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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 6 2009, 04:55 PM (65,028 Views) | |
| PhoenixRising05 | Apr 30 2009, 02:37 AM Post #1861 |
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Didn't they drop him after his first album came out? The first album did not sell well at all from what I recall so his being dropped did not surprise me at the time. I knew there were creative differences but I thought his being dropped had more to do with lack of sales. Your right he got the least promotion but that is because the show and judges did not want him to win nor should he have. The guy was a marketing genius! He used his quirks and performance skills to his advantage, formed the "Soul Patrol" and did everything he could to rile them up each week and made sure he reminded everyone that he was the underdog that Simon hated. That is what won him it. That and Daughtry being eliminated because, let's face it, no way does he win with Chris there. I do remember his duet with Toni Braxton and not introducing him was bad but they had major issues that night anyway. They had major time constraints which led to Katherine having to wear a dress during her and Taylor's performance together so they could not dance like they wanted to and that is just one example so I tend to think it was a time thing and just a mistake. I don't think that was on purpose, unlike the lack of promotion which I think was just to show America that they know his winning was a mistake. And, also, to me, he did distance himself. I still remember him in interviews after winning where he clearly made it known that he was happy to off Idol and that he was not fond of the process. Not only that (I wish I could find the quotes) but he all but said he was above Idol. I just remember reading some comments where he said all this and also indicated that he wanted nothing more to do with the show. Maybe that was out of anger for not promoting him but alot of what I'm talking about came out in interviews right after he won. You make a point about his being a soul/blues musician before the show but I don't see how that affected anything. The show has let all it's Idols work within their genre. Ruben and Fantasia got to do their R&B. Carrie got to do her country. Jordin got to do pop and R&B. David Cook got to do what he wanted with rock/urban/etc and even said he was given alot of power over the album. I'm sure some got more then others and didn't get everything they wanted but they still got to work within the genre that suited them. I don't think Idol tries to mold their winners as much as they try to package them but, most of the time, the person who wins is commercial enough where they don't have to do much to package them. They just let the music do it for them. That is why I think it does not matter what Taylor was. He just was not the right person to win. He's more of an entertainer then anything else. He's great live but he loses alot of appeal IMO when you listen to him or don't get to actually see him. Hell, sometimes it's hard to hear him while seeing him. He seems nice and all and he has some talent but he was a mistake. He's not commercial enough. I have no desire to listen to his music. I've heard enough on season 5 of Idol and when he's come back to Idol so no thanks :laugh: . You go ahead and enjoy though. He's just not my and many others' cup of tea :laugh: , |
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| Kenny | Apr 30 2009, 02:38 AM Post #1862 |
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HitFix Daughtry, No Doubt coming to 'American Idol' As Simon Cowell announced at the conclusion of Wednesday (April 29) night's "American Idol," next week's theme is Rock. The show has lined up some appropriate guests to match. In addition to guitar legend Slash, who will serve as mentor to Adam Lambert, Danny Gokey, Allison Iraheta and Kris Allen, next Wednesday (May 6) will feature the return of the most successful "American Idol" rocker to date. Daughtry will take the stage to perform "No Surprise," the first single off their album. Chris Daughtry was the fourth place finisher on the fifth season of "American Idol." The self-titled debut by his self-titled band went quadruple-platinum and was nominated for multiple Grammys. Probably neck-and-neck with Jennifer Hudson for the title of most successful "Idol" contestant not to make the show's finals (far ahead of her in album sales, far behind her in Oscars), Daughtry's single "Home" was the elimination song for Season Six. In addition to Daughtry, the Wednesday episode will also include a performance by No Doubt, who will be reuniting for a summer tour, prepping for the 2010 release of their next album. No Doubt frontwoman Gwen Stefani made multiple "American Idol" appearances in Season Six. |
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| Kevc1980 | Apr 30 2009, 03:09 AM Post #1863 |
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Glad to see Adam in the final 2, just to deflate his ego a bit..I'm glad Matt went home though..This really might be the most talented final 4 of all the seasons... |
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| Rick | Apr 30 2009, 03:37 AM Post #1864 |
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It's hard to become commercial when you can't get airplay. Arista didn't even send his second and third singles to many radio stations across the country. I got a news letter back around the time his singles were being released and the fans were emailing AC radio stations asking why they weren't playing the new Taylor Hicks single. And many responses were "Taylor Hicks CD has not been made available to the station by the record company. Some of those AC stations were in the major markets like NYC and Chicago. I do get what you're saying though. The three least succesful Idol winners (Ruben, Fantasia, and Taylor) all released R&B/Blues/Soul albums and most people just doesn't like that kind of music. The same thing will happen with Jason Castro. He's not marketable to mainstream America, but he will have a core fanbase.
