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Wally Kurth to return as Justin Kiriakis
Topic Started: Jun 16 2009, 12:48 PM (9,327 Views)
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Ellie
Jun 16 2009, 09:21 PM
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Jun 16 2009, 09:11 PM
But Wally Kurth and even Chappell cannot cost that much. If you want to get technical, neither are even Days vets, and Chappell was probably earning next to nothing on GL so I doubt she came back to Days for much...and Kurth wouldn't cost anything.
Not sure I agree that they're making next to nothing, but either way, they are not the only two the show has hired since the 'vet cuts' earlier in the year. Far from it. So, even if each individual person does not earn as much as the cut vets did, at some point, the cumulative newbie salaries have to make a dent, given that the budget was also cut 40%. In other words, if the show was starting with zero extra money, as we were lead to believe, then they would not be able to afford all these new people, even at low-ish salaries within the industry.


Well I don't believe that the show had next to no money after firing Drake/Deidre/Thaao/Stephen/Mary Beth/Blake and whoever else exited with them. I mean, Deidre HALL and her co-star were fired...there'd HAVE to be extra money! And if Corday or someone else said that, thats where I think he'd be lying through his teeth.
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Jun 16 2009, 09:57 PM
Here is the way I think about it:

40% cut= Drake and Dee, pay cuts of production staff and crew, axing of crew members, pay cuts by cast members, adjustments made to save money on sets and studio usage, maybe cuts of SN and MBE.

New additions/returns: Cuts of SN/MBE/TP, loss of Melvin and Brooks, money saved from JER no longer on the books, revenue garnered from saved money and from ratings/etc.

That is the way I see it. Perhaps I'm wrong but I do know the show is in a much better financial situation then it was and in a much better creative situation then it was so I can totally understand how they are pulling this off and how they can even add a few more people to the mix.
We're just going to have to disagree on all of this. I have no idea why you're choosing to put MBE/SN et al after the 40% cuts, but it never appeared to me that that was the case.


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I agree, daysfan. There is no way the show didn't have some money after all those winter axings. The exits of Melvin, Brooks, and Berris also had to help. The show is just in a much better position all around then it's been in a long time so, unless they bring back like 8 people (most of which are vets or experienced actors/actresses), I think they will be fine.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:00 PM
Well I don't believe that the show had next to no money after firing Drake/Deidre/Thaao/Stephen/Mary Beth/Blake and whoever else exited with them. I mean, Deidre HALL and her co-star were fired...there'd HAVE to be extra money! And if Corday or someone else said that, thats where I think he'd be lying through his teeth.
What I'm trying to say though is that these cuts came along with the fact that the show's budget was nearly halved.


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Jun 16 2009, 10:02 PM
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Jun 16 2009, 09:57 PM
Here is the way I think about it:

40% cut= Drake and Dee, pay cuts of production staff and crew, axing of crew members, pay cuts by cast members, adjustments made to save money on sets and studio usage, maybe cuts of SN and MBE.

New additions/returns: Cuts of SN/MBE/TP, loss of Melvin and Brooks, money saved from JER no longer on the books, revenue garnered from saved money and from ratings/etc.

That is the way I see it. Perhaps I'm wrong but I do know the show is in a much better financial situation then it was and in a much better creative situation then it was so I can totally understand how they are pulling this off and how they can even add a few more people to the mix.
We're just going to have to disagree on all of this. I have no idea why you're choosing to put MBE/SN et al after the 40% cuts, but it never appeared to me that that was the case.


My thinking is that MAYBE they helped account for the 40% or maybe only accounted for a part of it or none at all. That is my thinking with that.

Whatever the case, yes, we will have to agree to disagree, as usual :laugh: .
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Jun 16 2009, 10:04 PM
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Jun 16 2009, 10:00 PM
Well I don't believe that the show had next to no money after firing Drake/Deidre/Thaao/Stephen/Mary Beth/Blake and whoever else exited with them. I mean, Deidre HALL and her co-star were fired...there'd HAVE to be extra money! And if Corday or someone else said that, thats where I think he'd be lying through his teeth.
What I'm trying to say though is that these cuts came along with the fact that the show's budget was nearly halved.


