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SOW: July Spoilers; July 7th issue
Topic Started: Jun 24 2009, 10:35 AM (11,224 Views)
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Paxton
Jun 24 2009, 10:40 AM
Ellie
Jun 24 2009, 10:35 AM
- Philip feels rejected and makes a play for Melanie.

- Stephanie strikes up a friendship with Nathan.

UGH!!! I thought we were DONE with Phelony. This is nightmarish news. Oh good heavens, please SPARE ME Philip/Stephanie/Melanie/Nathan quad. Which of these things is not like the other one, which of these things just doesn't belong? Why, it's Philip, an actual grownup who I want to have an actual grownup romance with an actual grownup woman. :puke:

But, thanks for posting Ellie!
Very bad news indeed. It's like this show is bound and determined that no matter what, at least one "couple" on here is to be meant to work on my gag reflexes. There was Stax, then Chan, then Chex and now Phelony. When will they learn that Molly Burnett is too young to be placed opposite every hunk on this show.
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Jun 24 2009, 10:59 AM
That bit about Philip and Melanie and Stephanie and Nathan just destroyed what hopes I had for the summer. Actually, I don't even care about the Stephanie/Nathan side of things except that it means Melanie will be involved in some way. Gag.
Right. I've yet to see Nathan, and I actually was intrigued at the Melanie/Nathan outcome but destroying Philip's character putting him opposite Melanie is not worth it and it certainly doesn't make me want to root for Stephanie/Nathan.
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Jun 24 2009, 12:16 PM
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Jun 24 2009, 11:29 AM
Paxton
Jun 24 2009, 10:40 AM
Ellie
Jun 24 2009, 10:35 AM
- Philip feels rejected and makes a play for Melanie.

- Stephanie strikes up a friendship with Nathan.

UGH!!! I thought we were DONE with Phelony. This is nightmarish news. Oh good heavens, please SPARE ME Philip/Stephanie/Melanie/Nathan quad. Which of these things is not like the other one, which of these things just doesn't belong? Why, it's Philip, an actual grownup who I want to have an actual grownup romance with an actual grownup woman. :puke:

But, thanks for posting Ellie!
Very bad news indeed. It's like this show is bound and determined that no matter what, at least one "couple" on here is to be meant to work on my gag reflexes. There was Stax, then Chan, then Chex and now Phelony. When will they learn that Molly Burnett is too young to be placed opposite every hunk on this show.
I donīt see a problem here. Phillip and Mel had great chemistry during their little adventure when they tried to safe Steph. And I doubt anything serious will happen between them. Not anymore, because Mel is already getting interested in Nathan and besides she will know Phillip is still in love with Steph so I doubt she will agree to be just his bed warmer. And I doubt Steph and Nathan will be anything more than friends as well.

I think itīs a great setup and classic DAYS quadrangle. It would be too easy if Mel and Nathan just fell for each other and thatīs it, end of story. And if Phillip and Steph really love each other they will find a way to each other again. I can already see the scenes where Mel is flaunting her relationship with Phillip (which is really not so great behind the doors) only to be secretly jealous at Nathan and his friendship with Steph. Good times. ;)

I have to (respectfully) disagree. A classic quad is one where it's natural for all sides to come into contact. I know a few people like Melanie and Philip together, but basically you have the same issues with what we had with Chan and Chex/Stax. The people who are opposed to it are GREATLY opposed to it and thus the show must take precious airtime to try to convince us "give it a chance, you'll like it" when "No, we won't" becomes louder and louder. I know the ratings are improving but I still don't think Days should waste any time on couples who will be going no where. And treating Molly Burnett like she's Heather Locklear coming to save Melrose Place isn't gonna do it. It's almost laughable, except it's just not funny.

Probably the bigger issue is Philip in this quad. The character (and actor) should be about 30 now, so having him hang around people barely twenty is icky. I know Dena has a hard on for age appropriate relationships, but it's getting ridiculous. It was her decision to make Melanie 18 and casting young MB (both in face and voice) keeps her that way. She looks ridiculous opposite guys like Philiip (which is bad enough) and Brady too (which is even worse). I am fine with Nathan for her, and I realize this may just be a means to keep conflicts for the new couple, but Philip is being ruined in the meantime. I can deal with him and Stephanie but barely. I dealt with his chasing after Belle because she was someone from his HS years but now he's a ruthless business tycoon and war veteran. The idea someone as adolescent as Melanie turning his head in any form is just another staple of Dena's ability to ruin characters.
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Jun 24 2009, 01:26 PM
I really don't get the age argument.

So many of soaps supercouples had an older man and younger woman. Bo was older then Hope. Steve was older then Kayla. Austin was older then Carrie (although not by much, I don't believe) but he was older then Sami.

