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SOW: Rafe's Ex-Love; July 14th issue; Article Summary
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Jul 12 2009, 09:32 AM
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I think Sami does love Rafe and I do think Emily will be a problem. Seems ot me like Rafe still loves Emily so this could be interesting. Watching Sami fight for a man like she used to but only this time in mature way hopefully.
Sami has been in enough relationships throughout her life to know what is love and what isn't and what she does and does not feel. This is woman who has loved Lucas most of her life so she knows what love is. Rafe has said that Emily was the love of his life and seems to have taken years to move on to Sami so they both know what it is to love. Sami and Rafe check in with each other about their feelings alot which is a refreshing change for a Sami related romance, if not a first? Like it or not Sami has chosen who she wants to be with and it is not EJ. Sami has already been married to EJ so there is nothing new for her to explore there. Sami is not being written as conflicted about not being with EJ [well if she is Ali is not playing her that way at the moment]. And based on the way poor Nicole has be be saying be careful, EJ is angry etc - why Sami would even think of becoming romantically involved with him again is beyond me. Lucas is a man Sami has also loved and trusted, and obviously still does, although they are not doing a romantic dynamic right now. When Sami says to EJ 'I love you EJ, I love you so much.' let's discuss! EJ can dream and obessess all he wants but that's just him being his crazy self - we do not see Sami doing that at all - she is totally focussed on Rafe and her kids now, and Lucas is also welcome in her life. EJ is just the volatile sperm doner [who barges into her house like he owns the place - what's up with that anyway?] right now that she has to be nice to him on Nicole's advice so as to stop him keeping Johnny from her - So even if we see Sami being nice to EJ anytime soon it's because she is heeding Nicole's warning. :peek: :run: :jedi: :scared: i thought I would put up some icons is readiness for the attacks to this post that should come any time now 5..4..3..2..1 :lol: :lol: :lol: Excellent post. I haven't seen any indication either that Sami loves EJ or even that Sami is conflicted about her feelings for him or Rafe. She admits to herself, Rafe, and everyone else that she loves Rafe and wants him with her all the time; hence, her asking him to move in with her. As you said, we have not seen Sami have dreams or even think about EJ now. Her thoughts are all about Rafe and her children now. :wub: :wub: :wub:
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Jul 12 2009, 09:41 AM
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I think Sami does love Rafe and I do think Emily will be a problem. Seems ot me like Rafe still loves Emily so this could be interesting. Watching Sami fight for a man like she used to but only this time in mature way hopefully. I hate to be so negative but I can't see Sami fighting for any man in a mature way. It always leads to lies with her. Now that EJ is not happy about her and Rafe moving in together, I think she will undergo some lies and schemes to get her away.
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Jul 12 2009, 12:28 PM
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I think Sami does love Rafe and I do think Emily will be a problem. Seems ot me like Rafe still loves Emily so this could be interesting. Watching Sami fight for a man like she used to but only this time in mature way hopefully.
I hate to be so negative but I can't see Sami fighting for any man in a mature way. It always leads to lies with her. Now that EJ is not happy about her and Rafe moving in together, I think she will undergo some lies and schemes to get her away. agreed. Given Rafe's recent outburst about not like Sami's 'old' ways I imagine it will create a rift in that relationship.
I'll also disagree that Sami is looking out for her children right now. She appears to be more interested in Rafe's dead Emily or a friendly afternoon shower than with her custody suit or with Will and his attitude or Ali who?
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Jul 12 2009, 12:48 PM
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Sami has been in enough relationships throughout her life to know what is love and what isn't and what she does and does not feel. This is woman who has loved Lucas most of her life so she knows what love is. Rafe has said that Emily was the love of his life and seems to have taken years to move on to Sami so they both know what it is to love.