The cuts were made to account for the 40% cut. I doubt Corday would've had the balls to cut Drake and Dee if not for the 40% cut. That cut gave Tomlin enough reason to force Corday into the decision. Without that 40% cut, I bet Drake and Dee would still be on the show. The others, who knows.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:04 PM
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Well I don't believe that the show had next to no money after firing Drake/Deidre/Thaao/Stephen/Mary Beth/Blake and whoever else exited with them. I mean, Deidre HALL and her co-star were fired...there'd HAVE to be extra money! And if Corday or someone else said that, thats where I think he'd be lying through his teeth.
What I'm trying to say though is that these cuts came along with the fact that the show's budget was nearly halved.


Oh I know...but still, while Drake/Deidre's salaries probably did cover the 40% budget cut, STILL...there'd have to be a LITTLE money left over at least.
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This might have been said before, but Darin Brooks and Rachel Melvin left on their own, so their salaries opened up which at least explains why Nick and Rachel are being hired in now.

I don't believe SN and MBE were part of salary reductions because it was more of a "dismissal" IMO and not any kind of write out. The actors were told they weren't to return AFTER their episodes were shot (which is a really shitty thing to do IMO. They don't even get a "last day" taping to say goodbye to the cast and crew?) That just screams out political mess and Tomlin didn't like them.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:07 PM
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Jun 16 2009, 10:04 PM
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Jun 16 2009, 10:00 PM
Well I don't believe that the show had next to no money after firing Drake/Deidre/Thaao/Stephen/Mary Beth/Blake and whoever else exited with them. I mean, Deidre HALL and her co-star were fired...there'd HAVE to be extra money! And if Corday or someone else said that, thats where I think he'd be lying through his teeth.
What I'm trying to say though is that these cuts came along with the fact that the show's budget was nearly halved.


Oh I know...but still, while Drake/Deidre's salaries probably did cover the 40% budget cut, STILL...there'd have to be a LITTLE money left over at least.
See when I hear 40% budget cut, I think 2 camera guys, one who is also the director, filming Maggie and Caroline at tea from different angles while they talk about what everyone else is doing now that they've left Salem. That might be an exaggeration, but 40% is HUGE, and you know they're paying top dollar to the person who's writing those new trivia spots.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:12 PM
This might have been said before, but Darin Brooks and Rachel Melvin left on their own, so their salaries opened up which at least explains why Nick and Rachel are being hired in now.

I don't believe SN and MBE were part of salary reductions because it was more of a "dismissal" IMO and not any kind of write out. The actors were told they weren't to return AFTER their episodes were shot (which is a really shitty thing to do IMO. They don't even get a "last day" taping to say goodbye to the cast and crew?) That just screams out political mess and Tomlin didn't like them.
SN/MBE I think Tomlin just wanted gone, and it helped the budget and they were in the midst of all the cuts so they probably just decided to do it because they thought it'd be a win-win for them...even though it wasn't exactly that for SN/MBE and their fans. But it was obvious that Tomlin doesn't like them, especially SN...Kayla was shot and after helping Hope out they just vanished, it was such a horrible "exit".
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I actually felt Tomlin liked MBE and wanted to keep her. Afterall, we started seeing her more then Steve. It was clear that he despised SN because he hardly even got any lines under Tomlin.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

As annoying as these people coming back when other more-loved (at least by me) actors have been sent packing, I don't buy the idea that these hirings are automatically proof that the release of the DHs, TP and SN and MBE had nothing to do with money.

Yeah, a part of it was story but someone (and more than likely more than one someone) is going to get fired to pay for CC and WK and whoever else is coming back.

Don't Nadia and Shawn have contracts coming up again soon at the end of the summer/early fall? I could see them sending Lauren Koslow and/or Bryan Dattilo out at the conclusion of this story as well.

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Hell I'm not even 100 % sure about the future of AZ given that weird comment she made in the last article about how she doesn't know how Nicole will ever be redeemed for what she's done.

One rumor I don't get though that I see getting spread on occasion on DAYS sites, one site in particular, is the idea that Alison Sweeney may not get her contract renewed this fall because of $$$. Even if half the people at DR seem to detest her to the core of every fiber of the being and even if she was the "diva" who got mixed up in that Ed Scott scandal a while back, she's the one person I see the show willing to pay anything to keep given what a good soldier she is to NBC and given that she's been groomed the last couple years to replace Marlena and given that she's the only adult child of a supercouple of DAYS past left on this show (I don't count Stephanie since she's only been on a little while, Steve and Kayla were gone so long before that, and the character's already been recast once).

