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SOD and SOW: Philip and Melanie kiss!; July 28th issues; Summary of Articles
Topic Started: Jul 15 2009, 11:21 AM (4,590 Views)
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Yay. I LOVE Melanie and Philip together. These two honestly actually have terrific chemistry. I see zero chemistry with Melanie/Nathan and Stephanie/Philip. Both of those pairings are boring to me.

I think there is something extra special with the Jay/Molly chemistry as Philip/Melanie. And come on, does Jay honestly look old? Nope, not at all. The guy looks younger than a ton of 20-something younger adults!

10 years is not that big of an age difference.

When Jack/Jennifer started dating, there was like an 8 years age difference. I think she was like 21, and Jack was close to 30. And they were a supercouple.

I also think there is like a 9 year age difference with Bo and Hope as well.
Edited by soapfan0, Jul 17 2009, 12:52 AM.
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Jul 16 2009, 06:08 PM
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Jul 16 2009, 01:15 PM
not the same how?
What you proposed was a plot device to introduce a new story. What I was talking about was having characters that logically shouldn't be friends or interacting on a regular basis doing just that.
Exactly. I don't think they should mix personal with business anyway. All it does is hurt the story. I know a lot of fans love if they hear their favorite onscreen couple are dating in real life but honestly I can't stand it. Usually because when you break up, the last thing you want to do is spend time with your ex, even under the best of circumstances. Look at Milo and Hayden on Heroes. They had great chemistry on the show (hilarious it's an uncle/niece relationship given what we have had on Days) and I really enjoyed their interaction. Then they date in RL, and eventually break up, and teh writers are forced to keep the characters apart because they no longer get along. Of course if I was HW I would tell the actors to shove it, but apparently even if they do, it still produces a change in the dynamic happening on screen.

So I don't care if Molly Burnett has been adopted by Dena and Kenny (which maybe she has, given their love for her), it shouldn't push her into other storylines she has no business being in or if she's great friends with Eric & Jay, doesn't mean her "teenaged" character should now interact with them on screen. If that's what is driving their stories, honestly that makes them even lazier then I thought.
I agree with the RL vs. fictional life dating thing. Thatīs when Steph/Phillip started to hang around together and I liked the chemistry I wasnīt at all happy when the rumours about Jay/JKJ dating in RL started swirling around. Nobody is ever happy for long on soaps and I just knew when the time for an inevitable breakup comes it will create all kinds of troubles. We still donīt know if the rumour is true or not (I know MB denied it but she wouldnīt cross her friends that way and she refused to say anything about any off screen relationships just a question before) but Iīm very glad itīs not limiting the writers and they are doing whatīs best for the story.

As for the age/class/socio-economic/whatever else differences I really donīt think they are important on soaps. Yes, character background shouldnīt be totally ignored but itīs just a background, at the end we still watch mainly for the chemistry between the actors. I really donīt care if the characters in RL wouldnīt have anything to say each other and probably never met. DAYS is not a real life. DAYS is a show where CEO and vice-CEO of multimilion company are regulary eating at the same spot local school teens do. Itīs a show where the crime-lord and police chief does meetings at the same restaurant, or at the same pier, itīs a miracle if anyone works a full shift (or works at all) and money is never problem at all unless itīs a part of the plot. In order to even enjoy the show we have to overlook dozens of nonsenses everyday and pretend they are acceptable, yet it suddenly becomes a problem when a student and CEO starts to date each other? I donīt see why. All I care is if I like the actors together, if they click, if they are able to make me smile and entertained and if thatīs the case I will readily overlook everything else.

