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SOD: Sami loses Johnny; June 30th issue; Article Summary
Topic Started: Jun 17 2009, 10:50 AM (4,730 Views)
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PhoenixRising05
Jun 17 2009, 11:31 AM
I'm not as upset about the Will/EJ thing because I don't see it as him taking EJ's side. First off, he says that Sami is a terrible parent and he can see why EJ would do this. That has nothing to do with him hating EJ or not. It's more about his anger for Sami and him feeling she is getting what she deserves for lying and scheming again, especially about this because it is believed EJ is really Grace's father and she just died before she told EJ. If you think about it, Will's been a victim of her lies before and seen others, including his father, be victims, so I think that in a way helps him relate to EJ, regardless of whatever happened in the past. I mean, Will may see this as similar to how his mother lied about his paternity for years only it's much worse with her waiting until after Grace died to tell EJ.

The blurb about asking EJ if he can visit Johnny is logical IMO. He knows EJ is going to get custody, knowing who EJ is, so he just wants to be sure he can actually see his brother. Again, that has nothing to do with EJ and Will's past issues.

Until Will moves in with EJ or starts hanging with him on a social level, I don't see a problem. Hell, I don't even see a problem if Will testifies on EJ's behalf at the custody heating because I know that is him just speaking out against Sami in anger. He feels she has to pay for yet another scheme. He is Sami's son, afterall, so it makes senses for him to react in this way.

Even if we take out everything I just explained, Will is also a teenager and teens are always going to react more strongly to anything their parents or family did then someone outside of that. Plus, they can also be a bit more understanding and much more able to shrug things off because hey are young and could care less about certain things. I don't think that is the case with Will and EJ but I do want to point out that would make sense too if he just let alot of his anger toward EJ go as time went on.
I agree. That and, they seem to have dropped Will's issues with EJ for the most part. When they first met at the Pub after Will came home, I was waiting for a confrontation, or a snarky remark, but it never came. Plus remember his conversation with Mia about the life an ejole baby would have? Nicole was a homicidal porn star, and EJ...didn't get mentioned at all. You could say that the ball has been dropped but even Lucas thought keeping the secret about Grace was a bad idea.
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^^Exactly. I understand Will being mad at Sami but for him to side with EJ is not believable at all not when EJ has done some nasty things to them. In this story Will should defend his mother to EJ but still be mad at her for not telling him the truth. This story is backwards and as I said the fact that Nicole is helping Sami speaks volumes about how ridiculous it is for Will to be all friendly with EJ. LOL. You don't have to be a Sami supporter to know how ridiculous this is.
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GET EM STEPH!!

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Jun 17 2009, 11:41 AM
PhoenixRising05
Jun 17 2009, 11:31 AM
I'm not as upset about the Will/EJ thing because I don't see it as him taking EJ's side. First off, he says that Sami is a terrible parent and he can see why EJ would do this. That has nothing to do with him hating EJ or not. It's more about his anger for Sami and him feeling she is getting what she deserves for lying and scheming again, especially about this because it is believed EJ is really Grace's father and she just died before she told EJ. If you think about it, Will's been a victim of her lies before and seen others, including his father, be victims, so I think that in a way helps him relate to EJ, regardless of whatever happened in the past. I mean, Will may see this as similar to how his mother lied about his paternity for years only it's much worse with her waiting until after Grace died to tell EJ.

The blurb about asking EJ if he can visit Johnny is logical IMO. He knows EJ is going to get custody, knowing who EJ is, so he just wants to be sure he can actually see his brother. Again, that has nothing to do with EJ and Will's past issues.

Until Will moves in with EJ or starts hanging with him on a social level, I don't see a problem. Hell, I don't even see a problem if Will testifies on EJ's behalf at the custody heating because I know that is him just speaking out against Sami in anger. He feels she has to pay for yet another scheme. He is Sami's son, afterall, so it makes senses for him to react in this way.

Even if we take out everything I just explained, Will is also a teenager and teens are always going to react more strongly to anything their parents or family did then someone outside of that. Plus, they can also be a bit more understanding and much more able to shrug things off because hey are young and could care less about certain things. I don't think that is the case with Will and EJ but I do want to point out that would make sense too if he just let alot of his anger toward EJ go as time went on.
Not to sound rude, but that is simply complete and utter B.S.!!!

If I haven't watch the character of Will grow up or seen the mess that was DOOL of 2006, 2007... I would by your explanation.