I'm only going to comment on only this part of your post. Sami said Austin was "the man of her dreams, and she never felt that way before", Brandon "made her feel like a heroine in romance books, and she never felt that way before", Lucas was "the love of her life, and she wants to prove it to him", and now, after trying to stop EJ's wedding and picturing taking Nicole's place in his life, she tells Rafe that she "loves him and never felt that way before". So, the only man she still didn't say that to is EJ, and my guess is that in James' words, "the best is still to come". :jedi: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Jul 12 2009, 01:28 PM
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Sami has been in enough relationships throughout her life to know what is love and what isn't and what she does and does not feel. This is woman who has loved Lucas most of her life so she knows what love is. Rafe has said that Emily was the love of his life and seems to have taken years to move on to Sami so they both know what it is to love.
I'm only going to comment on only this part of your post. Sami said Austin was "the man of her dreams, and she never felt that way before", Brandon "made her feel like a heroine in romance books, and she never felt that way before", Lucas was "the love of her life, and she wants to prove it to him", and now, after trying to stop EJ's wedding and picturing taking Nicole's place in his life, she tells Rafe that she "loves him and never felt that way before". So, the only man she still didn't say that to is EJ, and my guess is that in James' words, "the best is still to come". :jedi: :lol: :lol: :lol: Ah yes I forgot that :wow: ..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: But until then....go Safe! :jedi: :jedi: :jedi:
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Jul 12 2009, 01:34 PM
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Sami has been in enough relationships throughout her life to know what is love and what isn't and what she does and does not feel. This is woman who has loved Lucas most of her life so she knows what love is. Rafe has said that Emily was the love of his life and seems to have taken years to move on to Sami so they both know what it is to love.
I'm only going to comment on only this part of your post. Sami said Austin was "the man of her dreams, and she never felt that way before", Brandon "made her feel like a heroine in romance books, and she never felt that way before", Lucas was "the love of her life, and she wants to prove it to him", and now, after trying to stop EJ's wedding and picturing taking Nicole's place in his life, she tells Rafe that she "loves him and never felt that way before". So, the only man she still didn't say that to is EJ, and my guess is that in James' words, "the best is still to come". :jedi: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ah yes I forgot that :wow: ..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: But until then....go Safe! :jedi: :jedi: :jedi: Ugh! Safe hardly qualifies for "the best"... You can only look at eye candy for so long, and then you get tired of it. We're tired already. -_- Wake us up when it's over.
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Jul 12 2009, 03:00 PM
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Ugh! Safe hardly qualifies for "the best"... You can only look at eye candy for so long, and then you get tired of it. We're tired already. -_- Wake us up when it's over. EJ needs to be measured up for an orange jump suit to pay for all of his evil crimes before they consider putting him with a woman with a teenage son and toddlers...Sami and Rafe are not just eye candy to me. They are a real couple in a real romance. They have mutual feelings and everything - it's great. :laugh: You'll have to wake yourself up when it's over because I think you'll have a bit of a wait...it's still a little too soon after the hit on Philip, kidnapping of Stephanie and beating of Brady, and trying to take Johnny etc for Sami to be thinking romance with anyone but Rafe. By the way they're moving in together next week and the scenes are adorable when she asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good man and Rafe will do nicely. :wub:
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Jul 12 2009, 03:03 PM
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Ugh! Safe hardly qualifies for "the best"... You can only look at eye candy for so long, and then you get tired of it. We're tired already. -_- Wake us up when it's over.
EJ needs to be measured up for an orange jump suit to pay for all of his evil crimes before they consider putting him with a woman with a teenage son and toddlers...Sami and Rafe are not just eye candy to me. They are a real couple in a real romance. They have mutual feelings and everything - it's great. :laugh: You'll have to wake yourself up when it's over because I think you'll have a bit of a wait...it's still a little too soon after the hit on Philip, kidnapping of Stephanie and beating of Brady, and trying to take Johnny etc for Sami to be thinking romance with anyone but Rafe. By the way they're moving in together next week and the scenes are adorable when she asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good man and Rafe will do nicely. :wub: Glad you enjoy them, but you won't find much support for Safe here.... It's not NBC. :biggrin:
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Jul 12 2009, 03:04 PM
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Ugh! Safe hardly qualifies for "the best"... You can only look at eye candy for so long, and then you get tired of it. We're tired already. -_- Wake us up when it's over.