Nope, They dropped him in January 2008. (Album came out on 2006) He was in the studio working on the new album (to be released last summer) when the "creative differences" started. Per his fan club news letters he wanted to do a soul/blues album but Arista wanted a pop album. When he refused they agreed to mutually part ways so he could do his own thing and neither party would be penalized.
C'mon now, you can't honestly believe that it was because of time. If you have it recorded go back and watch. Everyone except him was introduced. Of course maybe I am a conspiracy theorist LOL Edited by Rick, Apr 30 2009, 03:49 AM.
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| cubsgirl | Apr 30 2009, 06:32 AM Post #1865 |
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I'm voting my butt off next week for Kris. I would love to somehow to see him sneak into the finals simply because he hasn't been highlighted much this season. Even the week he got in from the top 36 was a surprise. He was the top male vote getter that night. Can't wait for Daughtry next week. Also can't wait for their new album. |
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| cjknick | Apr 30 2009, 07:00 AM Post #1866 |
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I think that Adam pushed the envelope too far and voters wanted to see something less theatrical from him at this stage of the competition. Adam has to decide whether or not he wants to be a Broadway Star or a contempory music artist. This is not who wants to be the next American Broadway Star. The whole stair entrance with the lights and the suit - just seemed to over the top and I think people just thought who in the heck does he think he is ELVIS! And even though the judges/panel didn't call him on his over indulgence - the voters did!
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| PhoenixRising05 | Apr 30 2009, 07:46 AM Post #1867 |
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Well, airplay is not what makes you commercial. You just have to look the part but, more importantly, you have to sound the part because once in awhile there will be a case where looks don't matter but the artist's style is commercial enough to be successful. Regardless, you seem to grasp my point, which is that he style is just not mainsteam. Ruben and Fantastia only did better because they got more promotion, although even they did not get as much. Thanks for clarifying about when he was released. I could've sworn it was before that but I'm happy in a way because I may not like his music but I don't like to cheer for anyone to fail so I'm pleased it was mutual and he ended up happier in the end. I actually do believe it was because of time. I mean, he won that season. That finale was the night he became American Idol and pretty much everyone knew he was going to win. Regardless if they were happy with him or not, they weren't going to purposely do that to their inevitable champion on the night he is going to be crowned. I mean, they hyped the hell out of him the night before on performance night and he gave him just as much praise when he won as any other Idol winner. It was after he won that they showed their true colors and didn't promote him and tried to act like he did not exist. Hell, if you are looking for a conspiracy, look back at the shitty Idol songs both Katherine and Taylor had to sing on that performance night. Even the judges bitched about those songs. I almost got the sense that whoever wrote those was punishing Taylor, Katherine, and the fans for then fact that the right people were not in the finale LOL. I mean, I don't like Taylor but he was so much better then that song, as was Katherine. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Apr 30 2009, 08:00 AM Post #1868 |
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Not only am I voting for Kris but for Alison too. They both deserve it and my hope is that people rebel against all the pimping. That didn't happen last year but we also didn't have much choice last year. David and David were the best two left. All the competitors were eliminated too early. This year, we have 4 strong competitors so if people vote like crazy for both Kris and Alison, we can get at least one of them into the finals. Plus, I would love to see the looks on the producers and judges faces if one or both of their "destined final 2" contestants went home. Maybe that would drive home the point they acted like they grasped last night that I'm sure they didn't. American decides, not them. It's one thing to do what Simon did last year to help Cook since we all knew Archie had those tween voters who would heavily influence things and I know he did what he did to put Cook over so he could overcome that. However, the show needs to revert back to pre-season 6 where you knew who the favorites were but that wasn't because of the show or judges. You figured out for yourself who they were and the judges and show gave everyone an equal shot and were honest and unbiased. Either that or they hid the bias much better. It's like ever since Daughtry they don't trust the public anymore to get the right people there and that needs to stop. Give everyone a chance and let's see what happens. It would be nice for both Kris and Alison, who did not get the hype that Adam and Danny got (hell, Kris got no airtime at all until the performance shows) to make it to the finals or at least one of them making it would be nice. Alison IMO is the better of the two but I like them both so those will be my two horses in the race this week. I don't mind Adam but those two need my help more. I just hope Adam tones it down a bit this week. I've been thinking about it and this really is the most talented top 4 ever. In every season up until now, there has always been at least one person left that either wasn't anything special or was someone that should've gone