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| Wally Kurth to return as Justin Kiriakis | |
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| Deleted User | Jun 16 2009, 07:08 PM Post #81 |
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| Dr. Chip | Jun 16 2009, 07:42 PM Post #82 |
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I like Wally and Judi, but Justin and Adrienne got really boring after a while (even with their own triangles -- Adrienne/Justin/Anjelica, Justin/Adrienne/Emilio). I'm still happy to hear Wally's back, and I bet Judi won't be far behind. Judi's Adrienne was one character that was never afraid to stand up to Victor, and he hated her even more than he hated Hope. Don't want to see Carly with Justin. Seems like they really weren't really in each other's orbit all that much after she went to work in Salem and got involved with Lawrence and Bo. I'm not interested in Carly and Justin together. I think they're able to bring back a few actors because of the savings from firing Dee & Drake, and any actor returning now understands the dire straits soaps have fallen into. They know they won't be able to command their big salaries from the past, and I think they're grateful to have a job. Justin and Adrienne may be a cheaper answer to Steve & Kayla. Adrienne can fill the void left by Steph's parents, and she can explain that they left town to be alone together for a while. Just think, Justin's cousin is dating Adrienne's niece; new Kiriakis boys would also add to the younger scene and could come cheap. Would also like to see Lisa Trusel back as Melissa, but she may not be interested in acting anymore. Remember that Justin was interested in her once before, but they ended up just being friends. |
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| Kenny | Jun 16 2009, 07:43 PM Post #83 |
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Days confuses me. Why did Corday get rid of the fan-favorite vets only to bring back other vets that newer viewers aren't even familiar with? Don't get me wrong, I'm happy either way -- it just seems weird and kind of random. |
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| px780 | Jun 16 2009, 07:53 PM Post #84 |
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It is weird and random. But I guess it's that semi-familiar/flexible thing. It doesn't really interest me the same way that news of Carly's return did. Don't know anything about the character, really. Edited by px780, Jun 16 2009, 07:54 PM.
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| Ellie | Jun 16 2009, 07:55 PM Post #85 |
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I really don't think that's it. Remember when Deidre and Drake were fired, the show's budget was also being cut by 40%. After all was said and done, it didn't sound like the show had any extra money to play with at all. |
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| granolagirl | Jun 16 2009, 08:05 PM Post #86 |
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That's how I feel about the Hortons. Inventing new ones seems kinda pointless at this point. |
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| Keith | Jun 16 2009, 08:05 PM Post #87 |
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I like this. Its obvious DAYS is trying to reshape its canvas. I wasn't happy with it for a while, but I've been enjoying the show of late. Whoever talked about phasing out the Bradys, I could definitely see that happen. We have all of Bo/Hope (partially), Stephanie (half), Caroline (marriage), Roman (but does he even count?), Sami (half), and her kids. If the show ever focused away from Sami, I could see them doing it. I think what Tomlin likes is these characters have history, roots, and at the same time, like Carly, come as a mostly blank canvas, save for marriage and kids. It opens more character connections. And I would not be surprised to see either JE or their kids to follow. They say Nick Stabile is supposed to be a Horton, but I'm definitely smelling a Kiriakis now. That, or he'll be Nicholas Alamain. But his intwerest in Hope seems to hint at Kiriakis. |
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| daysfan | Jun 16 2009, 09:11 PM Post #88 |
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Oh, I don't think that at all...I'm sure they got rid of Drake and Deidre for budget reasons. I am unsure about Nichols/Evans, I think Tomlin just wanted them gone and it helped the budget in the process so.... But Wally Kurth and even Chappell cannot cost that much. If you want to get technical, neither are even Days vets, and Chappell was probably earning next to nothing on GL so I doubt she came back to Days for much...and Kurth wouldn't cost anything. |
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| Mason | Jun 16 2009, 09:14 PM Post #89 |
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I stopped buying the company line about the budget a long time ago when the show brought Shirley Jones on (even if it was just for a week). Frankly, I think it's just a crutch the show leans on whenever it needs an excuse for not living up to its full potential. |
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| Ellie | Jun 16 2009, 09:21 PM Post #90 |
