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DAYS:Spoilers for wk of July 13th; *UPDATED 7/11*
Topic Started: Jun 30 2009, 10:09 PM (11,957 Views)
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Mason
Jul 1 2009, 08:12 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:08 PM
They will say something like they were too busy with their jobs back then or something.
Well, I hope not! It would only make Bo and Hope look like the shittiest parents in the world, LoL.
Well, hasn't that been the case with all these characters?

I swear, pretty much every character with children on the soaps is made out to be a terrible parent. The lone exceptions are characters like Alice Horton LOL.
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PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:42 PM
Mason
Jul 1 2009, 08:12 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:08 PM
They will say something like they were too busy with their jobs back then or something.
Well, I hope not! It would only make Bo and Hope look like the shittiest parents in the world, LoL.
Well, hasn't that been the case with all these characters?

I swear, pretty much every character with children on the soaps is made out to be a terrible parent. The lone exceptions are characters like Alice Horton LOL.
If this is Ciara's birthday, and the writers try to pretend like her birthday is still in December but they're celebrating now...that's not bad parenting. That's CRAP writing. It's already crap that they moved it for no reason when they could have done anything else, but to pretend like this was the first chance they had to celebrate would just be stupid.
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Changing the date of her birthday doesn't bother me. I mean look how they have changed the AGES of people?? This is minor. I just don't think changing a little girls birthday and making it a few months different is a big deal.
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DrewHamilton
Jul 1 2009, 03:32 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 03:17 PM
I have a feeling Ciara's party is a make up party of some sort or something. I bet it will be some sort of cheesy thing where they throw a party because they've all been through so much kind of thing.
Doubt it. This sounds like an actual birthday party. It's not like Bo and Hope were too busy with story back in December for them to say they were too busy dealing with so and so to give Ciara a proper birthday party.

I'm pretty sure this just another case of the writers not caring about history on the show and moving a birthday to another date to accomodate the plot.

SO.ANNNOYING.
I actually think they will give a reason. The show has been using history very well so I doubt they would make that big a fuckup. They will say something like they were too busy with their jobs back then or something.

The show has it's issues but it has not been screwing with important things like that. I would be shocked if they presented that party in a way that acted as if it was Ciara's actual birthday. I mean, what reason is there for it? How does it accommodate the plot? Bo and Hope don't even have any story yet. This vision of Ciara thing hasn't gone anywhere yet so there is no reason to mess with things for a plot that hasn't even materialized yet but we'll see.
If the writers are not totally changing Ciara's birthdate, the reason they may be celebrating her birthday now maybe be that they want her to have a birthday that is not the day after Christmas. My son has a friend who was born on Christmas Eve. His parents have a birthday party on his half year birthday (June 24th) because they always felt like he was slighted because everyone is caught up in Christmas and Ben didn't have a real birthday because people would give him one present that would suffice for both Christmas and birthday. So, they have a big birthday party for him on his 1/2 birthday on June 24th. It made Ben feel special that he had 2 birthdays each year.

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Now there's a great explanation. Hmmm, but then again, in the past, they have often had Hope celebrating her Christmas Eve Birthday.
Edited by dooldooldool, Jul 2 2009, 05:55 AM.
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I swear the writers have pulled this with so many characters.Seems like all the Salemites want to get the f*** outta Dodge
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dooldooldool
Jul 2 2009, 05:54 AM
Now there's a great explanation. Hmmm, but then again, in the past, they have often had Hope celebrating her Christmas Eve Birthday.
Well Hope is a "grown up" lol
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PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:08 PM
The show has it's issues but it has not been screwing with important things like that. I would be shocked if they presented that party in a way that acted as if it was Ciara's actual birthday. I mean, what reason is there for it? How does it accommodate the plot? Bo and Hope don't even have any story yet. This vision of Ciara thing hasn't gone anywhere yet so there is no reason to mess with things for a plot that hasn't even materialized yet but we'll see.
The show does it all the time. They did it back in 2005 when Jack returned. Abby's birthday was originally in October, but because Jack was coming back in April, they decided to switch her birthday and place it in April for the plot.

