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Promo for Week of March 16th; A celebration of life... the destruction of a family.
Topic Started: Mar 13 2009, 06:46 PM (1,699 Views)
Mason
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^ I agree. Which is why it's absolutely absurd to have these lame 15 second promos that are over in the blink of an eye.
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PhoenixRising05
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GET EM STEPH!!

Ellie, that promo may have gave you a brief (and I stress BRIEF) rundown but it really doesn't do half the things you claim it does. Without the clip of J&M kissing on the desk, that promo leaves the viewer just as confused. Also, it tells you nothing about what the week in focus is about. It shows stuff that already happened building to that with J&M discussing what is happening but it's not exactly highly detailed for the viewer. The viewer would never guess that the affair produced Belle based on this promo. They would just assume it's about the sex and, without that brief J&M moment on the conference room table, they wouldn't even know that. They basically have to assume.

Not to mention the promo does the same thing the Nicole/Tony promo does. In the one you posted, Stefano just appears and the announcer implies he knows the secret but how would a new viewer know what exactly he knows? The same questions you have about the Tony/Nicole promo is the same questions many fans who don't watch would have about the J&M promo you posted. I really don't see much difference other then the promo you posted showed more old footage then footage about the week in focus and the issue with that is when Days does that presently in their promos people bitch that the promos don't have enough new content in them.

Also, promos back then were SEEN. Now, unless you are online all the time on boards or on the Days site, chances are you won't see the promo. Days promos hardly air in primetime anymore. Not to mention most of the people who do see the promo are avid watchers or at least know enough to know what is going on.

I also doubt the show has the money to put as much effort as they used to in the promos. Yes, they need to be longer and a bit better but they can't be highly stylized anymore. It's just not possible the way NBC is right now.

I honestly don't think it even matters because it's not like the promos have hurt the show. The promos have been like this since January and the show has gained viewers. It would be nice if they were better but I don't see it killing the show, especially with how little they are actually seen. I wouldn't want them too detailed anyway. Less is more. Just a little bit of setup and focus on the action of the week without giving up the pivotal moments and that is just fine. That J&M promo you posted, to me, is nothing but rehash and is even worse then the Tony/Nicole promo, which at least focuses on this week and gives you an idea of something big going on with Nicole's story.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Mar 14 2009, 11:11 PM.
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Ellie


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Mar 14 2009, 11:08 PM
Ellie,
How did I know you'd respond? :smile:

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Without the clip of J&M kissing on the desk, that promo leaves the viewer just as confused.
I completely disagree - the V/O says that they betrayed her husband, and they show Roman's face. I think it explains everything. People watching know what kissing can lead to... I don't think they needed to show the desk, and either way, they probably couldn't if the promo aired in a different timeslot.

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Also, it tells you nothing about what the week in focus is about. It shows stuff that already happened building to that with J&M discussing what is happening but it's not exactly highly detailed for the viewer.
Right, that is exactly my point. It should 'tease' the week in focus, but not give it away.

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The viewer would never guess that the affair produced Belle based on this promo.
That didn't come into play until a few weeks later. The reveal was done in two parts: First, Roman found out about J&M's affair, then a few weeks later, he (and J&M) found out about Belle.

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Stefano just appears and the announcer implies he knows the secret but how would a new viewer know what exactly he knows?
Because the V/O tells the viewer that he found out, so the viewer knows that Stefano knows about J&M.

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The same questions you have about the Tony/Nicole promo is the same questions many fans who don't watch would have about the J&M promo you posted.
I don't think so - I think I explained the differences in my previous post (but maybe I don't understand what you're saying.) The Tony/Nicole promo fills viewers in on the current week's events. The Stefano/Marlena promo makes viewers want to watch the current week.

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when Days does that presently in their promos people bitch that the promos don't have enough new content in them.
I do see what you're saying about this, though I think in a well-constructed promo, the issue goes away some. This 30 second promo is 15 seconds of older footage, 15 seconds of new. The ones nowadays which contain older footage seems to have about 25 seconds old/5 seconds new.