eons ago but survived. This year, I don't see that. I may not like Danny and Adam sometimes is too much but they are both very talented. Kris and Alison are great too and, with the exception of Danny, I can see the other 3 having moderate-great success. I think Danny could do well only if he doesn't win and only if he goes with the Adult Contemporary or Christian route. Can't wait for Daughtry. Glad the album will be coming out soon and can't wait to hear the song. isn't it funny how he's going to be on the top 4 results show when he was eliminated in the top 4 of season 5? Ironic as hell! No Doubt should be great too. I've always liked them and preferred Gwen Stefani with them over on her own. Glad they've reunited for a bit. Should be a great and very dramatic results show. These are usually when they get good anyway since there are so few left and they have plenty of time to do things but with the top 4 being so talented, it should be very interesting this year. |
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| KMan101 | Apr 30 2009, 08:48 AM Post #1869 |
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I was so happy to see Adam in the bottom two. I would've preferred Danny but I'll take it. I like how America is showing the judges that their chosen ones aren't all that chosen after all. But, we all know that Simon was probably deliberately rude to Kris and Allison in order to get them more support. The bottom two was anti-climatic though only because, let's be real, we ALL knew Matt would go. Period. But it was still nice to see it. I also liked how Ryan said it WAS our bottom two. Unlike DWTS now where they're saying it's "not necessarily" the bottom two, which is a total cop-out. Next week sounds great! I always look forward to the Rock theme. Slash should be good and it'll be great to see Daughtry. I like how all of the past Idols don't act too good to appear on the show. For the longest time I was kinda annoyed at Kelly Clarkson (whom I love, and she did appear last year and this year) and Jennifer Hudson (who finally came back this year) for not wanting to appear, but they've been the most successful (next to Daughtry and Carrie Underwood) so it was clearly smart for them. No Doubt will be great as well. I really hope we get a shocker next week. I'll be voting for the first time. I'll be texting my ass off for Kris and Allison. |
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| aimees76 | Apr 30 2009, 10:49 AM Post #1870 |
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I cannot begin to describe how happy I was to see Adam in the bottom. OMG, his face was utter shock when Ryan pulled him to the other side and said "this is your bottom 3". HA!!!! LOVED IT!!! He needed that kick to his ego BAD. I, like the rest of you, was shocked that he actually had the balls to put himself in the group that he believed was the top 3. Just confirmed my belief that he really needed to be in the bottom to get the wind knocked out of his sails a bit. Then, when Ryan sent Kris back to safety, and said that Adam and Matt were the bottom 2, I could hardly contain my glee. LOL. I nearly peed. :D I knew he wasn't going to be eliminated, but I just loved that he got a bit of an ego-check. He absolutely sucked ass Tuesday night. Oh, and I really liked when Ryan was asking Danny about how he made the decisions to change and whatnot, and he talked about thinking about what the judges have said, and even watching the videos back to hear it again, and studying other performers to try to figure out what they were telling him. That showed me that he really DOES care, and DOES listen to the judges, and DOESN'T have a big ego where he thinks what he wants to do is just right. It takes a humble person to seek criticism and study up on it, then apply it so well, like Danny did this week. I really want to see Danny, Kris, and Allison as the top 3, and Danny and Kris in the finals. If Danny and Kris are the top 2, I will be just as satisfied as last year, when I would have been happy with either one winning. Unfortunately, I probably won't get my wish because next week is rock week, and clearly Adam won't be eliminated then, especially after the scare his fans got this week. :( Bummer. |
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| King | Apr 30 2009, 11:57 AM Post #1871 |
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I think it sucks Matt went home before Allison or Kris! They're both so boring. Matt has such a good voice, personality, and stage presence! |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Apr 30 2009, 05:51 PM Post #1872 |
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I was shocked because sometimes, especially around top 5 week, Ryan will be vague but he actually said those two were the bottom two, I was glad he did. I still think the show liked that though because now Adam's fans will vote like hell for him as a result. I wouldn't say everyone knew Matt would go with Adam down there. The way it all was playing last night (and there was word circulating on the net that Adam had not been as highly favored coming off Tuesday as he had been) it appeared like he COULD go. They kept hyping up the fact that he was down there and how wide open the competition was. Plus, they left so much time at the end and that usually means a shocker. I think many assumed Matt but, as the show played out, I was reading posts on this board and others and many actually began to think Adam could go. I don't think Matt thought so, which is why it was so cruel. Matt had to sit there for so long and he clearly knew it was over so it was like torture but, then again, he probably knew he was in trouble before he even performed this week so he was probably prepared. I agree with you about past Idols. For awhile, Carrie seemed like the only one thanks Idol in awards speeches and she seemed like the