But being that I know much of the history, I once again say, B.S!

Heck, the only one I like in the entire storyline is Nicole. I just wish she was doing the stuff she was doing for fun instead of desperations. But on DOOL, every woman is desperate for something.
I know the history too but I don't see that at play at all as far as Will and EJ's history goes. This is about Will's anger toward Sami right now. EJ just happens to be the one taking Sami to task and Will likes it because he thinks she needs to be punished for what she did. That is how I see it.

Also, even if my reasoning was not a part of it, as six said, they have not went out of the way to bring up Will and EJ's issues with each other. Will was gone for awhile and I'm not completely sure they have dropped it yet as we really haven't seen Will in a situation where it HAD to be noted but they have not mentioned it so it should be no surprise that isn't at play here.

He's not siding with EJ. He's just reacting to Sami and what she did because he's hurt too. It has nothing to do with the fact it's EJ. He's just happy someone is taking her to task on it.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jun 17 2009, 11:49 AM.
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Will,you little BRAT.
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I guess it is odd about Will because this week, we are seeing Will get angry about Sami LYING to him and not trusting him with Grace's paternity. He didn't seem to be angry at all about keeping paternity from EJ.

And we know that when Will left town for Carrie and Austin, he left because he was mad at Sami for breaking up his family and marrying EJ. He was totally pissed off about EJ ruining his family/mom and dad marriage, and Sami allowing it.

So Will's history is about hating EJ.
I am surprised that he isn't supporting his mom more. I know he is angry she lied, but given his past with EJ, he should have some understanding about her motivations.

Maybe Will will say something about keeping his paternity from Lucas and should have learned her lesson. That might help this all make sense. But just being mad because she lied...Will suspected that a long time ago. He shouldn't be surprised.

And I don't buy it is because he is a teen. Yes, he is, but this teen should be taking his mom on for having to watch Grace 90% of the time instead of macking on Mia.
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this is weird for me. on one hand, yes, they're whitewashing will's history with ej-- despite the good points phoenix made, he did leave town and go to switzerland mainly because of ej. so the idea that he would side with him in any way over his mom or anyone else, doesn't make sense to me.

on the other hand, however, ej isn't being whitewashed in any other way. we have characters like arianna and stephanie saying they would hide ej's baby from him, too. basically, every character apart from ej and stefano have all sided with sami and understood why she did what she did.

it's honestly like salem is stuck in the 1950's, and all the characters think the stork magically brought sami ej's baby. i hate to harp on this, but the fact that no one seems to give a rip that sami made this baby with ej willingly enough makes me angry.
Edited by luvpumpkns, Jun 17 2009, 12:01 PM.
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GET EM STEPH!!

I don't think Will just left Salem because of EJ. He left because Sami went along with it too. Sure, it had to do with EJ but most of his anger was directed at Sami because she's the one who destroyed their family and actually agreed to marry EJ. Sure, he hated EJ but most of his rage was directed at Sami so that actually plays into my thinking here.

It would help immensely if they have Will cite Sami's past deceit, like lying to Lucas about his paternity, and saying that she is just getting what she deserves. I suppose it all depends on how the scene plays because it's hard to tell from a magazine article, especially one that is paraphrased. I will probably still see it the same way I explained, regardless, so I will still be on the opposite side of things as some of you most likely LOL.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jun 17 2009, 12:03 PM.
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Jun 17 2009, 12:01 PM
I don't think Will just left Salem because of EJ. He left because Sami went along with it too. Sure, it had to do with EJ but most of his anger was directed at Sami because she's the one who destroyed their family and actually agreed to marry EJ. Sure, he hated EJ but most of his rage was directed at Sami so that actually plays into my thinking here.

That's a good point, PR.
If Will is looking for an excuse to hate his mom, I guess this could be one...without even bringing EJ into the picture.

And maybe knowing that Sami agreed to sleep with EJ after all that happened, and not only did she not end up with him, but didn't use birth control, that could make Will even more angry at her irresponsibility and then punishing the baby for her stupidity.

I see what you are saying.
Still think this story is rather silly.
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Jun 17 2009, 11:55 AM
I guess it is odd about Will because this week, we are seeing Will get angry about Sami LYING to him and not trusting him with Grace's paternity. He didn't seem to be angry at all about keeping paternity from EJ.

And we know that when Will left town for Carrie and Austin, he left because he was mad at Sami for breaking up his family and marrying EJ. He was totally pissed off about EJ ruining his family/mom and dad marriage, and Sami allowing it.

