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| SOW: Rafe's Ex-Love; July 14th issue; Article Summary | |
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| daisy132 | Jul 19 2009, 11:41 AM Post #161 |
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Mesagirl, I really like you as a fellow poster. You are a great animal lover, and seem to be a really nice person. That said, the RINR is really old. TPTB are probably as tired of it as most of us are. I'm sure that if Ejami got together it would come out again, after all, the rape comments come out right on schedule with any "threatening" Ejami scenes aired. I do understand the issue is sensitive, especially if one's personal life is affected, but there are actual rape victims that belong to the Ejami fanbase as well, or Ejami fans that have been indirectly affected by it. I think that most of us are able to differentiate between real life and fiction, and would like the opportunity to enjoy our couple just like any other viewer. I firmly believe that TPTB know this, and tha'ts why they have taken the steps to put the matter to rest. Sami forgiving EJ was enough, most of us were greatful for their efforts and went on from there. TPTB can't worry about those who can't, as there will always be some. Edited by daisy132, Jul 19 2009, 01:53 PM.
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| six | Jul 19 2009, 01:32 PM Post #162 |
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I like voting in things and usually participate in polls that only require clicking a button (so no voting in that soap Adonis thing where you have to fill out a form, for me). That said, I don't put any real stock in that, or what other people foresee or don't foresee happening in the future. The gulf between the story directions that people saw coming that actually happened and the things that we missed, or got wrong is huge. Soaps being what they are, I'm not totally writing off any couple for good, unless one half of said couple leaves town. The rinr pushers never thought Sydney would exist, and the ejamis who loved the way Nicole was pushing Sami toward EJ never saw the ejole pregnancy coming a few weeks later. Something will happen to safe too (and not a minute too soon ;) ). No one is immune from the geometric virus spreading through Salem. With the state of DOOL today, no new couple will get the sort of "happily ever after" that the older couples got unless they have it off screen, unless something drastic changes, anyway. The show won't make it that long. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 19 2009, 01:34 PM Post #163 |
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What does "RINR" stand for? |
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| six | Jul 19 2009, 01:37 PM Post #164 |
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rape is not romance. An anti ejami campaign. They sent pictures in to the show showing Sami crying in the car, and also made banners of the same scene to use on boards for awhile. Obviously, their complaints weren't heeded.
Edited by six, Jul 19 2009, 01:39 PM.
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| mesagirl | Jul 19 2009, 02:32 PM Post #165 |
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Thanks Daisy. I like you as a poster as well. I don't know that I would call the RINR campaign old necessarily. I barely see it in banners anymore, nor mentioned on the boards except for the occasional post or so, at least on the boards I frequent anyway. If the tptb are tired of it, I have no sympathy for them. They are they one's that painted EJami into this corner to begin with. I agree though, that if EJami is ever set up as a romantic pairing, the RINR campaign would be back up in full swing, and it will be in much larger numbers than before since we now have Safe fans in the mix. I'm don't know why tptb would ever want to go down that road again. I know I sure as hell don't. :tounge: Miou07 - nice post. You have a lot of good points in it. I agree with you in that Lumi, Safe, EJole, EJami - none of them have the same charm or "super couple" aura surrounding them that the couples of the old Days have had. Jack and Jennifer are still my favorite couple of all time. I really miss the Days from the 80's and 90's (for the most part anyway). I guess it's true... all good things must come to an end. |
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| daisy132 | Jul 19 2009, 02:45 PM Post #166 |
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It won't matter if Safe fans join the campaign. First of all, they are mostly Lumi and Passions fans, but that's not the point. The point is that RINR is recognized for what it is: a campaign against Ejami, and using an already resolved storyline against it. It has lost its effect, if it even had one. It hasn't swayed any Ejami fans from supporting their couple, and not only that, but it's gathering new fans. It hasn't worked for Luke and Laura on GH in its time - and that was undisputed rape, and I doubt it will work here. Women watch soaps for excitement and out of ordinary couples. Ejami is one of those couples. Its only rival IMO is Lumi because of its history and shared children, but they aren't writing anything for them at the moment. Edited by daisy132, Jul 19 2009, 02:56 PM.
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| Nicole Walker | Jul 19 2009, 03:28 PM Post #167 |
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This reminds me of Todd and Marty OLTL. When TPTB tried to put them together all hell broke lose. LOL! I like how they realistically they are portraying Todd and Marty right now which is exactly where the writers dropped the ball with Ejami they are more believable as enemies not as lovers . Anyways, the show is doing fine as it is. Not putting Ejami together has not hurt the show as much as some claimed it would which is a good sign at least for me.
Edited by Nicole Walker, Jul 19 2009, 03:32 PM.