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Not sure I agree that they're making next to nothing, but either way, they are not the only two the show has hired since the 'vet cuts' earlier in the year. Far from it. So, even if each individual person does not earn as much as the cut vets did, at some point, the cumulative newbie salaries have to make a dent, given that the budget was also cut 40%. In other words, if the show was starting with zero extra money, as we were lead to believe, then they would not be able to afford all these new people, even at low-ish salaries within the industry. |
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| Tripp | Jun 16 2009, 09:24 PM Post #91 |
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It would have made more sense to bring him in on Adrienne's arm rather then just randomly showing up at the Kimansion after being gone for 20 years. Remember Adrienne was brought in with Steve in the asylum (which was an awful story I admit) but when she decided to settle in Salem and buy the bar, it would have been NATURAL for Justin to show up at some point. And since he's had no interaction with Victor in forever, I have a hard time buying him just showing up to support the Kiriakis (though that's probably what they will do). And my main point is I hate how we've actually had both Judi Evans and now WK in the last couple of years, but not together. So either Justin will remain married to invisible Adrienne (doubtful) or they will have broken off screen which is a shame as I would have liked to have seen Judi Evans brought back to act that. It would have been like having MBE come back 2 years ago with no SN, and then she leaves the show only to suddenly bring in Stephen. And I really have no idea what to think of a Bo/Hope/Carly/Justin quad. I agree with whoever said a triangle of Adrienne/Justin/Carly would have made more sense or maybe a Dan/Adrienne/Justin/Carly if they insist on keeping the overly tan doctor. Having Carly with Bo/Hope worries me because it will no doubt downgrade what Bo/Carly meant to each other (since Bo/Hope are seen as the "supercouple") and Carly will be wasted as the interloper like Billie was. If they bring back Judi Evans as Adrienne I will be pleasantly surprised but I doubt that's gonna happen. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 16 2009, 09:26 PM Post #92 |
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There are reasons why it doesn't surprise me but won't get into that :laugh: . As for the budget, what daysfan said pretty much sums it up. Drake and Dee were in a different league pay-wise and it does not help matters that the show was limited in what they could do with them. CC was already taking on a reduced salary at GL and Kurth was basically recurring by the time he left GH. I think they both understand the situation and I don't see Days bringing anyone back that would not accept a reduced salary. That is why I can see them bringing on Sabatino or Judi Evans because I can see them being willing to take on that kind of salary, much like Kurth and Chappell. After thinking about it, I can see Judi Evans returning now. Corday loves her so I can see them pushing for it. I know he isn't in control right now but he would intervene for a friend. Plus, it may help fulfill the void left by Steve and Kayla. Sure, it reminds fans of them but Adrienne can kind of be Stephanie's guardian in a way. Steph did live with her for a little bit so Adrienne being more involved in her life makes sense, especially with Stephanie dating Philip while Adrienne is married to a Kiriakis. I don't see them phasing out the Brady's though. As long as AS is with this show, the Brady's are going nowhere. I just think they will be kept to the size they are now because Tomlin clearly likes the Dimera, Kiriakis, and Horton families a bit more. Also, as I said before, the reason you see characters like Justin and Carly returning is because there is so little history to bring into it and they can essentially be molded into the canvas because there are many who don't even know who they are. Plus, you can do anything pretty much with them as neither is a Brady or Horton. Carly was also part of one of the most popular Days stories ever so that helps too. As Keith said, they are reshaping the canvas with new characters and old characters why they are reinventing to shape their vision. I know some hate that but at least the show finally has a vision and a plan. I haven't seen this much planning and thought put into the show since Langan/JER teamed up and reshaped the show in 1992-1993. The show needed this big time. I can see them bringing on one or two of Justin and Adrienne's kids. I also think we will see Nicholas but this show needs more women badly. I also like the idea of reversing the Roman/Kate crap and making Cassie a Dimera again and bringing her on. We could use some more Dimera's particularly young ones, and I don't think Tomlin is against that since he likes his powerful and rich families. |
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| lysie | Jun 16 2009, 09:44 PM Post #93 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Bradys disappeared. They were certainly absent from Sami's big story last week. The thing I don't get is that their bringing in these old characters from a time in Days' history when the show wasn't even doing that well. The late 80s and early 90s wasn't a great time for Days. Of all time periods to pull from. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 16 2009, 09:44 PM Post #94 |
