at least the top 5 now. They may feel the show needs a shakeup to get some attention so they use the save tomorrow and go for a double elimination next week. If that were to happen, I think Scott would be gone for sure next week with the bottom two going.

If the save is used tomorrow, I will do everything in my power to encourage as many as possible to help out with ousting Danny LOL. I will do my best to ensure a top 4 of Alison, Kris, Matt, and probably Adam since I no longer really like or can't do more then tolerate the others LOL.
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Here's the latest DialIdol chart.

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It looks like the west coast has saved Scott. Anoop dropped and now he's barely above Kris, who's still in last place. The geographical chart shows that Scott won California. LoL, it sounds like a Presidential Election.

This SUCKS.
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I think you have your work cut out for you with that final four, Tim. I am not sure how big Matt and Allison's fan bases are. And I don't know if Kris is long for our world either.
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NOooooo! Not Kris. I hope they use the save on him. If any contestant deserves a second chance, it's him.
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I think you have your work cut out for you with that final four, Tim. I am not sure how big Matt and Allison's fan bases are. And I don't know if Kris is long for our world either.
Well, Kris has been consistently up around the top 5 until this week so I attribute his drop to him just having a bad week and to his performing second. Whatever the case, we have seen people who have struggled getting votes make it to hre finale. Katherine McPhee was in the bottom 3 and even bottom 2 regularly but got to the final. Both Ruben and Fantasia were in the bottom 3 at one point (hell, Fantasia was in the bottom 2 and ended up in the bottom 3 at least twice) and both won it.

It really depends on how things break for them all. Performance order seems to be a big key this year. It's been big the last few years but this year it's even hurting people who do relatively well!

I know it's unlikely to get the final 4 I want but, damnit, I will try my damnedest anyway. Hell, I will be happy to get two my four there. I'm just hope Alison can maintain her surge this week unlike a few weeks ago where she surged to third and dropped right back down last week. let's hope Miley Cyrus and her fans are helping Alison out LOL.

I just love how analyzing DialIdol is like analyzing voting returns on Election Day LOL. It looks like the West Coast vote solidified Scott being safe. It doesn't matter anyway since Kris got down so far so early that it was doubtful he would make a comeback. I have no doubt he will be at the judge's mercy tomorrow and that should be interesting indeed. I hope they save him.
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