So many DAYS couples of past existed only because there was some undeniable chemistry between actors and the writers ran with that. In fact, itīs one of the thing which makes soaps so amazing. The writers prepare this great story, make detail plans how their next big couple ends together, finally hire an actor to play the new loveinterest and whoa, few months later he still has the same awkward and forced interactions with his supposed lover, yet is at totally easy with a different character who is like the worse choice imaginable. There are writers who ignore that and just continue with whatever are their original plans. And there are the smart ones who notice, who are not afraid to threw all their plans away and just go with the chemistry because at the end thatīs the main reason why people watch.
Edited by jane1978, Jul 17 2009, 08:07 AM.
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Jul 17 2009, 08:02 AM
I agree with the RL vs. fictional life dating thing. Thatīs when Steph/Phillip started to hang around together and I liked the chemistry I wasnīt at all happy when the rumours about Jay/JKJ dating in RL started swirling around. Nobody is ever happy for long on soaps and I just knew when the time for an inevitable breakup comes it will create all kinds of troubles. We still donīt know if the rumour is true or not (I know MB denied it but she wouldnīt cross her friends that way and she refused to say anything about any off screen relationships just a question before) but Iīm very glad itīs not limiting the writers and they are doing whatīs best for the story.

As for the age/class/socio-economic/whatever else differences I really donīt think they are important on soaps. Yes, character background shouldnīt be totally ignored but itīs just a background, at the end we still watch mainly for the chemistry between the actors. I really donīt care if the characters in RL wouldnīt have anything to say each other and probably never met. DAYS is not a real life. DAYS is a show where CEO and vice-CEO of multimilion company are regulary eating at the same spot local school teens do. Itīs a show where the crime-lord and police chief does meetings at the same restaurant, or at the same pier, itīs a miracle if anyone works a full shift (or works at all) and money is never problem at all unless itīs a part of the plot. In order to even enjoy the show we have to overlook dozens of nonsenses everyday and pretend they are acceptable, yet it suddenly becomes a problem when a student and CEO starts to date each other? I donīt see why. All I care is if I like the actors together, if they click, if they are able to make me smile and entertained and if thatīs the case I will readily overlook everything else.

So many DAYS couples of past existed only because there was some undeniable chemistry between actors and the writers ran with that. In fact, itīs one of the thing which makes soaps so amazing. The writers prepare this great story, make detail plans how their next big couple ends together, finally hire an actor to play the new loveinterest and whoa, few months later he still has the same awkward and forced interactions with his supposed lover, yet is at totally easy with a different character who is like the worse choice imaginable. There are writers who ignore that and just continue with whatever are their original plans. And there are the smart ones who notice, who are not afraid to threw all their plans away and just go with the chemistry because at the end thatīs the main reason why people watch.
I have to agree, I don't care for actors dating themselves either. It just proves how self absorbed they are. (sorry, couldn't resist).

As for differences on soaps not being important, I have to disagree. Chemistry is great, don't get me wrong, but there needs to be more then just chemistry. Remember back when JP was on and how much chemistry she had with JKJ? Now, a lot of us at TWoP used to kid we wished there was a way to retcon their sibling relation so they could get together but we weren't serious. IMO they had phenomenal chemistry (and it wasn't the sibling kind) but I don't care how much chemistry they had, no writing in the world could have changed that. Same goes for his chemistry with RM which was obviously there too.

As for Days having CEOs eating in the same spots local school teens do, well that's due to budget and I can live with that. But it's having them eating TOGETHER unless they are related where I draw the line. And just because soaps say it's ok for them to date does not mean I'll accept it anymore then me accepting Max dating his nieces. I would suggest to the soap if they are truly committed to the storyline then MAKE IT A STORYLINE. Ignoring the elephant in the room does not mean audiences would (Stax, Chex and Chan proved that).

