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'Safe' spoiler from TVGuide for week of May 18th
Topic Started: Apr 29 2009, 10:58 AM (15,521 Views)
mirabella


mesagirl
May 7 2009, 10:20 AM
ilovemydays
May 6 2009, 10:09 PM
daisy132
May 6 2009, 09:18 PM
Taelyn
May 6 2009, 04:15 PM

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I can tell you how that rape banner was baiting. It was started by Safe fans (now they might have been former Lumi fans, most are). The banner was started when Sami got back to Salem and it was again clear that Ejami still had feelings for each other. Ejami fans were posting positive, well expressed posts. So they made this banner to push the "rape" again. And in their thread, they admitted that the banner was to get to the Ejamis - it was the sole purpose. And then one poster went on the Lumi thread and tried to recruit Lumis in voting for Safe in a thread opened for a "fair count" of Ejami and Safe fans. Good thing there are still many true Lumi fans. So the "rape" banner was created under the pretense of indignation against the act "in real life" but in fact it was an attempt against Ejami. Not one thought was considered that there actually are real-life rape victims that are Ejami fans.

That said, it is really sad that adults stoop this low. To an extent, some in all fanbases are guilty of this, but the word "prejudice" comes to mind when it comes to Ejamis.
So you can read the minds of other posters?

Get this, I'm neither a Safe or a Lumi and I fully support anyone's decision to sport a "Rape is not Romance" in protest of any possible ridiculous, tasteless pairing of EJami. IMO, THE RAPE DEFINES EJAMI. According to TPTB, the actors and the characters the rape happened and no one should have to pretend it didn't just because it makes some people uncomfortable.




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BTW... the RINR and rape banners have been around well before Rafe entered the picture. Some of the viewers are not going to back a romantic pairing that involved the man raping the woman. The banners make a POINT, it isn't baiting. I understand how they might be upsetting to some EJami fans since it reminds them of something they'd rather just forget or just plain deny altogether.

I could say that the pro EJami banners are baiting to then couldn't I, since I hate the pairing and all. :wink:

EJami's are just as good at baiting as any other fanbase out there.
I am lost here about this banner business because I wasn't around to even know what those RINR banners are and also lost about why anyone would say that Safe fans made and posted them when you said those banners were around before Rafe came on the show. I read where another poster said the banners were not even on this board. I don't understand why anyone is arguing about this. Oh well. Thank you for clarifying some of this for me.
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Ponz
May 7 2009, 09:50 PM
michelle
May 7 2009, 08:24 PM
They make banners promoting their couple, not bashing another couple that they do not like for whatever reason.


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ETA: For the record, I have no issue with posters displaying banners such as these. A banner is a just graphical representation of an argument and mature adults respond to arguments with reason/evidence, not accusations of "baiting" (the message board equivalent of a toddler holding its breath during a temper tantrum).
Ok, the 7th one, the one where Lucas is marking his territory............HILARIOUS!! I'm LOL at my computer at work!! That's priceless!! I'm an Ejami and I've never seen that one before. And just for the record...........I don't sport ANY banners......

Thanks for sharing these, they made my morning!! :tounge:
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May 7 2009, 09:50 PM
michelle
May 7 2009, 08:24 PM
They make banners promoting their couple, not bashing another couple that they do not like for whatever reason.


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ETA: For the record, I have no issue with posters displaying banners such as these. A banner is a just graphical representation of an argument and mature adults respond to arguments with reason/evidence, not accusations of "baiting" (the message board equivalent of a toddler holding its breath during a temper tantrum).
Ponz, game, set, match.
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It seems to me that going on and on about RINR banners, talking about the intentions behind them, and insuinating all kinds of insulting conclusions, is baiting those who were part of that campaign. I, for one, was part of that campaign because I did not want to see one of my favorite characters romantically paired with the man who raped her. (I also stopped watching OLTL after Todd raped Marty, and concluded that I would NEVER go back when I heard that they recently paired them) As simple as that. If it were for any other reason, wouldn't I feesably be part of some campaign to keep Safe apart? Oh yeah, there is no anti-Safe campaign, because while somewhat boring (to me), I do not find them insulting and offensive.