EJ needs to be measured up for an orange jump suit to pay for all of his evil crimes before they consider putting him with a woman with a teenage son and toddlers...Sami and Rafe are not just eye candy to me. They are a real couple in a real romance. They have mutual feelings and everything - it's great. :laugh: You'll have to wake yourself up when it's over because I think you'll have a bit of a wait...it's still a little too soon after the hit on Philip, kidnapping of Stephanie and beating of Brady, and trying to take Johnny etc for Sami to be thinking romance with anyone but Rafe. By the way they're moving in together next week and the scenes are adorable when she asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good man and Rafe will do nicely. :wub: The sooner Sami asks Rafe to marry her the better. Not only can I ff all of the saccharin sweetness but it will mean that the pairing will be doomed soon thereafter.
Go Safe! :rockon:
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Jul 12 2009, 03:37 PM
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EJ needs to be measured up for an orange jump suit to pay for all of his evil crimes before they consider putting him with a woman with a teenage son and toddlers...Sami and Rafe are not just eye candy to me. They are a real couple in a real romance. They have mutual feelings and everything - it's great. :laugh: You'll have to wake yourself up when it's over because I think you'll have a bit of a wait...it's still a little too soon after the hit on Philip, kidnapping of Stephanie and beating of Brady, and trying to take Johnny etc for Sami to be thinking romance with anyone but Rafe. By the way they're moving in together next week and the scenes are adorable when she asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good man and Rafe will do nicely. :wub:
Glad you enjoy them, but you won't find much support for Safe here.... It's not NBC. :biggrin: I don't think any of us SAFE fans are here to find support for our couple. We know there isn't much of that here but I think there are more SAFE fans here than you think. I know there are some who don't want to post because of posts like this one which make us feel very unwelcome but I suppose that was the reason for your comment in the first place. To each his/her own. I cannot make anyone else like SAFE but I am certainly not going to try to put others down for liking a character or couple that I don't like.
Sami and Rafe are a couple right now and we can enjoy them and post about that enjoyment, as far as I understand. Are you saying that we should just leave or that this has become an Ejami board? I thought this board was open to posters who like any characters or couples on any soaps. So, I and the rest of the SAFE fans here and at other boards will continue to enjoy Sami and Rafe as a couple for as long as the writers see fit to write them in a real, old fashioned, loving, romantic way that befits a couple in love. Thanks.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep she asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good man and Rafe will do nicely. :wub:
Glad you enjoy them, but you won't find much support for Safe here.... It's not NBC. :biggrin:
I don't think any of us SAFE fans are here to find support for our couple. We know there isn't much of that here but I think there are more SAFE fans here than you think. I know there are some who don't want to post because of posts like this one which make us feel very unwelcome but I suppose that was the reason for your comment in the first place. To each his/her own. I cannot make anyone else like SAFE but I am certainly not going to try to put others down for liking a character or couple that I don't like. Sami and Rafe are a couple right now and we can enjoy them and post about that enjoyment, as far as I understand. Are you saying that we should just leave or that this has become an Ejami board? I thought this board was open to posters who like any characters or couples on any soaps. So, I and the rest of the SAFE fans here and at other boards will continue to enjoy Sami and Rafe as a couple for as long as the writers see fit to write them in a real, old fashioned, loving, romantic way that befits a couple in love. Thanks. I think I said you can enjoy them if you like them? This is an open board, and not biased, which is why I enjoy it so. I know what you mean about "unfriendly" boards. You know, the ones where a particular fanbase conspires on how to get rid of Ejami fans and the mods turn a blind eye? You know what I mean.... :wink: And I know what you mean about posting too. A lot of us have stopped posting there. I'm more stubborn, but then again, you know that too.