And the couples of Days past might have wound up coming about because of special chemistry but even when it was accidental, they took great pains to write in shifts in the stories. Jack and Jennifer were an accidental couple but once Days realized the chemistry they didn't just immediately have YOUNG and Naive Jennifer start dating the jerk Jack. They built it up for a long time. And Jack fought it hard. I know soaps don't have the patience for that type of thing anymore, but it doesn't mean they can now shove relationships down our throats and expect us to buy them because "they say so".
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Jul 17 2009, 08:27 AM
And the couples of Days past might have wound up coming about because of special chemistry but even when it was accidental, they took great pains to write in shifts in the stories. Jack and Jennifer were an accidental couple but once Days realized the chemistry they didn't just immediately have YOUNG and Naive Jennifer start dating the jerk Jack. They built it up for a long time. And Jack fought it hard. I know soaps don't have the patience for that type of thing anymore, but it doesn't mean they can now shove relationships down our throats and expect us to buy them because "they say so".
I donīt think this is the best example because I donīt remember age difference was ever even an issue for J/J. I donīt think Alice or whoever else ever told Jennifer he is too old for her, or she should be dating people more her age. I know Alice warned Jack not to hurt her when they started to became friends but the moment she realized they are in love (months before they realized it) she became supporter and always tryed to steer them the right way. And Jo, Jackīs mum, was all for it as well. I think Jack was the only one who adressed the age issue a few times, but mainly because Jennifer was so innocent and unexperienced at the time and he felt unworty of her, not because he felt itīs inappropriate for intern/senior college student to date her boss.

Iīm really sorry there wasnīt internet back then, because I would love to see peopleīs reactions when they suddenly shifted Jennifer from teen storylines and made her so carreer driven and hanging around Jack all the time. There would be some heaty debates.
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Jul 17 2009, 08:02 AM

As for the age/class/socio-economic/whatever else differences I really donīt think they are important on soaps. Yes, character background shouldnīt be totally ignored but itīs just a background, at the end we still watch mainly for the chemistry between the actors. I really donīt care if the characters in RL wouldnīt have anything to say each other and probably never met. DAYS is not a real life. DAYS is a show where CEO and vice-CEO of multimilion company are regulary eating at the same spot local school teens do. Itīs a show where the crime-lord and police chief does meetings at the same restaurant, or at the same pier, itīs a miracle if anyone works a full shift (or works at all) and money is never problem at all unless itīs a part of the plot. In order to even enjoy the show we have to overlook dozens of nonsenses everyday and pretend they are acceptable, yet it suddenly becomes a problem when a student and CEO starts to date each other? I donīt see why. All I care is if I like the actors together, if they click, if they are able to make me smile and entertained and if thatīs the case I will readily overlook everything else.

So many DAYS couples of past existed only because there was some undeniable chemistry between actors and the writers ran with that. In fact, itīs one of the thing which makes soaps so amazing. The writers prepare this great story, make detail plans how their next big couple ends together, finally hire an actor to play the new loveinterest and whoa, few months later he still has the same awkward and forced interactions with his supposed lover, yet is at totally easy with a different character who is like the worse choice imaginable. There are writers who ignore that and just continue with whatever are their original plans. And there are the smart ones who notice, who are not afraid to threw all their plans away and just go with the chemistry because at the end thatīs the main reason why people watch.
All those arguments are fine if and only if a viewer sees chemistry between a couple. When someone doesn't see any chemistry, all the little faults and flaws in the setup to a couple and the follow-through storytelling become highlighted. If you like a couple, you can ignore certain things, but when you don't, they're absolutely maddening.

And as Tripp pointed out, they tend to simply ignore the elephants in the room instead of telling the story that COULD be there. Why were we supposed to just ignore that Max dated and slept with not one but two of his nieces? Why are we supposed to ignore the significant experience difference between Philip and Melanie? If you don't see any chemistry, and I do not, what am I supposed to be watching for? What's so great about their story? I honestly can't even see why Philip would ever be attracted to her, but if they would at least write a story that explained that I would have one less thing to piss me off. Or, at least, one less thing to argue about.

Also, I hate the term "undeniable chemistry." Nobody has undeniable chemistry. Someone can always deny it. Just like no person is universally considered beautiful or handsome, no couple is universally popular. I think Bo and Hope are the boringest couple that ever boringed, for example. Do I have the minority opinion? Yes. Am I the only one who doesn't like Bo and Hope? No. But even as much as I don't care for them, I still think PR and KA have a thousand times more chemistry than JKJ and MB.
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Jul 17 2009, 08:02 AM
I agree with the RL vs. fictional life dating thing. Thatīs when Steph/Phillip started to hang around together and I liked the chemistry I wasnīt at all happy when the rumours about Jay/JKJ dating in RL started swirling around. Nobody is ever happy for long on soaps and I just knew when the time for an inevitable breakup comes it will create all kinds of troubles. We still donīt know if the rumour is true or not (I know MB denied it but she wouldnīt cross her friends that way and she refused to say anything about any off screen relationships just a question before) but Iīm very glad itīs not limiting the writers and they are doing whatīs best for the story.