So Will's history is about hating EJ.
I am surprised that he isn't supporting his mom more. I know he is angry she lied, but given his past with EJ, he should have some understanding about her motivations.

Maybe Will will say something about keeping his paternity from Lucas and should have learned her lesson. That might help this all make sense. But just being mad because she lied...Will suspected that a long time ago. He shouldn't be surprised.

And I don't buy it is because he is a teen. Yes, he is, but this teen should be taking his mom on for having to watch Grace 90% of the time instead of macking on Mia.
I think Will is mostly focusing on himself, and how it affected him. At one point when she told him the truth, he said something like "Do you think I would've told anyone?" So, he might not be so much upset about her hiding Grace's paternity in general, just that she hid it from him.
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Jun 17 2009, 11:10 AM
More Bullshit. I swear to god Ejami is absolutely the worse written story ever on this show. There is no way Will would support EJ after what that man did to his mom and dad. I am so sick of these writers glossing over things like we are so dumb that we can't see how stupid it really is. I'm sorry but Will was there thru all the drama with EJ/Sami/Lucas there is no way that boy would side with EJ. So excuse me while I laugh at the ridiculousness of this story. EJ is not a role model himself at one point he threatened Will's life to convince Sami to marry him and i'm sure Will knows all the horrible things EJ did to his family so stop with the bullshit. I hate stuff like that. They need to quit doing that and that's what they've been doing for awhile in this story basically trying to ignore what's been written previously. That just gets on my nerves.
Oh good grief. Some people can never miss a chance to bash Ejami even when something doesn't even have to do about them. Will saying what he says doesn't sound to me like it even has to do with EJ or EJami. He's a pissed off teen finding a way to get back at his mother from keeping a blood sibling from him, or so he thinks, and so he wants to spend time with another one of his blood siblings even after this custody change. I don't see how Will reacts as necessarily ignoring history either given that this situation would likely dredge up all sorts of feelings Will's never fully dealt with regarding his parents custody battle over him and how turbulent his life was as a kid largely due to Sami's first lie to him that Austin was his father and all the craziness that resulted from that. And even if Will knew that EJ hinted at doing something to him to get Sami to marry him, which I'm not certain that she does since Sami kind of has a thing for keeping Will in the dark, Sami willingly slept with the guy six months later so what does that say to Will about his mother to make him like or understand HER any more? Will going to the DiMansion to see Johnny is probably just some contrived plot point anyway have Will (and Mia possibly) go there and find something out that advances the baby switch story or at the very least puts Nicole on edge worried about Will finding something out.
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^I stand by what I said. I'm just sick of it period.
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Jun 17 2009, 12:57 PM
Will going to the DiMansion to see Johnny is probably just some contrived plot point anyway have Will (and Mia possibly) go there and find something out that advances the baby switch story or at the very least puts Nicole on edge worried about Will finding something out.
ding ding ding. we have a winner. i hate these stinking plot points. they keep getting in the way of what could be good drama on this show. : )
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Jun 17 2009, 12:57 PM
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Jun 17 2009, 11:10 AM
More Bullshit. I swear to god Ejami is absolutely the worse written story ever on this show. There is no way Will would support EJ after what that man did to his mom and dad. I am so sick of these writers glossing over things like we are so dumb that we can't see how stupid it really is. I'm sorry but Will was there thru all the drama with EJ/Sami/Lucas there is no way that boy would side with EJ. So excuse me while I laugh at the ridiculousness of this story. EJ is not a role model himself at one point he threatened Will's life to convince Sami to marry him and i'm sure Will knows all the horrible things EJ did to his family so stop with the bullshit. I hate stuff like that. They need to quit doing that and that's what they've been doing for awhile in this story basically trying to ignore what's been written previously. That just gets on my nerves.
Oh good grief. Some people can never miss a chance to bash Ejami even when something doesn't even have to do about them. Will saying what he says doesn't sound to me like it even has to do with EJ or EJami. He's a pissed off teen finding a way to get back at his mother from keeping a blood sibling from him, or so he thinks, and so he wants to spend time with another one of his blood siblings even after this custody change. I don't see how Will reacts as necessarily ignoring history either given that this situation would likely dredge up all sorts of feelings Will's never fully dealt with regarding his parents custody battle over him and how turbulent his life was as a kid largely due to Sami's first lie to him that Austin was his father and all the craziness that resulted from that. And even if Will knew that EJ hinted at doing something to him to get Sami to marry him, which I'm not certain that she does since Sami kind of has a thing for keeping Will in the dark, Sami willingly slept with the guy six months later so what does that say to Will about his mother to make him like or understand HER any more? Will going to the DiMansion to see Johnny is probably just some contrived plot point anyway have Will (and Mia possibly) go there and find something out that advances the baby switch story or at the very least puts Nicole on edge worried about Will finding something out.
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luvpumpkns
Jun 17 2009, 01:11 PM
IMissAremid
Jun 17 2009, 12:57 PM
Will going to the DiMansion to see Johnny is probably just some contrived plot point anyway have Will (and Mia possibly) go there and find something out that advances the baby switch story or at the very least puts Nicole on edge worried about Will finding something out.
ding ding ding. we have a winner. i hate these stinking plot points. they keep getting in the way of what could be good drama on this show. : )
No shit. I don't want to have to imagine or fanwank or guess at how and why Will is suddenly reasonably ok with EJ. I don't care if this is primarily about him being pissed at Sami, he still should not ever be ok with EJ. It's so fucking stupid of them to bring up Lucas shooting EJ with Will and simultaneously have Will acting like being around EJ is no big deal. Will not even asking how or why it was his mother voluntarily slept with the man who last he heard before he left town raped her was just further proof it's yet another retcon or whitewash and we're all supposed to just accept it. What I don't get is there's so much good potential drama there that they totally ignore and for what? Why? And why should I have to make up conversations in my head about Will learning about EJami's one time together and him having some reaction to it and eventually dealing with his feelings, to get to where we are now? It's so moronic.
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I don't have a problem with Will agreeing that Johnny should be with EJ and not Sami. He hates Sami right now for what she did, for lying to him again. Will is the son of Lucas and Sami. Fans have been pleading for the writers to finally show this, and this is a great way of doing it. Will is going to hurt Sami the only way he knows how to and that's by siding with EJ. It's something Sami would've done to Marlena, and Lucas would've done to Kate, back when they were actually being written as who they are and not these pods they are today. The only thing that would make this angle better is if Will does, in fact, testifty against Sami at the custody hearing. That would really be karma for Sami for the hell she put John, Marlena and Roman through when she was younger.

