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SOD: Corday interview about Deidre and Drake; Jan. 27th issue; Article Summary
Topic Started: Jan 14 2009, 12:02 PM (7,590 Views)
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PhoenixRising05
Jan 16 2009, 03:26 AM
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Jan 15 2009, 09:53 AM
He'd have done much better to just pick a reason (or explain how they're related- I think viewers get that things can be complicated) and at least give the impression there's some kind of direction behind-the-scenes. You made creative decisions based on a new financial reality. These are the stories you're choosing to tell, the characters you want to tell them with, and you chose to fire two of your stars. If you believe at all in the product you're making, just own the decisions. And if you think you made a bad move, stay out of the press until you can at least fake confidence- nobody really needs to hear from Ken Corday, especially with a track record of saying the exact opposite of what happens.
Your post summed up my thoughts as well.

I do see why they would do this but can't he stick to a position or have the balls to just put it out there and say this is the way it is, take it or leave it?

This is what I mean when I say he worries way too much about how he will be perceived and about what people will think. He actually worries too much about backlash and fans while, at the same time, he has no clue what the hell he is doing. That is why he is constantly backtracking and not nearly as assertive as he should be as a leader for this show. The show needs a strong leader. One who can make decisions, including tough ones like this, with conviction and make you believe that there is some rationale and plan. Corday is not that and he will never be that.

Even if it's not his decision or he was forced, his job is to sell the decision so people can at least understand it. His job is to make the best of it and give those fans something worth a damn. He's done neither and he once again comes off like a jellyfish. No spine. No guts.

You can already tell he isn't committed to the decision. If those ratings crash in the next few months, they will be back by summer. I don't care if there is bad blood or not. Joe Mascolo ripped the show to shreds and a month later he was back. I'm pretty sure he didn't want this so I believe that but the rest sounds like a little kid trying to reason with a principal, trying to drudge up sympathy while at the same time trying desperately to explain himself and the show in an attempt to beg as many J&M fans as possible to stay. He came off horrible.

Here is what he should say: "We had to make tough decisions in the wake of a financial crisis and in the wake of our recent renewal. We consulted with our creative team as well and determined the best course of action was to rest characters we felt needed to be given a break and John and Marlena were among those. It was tough but we feel it was necessary for both financial and creative reasons. We feel the show will be better off because of this decision and hope to see them back on the canvas someday."

It;'s organized, professional, and doesn't come off like rambling nonsense.

What really boggles my mind is that Drake and Dee never once talked to the mags about this. Not once. We got Dee's video chat but nothing from Drake. Now we learn they got no fanfare or cake at their request. There is obviously some bad blood and issues there and rightfully so.
What exactly do you want them to say??? They've been fired, and given a rotten ending.
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I don't care what the reasons were, I'm just glad they're gone. John should come back without Marlena.
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Pheonix, I love your arguments. You don't simply spout off nonsense. You have a point of view and you explain them thoroughly. I don't always agree with them, but I swear I see your point of view because you establish it so clearly using examples from the show or analogies that make sense. You should actually get a job as Ken publicists as you struck the correct tone in your pretend release.

That being said, noone in recent years, with the exception of maybe Lexie and Abe, have been on the show for as many consecutive years as Dee and Drake and then been treated so poorly on the way out and returned. Stefano has been off and on for years and was only on a one year contract when they decided to leave him in a coma. He did not like the way Stefano was treated or how Ken left a message on his answering machine. He said he wanted to leave in a different fashion not the wimpy way Marlena stuck him in the neck. His argument was really about the integrity of his character Stefano. He thought Stefano deserved a different ending and that is why I believe he came back. That is completely different than Dee and Drake being let go and not even being asked to sacrifice something like air time, pay etc, to remain on the show only to find out that Peter, Kristian and Ally were asked to sacrifice.

I think what determines whether people come back is their options for other work after Days. I mean I think Renee was treatted really poorly the last time she was fired but what were her options after the show? I think Drake has options on other shows and I can see him taking a pay cut for a new exciting role elsewhere. I believe Deidre when she says she has things in the works. Some people may not like Dee or even Marlena, but of all the people on Days she is the "industry" insider of them. She knows a great deal of people that will open other doors for her. This may be the end of Daytime for her, but definitely not the end of her acting or entertainment career.