only winner willing to come back regularly. That has clearly changed now. Of course, they all come on to promote their album and such but still. I'm glad they come back. I do think Kelly wanted to return. She came back in seasons 2 and 3 for the finale but then stopped for awhile and that was around the time there was that controversy over her letting Idol sing her songs. I think her representation and the label were being bitches. I don't think it was her. I also think Jennifer Hudson was too busy and I don't think she was so quick to want to return to Idol after the way she left. I guess that isn't really an excuse since Daughtry and others came back after being shockingly eliminated but I guess everyone is different. I don't like to vote until this point in the year, providing there is at least one person I care about lef or I feel I need to vote for the person who should win. I will be voting big time for Kris and Alison next week and will be voting for one or both of them should one or both advance past next week. That would be my ideal finale at this point but I guess I will be ok as long as Danny isn't there, even if I liked him a bit better this week. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Apr 30 2009, 05:56 PM Post #1873 |
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I agree with you on everything but him having personality. It's not all his fault because the show never gave him much attention but Kris and Alison have not gotten much either. Even when Matt has had a chance to show personality, he hasn't. He has a bit in his performances but not all the time and certainly not much outside his performances. Kris doesn't have much personality either but he has been much more consistent and has shown more originality. I do think Matt has the better voice over Kris but I think Alison puts them both to shame. She has the voice, look, talent, and personality IMO. If the show began pimping her a bit sooner, she could be a lock for the top 3 at least at this point. Matt deserved to go home this week though. He was already assumed to be gone this week anyway but he wasn't very good Tuesday night. He tried to do too much with the song (which is a problem with him) and he really shouldn't have taken Jaime's advice. He may done better otherwise. He was just too inconsistent this season and he was a big disappointment Tuesday since this theme played to his strengths so with a good performance he MAY have been able to prove himself and survive but he didn't. |
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| Kenny | May 1 2009, 01:36 AM Post #1874 |
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TopIdol American Idol Top 4 Theme & Spoilers As I reported before, the Top 4 will be performing Rock songs next week. However, I’ve also heard the ouvre will be limited to classic rock, i.e., songs of the 1970s-80s. Slash (!!!!) will also be the mentor, as originally repoted by Idolator. This week, the contestants WILL BE doing TWO songs, however…in another twist differentiating this season’s Top 4 show from previous ones, American Idol will be taking inspiration all those international editions of Idol… (And I have been hoping for this for soooooo long for some sick ass reason, I swear. I have wanted to see this for some time on this shit show.) The Top 4 will not only be performing solo renditions of classic rock songs from the 1970s and 80s…the even number means there will be also be DUET performances. (I received this information from a very reliable source, BTW. Plus, what reason do I have to yank anyone’s chain?) As I said before, I have always wanted to see the kiddies perform duets on the show. Probably because I am sick & twisted. ------------------------------------------------------------- Everyone says that Top Idol is usually reliable, but DUETS? How the hell are we going to vote for who to send home based on duets? |
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| Angie79 | May 1 2009, 01:39 AM Post #1875 |
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Oh, I hope that is true about the duets! I kinda like them doing rock songs from 70's and 80's too; since I am not a big fan of the newer stuff. |
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| Kenny | May 1 2009, 01:40 AM Post #1876 |
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LoL, check out Lil Rounds interview with Idolatry. Lil on Idolatry "I don't think Bette Midler's voice is as strong as mine." Bahahahahaha! |
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| Rick | May 1 2009, 04:09 AM Post #1877 |
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That girl is delusional if she thinks her voice is stronger than Bette Midler. |
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| cubsgirl | May 1 2009, 06:22 AM Post #1878 |
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Glad they are limiting rock week to 70-80's. That was when you had a lot of your classic hair bands which I still love. Like the duets idea but curious as to how they pair up the singers for this. |
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| cubsgirl | May 1 2009, 06:28 AM Post #1879 |
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LOL. Grant it she wasn't going to win simply because I don't think she had the persona on stage. I can't believe the Bette comment. A good singer isn't always just the diva that can belt out a song loudest. She was never able to connect with any of her songs. Although she has a legit gripe with Simon messing with her name. |
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| Kevin_Buchanan | May 1 2009, 08:55 AM Post #1880 |
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Lil Rounds is a total bitch. I hope she doesn't amount to anything. With her attitude, she does NOT deserve a recording contract. |
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