The only way I could see her leave is of her own choice like if she wanted to concentrate on TBL hosting alone so she would have more time with her kids.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:18 PM
As annoying as these people coming back when other more-loved (at least by me) actors have been sent packing, I don't buy the idea that these hirings are automatically proof that the release of the DHs, TP and SN and MBE had nothing to do with money.

Yeah, a part of it was story but someone (and more than likely more than one someone) is going to get fired to pay for CC and WK and whoever else is coming back.

Don't Nadia and Shawn have contracts coming up again soon at the end of the summer/early fall? I could see them sending Lauren Koslow and/or Bryan Dattilo out at the conclusion of this story as well.
Good post, and, yes, Nadia's contract is up in November. Shawn's is up in March but that won't stop them, as we've seen before. Lauren's is up in January and Bryan is up in February.

In fact, here is the contract info from Jason47's site:

Kristian Alfonso (Hope): June 2009
Nadia Bjorlin (Chloe): November 2009
Darin Brooks (Max): June 2010
Molly Burnett (Melanie): July 2011
John Callahan (Richard): December 2009
Shawn Christian (Daniel): March 2010
Bryan Dattilo (Lucas): February 2010
Galen Gering (Rafe): October 2012
Shelley Hennig (Stephanie): April 2010
Jay Johnson (Philip): January 2011
Renee Jones (Lexie): June 2009
Lauren Koslow (Kate): January 2010
Eric Martsolf (Brady): November 2012
Joseph Mascolo (Stefano): August 2009
Peggy McCay (Caroline): July 2009
Rachel Melvin (Chelsea): May 2009
Dylan Patton (Will): February 2012
Wes Ramsey (Owen): April 2012
Peter Reckell (Bo): August 2009
Frances Reid (Alice): Lifetime
James Reynolds (Abe): May 2010
Suzanne Rogers (Maggie): June 2009
James Scott (E.J.): May 2011
Taylor Spreitler (Mia): February 2012
Alison Sweeney (Sami): September 2009
Josh Taylor (Roman): May 2010
Felisha Terrell (Arianna): April 2012
Arianne Zucker (Nicole): March 2010

http://sites.google.com/site/jason47days/actor-news

I think Wes Ramsey's is wrong, unless he is returning at some point but there are many contracts up. I don't think we have to worry about Peter and Kristian now with Carly returning and especially since we know they took cuts back in November. Same goes for Sweeney. I think she is here to stay.

I will say that Nadia and Shawn will be gone. Lauren will stick around as she has seen a surge in material since Tomlin came on. I think she will take another cut and stay. Bryan...who knows. Ali Sweeney may step in and save his job but I can see him on the chopping block.

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After all... tomorrow is another day!

Joe Mascolo being up in August scares me with this DiMera-Kiriakis war going on. At this point Stefano possibly dying wouldn't even bother me so much as I can't stand the thought of Stefano possibly dying and John and Marlena not being there.

Any rumors on what's up with Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McKay's contracts? They seem safe with Maggie putting all those people up in her house and Caroline staying if only to keep the Brady Pub set in rotation, but shouldn't we have heard about/will be hearing about those soon?
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Jun 16 2009, 10:33 PM
Joe Mascolo being up in August scares me with this DiMera-Kiriakis war going on. At this point Stefano possibly dying wouldn't even bother me so much as I can't stand the thought of Stefano possibly dying and John and Marlena not being there.

Any rumors on what's up with Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McKay's contracts? They seem safe with Maggie putting all those people up in her house and Caroline staying if only to keep the Brady Pub set in rotation, but shouldn't we have heard about/will be hearing about those soon?
Maggie's gonna stay on contract I'm sure, but I could actually see them dropping McCay to recurring.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:33 PM
Joe Mascolo being up in August scares me with this DiMera-Kiriakis war going on. At this point Stefano possibly dying wouldn't even bother me so much as I can't stand the thought of Stefano possibly dying and John and Marlena not being there.

Any rumors on what's up with Suzanne Rogers and Peggy McKay's contracts? They seem safe with Maggie putting all those people up in her house and Caroline staying if only to keep the Brady Pub set in rotation, but shouldn't we have heard about/will be hearing about those soon?
We used to hear about contract news all the time, sometimes months beforehand, but the last few years contracts seem to be resigned without anyone knowing. I often check back at Jason47's site and see that someone's contract was resigned and nothing was ever reported.