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Here is who has come and who has gone so far this year: Comings Taylor Spreitler (Mia)-contract Dylan Michael Patton (Will Horton) - contract Wes Ramsey (Owen) - gone already Felisha Terrell (Arianna Hernandez) - contract Mark Hapka (Nathan Horton) - contract Casey Jon Deidrick (Chad Peterson) - contract I would bet Rachel Kimsey is short-term and Nick Stabile we have no clue on yet so I won't classify them. Now you have Wally Kurth and Crystal Chappell to add to the list too. Now the departures: Blake Berris (Nick Fallon) Deidre Hall (Marlena Evans Black)- HUGE contract Drake Hogestyn (John Black) - HUGE contract Mary Beth Evans (Kayla Brady Johnson) Stephen Nichols (Steve Johnson) Thaao Penghlis (Tony DiMera) Rachel Melvin (Chelsea Brady) Darin Brooks (Max Brady) So, you lost two vets with a HUGE salary. Thaoo likely had a pretty hefty salary. Stephen and Mary Beth took cuts when they returned but they still had decent salaries. You also lost Melvin and Brooks. John Callahan is also gone as Dr. Baker. Sure, he will likely be back at some point but he only signed for a year so I doubt he will still be around once the Nicole stuff is over. Not to mention several actors and actresses took big pay cuts including heavy hitters Alison Sweeney, Kristian Alfonso, and Peter Reckell. The show has also been smart with their money by taping on less days, taking more time off, using sets more efficiently, etc. They made cuts to the crew and, last but not least, it seems they no longer have to pay money to JER (as it seems the contract was due to end around now) and that was hindering them big time. The show has also performed better ratings-wise and it's probably pulling in more revenue then it was. So, it''s not so cut and dry, especially when you take into account who was axed and who has come aboard and who will be coming aboard. It's almost like trading old people for new and returning ones with the exception of Drake and Dee since their salaries were large. I bet Days still has money left over to spend if they want to and no doubt they will get rid of a few people (probably from the Lucas/Chloe/Daniel story) to make it a bit easier to deal with. Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jun 16 2009, 09:45 PM.
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| Ellie | Jun 16 2009, 09:48 PM Post #95 |
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^^ But Tim, you are not factoring the show's budget cut into that at all. If the budget had not been cut, then I could certainly see how cutting longterm vets such as Drake and Deidre would have freed up money for some of these new people. But a 40% budget cut is also huge! |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 16 2009, 09:53 PM Post #96 |
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We've had this discussion before and, as I said, they've accounted for that already IMO. The cuts to the crew, more efficient use of sets, taping 4 days a week and taking two week breaks every now and then, pay cuts by several actors and actresses, the cuts of Drake and Dee...that alone probably covered most. Even if it didn't, the cuts of Thaoo, Stephen, and Mary Beth likely covered the rest and left money to play with. The ratings and demos being up has helped too and all the money the show is saving now on a daily basis has helped them. Plus, as I said, if the JER factor is now out of the way, that alone saves them tons of money and I'm sure the show will cut a few people just to cover themselves. |
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| Liz<3Days | Jun 16 2009, 09:56 PM Post #97 |
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If they have all this spare money...PLEASE..PLEASE..make more sets! Salem has to be bigger then the Brady Pub, Java Cafe and the hospital. I personally doubt they they have the money. Liz |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jun 16 2009, 09:57 PM Post #98 |
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Here is the way I think about it: 40% cut= Drake and Dee, pay cuts of production staff and crew, axing of crew members, pay cuts by cast members, adjustments made to save money on sets and studio usage, maybe cuts of SN and MBE. New additions/returns: Cuts of SN/MBE/TP, loss of Melvin and Brooks, money saved from JER no longer on the books, revenue garnered from saved money and from ratings/etc. That is the way I see it. Perhaps I'm wrong but I do know the show is in a much better financial situation then it was and in a much better creative situation then it was so I can totally understand how they are pulling this off and how they can even add a few more people to the mix. |
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| lysie | Jun 16 2009, 09:57 PM Post #99 |
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ICAM. More sets, and better sets. The current ones are horrid. |
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| Ellie | Jun 16 2009, 09:59 PM Post #100 |
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LOL I should have remembered that. We have. As always, we'll just have to agree to disagree completely! :smile: |
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