These are the reasons that I really don't see these two coming back to Days like so many others have! And I agree about the bad blood! When you are angry and pissed you talk, scream, rant and rave (ie. Joe Mascolo). When you are hurt, you just don't or can't say anything until that feeling subsides.
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Jan 16 2009, 04:49 PM
I understand what your saying, Mason, but he can find a way if he wants to. The two of them could take a cut and he could make other cuts. it's possible. Very possible. When he wants something bad enough, he makes it happen, even if he screws up the finances to do it.
I don't see Deidre agreeing to the kind of salary cut that would make a return viable. It would be different if he'd approached her prior to the firing but offering the cut 6 months down the line would be like a double insult. It wouldn't surprise me if Drake returned in a limited recurring role, though.
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Jan 19 2009, 12:50 PM
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Jan 16 2009, 04:49 PM
I understand what your saying, Mason, but he can find a way if he wants to. The two of them could take a cut and he could make other cuts. it's possible. Very possible. When he wants something bad enough, he makes it happen, even if he screws up the finances to do it.
I don't see Deidre agreeing to the kind of salary cut that would make a return viable. It would be different if he'd approached her prior to the firing but offering the cut 6 months down the line would be like a double insult. It wouldn't surprise me if Drake returned in a limited recurring role, though.
If she has trouble getting another acting job in these tough times, though, she might have to swallow her pride, so to speak. It will be interesting, no matter how you slice it. Vets getting salary cuts and them getting fired, along with Don Diamonte on Y&R, is showing us things aren't what they used to be in the soap business.
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Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
LOL! I agree.
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Exactly. She can has options outside of Daytime, which cannot really be said for others. Not many soap stars have vital experiences outside of Daytime. Deidre cut back considerably to raise her two boys but her resume inlcudes other things.
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Then the whole point is moot, isn't it? Course, we also thought Martha would get a job by now.
But, from what I heard, (and I believe it was from a fan here. I might have read it somewhere else), when someone commented about Deidre's salary and how she wouldn't be hurting, this fan made the comment that Dee was paying alimony to her very rich ex-husband, and that it was pretty expensive, and that's why it was important for her to have a job. So, I just wonder what the facts really are? I guess it's none of our business, and our speculations about her ability to get another job and whether she needs it are just that.......speculations.
Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if she got a job, and I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't get a job. You know, times being what they are and such. Think about the companies we thought would never go under that are going under. The car manufacturers that are begging for government hand-outs. How can we say for any certainly what's going to happen to a fired soap opera actor?
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Jan 19 2009, 02:04 PM
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Exactly. She can has options outside of Daytime, which cannot really be said for others. Not many soap stars have vital experiences outside of Daytime. Deidre cut back considerably to raise her two boys but her resume inlcudes other things.
As does Drake's, and a lot of other actors who had prime-time gigs 20 and 30 years ago. Some of whom we don't hear much from.
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Jan 16 2009, 04:49 PM
I understand what your saying, Mason, but he can find a way if he wants to. The two of them could take a cut and he could make other cuts. it's possible. Very possible. When he wants something bad enough, he makes it happen, even if he screws up the finances to do it.
I don't see Deidre agreeing to the kind of salary cut that would make a return viable. It would be different if he'd approached her prior to the firing but offering the cut 6 months down the line would be like a double insult. It wouldn't surprise me if Drake returned in a limited recurring role, though.
Drake would probably come back for pocket change ;)
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Exactly. She can has options outside of Daytime, which cannot really be said for others. Not many soap stars have vital experiences outside of Daytime. Deidre cut back considerably to raise her two boys but her resume inlcudes other things.
As does Drake's, and a lot of other actors who had prime-time gigs 20 and 30 years ago. Some of whom we don't hear much from.
Um, what has Drake done outside of Days since being on Days? Battle of the Network Stars.
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Exactly. She can has options outside of Daytime, which cannot really be said for others. Not many soap stars have vital experiences outside of Daytime. Deidre cut back considerably to raise her two boys but her resume inlcudes other things.