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I also doubt the show has the money to put as much effort as they used to in the promos. Yes, they need to be longer and a bit better but they can't be highly stylized anymore. It's just not possible the way NBC is right now.
Probably true, but imo they can do better with the resources (financial or otherwise) that they have.

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That J&M promo you posted, to me, is nothing but rehash and is even worse then the Tony/Nicole promo, which at least focuses on this week and gives you an idea of something big going on with Nicole's story.
Well, as I explained, I completely disagree. Nothing new for us, right? :smile:
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GET EM STEPH!!

Ellie
Mar 14 2009, 11:21 PM
PhoenixRising05
Mar 14 2009, 11:08 PM
Ellie,
How did I know you'd respond? :smile:

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Without the clip of J&M kissing on the desk, that promo leaves the viewer just as confused.
I completely disagree - the V/O says that they betrayed her husband, and they show Roman's face. I think it explains everything. People watching know what kissing can lead to... I don't think they needed to show the desk, and either way, they probably couldn't if the promo aired in a different timeslot.

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Also, it tells you nothing about what the week in focus is about. It shows stuff that already happened building to that with J&M discussing what is happening but it's not exactly highly detailed for the viewer.
Right, that is exactly my point. It should 'tease' the week in focus, but not give it away.

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The viewer would never guess that the affair produced Belle based on this promo.
That didn't come into play until a few weeks later. The reveal was done in two parts: First, Roman found out about J&M's affair, then a few weeks later, he (and J&M) found out about Belle.

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Stefano just appears and the announcer implies he knows the secret but how would a new viewer know what exactly he knows?
Because the V/O tells the viewer that he found out, so the viewer knows that Stefano knows about J&M.

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The same questions you have about the Tony/Nicole promo is the same questions many fans who don't watch would have about the J&M promo you posted.
I don't think so - I think I explained the differences in my previous post (but maybe I don't understand what you're saying.) The Tony/Nicole promo fills viewers in on the current week's events. The Stefano/Marlena promo makes viewers want to watch the current week.

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when Days does that presently in their promos people bitch that the promos don't have enough new content in them.
I do see what you're saying about this, though I think in a well-constructed promo, the issue goes away some. This 30 second promo is 15 seconds of older footage, 15 seconds of new. The ones nowadays which contain older footage seems to have about 25 seconds old/5 seconds new.

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I also doubt the show has the money to put as much effort as they used to in the promos. Yes, they need to be longer and a bit better but they can't be highly stylized anymore. It's just not possible the way NBC is right now.
Probably true, but imo they can do better with the resources (financial or otherwise) that they have.

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That J&M promo you posted, to me, is nothing but rehash and is even worse then the Tony/Nicole promo, which at least focuses on this week and gives you an idea of something big going on with Nicole's story.
Well, as I explained, I completely disagree. Nothing new for us, right? :smile:
See, for me, giving away Stefano knowing is a major mistake. I would just hint at someone knowing and simply show Marlena's worried face. That is an issue for me with that promo and the current one with Tony and Nicole. I wish they had just kept it hidden who found out but I think they wanted to go for the chilling factor in both cases because both Stefano and tony provide a chilling presence in their appearances.

I don't think this promo gives away too much. I think the only thing missing is a setup. They just need something to ease you into the promo. That is really all that is missing.

Honestly, it's all subjective. Some people in this promo say it makes them want to watch but those people tend to be liking the show right now. Some feel the promo is a complete bust and those tend to be the people not watching or liking the show so that is probably critical to all this.

I guess we will have to disagree as usual, although I've been around much lately so it feels good to do that again :laugh:. I wasn't going to jump in on this but I couldn't help myself LOL.
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Ellie


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Mar 14 2009, 11:38 PM
See, for me, giving away Stefano knowing is a major mistake. I would just hint at someone knowing and simply show Marlena's worried face. That is an issue for me with that promo and the current one with Tony and Nicole. I wish they had just kept it hidden who found out but I think they wanted to go for the chilling factor in both cases because both Stefano and tony provide a chilling presence in their appearances.
I think in each promo, there is a decision made on "what to give away" and "what to hide". The thing is that with the Stefano/Marlena promo, I think (I'm not positive) the viewers already knew at that point that Stefano had found out or that he was in the process, which is why they gave that part away in the promo.