As for the age/class/socio-economic/whatever else differences I really donīt think they are important on soaps. Yes, character background shouldnīt be totally ignored but itīs just a background, at the end we still watch mainly for the chemistry between the actors. I really donīt care if the characters in RL wouldnīt have anything to say each other and probably never met. DAYS is not a real life. DAYS is a show where CEO and vice-CEO of multimilion company are regulary eating at the same spot local school teens do. Itīs a show where the crime-lord and police chief does meetings at the same restaurant, or at the same pier, itīs a miracle if anyone works a full shift (or works at all) and money is never problem at all unless itīs a part of the plot. In order to even enjoy the show we have to overlook dozens of nonsenses everyday and pretend they are acceptable, yet it suddenly becomes a problem when a student and CEO starts to date each other? I donīt see why. All I care is if I like the actors together, if they click, if they are able to make me smile and entertained and if thatīs the case I will readily overlook everything else.

So many DAYS couples of past existed only because there was some undeniable chemistry between actors and the writers ran with that. In fact, itīs one of the thing which makes soaps so amazing. The writers prepare this great story, make detail plans how their next big couple ends together, finally hire an actor to play the new loveinterest and whoa, few months later he still has the same awkward and forced interactions with his supposed lover, yet is at totally easy with a different character who is like the worse choice imaginable. There are writers who ignore that and just continue with whatever are their original plans. And there are the smart ones who notice, who are not afraid to threw all their plans away and just go with the chemistry because at the end thatīs the main reason why people watch.
Jane1978 I agree with you 100%.
I'm not at all rooting for a Phelanie pairing, but the "age-differences" excuse is redundant in this discussion.
I remember the days where Bo & Carly celebrated Shawn D's 9th b-day; and that was before Belle was ever conceived. So if the SORAS procedure is what gives everyone the benefit of the doubt - excellent, for all we know they are now writing Melanie as a 23 y/o. Also Nathan - her pairng-to-be is an intern at the hospital - which means he must be at least 25 years old.
If you think this pairing is wrong from whatever reason it's perfectly okay to express it but this over-used excuse is not necessary.
I know I wasn't a member here at that time, but what about Chelsea and Daniel and other couples that got hot and heavy on our screen regardless of their ages.... That was repulsive, I agree, but as regular viewers we know that this issue has not stopped writers before, nor will it in this case.

BTW - go Melanie and Nathan. Have the fans come up with a name for them yet? :P
Edited by AlmostRosey, Jul 17 2009, 12:35 PM.
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Jul 17 2009, 12:52 AM
Yay. I LOVE Melanie and Philip together. These two honestly actually have terrific chemistry. I see zero chemistry with Melanie/Nathan and Stephanie/Philip. Both of those pairings are boring to me.

I think there is something extra special with the Jay/Molly chemistry as Philip/Melanie. And come on, does Jay honestly look old? Nope, not at all. The guy looks younger than a ton of 20-something younger adults!

10 years is not that big of an age difference.

When Jack/Jennifer started dating, there was like an 8 years age difference. I think she was like 21, and Jack was close to 30. And they were a supercouple.

I also think there is like a 9 year age difference with Bo and Hope as well.
Wow, I think you and I are twins who were separated at birth,lol. I agree with everything you just said.It's just something about Melanie and Philip ....anytime they are in a room together, you can just FEEL the heat between them. You can just cut that sexual tension with a knife! I think that Philip/Stephanie are dull as rocks and I don't feel that sexual tension, between them.
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Jul 17 2009, 09:25 AM
I donīt think this is the best example because I donīt remember age difference was ever even an issue for J/J. I donīt think Alice or whoever else ever told Jennifer he is too old for her, or she should be dating people more her age. I know Alice warned Jack not to hurt her when they started to became friends but the moment she realized they are in love (months before they realized it) she became supporter and always tryed to steer them the right way. And Jo, Jackīs mum, was all for it as well. I think Jack was the only one who adressed the age issue a few times, but mainly because Jennifer was so innocent and unexperienced at the time and he felt unworty of her, not because he felt itīs inappropriate for intern/senior college student to date her boss.