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Jul 12 2009, 04:37 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good
I don't think any of us SAFE fans are here to find support for our couple. We know there isn't much of that here but I think there are more SAFE fans here than you think. I know there are some who don't want to post because of posts like this one which make us feel very unwelcome but I suppose that was the reason for your comment in the first place. To each his/her own. I cannot make anyone else like SAFE but I am certainly not going to try to put others down for liking a character or couple that I don't like. Sami and Rafe are a couple right now and we can enjoy them and post about that enjoyment, as far as I understand. Are you saying that we should just leave or that this has become an Ejami board? I thought this board was open to posters who like any characters or couples on any soaps. So, I and the rest of the SAFE fans here and at other boards will continue to enjoy Sami and Rafe as a couple for as long as the writers see fit to write them in a real, old fashioned, loving, romantic way that befits a couple in love. Thanks.
I think I said you can enjoy them if you like them? This is an open board, and not biased, which is why I enjoy it so. I know what you mean about "unfriendly" boards. You know, the ones where a particular fanbase conspires on how to get rid of Ejami fans and the mods turn a blind eye? You know what I mean.... :wink: And I know what you mean about posting too. A lot of us have stopped posting there. I'm more stubborn, but then again, you know that too. Actually, I do not know what board you are talking about because I only post here and at NBC. I know NBC is very general and the mods have created sub-forums for each of the fanbases so there is no need to conspire to have anyone kicked off there. The only other Days board that I can think of ever posting at is the Sony board and I doubt that I have even 10 posts there and haven't been there in months. Sorry, I guess I am dense because I have no idea what you are talking about at all.
Thanks, I will enjoy Safe as long as they last.
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Jul 12 2009, 04:48 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good
I think I said you can enjoy them if you like them? This is an open board, and not biased, which is why I enjoy it so. I know what you mean about "unfriendly" boards. You know, the ones where a particular fanbase conspires on how to get rid of Ejami fans and the mods turn a blind eye? You know what I mean.... :wink: And I know what you mean about posting too. A lot of us have stopped posting there. I'm more stubborn, but then again, you know that too.
Actually, I do not know what board you are talking about because I only post here and at NBC. I know NBC is very general and the mods have created sub-forums for each of the fanbases so there is no need to conspire to have anyone kicked off there. The only other Days board that I can think of ever posting at is the Sony board and I doubt that I have even 10 posts there and haven't been there in months. Sorry, I guess I am dense because I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Thanks, I will enjoy Safe as long as they last. Well, it's not Sony, and it's not DR. And the only board left is "general" in name only.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepshe asks him to move in just like the scenes are pathetic when EJ barges in. I am enjoying the show and I never watched Passions but I've always been rooting for Sami to find a good
Actually, I do not know what board you are talking about because I only post here and at NBC. I know NBC is very general and the mods have created sub-forums for each of the fanbases so there is no need to conspire to have anyone kicked off there. The only other Days board that I can think of ever posting at is the Sony board and I doubt that I have even 10 posts there and haven't been there in months. Sorry, I guess I am dense because I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Thanks, I will enjoy Safe as long as they last.
Well, it's not Sony, and it's not DR. And the only board left is "general" in name only. I didn't know that the NBC board had mods who look the other way and I don't know anyone who has conspired to get anyone kicked off the board. I mostly post in the SAFE forum but it sure looks like there are a lot of Ejami fans posting there but I don't have that much of a sense of who else posts since I don't post on the main board unless there is a question that regards SAFE or Rafe, Sami. Also, I posted on the NBC Passions board before but never on the Days board until sometime in March but very infrequently until I got out of school in May. I post more often now but not nearly as much as many posters so I don't know how many Ejami fans there were before or are now. Sorry.
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^Who would do such an awful thing? :tounge:
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back when i was posting on nbc a couple of years ago, they had some lumi mods that were honestly very unfair to the ejami fans. the ejamis have sony now, though, so it all evens out.
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I don't know how anyone can "claim to know" anything about a particular couple's popularity unless they are officially affiliated with the show.
if you're a member of several soap boards, it's easy to make a judgement about the couple's online popularity. of course, this isn't necessarily representative of the general audience, but i have to agree with others that say a lot of the 'safe' buzz is purely due to promotion. if you check polls on boards like SC, NBC, Sony, etc, 'safe' does not appear to be very popular at all. "Safe" have won SOD's HOTN for 6 weeks straight. Yes, it's prone to serious manipulation but no more so than message board polls. Their fans also contribute the majority of posts on Ali's facebook page, which I imagine is a far better proxy for the general audience than dedicated soap boards (particularly rabid cesspools like NBC).