Anyway ... I'm only going to make one observation and leave it at that. This thread about Safe, has been hijacked by Ejamis, just like every thread about Lumi always was. You'll notice though, that Lumi's do not make every thread about our couple. Just for the record. If this thread is "mostly about Ejami", its because every Ejami on this board came in and made it about them, as usual. Go ahead and blast me now, it won't change the truth. I am not a fan of Safe by any stretch of the imagination, but I can have enough respect for their fans to not challenge them in their own spoiler thread where they would like to enjoy their news.

Oh, and Ponz ... I grow to love you more each day :wub:
Edited by aimees76, May 8 2009, 10:10 AM.
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I was never around for the whole Lumi/Ejami debate..thanks for posting these banners...up the thread,,,they are a freakin HOOT!!!
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Nicole Walker


Hey Ponz, I'm still laughing. That post is as funny as it was yesterday. Smacked with the truth baby!! :lol:
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Manda1


Nicole Dimera
May 7 2009, 10:56 PM
:cheers:

What did yall think of Safe first date?
I loved it...but better than that Sami and Rafe loved it! We learned a little more about Rafe and it was nice that he took the time to set up a nice romantic picnic. Sami was so cute in her new dress waiting for him to arrive. She was like a nervous teenager again - adorable! :wub:

Ponz your collection of banners are hilarious talk about pot meet kettle. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I have never seen any of these banners here, on this semi-neutral soap site and I think they are as tacky as the RINR campaign banners.

As for what Ejami's, Lumi's and Ejoles's post on their own couple sites, well who cares as we were speaking about this site.

I don't think this proves any point.

Game. Set. NADA.

As for how often rape happens, blah blah blah - this is not real! These are not real people! This is a tv show. Do people really think this means if you support Ejami they are pro-rape? Are the fans of the Sopranos pro-mafia? I just don't get it. This is not a reality show.
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mirabella


Nicole Dimera
May 7 2009, 10:56 PM
:cheers:

What did yall think of Safe first date?
Glad you asked. I thought it was perfect for them. It was reminiscent of the way they used to write love stories. The date was sweet, romantic, playful, funny but also hot. Even with all the so called disasters and interruptions, they were so happy to just be together. They both look so happy now.

I loved learning more about Rafe and look forward to learning more in the upcoming weeks.
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I've never seen any of those banners, but the one with the Ejole wedding was pretty darn funny and well made.
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michelle
May 8 2009, 12:04 PM
I have never seen any of these banners here, on this semi-neutral soap site and I think they are as tacky as the RINR campaign.

As for what Ejami's, Lumi's and Ejoles's post on their own sites, well who cares.

Nothing in your OP restricted the discussion to DR or "semi neutral" soap boards. You made a blanket statement about the focus of each fanbase's banners.

And even if you had added a DR qualifier, the claim would still have been false:

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mmm-hmmmm.
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michelle
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As this is the only site I post on, common sense might prevail that this is the site I am referring to. Whether I qualified it or not.

I have trolled on other sites and I know how crazy the discussions and the banners can get, but I expect it there. Which is why I come to this site to post as it is way more neutral, most of the time.

As for your avatar/video, I don't see it as couple bashing - it is individual character bashing, making both Sami and EJ look dumb.
Edited by michelle, May 8 2009, 01:25 PM.
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aimees76
May 8 2009, 01:13 PM
mmm-hmmmm.
Oh aimees, will we ever agree? I guess not.
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michelle
May 8 2009, 01:18 PM
As this is the only site I post on, common sense might prevail that this is the site I am referring to.


Apologies. My mind reading/psychic abilities are a little on the rusty side.

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As for your avatar/video, I don't see it as couple bashing - it is individual character bashing, making both Sami and EJ look dumb.