Iīm really sorry there wasnīt internet back then, because I would love to see peopleīs reactions when they suddenly shifted Jennifer from teen storylines and made her so carreer driven and hanging around Jack all the time. There would be some heaty debates.
Age wasn't an issue because they were just working together. That was the extent of their relationship in the beginning. When it was becoming clear to everyone that Jennifer and Jack were more then just coworkers or even friends, no one could deny that Jennifer was ten times more mature then Jack ever was. It's called setting a foundation which the show doesn't do anymore. At this point, Stephanie's maturity is questionable in my opinion, but she's grown recently. Melanie has the typical maturity you would expect from a teenager who hasn't had any responsibility in her entire life.
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Age wasn't an explicit issue with Jack and Jennifer, but it was something writers dealt with in a number of ways. First, when they first started testing the idea of Jack and Jennifer and realized it might work, they took the time to mature Jennifer. They didn't SORAS her and suddenly make her Jack's age, but they dropped 90% of the stuff related to college which had been her main storyline, focused on her working for Jack as a reporter, and showed her dealing with more adult issues (the baby Hannah story, the gang stuff with Emilio, etc.). Over the course of almost a year, they transformed her from a girl who was clearly just out of high school in the early college years to a more mature woman.

Second, they referenced the age difference but not directly. They had Jack make some comments, usually indirectly, that showed he was aware of the age and experience difference between them. They also had Jen talk about how she believed that Jack saw her a little girl, not a woman. It was never the main point of the story, but it was a layer that was there, was acknowledged, and gradually dealt with in other ways.

The problem with Philip and Melanie (and, to a lesser degree, Philip and Stephanie) is that it's never addressed in any way. That, for many people, makes it a big elephant in the room that is hard to ignore.
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Jul 17 2009, 03:26 PM
Age wasn't an explicit issue with Jack and Jennifer, but it was something writers dealt with in a number of ways. First, when they first started testing the idea of Jack and Jennifer and realized it might work, they took the time to mature Jennifer. They didn't SORAS her and suddenly make her Jack's age, but they dropped 90% of the stuff related to college which had been her main storyline, focused on her working for Jack as a reporter, and showed her dealing with more adult issues (the baby Hannah story, the gang stuff with Emilio, etc.). Over the course of almost a year, they transformed her from a girl who was clearly just out of high school in the early college years to a more mature woman.

Second, they referenced the age difference but not directly. They had Jack make some comments, usually indirectly, that showed he was aware of the age and experience difference between them. They also had Jen talk about how she believed that Jack saw her a little girl, not a woman. It was never the main point of the story, but it was a layer that was there, was acknowledged, and gradually dealt with in other ways.