That's what they're doing here. Bo and Hope's story involving Ciara and these visions calls for a bunch of kids to be gathered around. Instead of actually coming up with plausible ideas (like a pool party), the writers are just going to act like the fans didn't watch Hope give birth in December and say that Ciara's birthday is in July. I don't understand why you think this is such a leap. This isn't the first time this show has done it. I don't care if these writers have only been here for a year and a half and haven't done it yet. No one's really had a birthday since these writers have been writing, or at least they didn't incorporate it into the show. These writers are certainly no different than the writers of the past that have changed birthdays. When writers write for the plot, which these do, I know it's hard for you to grasp that, this is the kind of stuff we get. Fuck history. We need to worry about right now.
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Mason
Jul 1 2009, 08:12 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:08 PM
They will say something like they were too busy with their jobs back then or something.
Well, I hope not! It would only make Bo and Hope look like the shittiest parents in the world, LoL.
Exactly! I love how people are okay with this as long as Bo and Hope say that this is a make up birthday party. They weren't doing shit back in December, and even if they were, a simple "It's Ciara's birthday today." line would've been fine. But for people to just be okay with Bo and Hope giving Ciara a make up birthday party makes it sound like people are okay with accepting that Bo and Hope are shitty parents.
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PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:42 PM
Mason
Jul 1 2009, 08:12 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 1 2009, 08:08 PM
They will say something like they were too busy with their jobs back then or something.
Well, I hope not! It would only make Bo and Hope look like the shittiest parents in the world, LoL.
Well, hasn't that been the case with all these characters?

I swear, pretty much every character with children on the soaps is made out to be a terrible parent. The lone exceptions are characters like Alice Horton LOL.
That doesn't make it okay!


GOD! LOL! :drunk:
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Jul 1 2009, 09:13 PM
Changing the date of her birthday doesn't bother me. I mean look how they have changed the AGES of people?? This is minor. I just don't think changing a little girls birthday and making it a few months different is a big deal.
I think it makes a big difference, for me at least. I'll accept SORASing because I feel that letting a child grow up on screen isn't really helpful for the show and that's why it's so rare. I think the only children that have actually grown up on screen are GH's Robin, DAYS' Carrie and OLTL's Starr. Everyone else was aged. Back to the point, I don't mind SORASing. Just keep the damn birthdays the same. Think about if a baby was born on Christmas Day. But years later, the show decided to change the birthday to June or something for the story. And then say something happened to that child, like they were in a coma or something and the show wanted to use a flashback to when the child was born. You're going to have fans wondering why there are Christmas decorations in the background if so and so's birthday was in June? It's just annoying!
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mirabella
Jul 1 2009, 09:18 PM
If the writers are not totally changing Ciara's birthdate, the reason they may be celebrating her birthday now maybe be that they want her to have a birthday that is not the day after Christmas. My son has a friend who was born on Christmas Eve. His parents have a birthday party on his half year birthday (June 24th) because they always felt like he was slighted because everyone is caught up in Christmas and Ben didn't have a real birthday because people would give him one present that would suffice for both Christmas and birthday. So, they have a big birthday party for him on his 1/2 birthday on June 24th. It made Ben feel special that he had 2 birthdays each year.