Suzanne is definitely safe and I expect McKay to stay, probably with a lesser guarantee. Joe Mascolo should be nervous as I can see him being canned, especially since he likely has one of the largest salaries, if not the largest. I don't think he's ever taken a cut that I know of. Plus, with what the show has set up, I can totally see EJ taking on his role. EJ will not be happy with Stefano anyway once he learns he is lying to him. Anyway, I can see Joe being axed and it would save even more money if they do that. Then again, he's been getting great material and Tomlin seems to like powerful families like the Dimera's and Kiriakis' so that works in Joe's favor. He would have to take a big cut to stay on though and I have difficulty seeing Joe doing that.
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Yeah, but when you think about it, this wouldn't really be to his advantage to say no to a pay cut when he has much better material to work with than the last time around. Sure, he could turn around and say "Well, I could still go back to TBATB and have a bigger paycheck" but still, with the DiMeras vs Kirakises feud being centerstage, it doesn't get any better for him at the moment.
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Jun 16 2009, 10:50 PM
Yeah, but when you think about it, this wouldn't really be to his advantage to say no to a pay cut when he has much better material to work with than the last time around. Sure, he could turn around and say "Well, I could still go back to TBATB and have a bigger paycheck" but still, with the DiMeras vs Kirakises feud being centerstage, it doesn't get any better for him at the moment.
Very true. However, he may leave on the basis that there is very few people for him to interact with. Most of his scenes are with EJ and Nicole now. He was heartbroken when Thaoo left. I can see him feeling it's not worth it but the Dimera/Kiriakis stuff of late may have been enough to put him in a different mindset so who knows. He's being used alot nad maybe he just wants to work. Afterall, he did sit through the SSM and Langan stuff that was awful for him and the only reason he left Days then was because of salary, which I guess plays into why I can't see him taking a major cut in pay.
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Jun 16 2009, 11:02 PM
Very true. However, he may leave on the basis that there is very few people for him to interact with. Most of his scenes are with EJ and Nicole now. He was heartbroken when Thaoo left. I can see him feeling it's not worth it but the Dimera/Kiriakis stuff of late may have been enough to put him in a different mindset so who knows. He's being used alot nad maybe he just wants to work. Afterall, he did sit through the SSM and Langan stuff that was awful for him and the only reason he left Days then was because of salary, which I guess plays into why I can't see him taking a major cut in pay.
I can't figure the guy out. He always makes comments that indicate he's miserable, yet he always sticks around. I remember the comments you're referring to when Thaao was fired, and it did sound like Joe was really upset about that. He's made comments in the past as well when Stefano was written poorly. I can't imagine he's thrilled with the writing now. But none of that in the past has seemed to impact whether he stays or not - yet on B&B, it did. Maybe he just wants to be on Days above anything else.





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Jun 16 2009, 11:14 PM
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Very true. However, he may leave on the basis that there is very few people for him to interact with. Most of his scenes are with EJ and Nicole now. He was heartbroken when Thaoo left. I can see him feeling it's not worth it but the Dimera/Kiriakis stuff of late may have been enough to put him in a different mindset so who knows. He's being used alot nad maybe he just wants to work. Afterall, he did sit through the SSM and Langan stuff that was awful for him and the only reason he left Days then was because of salary, which I guess plays into why I can't see him taking a major cut in pay.
I can't figure the guy out. He always makes comments that indicate he's miserable, yet he always sticks around. I remember the comments you're referring to when Thaao was fired, and it did sound like Joe was really upset about that. He's made comments in the past as well when Stefano was written poorly. I can't imagine he's thrilled with the writing now. But none of that in the past has seemed to impact whether he stays or not - yet on B&B, it did. Maybe he just wants to be on Days above anything else.





Well, I never took his Thaoo comments to mean he was so angry he couldn't see straight. He came off more heartbroken then anything else but you raise a good point. When it comes to Days, he always seems to stick around with the exception being when he left in 2001 due to salary issues. He's always come and gone, worked without a contract and without, etc. He's also stood by and watched his character nearly destroyed by crappy writing (1998-2001) so it seems like he just enjoys playing Stefano. At B&B, he left when things went bad for him so he backed up his views on what was going on. At Days, it never seems to. He went off on Corday last year but claimed that was due to the loss of his parents and retracted.

I tend to think the difference is at B&B he was nothing special whereas at Days he is playing a legendary character that he brought to life. I also think he's been there for so long and that it's comfortable for him and I do remember him saying when he returned to Days in 2007 that he wanted it to be his last gig before he retires so that may play into it. For him, he may end up staying until he is ready to retire, if the show wants him.
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