The problem with Philip and Melanie (and, to a lesser degree, Philip and Stephanie) is that it's never addressed in any way. That, for many people, makes it a big elephant in the room that is hard to ignore.
Thanks ESP. You have a better memory then I have. I knew the age thing wasn't completely ignored back then like it is today.
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Jul 17 2009, 03:43 PM
I knew the age thing wasn't completely ignored back then like it is today.
What romantic/platonic couples are you talking about? Stephanie & Philip, ok I can see it but they are so wrapped up in showing that their morals don't match up to care about the minor age difference. In the cases of Phillip and Brady with Melanie it's pretty much a non-issue because there isn't a romantic relationship. maybe Phillip could have expressed some remorse for breaking out his two hooker moves of making out with Melanie due to her age but there have been plenty of instances where it's been indirectly acknowledged ie) Philip looked distrubed by his sex fantasy and he's made various remarks of her being inexperienced and resenting the reason of her being even a presence at Titan. Brady on the other hand recognized it in an indirect manner while she was at Titan but didn't feel the need to rub it in her face. He too was a little mortified by their kissing and directly addressed their age difference. It's not like they hang out and go to the movies but Melanie is such an overwhelming person that she injects herself in their life like assuming Brady was at Maggie's to hang out with her instead of the AA mtg.
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Jul 17 2009, 03:26 PM
Age wasn't an explicit issue with Jack and Jennifer, but it was something writers dealt with in a number of ways. First, when they first started testing the idea of Jack and Jennifer and realized it might work, they took the time to mature Jennifer. They didn't SORAS her and suddenly make her Jack's age, but they dropped 90% of the stuff related to college which had been her main storyline, focused on her working for Jack as a reporter, and showed her dealing with more adult issues (the baby Hannah story, the gang stuff with Emilio, etc.). Over the course of almost a year, they transformed her from a girl who was clearly just out of high school in the early college years to a more mature woman.

Second, they referenced the age difference but not directly. They had Jack make some comments, usually indirectly, that showed he was aware of the age and experience difference between them. They also had Jen talk about how she believed that Jack saw her a little girl, not a woman. It was never the main point of the story, but it was a layer that was there, was acknowledged, and gradually dealt with in other ways.

The problem with Philip and Melanie (and, to a lesser degree, Philip and Stephanie) is that it's never addressed in any way. That, for many people, makes it a big elephant in the room that is hard to ignore.
I have to disagree here. I think the way the writers adressed the age thing back then is pretty similar to what Higley did with Phillip and Stephanie. They made her more mature, let her start work at Titan and we heard a lot of reminders from Bo, Caroline and others alluding not exactly the age, but difference in experience. Now sheīs apparently already finished the college so she is suddenly around the same age as Nathan and the age will not be an issue at all anymore, exactly what they did with Jennifer in early 1990.

As for Melanie, she and Phillip were brought together by extraordinary circumstances and they never had anything which could be called a relationship. But he certainly called her young, naive, inexperienced brat a lot, especially at beginning. He treated her as an anoying teenager and when he had that infamous nightmare with him and Mel in bed he was repulsed and disgusted by it, he didnīt immediatelly go to ask her on a date. And we had Max and Maggie both warning her and telling her to stop playing with him because she is too young and he will hurt her. I understand some people donīt understand why he could be even attracted to her, but they never pretended this attraction is some normal ordinary thing.
Edited by jane1978, Jul 17 2009, 04:43 PM.
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^Jane said it a thousand time better than I could. You are right about Phil and stephanie.
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Jul 15 2009, 11:21 AM
Please link to DR.

This week's SOD and SOW each feature an interview with Molly Burnett.

This week, Melanie is on a date with Nathan at the pub, but he has to leave because he's called back to the hospital. He asks Melanie to wait an hour for him. However, as she's waiting, Philip walks in. Molly Burnett tells SOW, "when Philip enters a room, Melanie always gets butterflies in her stomach." However, since "Melanie is trying to be true to herself and Stephanie", she ignores Philip.

Melanie soon realizes, however, that Philip has been drinking. Philip asks Melanie to go for a drive with him, so she ends up driving him to the Horton cabin, because he tells her he left his watch there. As soon as they get there, Philip tells Melanie that there's always been something between them. Melanie tells Philip that she's on a date and they need to leave, but, as Burnett says, "He kisses her, and she doesn't know what to do. He kisses her again and it's super hot. Philip picks Melanie up and puts her on the counter. It's excellent."

Melanie stops and tells Philip that they can't do this. She knows Nathan will be back at the pub soon. Melanie takes the ferry back, and when she gets back to the pub, her hair is messed up. Stephanie thinks that Melanie just slept with Philip, and Stephanie calls Melanie a slut. Melanie slaps Stephanie.