I like Sami going to Philip and Stephanie for help and being denied. I really hope they show Sami getting angry at Stephaie and Philip and vowing that they'll regret not helping her. That's what Sami would do. She goes to family for help, but when they refuse to help her, she expresses her hatred for them and vows to get even with them at a later time. I would love to see Sami going up against Philip and Stephanie. I want to see Sami calling Stephanie a traitor and turning her back on her family. That would be awesome!

I'm going to love Sami going to Nicole for help. SOLE reunion, maybe?

The only part that makes me cringe in this interview is when Sweeney discusses how Rafe and Sami are going to find a way to stay together and get through this. Worry about getting your damn child, Sami, not some idiot!
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Jun 17 2009, 01:25 PM
The only part that makes me cringe in this interview is when Sweeney discusses how Rafe and Sami are going to find a way to stay together and get through this. Worry about getting your damn child, Sami, not some idiot!
It's actually true to Sami's character (as much as I hate it). She's almost ALWAYS put men before her own kids. It's part of why she's such a shitty mother.
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Jun 17 2009, 11:41 AM
PhoenixRising05
Jun 17 2009, 11:31 AM
I'm not as upset about the Will/EJ thing because I don't see it as him taking EJ's side. First off, he says that Sami is a terrible parent and he can see why EJ would do this. That has nothing to do with him hating EJ or not. It's more about his anger for Sami and him feeling she is getting what she deserves for lying and scheming again, especially about this because it is believed EJ is really Grace's father and she just died before she told EJ. If you think about it, Will's been a victim of her lies before and seen others, including his father, be victims, so I think that in a way helps him relate to EJ, regardless of whatever happened in the past. I mean, Will may see this as similar to how his mother lied about his paternity for years only it's much worse with her waiting until after Grace died to tell EJ.

The blurb about asking EJ if he can visit Johnny is logical IMO. He knows EJ is going to get custody, knowing who EJ is, so he just wants to be sure he can actually see his brother. Again, that has nothing to do with EJ and Will's past issues.