Okay. I highly doubt the show is even thinking about Ciara being slighted for presents because her bithday is the day after Christmas. LOL!
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dooldooldool
Jul 2 2009, 05:54 AM
Now there's a great explanation. Hmmm, but then again, in the past, they have often had Hope celebrating her Christmas Eve Birthday.
At least Hope's birthday is and has always been AROUND Christmas. I don't mind the writers saying it's a character's birthday on June 24, but the character was actually born on June 15. That's not too big of a stretch. But July and December? Please!
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DrewHamilton
Jul 2 2009, 01:03 PM
Angie79
Jul 1 2009, 09:13 PM
Changing the date of her birthday doesn't bother me. I mean look how they have changed the AGES of people?? This is minor. I just don't think changing a little girls birthday and making it a few months different is a big deal.
I think it makes a big difference, for me at least. I'll accept SORASing because I feel that letting a child grow up on screen isn't really helpful for the show and that's why it's so rare. I think the only children that have actually grown up on screen are GH's Robin, DAYS' Carrie and OLTL's Starr. Everyone else was aged. Back to the point, I don't mind SORASing. Just keep the damn birthdays the same. Think about if a baby was born on Christmas Day. But years later, the show decided to change the birthday to June or something for the story. And then say something happened to that child, like they were in a coma or something and the show wanted to use a flashback to when the child was born. You're going to have fans wondering why there are Christmas decorations in the background if so and so's birthday was in June? It's just annoying!
Well, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me. I don't care when they celebrate the birthdays of anyone on the show (most of them are not even mentioned anyway). I didn't even remember when Ciara was born until it was brought up here. We are talking about a child here who is hardly even seen. I just think some people are making a mountain out of a molehill. It is such a minor detail and doesn't compare to other stuff they have done.
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Angie79
Jul 2 2009, 01:26 PM
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Jul 2 2009, 01:03 PM
Angie79
Jul 1 2009, 09:13 PM
Changing the date of her birthday doesn't bother me. I mean look how they have changed the AGES of people?? This is minor. I just don't think changing a little girls birthday and making it a few months different is a big deal.
I think it makes a big difference, for me at least. I'll accept SORASing because I feel that letting a child grow up on screen isn't really helpful for the show and that's why it's so rare. I think the only children that have actually grown up on screen are GH's Robin, DAYS' Carrie and OLTL's Starr. Everyone else was aged. Back to the point, I don't mind SORASing. Just keep the damn birthdays the same. Think about if a baby was born on Christmas Day. But years later, the show decided to change the birthday to June or something for the story. And then say something happened to that child, like they were in a coma or something and the show wanted to use a flashback to when the child was born. You're going to have fans wondering why there are Christmas decorations in the background if so and so's birthday was in June? It's just annoying!
Well, that kind of stuff doesn't bother me. I don't care when they celebrate the birthdays of anyone on the show (most of them are not even mentioned anyway). I didn't even remember when Ciara was born until it was brought up here. We are talking about a child here who is hardly even seen. I just think some people are making a mountain out of a molehill. It is such a minor detail and doesn't compare to other stuff they have done.
I agree. It's not a huge deal. I mean, for me, it would be a tad annoying if they changed it or if they just celebrated without really mentioning why they are doing it now but it's not going to hurt my enjoyment. I recognize the show has done this in the past but who cares? I find the horrible timelines and extreme SORASing more insulting then changing a birthday that many fans have a hard time remembering in the first place LOL. I just don't see how one can be ok with the extreme SORASING but be annoyed as hell about a possible birthdate change that won't even affect the character down the road, unlike SORASING which drastically changes the character and is a hell of alot more obvious then a birthdate change. Eventually, you can forget that and move on. When you SORAS someone in an extreme manner, that can't be changed. There is no going back and it's hard to forget that when you have to see it day after day and be constantly reminded of it. Sure, you can always de-age someone but you can never go back far enough to replicate the mistake.

I would prefer it be something like they just felt like having it now. Bo did just fall at Christmas and there was alot going on that time pertaining to Bo working an awful lot. Plus, Zack died around Christmas and they were remembering that. They can easily just say that while they did celebrate Ciara's birthday, they feel like they should give her a big party with her little friends, especially now that it's the summer and they can do more with it then just sit around inside like they would in winter. That makes sense to me. I've heard of many parents celebrating a child's birthday but giving them a big party later down the road. Some do it because their kid wants a pool party and not some indoor party. There are people who celebrate Christmas in July or at other times of year because that is the only time they can have a big celebration for whatever reason. It does happen and it's not just some dumb writer's trick. Not saying the writers will go this route but I'm saying they can and that it will make sense, whether some agree or not.

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Jul 2 2009, 01:43 PM
I agree. It's not a huge deal. I mean, for me, it would be a tad annoying if they changed it or if they just celebrated without really mentioning why they are doing it now but it's not going to hurt my enjoyment. I recognize the show has done this in the past but who cares? I find the horrible timelines and extreme SORASing more insulting then changing a birthday that many fans have a hard time remembering in the first place LOL. I just don't see how one can be ok with the extreme SORASING but be annoyed as hell about a possible birthdate change that won't even affect the character down the road, unlike SORASING which drastically changes the character and is a hell of alot more obvious then a birthdate change. Eventually, you can forget that and move on. When you SORAS someone in an extreme manner, that can't be changed. There is no going back and it's hard to forget that when you have to see it day after day and be constantly reminded of it. Sure, you can always de-age someone but you can never go back far enough to replicate the mistake.

I would prefer it be something like they just felt like having it now. Bo did just fall at Christmas and there was alot going on that time pertaining to Bo working an awful lot. Plus, Zack died around Christmas and they were remembering that. They can easily just say that while they did celebrate Ciara's birthday, they feel like they should give her a big party with her little friends, especially now that it's the summer and they can do more with it then just sit around inside like they would in winter. That makes sense to me. I've heard of many parents celebrating a child's birthday but giving them a big party later down the road. Some do it because their kid wants a pool party and not some indoor party. There are people who celebrate Christmas in July or at other times of year because that is the only time they can have a big celebration for whatever reason. It does happen and it's not just some dumb writer's trick. Not saying the writers will go this route but I'm saying they can and that it will make sense, whether some agree or not.
Um, I care actually. I care a lot. It's annoying to me.