Brady breaks things up and gets Melanie and Stephanie to talk to each other. Melanie explains things and Stephanie apologizes. SOW asks Burnett if Melanie and Steph are friends now. Burnett says, "They're frenemies. They're cordial to each other and hang out a little bit, but there's always going to be tension there because of Max, France and everything that happened."




wow that sounds hot! i am definitly gonna have to catch that. philip and melanie always had way hotter chemistry to me and i always love it when a guy picks a girl up while hes making out :wub: :wub:
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Jul 15 2009, 12:07 PM
Why is this a story in SOD and SOW, who cares?
I and many others do (although clearly not that many on this board).

Glad the kiss seems to be one sided. Really shows how far Melanie has come.
i care too. and i love the new and improved melanie, not selfish and shallow and all, like when she first came. and im glad she broke up the kiss cause if she wants steph as a friend, you dont want to sleep with her ex
Really?

Then explain Chelsea/Max/Stephanie.
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Jul 17 2009, 04:42 PM
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Jul 17 2009, 03:26 PM
Age wasn't an explicit issue with Jack and Jennifer, but it was something writers dealt with in a number of ways. First, when they first started testing the idea of Jack and Jennifer and realized it might work, they took the time to mature Jennifer. They didn't SORAS her and suddenly make her Jack's age, but they dropped 90% of the stuff related to college which had been her main storyline, focused on her working for Jack as a reporter, and showed her dealing with more adult issues (the baby Hannah story, the gang stuff with Emilio, etc.). Over the course of almost a year, they transformed her from a girl who was clearly just out of high school in the early college years to a more mature woman.

Second, they referenced the age difference but not directly. They had Jack make some comments, usually indirectly, that showed he was aware of the age and experience difference between them. They also had Jen talk about how she believed that Jack saw her a little girl, not a woman. It was never the main point of the story, but it was a layer that was there, was acknowledged, and gradually dealt with in other ways.

The problem with Philip and Melanie (and, to a lesser degree, Philip and Stephanie) is that it's never addressed in any way. That, for many people, makes it a big elephant in the room that is hard to ignore.
I have to disagree here. I think the way the writers adressed the age thing back then is pretty similar to what Higley did with Phillip and Stephanie. They made her more mature, let her start work at Titan and we heard a lot of reminders from Bo, Caroline and others alluding not exactly the age, but difference in experience. Now sheīs apparently already finished the college so she is suddenly around the same age as Nathan and the age will not be an issue at all anymore, exactly what they did with Jennifer in early 1990.

As for Melanie, she and Phillip were brought together by extraordinary circumstances and they never had anything which could be called a relationship. But he certainly called her young, naive, inexperienced brat a lot, especially at beginning. He treated her as an anoying teenager and when he had that infamous nightmare with him and Mel in bed he was repulsed and disgusted by it, he didnīt immediatelly go to ask her on a date. And we had Max and Maggie both warning her and telling her to stop playing with him because she is too young and he will hurt her. I understand some people donīt understand why he could be even attracted to her, but they never pretended this attraction is some normal ordinary thing.
You're so right.

It's totally unfounded that a slightly older man would fall for a younger woman, especially one that he's seeing with a new respect.

That kinda thing never happens.
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I actually love Melanie and I love her and Philip. Being a Dansea fan, I don't give a damn about the age difference. I don't honestly see one between Philip and Melanie because I think they have a lot of chemistry together.

Just in general to other comments I have seen, as for people never dating someone older then them, that happens a lot more then people think. I have dated a guy 15 years older than me once and we had a great time. Also I have friends in serious relationships with guys 12 years older and it works out. Captain Von Trapp was 25 years older then Maria Von Trapp yet they fell in love and had one of the biggest romances of all time. So I really really really wish people would get OVER the age difference as an issue.

I would love for her and Philip to get together at some point as I think they are just great together!
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I actually love Melanie and I love her and Philip. Being a Dansea fan, I don't give a damn about the age difference. I don't honestly see one between Philip and Melanie because I think they have a lot of chemistry together.

Just in general to other comments I have seen, as for people never dating someone older then them, that happens a lot more then people think. I have dated a guy 15 years older than me once and we had a great time. Also I have friends in serious relationships with guys 12 years older and it works out. Captain Von Trapp was 25 years older then Maria Von Trapp yet they fell in love and had one of the biggest romances of all time. So I really really really wish people would get OVER the age difference as an issue.