I just don't get that. I get if you just dislike the couple together or the character but I think age should have very little to do with whether a couple can be successful or not. I think it all comes down to the writing and chemistry.
Bo and Hope were both quite young. Bo was maybe 21. 22? He was also an out of work guy who's maturity had a long way to go. Same with Steve and while Kayla "was younger" she was an established professional in her mid twenties. I never liked Carrie or Austin (talk about boring) but this is a good point. When Sami was initially interested in Austin, it took years before Austin looked at her in that way, and even when he did, he was still...a guy in his early 20s who was trying to make it as a piano player initially.

I honestly don't care for large age gaps and the constant "older man/younger woman" dynamic that has been handed to us for decades but if the story is right (and it requires planning) I might. If Melanie was in her mid twenties I could look the other way even if Victor was interested in her. It's about maturity and I don't see how Philip (a war veteran, crime boss, business man) would have anything in common with a girl barely out of high school who has spent most of her life "partying". He might be attracted to her just for looks, but he can have anyone out there, so why chase a girl 10 years his junior?

Chemistry is important for a couple and I don't see it with Phelony either but even if I do, it can't be the only thing. I am not someone who will just accept any couple because they are "hot" together (which is why I don't support Danloe.) It's the writers job to make me root for the couple and I can't just do it because they say so. And that's how Phelony is coming across.
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Jun 24 2009, 01:36 PM
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Jun 24 2009, 01:06 PM
Secondly, all I was saying is that you can't base viewing decisions on a couple of vague tidbits in a magazine. Hell, you can't even when it's more comprehensive. That goes for ANY show. not just Days. All the tidbits are like this for the shows, some worse then Days, so my point is simply this. If your already down on the show, fine. However, to those who may be trying it out or watching sparingly or consistently, I wouldn't let these tidbits deter me from watching but, again, that is just my opinion.
But aren't these supposed to make us want to watch?
Hee, good point. And it's always a bad sign when most people describe spoilers as "lame" "sucks" or "dammit!"
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Jun 24 2009, 02:26 PM
Kate's slowly poisoning Chloe while her health is deteriorating? Kate has become a completey vile character.I sense the end of her time in Salem is appraoching.She will be brought up on charges when all is said and done.Too bad the writers decided to take her in this direction
No, nobody has to pay for their crimes on this show. Well, except my boy Nick. But I'm sure they won't get rid of her.
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Jun 24 2009, 02:30 PM

I think itīs not so simple. I really donīt care about the real actorīs age. JKJ certainly doesnīt look like he is already in his 30 and Phillip is written as much younger as well. Honestly, I cannot imagine him in the same age group as Lucas, Sami, Chloe or Daniel. Years ago, when he was fighting about Claire and had the affair with Belle yes, but not anymore. From the moment Higley came on he is written as a young playboy, free, rich and enjoying the life. Dating younger beautifull girls is the most natural thing he could do.






How is Philip much younger? He's been to war. Twice. And wounded twice. He's running a major corporation and now he's running the seedy side of the business as well. He's been married before along with being a father. This guy has lived more then most guys twice his age.

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The age thing is relative as well. Molly and SH are almost the same age in RL. And DAYS past is full of young girl/old men relationship which are legendary now. Itīs all about the chemistry. Iīm not expecting Phillip and Mel to end together but nothing is easier for the writers than to age Mel especially if the actress is older in RL as well. They did the same with Jennifer. She started college in 1988, yet in 1990 she was already in drinking age and she went from part time job at Spectator to full time job at television with no explanation. Her graduation was never even mentioned.


But Days chose to make Melanie 18. And though you can SORAS a character, it isn't something you can do overnight. And having Jennifer drinking in 1990 after starting college one year earlier is hardly a huge age jump. Having Melanie go from 18 to 21 or older is larger not in years but in experience. And if they are going to SORAS Melanie, they need to get a new actress because she's suffering from the same problem as RM, she just looks younger.

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As for Mel and Phillip, they are hated here. But there are other boards where they have huge following. Heck, even the Brady/Mel group is growing. Obviously, we will never agree here but I think Molly really has something uniq which makes all the men around her came to life and react. I donīt see the "No, we wonīt" group become louder and louder, I see the exact opposite. And the show has to see it as well because otherwise they would drop it months ago. No matter how ridiculous theories people at DC and Nelson makes about Molly and the reason she is on the show, I seriously doubt TPTB would invest so much into her if the viewers polls came back majorly negative.


Numbers can be deceiving, especially on other boards. I think we can all remember one fan group who greatly inflated their numbers and I think it's quite possible with Melanie/Philip. Most of what I read is how much people HATE Melanie and that's Internet wide. I don't necessarily hate Melanie unless the show tries to make her more then she is. It's like their addiction to Darin Brooks which also was just as puzzling.