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I guess we will have to disagree as usual, although I've been around much lately so it feels good to do that again :laugh:. I wasn't going to jump in on this but I couldn't help myself LOL.
Haha, same here about jumping in. Yep, we'll just have to disagree. And nice to have you back posting!!

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Mar 14 2009, 10:55 PM
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Mar 13 2009, 09:04 PM
First, why are the promos so short these days, and why are they giving EVERYTHING away?! The whole purpose of a promotional advertisement is to entice people to watch. Get them intrigued so that they'll tune in for the big moment. Instead, NBC just gives it all away in the span of twenty seconds. Rather than showing the actual Tony/Nicole confrontation, they should've ended it with a shot of Tony talking to himself about knowing the truth and promising to confront her with the truth. That's what you call a teaser. That's what makes people want to tune in.

Who's going to waste five hours a week watching the show when they can get a summary of the big events in less than half a minute? There's no point in buying the cow when NBC is tossing the milk our way for free.
Sorry I missed most of this discussion, but I just want to say that I couldn't agree more on this.

Below, I've embedded an example of a well-done promo. Why do I think it's done well?

1) It begins with a summary of events leading up to the 'big moment', including clips from even a year before. This is essential for a soap promo, since otherwise lapsed viewers are reluctant to jump back in, because they think they may have missed too much. Also, the rest of the promo won't make sense to non-viewers without this part. In the below example, we learn, in about 15 seconds, that J&M had an affair wherein Marlena cheated on Roman and that J&M, and Marlena specifically, are terrified that the truth will come out.

2) It sets up the newest conflict. In the below example, we learn that Stefano (though they don't say his name) found out about J&M's affair.

3) We see Marlena seeing Stefano as we hear "This week, her world is going to crumble." We do not see Stefano talking to Marlena (actually, he never did), and we are left with so many questions, which lead us to want to watch. What happens after Stefano sees Marlena? Does he confront her? Does everyone else learn her secret? If so, how?

This differs so significantly from this week's Days promo, which though it is shorter, has the following issues:

1) No summary of the storyline leading up to this week. People who haven't been watching have no idea whether Tony is correct.

2) No conflict set up. Is Nicole nervous someone will find out? Why? Will it impact her marriage to EJ? Does that have anything to do with Sami? None of these questions are addressed or even hinted at.

3) The Tony/Nicole clip gives us more answers than questions. Ok, so Tony knows her secret (again, unless people are watching, they don't know if he's right). He tells her. The end. No really, this promo seems to sum up the week's storyline pretty well. If people's questions are "then what happens", then watching this week won't answer that! People's questions need to be on the current week's story, and I think this promo completely misses the mark there.

And here is how you do a promo...




Thanks ,Ellie! Those scenes were AMAZING!! Wayne/Deidre/Drake rock those scenes! I still have it on tape!

Thanks for posting this!
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Mar 15 2009, 09:02 AM
Thanks ,Ellie! Those scenes were AMAZING!! Wayne/Deidre/Drake rock those scenes! I still have it on tape!

Thanks for posting this!
I watched those scenes on YouTube a few months back when the news of JER's passing broke, and I was just amazed at how brilliant the writing and the acting was. I don't believe I've ever seen anything quite so raw and human on Days as I did with that storyline -- except for maybe John's death in 2007. That affair aftermath is the kind of stuff that soaps are MADE for!

Awesome, awesome stuff.
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Mar 15 2009, 09:08 AM
peaches179
Mar 15 2009, 09:02 AM
Thanks ,Ellie! Those scenes were AMAZING!! Wayne/Deidre/Drake rock those scenes! I still have it on tape!

Thanks for posting this!
I watched those scenes on YouTube a few months back when the news of JER's passing broke, and I was just amazed at how brilliant the writing and the acting was. I don't believe I've ever seen anything quite so raw and human on Days as I did with that storyline -- except for maybe John's death in 2007. That affair aftermath is the kind of stuff that soaps are MADE for!

Awesome, awesome stuff.

ICAM.
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Whoa..I am loving the 1994 promo!!!I do not remember that!!!Then again,I had a two year old,,and worked so I was nuts..thanks for posting it
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