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i really don't have a dog in this fight, but i stand by what i said. if you poke around the three major days boards, the people supporting ejami far outnumber the ones that support safe or even lumi at this point(though it wasn't always that way). go into any thread about safe, and you'll usually see four or five dedicated safe fans defending their cause, and a hell of a lot more ejami fans in there arguing with them. at least that has been my experience. perhaps the ejami fans are just more vocal in their hatred of rafe, but of the three general boards, it seems to me that rafe and sami get criticized more so than any other couple.
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go into any thread about safe, and you'll usually see four or five dedicated safe fans defending their cause, and a hell of a lot more ejami fans in there arguing with them. at least that has been my experience. perhaps the ejami fans are just more vocal in their hatred of rafe, but of the three general boards, it seems to me that rafe and sami get criticized more so than any other couple.
As was discussed upthread, though not specifically in terms of EJami v. Safe, some people just get tired of having to defend their couple all the time. I know I got tired of it with EJ and Nicole and I rarely discuss them on this board; that doesn't mean I don't still like them, it means that I don't believe that my posting every day "I love EJ and Nicole and here's why" is critical either to my life in general or to TPTB's decision-making process.
I simply do not believe that the boards matter very much to TPTB at all. Where is the evidence that TPTB is doing anything based on what they see on the boards? I doubt anyone could deny that John and Marlena and Steve and Kayla had/have large, dedicated fanbases who had a strong message board presence, and yet those couples are gone. Lucas and Chloe have almost literally no message board support, and yet they're still here, not broken up--though apparently they're cannon fodder, they could have been broken up many months ago and I suspect the overwhelming message board response would have been joy.
While I do not think message board postings matter very much to the decision-makers, it's clear to me a lot of posters believe that, and that informs, if I may use that word, their posting patterns and habits. I see the same people posting over and over every time there's a story or interview about the character or couple they love or hate and there's generally a pattern: so and so is boring, so and so don't love each other, so and so has magical chemistry, blah blah blah. I suspect those posters are banking on the notion that whichever bored intern is assigned to check out the buzz isn't going to notice or care that certain posters' styles are awfully similar to each other, or that it's the same handful of people posting the same thing over and over. And maybe they're right, but I think younger, entry-level folks, who are probably the ones reading the boards (I seriously doubt Bruce Evans or Gary Tomlin read the boards), are sophisticated enough to see that what may at first blush seem like an overwhelming majority for/against any couple often amounts to nothing more than a small band of posters ganging up to create the illusion of overwhelming strength. We all know people do that--fanbases pm each other and post threads on their shipper boards to go post in certain threads.
Safe fans may be writing letters, calling, sending campaign gifts, filling out the NBC surveys, and doing all kinds of other things that show support of their couple. They may have decided not to bother with getting attacked and having to constantly justify Rafe not being a boring pedophile creep or whatever all else he gets called.
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Jul 13 2009, 09:48 AM
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- Jul 13 2009, 09:07 AM
i really don't have a dog in this fight, but i stand by what i said. if you poke around the three major days boards, the people supporting ejami far outnumber the ones that support safe or even lumi at this point(though it wasn't always that way). go into any thread about safe, and you'll usually see four or five dedicated safe fans defending their cause, and a hell of a lot more ejami fans in there arguing with them. at least that has been my experience. perhaps the ejami fans are just more vocal in their hatred of rafe, but of the three general boards, it seems to me that rafe and sami get criticized more so than any other couple.
I'm not disputing your observation of those boards. I'm disputing that these are any more valid as a source of (general) viewer opinion than the other two examples. I'm not familiar with Soap Central but NBC and Sony are notoriously toxic places to post. Consequently, they will tend to attract the small minority of viewers who live and breathe their couples, not a broad cross-section of the 3 million who watch the show. I've found Safe fans to be- on the whole- pretty relaxed and easy going so it's not surprising that they don't frequent these forums.
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