As does Drake's, and a lot of other actors who had prime-time gigs 20 and 30 years ago. Some of whom we don't hear much from.
Um, what has Drake done outside of Days since being on Days? Battle of the Network Stars.
Um, he was originally on 7 Brides for 7 Brothers. Remember, I said 20-30 years ago. Besides, he was notable enough to be the basis for the character on Friends, no? ;) Prior to that, he was starting a baseball career, a totally different career. So, golly, gee............ :shrug:
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Jan 19 2009, 02:04 PM
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Exactly. She can has options outside of Daytime, which cannot really be said for others. Not many soap stars have vital experiences outside of Daytime. Deidre cut back considerably to raise her two boys but her resume inlcudes other things.
As does Drake's, and a lot of other actors who had prime-time gigs 20 and 30 years ago. Some of whom we don't hear much from.
Um, what has Drake done outside of Days since being on Days? Battle of the Network Stars.
Um, he was originally on 7 Brides for 7 Brothers. Remember, I said 20-30 years ago. Besides, he was notable enough to be the basis for the character on Friends, no? ;) Prior to that, he was starting a baseball career, a totally different career. So, golly, gee............ :shrug:
What character on Friends?
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Jan 19 2009, 04:18 PM
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Jan 19 2009, 02:04 PM
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Jan 19 2009, 01:48 PM
Deidre doesn't have to work another day in her life, if she doesn't want to. She's not gonna be hard up for a job anytime soon.
Exactly. She can has options outside of Daytime, which cannot really be said for others. Not many soap stars have vital experiences outside of Daytime. Deidre cut back considerably to raise her two boys but her resume inlcudes other things.
As does Drake's, and a lot of other actors who had prime-time gigs 20 and 30 years ago. Some of whom we don't hear much from.
Um, what has Drake done outside of Days since being on Days? Battle of the Network Stars.
Um, he was originally on 7 Brides for 7 Brothers. Remember, I said 20-30 years ago. Besides, he was notable enough to be the basis for the character on Friends, no? ;) Prior to that, he was starting a baseball career, a totally different career. So, golly, gee............ :shrug:
What character on Friends?
He wasn't a character on friends. I can't remember the character's name right now, but it's the guy who was the soap actor. It was pretty well known they based that guy on Drake/John Black. So, if nothing else, Drake was sort of an icon, even if it was poking fun at him! :D
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^ um....Joey?
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Jan 19 2009, 05:52 PM
^ um....Joey?
That's the one. I never watched that show on a regular basis. Besides, I always liked Ross better. :D
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Jan 19 2009, 06:26 PM
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Jan 19 2009, 05:52 PM
^ um....Joey?
That's the one. I never watched that show on a regular basis. Besides, I always liked Ross better. :D
yea, joey potrayed Dr. Drake Ramorea(sp)
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Ugh...Corday is such a bitch!
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Jan 19 2009, 12:50 PM
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Jan 16 2009, 04:49 PM
I understand what your saying, Mason, but he can find a way if he wants to. The two of them could take a cut and he could make other cuts. it's possible. Very possible. When he wants something bad enough, he makes it happen, even if he screws up the finances to do it.
I don't see Deidre agreeing to the kind of salary cut that would make a return viable. It would be different if he'd approached her prior to the firing but offering the cut 6 months down the line would be like a double insult. It wouldn't surprise me if Drake returned in a limited recurring role, though.
I don't know.

She always stated she would stick around until she was no longer wanted. Maybe them firing her changes her mentality and she plays hardball but I think she is past the point in her career where she will refuse to give Days a break given her years there. Despite getting screwed over big time, I think she has similar feelings to everyone else who comes back even when there is bad blood or some drama. I think she likes the people and the vacation time she gets and so on.

If there is any bad blood and I feel there is, it was created by the way this was handled but I think it can be easily rectified. Joe Mascolo was treated like shit and blasted the show to high heaven in the media and he was back a month later so anything is possible. If by some chance the ratings tank and he feels he needs Drake and/or Dee, he will find a way. Either he will spend stupidly and set the show back again or he will cut several to bring them back and create other issues. Corday has proven to be an act first, deal with the consequences later type and I don't see that changing. The guy has kneejerk reactions to things all the time. He panics too much and his short-term fixes create even more problems.
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