And I disagree with your entire post. Soaps SORAS children because they need to come up with new story. It's been done since the beginning of the soap opera genre. Soaps aren't the only shows that do this. All television shows SORAS children at one point or another. There are a variety of reasons why. Babies are difficult to work with. Small children are too. Some children's parents don't want them exposed to certain stories because they feel they are too young to be dealing with those issues. And that's why the shows decide to age the character and go for an older actor or actress so they can touch upon those issues. That's why SORASing takes into effect. SORASing makes sense to do.

But changing a birthday? That just seems so lazy and stupid and pointless. Why? The only reason these writers are changing Ciara's birthday is because they're too lazy to come up with another excuse to bring children together. And I don't understand why. It just seems lazy to me.

And I understand that I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this than originally, but I'm only continuing this to further explain my case. My post is being made as "making a mountain out of a molehill" and that's not what I'm doing. I'm just expressing my distate for this decision. I'm not an obsessed angry fan who wants to come down on the show for everything little thing it does. I'm not that poster. When I enjoy what the show is giving, I express it. But when I hate what the show is giving, I'm not going to put on rose colored glasses and try to see the better things. Fuck that!

I'm annoyed and pissed right now with this decision to change Ciara's birthday and hell yes I'm going to express it. Sue me.

And yes, Bo fell around Christmas and yes they were thinking about Zack. I understand that. But then just mention that the day is also Ciara's birthday. No one needs some huge birthday party or something. Just a little mention would be satisfying for me. And you keep syaing they could easily say that they're celebrating Ciara's birthday now and so on, but will they? PROBABLY NOT! You're talking about lazy writers here. They could do a lot of little things, but they never do. They're not going to have Bo and Hope decide to celebrate Ciara's birthday in the summer because of her having a winter birthday. They're not going to do that. And you know this. You can't be that blind to believe otherwise. That would take too much thought for these writers. They are changing Ciara's birthday from December to July, point blank. Peridod. That's all there is to it.

And the whole Christmas in July reference is bullshit. Sorry. It just is. I'm not accepting that as any excuse for what the writers are doing. Just not.
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You guys are cracking me up. With all the problems in the show, we're gonna spend several pages on them getting Ciara's birthday wrong, when in reality, they chose to make Bo the father and the only way that worked was for Hope to be pregnant for 11 months. The show screws with timelines all the time and though it's annoying and would only take 5 minutes of their time to come up with another plausible explanation (like DrewHamilton said, a pool party would have worked) they chose to go lazy on it.

Given the show has so much potential to take stories that could be really interesting (Nick's mental state, the family history to Philip/Stephanie, Daniel falling for every patient), they go the fast food way which results in a lame payoff but allows for them segway into the next lazy ass story. Then you take the changing of characters themselves to fit a story, like Philip's changing to make him suddenly seem interested in Stephanie and especially Melanie plausible, or changing Chelsea last year to be a completely different character to catch the eye of a surfing doctor. Changing dates seems minor in comparision.
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Mason


It is minor, but nevertheless, it's still annoying.
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LOL, listen, I understand that it probably comes off as me making something minor into something major. I get that. And the only reason I'm still talking about it is to explain why I said something in the first place. My original post was made to be me just complaining over something minor. And I just want it to be known that I'm annoyed by that.

And to tell you the truth, I'm actually enjoying the show more than not enjoying. But because I'm enjoying the show again doesn't mean I'm not going to complain about stuff that pisses me off because I will.
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Jul 2 2009, 03:02 PM
LOL, listen, I understand that it probably comes off as me making something minor into something major. I get that. And the only reason I'm still talking about it is to explain why I said something in the first place. My original post was made to be me just complaining over something minor. And I just want it to be known that I'm annoyed by that.

And to tell you the truth, I'm actually enjoying the show more than not enjoying. But because I'm enjoying the show again doesn't mean I'm not going to complain about stuff that pisses me off because I will.
I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't complain about it. I just think it's funny we have so many pages dedicated to THIS PARTICULAR TIDBIT that might be a throw away line in the episode "I hope Ciara enjoys her party" when instead we have confusing character motivations (when we get those at all), character's getting thrown under the bus to push the story, and promises on how DB is leaving, yet he's still here.

And I think you guys are forgetting that Corday himself said "that was then, this is now" which I think applies to all timelines. Ciara being born in December was then, this is now and Dena says her birthday is in July. Case closed. And here's your t shirt.

Edited by Tripp, Jul 2 2009, 03:12 PM.
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