So the use of screencaps from a rape scene is considered "baiting" but implying that Lumi had an adolescent relationship or having EJ refer to Nicole by her porn name is in no way negative towards those couples. Thanks for clarifying.
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Ponz
May 7 2009, 09:50 PM
michelle
May 7 2009, 08:24 PM
They make banners promoting their couple, not bashing another couple that they do not like for whatever reason.


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OMG. . :applause:
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Next time I'll be more specific.

Implying that Lumi had an adolescent relationship or Nic's porn name is not the banner's focus, imo, it represents the dumbing down of these two characters and a made up conversating conveying such. I could be wrong, but that's how I take it.

I guess everyone can display whatever they like, but I come here because it is so neutral. We can debate different pairings in a good way. I admit I get riled up and sometimes feel attacked so I try not to do it in return. Doesn't mean we can't get a little down and dirty sometimes.

Whether we are Ejoles, Safes, Lumis or Ejamis we are all passionate about something. Sometimes I don't know why, but I keep watching.
Edited by michelle, May 8 2009, 01:52 PM.
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daisy132


ilovemydays
May 7 2009, 10:20 PM
michelle
May 7 2009, 09:18 PM
I think the banners for RINR are tacky. I don't believe for one second the banners are made to help victims express their opinions of a storyline or character pairing. I believe they are made by those who want their couple together, Lucas and Sami, and not another, EJ and Sami, and this is the way they have chosen to express it. How is my thinking this rude? After all, this is a tv show and there are of plenty of real life victims they could be making banners to support instead of this silly fictional one.

As for Nicole, she may have given Sydney to her father, but she has lied and deceived the man she supposedly loves and married while doing so. If she was doing the right thing, why has she not told EJ the truth? Surely he would be happy with her for reuniting him with his daughter right? Why the continued lies?

I don't agree with Sami's actions at all, but I do see where she is coming from in wanting to keep her daughter away from Stephano.

Sami is not a loser, she just continues to make bad decisions.



Really? You don't believe it? When their banners clearly state "Rape is not Romance" and you interpret it to mean that they just want another couple and it has nothing to do with rape at all? You don't see how your statements can be seen as insulting and rude?

Try to bear in mind somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes and 1 in every 6 women will be raped or sexually assaulted in their lifetime. Some of them just might have an aversion to seeing a love story play out between a rape victim and her attacker.

I might not get what Rafe sees in Sami but I have no issues with her falling in love with him, he's an attractive nice man that had never abused her or any of her family. Sami should just be grateful she has a man like Rafe to lean on.



This is a fictional show. We enjoy Ejami and we're not going anywhere. Other fanbases know it and can't stand it. IT'S THE TIMING of when these banners come out. It's WHEN IT'S CLEAR THAT EJAMI ARE NOT FINISHED. Whenever there is interraction that makes that evident, RIGHT ON CUE, the banners, the hate posts, everything nasty and rude comes out. If you feel so strongly about rape, do something productive about it in the real world. And have the same cuourtesy towards others as you want them to have towards you - let them enjoy their couple as you wish to enjoy yours.
Edited by daisy132, May 8 2009, 03:22 PM.
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Manda1


SaveDaysNow
May 8 2009, 01:46 PM
Ponz
May 7 2009, 09:50 PM
michelle
May 7 2009, 08:24 PM
They make banners promoting their couple, not bashing another couple that they do not like for whatever reason.


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OMG. . :applause:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: every time I see these I have a fresh wave of laughter! As far as I am concerned Ponz jus silenced the debate with this stunning display...next.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Except these banners are not from this site and that is what I was referencing - banners I have seen posted on this neutral site!

Of course on the EJAMI site you are going to find all kinds of negative banners and posts about the other characters that stand in Ejami's way. On the LUMI site, EJ will only be referenced as the Rapist.

But on this site, the Daytime Royalty site, not the Ejami, Safe, Ejole or Lumi site, I thought there was some neutrality, but I guess not anymore, cause Ponz brought banners from another site to everyone's attention wanting to prove me wrong.

Next time I will be way more specific so there won't be any misunderstandings.

This debate is not yet silenced, but it's probably close.
Edited by michelle, May 8 2009, 03:37 PM.
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