Until Will moves in with EJ or starts hanging with him on a social level, I don't see a problem. Hell, I don't even see a problem if Will testifies on EJ's behalf at the custody heating because I know that is him just speaking out against Sami in anger. He feels she has to pay for yet another scheme. He is Sami's son, afterall, so it makes senses for him to react in this way.

Even if we take out everything I just explained, Will is also a teenager and teens are always going to react more strongly to anything their parents or family did then someone outside of that. Plus, they can also be a bit more understanding and much more able to shrug things off because hey are young and could care less about certain things. I don't think that is the case with Will and EJ but I do want to point out that would make sense too if he just let alot of his anger toward EJ go as time went on.
Not to sound rude, but that is simply complete and utter B.S.!!!

If I haven't watch the character of Will grow up or seen the mess that was DOOL of 2006, 2007... I would by your explanation.

But being that I know much of the history, I once again say, B.S!

Heck, the only one I like in the entire storyline is Nicole. I just wish she was doing the stuff she was doing for fun instead of desperations. But on DOOL, every woman is desperate for something.
Okay, to be honest, how much did we even SEE Will during 2006-2007? I only remember a few episodes of him coming back after Lucas was shot in the leg by Sami and then leaving again...heck I never even thought that he shot EJ. Now, I do think that Will should have some resentment of EJ....but like Phoenix said, kinda, I think this is more for Johnny's sake.

I mean, if my mother lied about all that, and while my ex-step-father may be evil too, I would think my brother would be better off with him! I can see people's problems with this, though.

And here just a few days ago some people were worried about Will understanding Sami and taking her side.... :lol:
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Jun 17 2009, 02:05 PM
It's actually true to Sami's character (as much as I hate it). She's almost ALWAYS put men before her own kids. It's part of why she's such a shitty mother.
That's true. And if it were any other man, I would be okay with this. But Rafe just makes me sick.
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Why even try to find logic in this f**king show!!

This storyline is a big f-u to anyone whose watched this show for more than two years.

They have just wiped away EJ's history. They started with everyone, every two or three scenes, saying how great of a guy EJ was. Kayla: Yeah, he tortured Steve but he got us a great deal on his apartment.

Then they took the rape and made it some miscommunicated love scene. If only Sami had known to move her leg to left, she wouldn't have cried.

Then they made Lucas and EJ gripey but not really hate eachother. Yeah, I know you raped my wife, destroyed my family and tried to kill me, but let's split a sandwich.

Then they brought back Will and made him have no problem with EJ.

Now they have him actually choosing EJ over Sami? WTF?

We're supposed to say its because he's angry at his mom? I don't care if my mom lied six thousand times to me, I would never chose her rapist and the guy that destroyed my family over her?

It's not logical. Its implausible that Will would be this way.

All this is to make EJ look like a victim. But I'm sorry. I don't buy it. Didn't he just commit a crime that he escaped from>

When he goes into those rants about how Sami lied to him and played God with his and his child's life... he didn't feel that way when he was trying to murder people and doing what he can to produce a Dimera spawn.

This is just another storyline pimping EJ. I'm so tired of it.





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Jun 18 2009, 08:47 AM
Why even try to find logic in this f**king show!!

This storyline is a big f-u to anyone whose watched this show for more than two years.

They have just wiped away EJ's history. They started with everyone, every two or three scenes, saying how great of a guy EJ was. Kayla: Yeah, he tortured Steve but he got us a great deal on his apartment.

Then they took the rape and made it some miscommunicated love scene. If only Sami had known to move her leg to left, she wouldn't have cried.

Then they made Lucas and EJ gripey but not really hate eachother. Yeah, I know you raped my wife, destroyed my family and tried to kill me, but let's split a sandwich.

Then they brought back Will and made him have no problem with EJ.

Now they have him actually choosing EJ over Sami? WTF?

We're supposed to say its because he's angry at his mom? I don't care if my mom lied six thousand times to me, I would never chose her rapist and the guy that destroyed my family over her?

It's not logical. Its implausible that Will would be this way.

All this is to make EJ look like a victim. But I'm sorry. I don't buy it. Didn't he just commit a crime that he escaped from>

When he goes into those rants about how Sami lied to him and played God with his and his child's life... he didn't feel that way when he was trying to murder people and doing what he can to produce a Dimera spawn.

This is just another storyline pimping EJ. I'm so tired of it.





:cheer: I love this post! If I had been drinking something I would have spewed all over my computer screen. :applause: You hit all the nails on the head.
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