I would love for her and Philip to get together at some point as I think they are just great together!
ITA Angie! All this hating and mocking about the age difference in a couple is tantamount to prejudice. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Some of the greatest love stories of the twentieth century had an age difference in them - Bogie and Bacall anyone?

Seriously people need to get over themselves, it's hard to find someone who you can just click with, why throw age into the equation too?
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ITA Angie! All this hating and mocking about the age difference in a couple is tantamount to prejudice. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Some of the greatest love stories of the twentieth century had an age difference in them - Bogie and Bacall anyone?

Seriously people need to get over themselves, it's hard to find someone who you can just click with, why throw age into the equation too?
I'd appreciate it if people didn't try to belittle my opinions of disliking this couple. I can assure you it's not prejudice, I can get over large age gaps if the story is done right and the chemistry is there. But if you are thinking I'm going to get on board with any guy closer to 30 dating an EIGHTEEN year old, while the show pretends there is nothing out of the ordinary, you're very wrong.

And please, don't compare phelony to Bogie and Bacall.

And a person's age does factor into the equation. I'm sorry. It's part of what makes a person who they are. Are you the same person you were when you were ten? Do you think you'll be the same person when you are fifty? Seventy? Our tastes change as we grow and mature, the emphasis being on mature. Some twenty year olds are more mature then some forty year olds, I admit, but Philip given and everything he's been through is mature enough as it is, but I'm not buying Melanie as anything but a annoying trouble-maker who acts like a teenager.
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ITA Angie! All this hating and mocking about the age difference in a couple is tantamount to prejudice. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Some of the greatest love stories of the twentieth century had an age difference in them - Bogie and Bacall anyone?

Seriously people need to get over themselves, it's hard to find someone who you can just click with, why throw age into the equation too?
I'd appreciate it if people didn't try to belittle my opinions of disliking this couple. I can assure you it's not prejudice, I can get over large age gaps if the story is done right and the chemistry is there. But if you are thinking I'm going to get on board with any guy closer to 30 dating an EIGHTEEN year old, while the show pretends there is nothing out of the ordinary, you're very wrong.

And please, don't compare phelony to Bogie and Bacall.

And a person's age does factor into the equation. I'm sorry. It's part of what makes a person who they are. Are you the same person you were when you were ten? Do you think you'll be the same person when you are fifty? Seventy? Our tastes change as we grow and mature, the emphasis being on mature. Some twenty year olds are more mature then some forty year olds, I admit, but Philip given and everything he's been through is mature enough as it is, but I'm not buying Melanie as anything but a annoying trouble-maker who acts like a teenager.
LOL, err okay, well in the show, being as poorly written as it is, unless they've SORASED his character too, Philip is still meant to only be like 25. But yeah, i know Jay is like 33 in real life. Molly is like 21 anyway.

But that aside, if you don't like seeing an age difference in a relationship, then that's up to you. But some of us don't give two figs. And i wasn't actually targetting you specifically as being prejudiced but hey, if that hit a sore point with you, then so be it.

I'm sorry if you felt belittled, maybe you need a hug. :)

I too, will always want to see a well written story over a poorly written one, obviously, but the fact is there is NOTHING wrong with an eighteen year old dating an older gal/guy because even if you throw maturity out of it, it's legal, it's consentual (hopefully) and there's not a damn thing you or anybody else can do about it.

LOL, me personally, well it depends on who you ask as to whether they'll reply in the affirmative about me being the same as i was when i was ten years old, but this really isn't about me or you, the fact is Phelony have issues other than age that we should be focusing on, one being that he treats her like crap. True, she's no saint either, but she has matured a great deal from since she first appeared on the show.

LOL, I was merely pointing out the MUCH LARGER age difference in Bogie and Bacall with comparison to Phelony, not the myth surrounding the couples themselves. But you're welcome to read into it what you will.

Here's to better storylines and better writers on Days! :cheers:

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