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| SocRMum1 | Jul 19 2009, 04:57 PM Post #168 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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I don't watch OLTL so I can't comment on their story. However, I will say that I've enjoyed the recent scenes of EJ and Sami at odds with one another because I think the chemistry between the actors is intoxicating - pretty much no matter what they are doing. As far as the RINR campaign, from where I sit it seemed to be a clear failure the first time out. I can't imagine why anyone would bring it up again...and certainly not 'in full force'. The storyline it referred to was resolved on screen by the characters involved and they went on to have a consensual relationship which produced a new baby. Their story has never stopped being told - although I certainly haven't been happy with the direction it's taken the past many months. Nevertheless, I've never doubted that the road eventually leads them back together - the existence of Sydney is proof of that, at least to me. I think their current relationships will end (EJoles once all of Nicole's lies come to light; Safe will disintegrate with the reveal that Sami's baby is still alive and living with EJ. Rafe's bond was with Grace...I don't see him getting a chance to have the same sort of bond with Sami's true daughter). I have to agree with Miou's comments that none of the pairings, including EJami, have produced the kind of results we saw from super couples in the past. But to be fair, EJami has never been given a real chance. Santeen was a story met with a lot of controversy - primarily the re-writing of the history of the show and basically using the vets as props. It was intended to be a short term story told in the past tense - there was no 'future' for Santeen. EJami, aside from the month or so leading up to the night that Sydney was conceived, have rarely had the opportunity to shine as a love story. The fact that they are still a viable couple is a testament to the actors and their chemistry because in the first couple of years TPTB have done little to encourage that strong, consistent support the pairing has had for three plus years. |
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| mesagirl | Jul 19 2009, 07:57 PM Post #169 |
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I agree with your thoughts about EJami. The writers did drop the ball on writing them realistically, until now anyway. I've never watched OLTL either doh heh, so I can't comment on that. As for the RINR campaign not being effective, how can anyone possibly know that? EJ and Sami are still not together. I find it hard to believe that the outcries against this pairing due to the rape did not go unheard. There's a reason there has never been a real coupling between these two, and I don't think it's just to torture their fanbase. :tounge: |
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| SocRMum1 | Jul 19 2009, 08:30 PM Post #170 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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I think it was ineffective because ultimately, that part of their storyline was resolved on screen. I didn't say it went unheard...and I apologize if that was the way my comments came across. I feel TPTB were well aware of the mistake they made with EJami even prior to that campaign, but no doubt it further drove home the point. But my take on the campaign was it was intended to convince TPTB to never have those two come together in a consensual romance and that's where I say it failed. Eventually they were paired - Sydney is the result of that. Neither of us can say with certainty at this point what is in their future - but I very much believe EJami will be reunited once the truth about Sydney's parentage is revealed and they will finally have a loving, romantic relationship. |
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| daisy132 | Jul 19 2009, 08:41 PM Post #171 |
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How did we get from the OT about Rafe's old love to Ejami and rape again? All I know regarding Ejami is that TPTB will give it to us at some point. My guess is that it will be towards the end of the show (it IS coming, if we're realistic about it - the current cast cannot support this show with all the vets gone), but it's coming. |
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| mesagirl | Jul 19 2009, 11:09 PM Post #172 |
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Ah see but I do not consider a one night stand, with the woman getting up and running after the actual man she loves (not the man she just boinked) to be a consensual romance. It was a consensual one night stand, but certainly not a romance, and the only reason that Sami slept with EJ in the first place is because Lucas had just told her it was over as he didn't want her to sacrifice her happiness while he was in jail. As Sami even told EJ regarding that night... sometimes sex is just sex. Sami was using EJ and unfortunately that turned in to her becoming pregnant. Neither Johnny nor Sydney were conceived from love... how sad. |
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| Tara | Jul 19 2009, 11:16 PM Post #173 |
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Sydney is in this storyline now only because AS wanted her pregnancy written in. |
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| SocRMum1 | Jul 20 2009, 07:54 AM Post #174 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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They could have just as easily killed of Sydney and created angsty drama for EJole. There would no longer be that tie between EJami and Safe could have gone on believing they were raising Sami (and EJ's) daughter. |
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| SocRMum1 | Jul 20 2009, 08:01 AM Post #175 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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I'm sure you see it that way. I don't. Neither do many, many others. I've always thought Sami loves EJ which is why she couldn't/wouldn't get him out of her orbit before, during and after her marriage to Lucas. It's why she told him she couldn't imagine her life without him and once she came home from WP told him that a part of her will always love him. And like it or not, the writers have taken pains to retcon their relationship into having been something more than what we saw on screen. Many characters on canvas have spoken of their relationship and love, etc. - including both Sami and EJ. Believe me, as a long time EJami fan I would have much preferred to see it play out that way on screen - but I also believe they've gone to the trouble of retconning it in for a reason. So that when EJami are finally reunited their 'history' will have already been established. And despite how it ended, I will take that 'one night stand' over any other love scene I have ever seen played out on Daytime TV. A one night stand that lasted over three episodes...these days the 'happy' couples are lucky to get more than a part of a segment and then we're watching 'afterglow'. :tounge: |
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| six | Jul 20 2009, 12:10 PM Post #176 |
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Exactly, or let Sami deliver a stillborn child ejole either raise Grace or their real child. Clearly the show has no issue having an actress play grieving mother to a child the same age as her own. Or introduced some doubt that Sydney was EJ's, by having lumi make up earlier in the game, and not giving Sydney the Dimera birthmark. I could be wrong, but in my opinion, there's a reason that of the three pregnancies that we started out with, the only resulting living child left is the one who is definitely ejami's. If they do pull some sort of switch though, and change Sydney's parentage, I know that everyone who disliked EJ and Will becoming close will be up in arms, since it's definitely not right to change the history we saw unfold on screen. :tounge: Edited by six, Jul 20 2009, 12:17 PM.
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| Tara | Jul 20 2009, 11:32 PM Post #177 |
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No one is allow to have babies on this show but Sami. |
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| SocRMum1 | Jul 21 2009, 09:27 AM Post #178 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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That's not true. Hope and Bo had Ciara a couple of years ago. Payla had baby Joe. Belle and Shawn had Claire. All of those babies are alive and well. Soras'd - but alive and well. :haha: |
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| Nicole Walker | Jul 21 2009, 12:51 PM Post #179 |
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Sami is the new breeder of Salem. I still would love for Sydney to turn out to be Nicole's child. |
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| SocRMum1 | Jul 21 2009, 01:48 PM Post #180 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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Hmmm...I don't see any scenario where that would happen. Thank God. If Nicole's baby is alive...which I sincerely doubt...I don't think it is Sydney. And even if it were, it wouldn't change the fact that she still set out to steal Sami's baby and pass her off as her own. She's cooked her goose no matter how you look at it, IMO. |
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