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And the last thing, this is not a teen story. Nobody in it is written as teen or considered to be teen anymore. Mia, Will and Chad are teens. Phillip, Mel, Steph and Nathan are all young adults, starting their job or building their carreers. Nobody forces JKJ to hang around his locker room wearing Salem High basketball T-shirt and sneaking into girls shower room with Nathan. I donīt see why should JKJ mind. Heck, he may be dating SH in real life so why he should be against it in Salem.


Well, people see them as teens because most of the time they act like it. People called Stax and Chex teen stories too. Technically they should be in college right now but they can't do that because it only highlights how Philip ISN'T in college and looks seedy if he starts hanging around college campus to see his girlfriend. Can you imagine the CEO of any corporation doing that? And while I do want Philip to have been seen as a sexier guy, that isn't all that he's about. In fact, I miss the old Philip who was brooding and cynical. Finding out Belle never loved him and kept going back to that nitwit Shawn would make anyone think less of "love" and what was wrong with keeping his handicap of the missing leg? If I was a soap writer, I would prefer to write a deeply layered character who has hardships and losses that help push him to be his own man rather then a rich playboy who is blindly doing his father's orders. But Dena goes for what is easier to write and shapes the character to fit her "lazy" storylines.
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Jun 24 2009, 10:10 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepEllie
I think itīs not so simple. I really donīt care about the real actorīs age. JKJ certainly doesnīt look like he is already in his 30 and Phillip is written as much younger as well. Honestly, I cannot imagine him in the same age group as Lucas, Sami, Chloe or Daniel. Years ago, when he was fighting about Claire and had the affair with Belle yes, but not anymore. From the moment Higley came on he is written as a young playboy, free, rich and enjoying the life. Dating younger beautifull girls is the most natural thing he could do.

The age thing is relative as well. Molly and SH are almost the same age in RL. And DAYS past is full of young girl/old men relationship which are legendary now. Itīs all about the chemistry. Iīm not expecting Phillip and Mel to end together but nothing is easier for the writers than to age Mel especially if the actress is older in RL as well. They did the same with Jennifer. She started college in 1988, yet in 1990 she was already in drinking age and she went from part time job at Spectator to full time job at television with no explanation. Her graduation was never even mentioned.

As for Mel and Phillip, they are hated here. But there are other boards where they have huge following. Heck, even the Brady/Mel group is growing. Obviously, we will never agree here but I think Molly really has something uniq which makes all the men around her came to life and react. I donīt see the "No, we wonīt" group become louder and louder, I see the exact opposite. And the show has to see it as well because otherwise they would drop it months ago. No matter how ridiculous theories people at DC and Nelson makes about Molly and the reason she is on the show, I seriously doubt TPTB would invest so much into her if the viewers polls came back majorly negative.

And the last thing, this is not a teen story. Nobody in it is written as teen or considered to be teen anymore. Mia, Will and Chad are teens. Phillip, Mel, Steph and Nathan are all young adults, starting their job or building their carreers. Nobody forces JKJ to hang around his locker room wearing Salem High basketball T-shirt and sneaking into girls shower room with Nathan. I donīt see why should JKJ mind. Heck, he may be dating SH in real life so why he should be against it in Salem.

Hi! I'm new here and just happened upon this site while googling Days. I just was reading where a lot of you guys are saying Philip's character should be around 30 and disagree. My Grandmother, Mom, and sisters (they're 12 and 14 years older than me) watched Days as long as I can remember and I used to HATE it growing up. I started watching it in high school and Philip, Chloe, Mimi, Shawn, and Belle were in high school also and I always thought it was cool that I had a group to relate to on the show. I graduated in 2003 and I think their "class" had graduated the year before so that'd be them about a year older. I recently turned 24 so how could Philip be almost 30?
Mainly because the show decided last year Shelle had a high school reunion 2 years ago. There are no 5 year HS reunions so it must have been 10. SORASing doesn't stop once the character is out of high school, and to make it believable that Philip is where he is now, he MUST be closer to 30 then 20.
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Jul 5 2009, 04:17 PM
I happen to like Philip and Melanie. I think they have great chemistry and they give off sparks all the time. I loved Daniel and Chelsea and never thought Daniel was too old for Chelsea so of course I am not going to think that Philip is too old for Melanie either. I think Philip and Melanie are more interesting to watch then Philip and Stephanie personally.

Um, no. I don't get Dena's affinity for inappropriate age relationships. Chan was the first start of it (and went on too long, making the days of our lives miserable the whole time). I'm sure Phelony will not be the last, but since the show foolishly is reminding us between commercials, JKJ started playing a teenaged Philip 10 years ago. Now he's aged but apparently the show thinks it's proper for him to continue dating them? Is Dena ever going to learn?
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