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SOW: A Closer Look: Rafe; August 18th issue; Article Summary
Topic Started: Aug 5 2009, 12:12 PM (2,198 Views)
mer4santo
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The sooner Safe gets together the sooner they'll blow apart. Lets get the show on the road so Rafe can go away.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

Ooops. Way wrong thread.
Edited by IMissAremid, Aug 6 2009, 01:56 AM.
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Preach it, Manda!
Contrary to popular and CONSTANT believe, Rafe isn't boring to all. In fact, he isn't the most boring, most pathetic or even the worst actor compared to the others.
If it isn't Lucas, it's Nicole, and if it isn't Nicole, it's Rafe. It's so silly.

And I just have to LMAO that Rafe is the controlling one, possible abusive to Sami. So what? Isn't Sami used to it by now? Doesn't that mean she secretly is in love with him? Talk about double fucking standards!
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I think we all know that Rafe isn't boring to everyone. Safe fans clearly exist. Just like everyone else on the show, he's not everyone's cup of tea. Whether or not he's the most boring, pathetic or worst actor is subjective. There is not 'in fact' about it, either way. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

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Too much love has been declared by both of them over the last 6-weeks for them to be over. :wub:

So it's the long term aspect of their love story that means they are headed for happily ever after?
Sorry - I'm really not trying to pick a fight - but that particular part of your post really sticks out to me - probably for the opposite reason you intended.

I agree we clearly don't all share the same opinion, and how boring would this place be if we did? But you've sort of hit the nail on the head for me with that statement. The Safe luv story has been just a little too easy and way too predictable. In my opinion, they have completely stripped Sami of many of the things I love about her. Watching her fawn all over Rafe, and resorting to begging and pleading every time he manages to change his expression enough to look pissed is a waste of the spit fire, feisty character that Sami used to be. I absolutely hate that she has to take on this Stepford persona in order to maintain a relationship with this guy. Every single time she does anything remotely to aggravate him he bails and she chases. Or lately, he bails, she bawls and then we have Sami's new BFF Nicole come on the scene to offer a shoulder to cry on. WTF????? Who ARE these people?

And to be fair, I feel the same way about Nicole. I've always enjoyed her character - until they put her with EJ and we're getting the same result. He huffs and he puffs and she snivels and whines. It's not attractive on either one of them. I know many will disagree with me, but EJ never treated Sami like he does Nicole - perhaps because Sami wouldn't stand for it. So now we have all three of these characters being written as so much weaker and less enjoyable than they really are.

I think it's such a shame and I am SO ready to get on with it and find all three of them in better stories than they are in right now.
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Good post. I was at that point, once. Now I'm a little further past the whole fed up thing, and to the point where if this is the Sami that is here for good, I just don't care about her anymore. EJ has changed too, but my love for Sami in particular has been coasting on my past memories of the crazy girl she used to be for a long time now. Every once in awhile she shows that spark, but the show has been intent on making her the heroine and if they're not going to stop trying, I can just move on now. At least Nicole had gone back to scheming, but even she's faltering again. Some people, and it seems that most of those people have become safe fans, are into the idea of seeing Sami straighten up, settle down, and become a good Brady. I never wanted to see that for her, or EJ or Nicole. Sami and EJ have great chemistry, but part of the main draw for me, was that the Sami in ejami was very much like the single Sami. EJami and brami are pretty much the only times when she could be her original self.
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Manda1
Aug 6 2009, 01:30 AM
EJ is the abusive and controlling one....I mean poor Nicole...'Where have you been?' she can't leave the house without the third degree. What other character screams at his wife at the top of his lungs? What other character goes into meltdown and histrionics when he hears of bad news or betrayal be it personal or business related? That is the EJ character. That is not the Rafe character which is why I like him.

Some like me don't like dark, spiteful or cruel - but it's fine that some do. We don't need two of anything on this show. I am glad that Rafe is silent or walks away rather than call Sami every name under the sun, threaten her and say abusive cruel things. Rafe is a good guy I hope the writers keep him that way,
Great post. Rafe really isn't abusive but EJ on the other hand. Nicole bends over backwards and he still treats Nicole like shit. Nicole certainly deserves better treatment.

Rafe serves a niche on the show.
Edited by Halloween Family, Aug 6 2009, 10:50 AM.
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Aug 6 2009, 09:43 AM
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Too much love has been declared by both of them over the last 6-weeks for them to be over. :wub:

So it's the long term aspect of their love story that means they are headed for happily ever after?
Sorry - I'm really not trying to pick a fight - but that particular part of your post really sticks out to me - probably for the opposite reason you intended.

I agree we clearly don't all share the same opinion, and how boring would this place be if we did? But you've sort of hit the nail on the head for me with that statement. The Safe luv story has been just a little too easy and way too predictable. In my opinion, they have completely stripped Sami of many of the things I love about her. Watching her fawn all over Rafe, and resorting to begging and pleading every time he manages to change his expression enough to look pissed is a waste of the spit fire, feisty character that Sami used to be. I absolutely hate that she has to take on this Stepford persona in order to maintain a relationship with this guy. Every single time she does anything remotely to aggravate him he bails and she chases. Or lately, he bails, she bawls and then we have Sami's new BFF Nicole come on the scene to offer a shoulder to cry on. WTF????? Who ARE these people?

And to be fair, I feel the same way about Nicole. I've always enjoyed her character - until they put her with EJ and we're getting the same result. He huffs and he puffs and she snivels and whines. It's not attractive on either one of them. I know many will disagree with me, but EJ never treated Sami like he does Nicole - perhaps because Sami wouldn't stand for it. So now we have all three of these characters being written as so much weaker and less enjoyable than they really are.

I think it's such a shame and I am SO ready to get on with it and find all three of them in better stories than they are in right now.
It's interesting that you see that the Safe love story has been easy and predictable but that comment is in conflict with the fact that you say that Sami has not been 'in character' and therfore by extension unpredictable to enable this story to play out. They have almost broken up too many times to count, they have had the death of Grace which everyone predicted was definitely going to destroy them, they now have Stephano working against them with Meredith and they are being pulled apart again. I don't see it as being easy for them at all and obviously there is a lot more angst to come for Safe because Meredith is coming back. What would be the point of her return unless Safe do not remain apart?

I think they are trying to redeem the Nicole character with her helping Sami to see Johnny, and now comforting Sami etc but I also think these 'good works' of Nicole may be to justify what might be a 'tamer' response from Sami about the baby switch than some might predict. Yes she's going to be angry and mad but she may have some compassion because of Nicole's 'good' deeds like warning her the headstone had changed. I can hardly wait to hear what Nicole says to comfort Sami about Rafe leaving as she was the one who set Stephano onto them in the first place. And as for happily ever after? Unlikely unless thry are being written off the show. :tounge: But won't Sami be due another wedding soon? :lol: :lol:
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Aug 6 2009, 11:18 AM
I think they are trying to redeem the Nicole character with her helping Sami to see Johnny, and now comforting Sami etc but I also think these 'good works' of Nicole may be to justify what might be a 'tamer' response from Sami about the baby switch than some might predict.
And if that happens, Rafe can keep her. They'll truly be peas in a pod and will belong together.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Manda1
Aug 6 2009, 11:18 AM
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Aug 6 2009, 09:43 AM
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Too much love has been declared by both of them over the last 6-weeks for them to be over. :wub:

So it's the long term aspect of their love story that means they are headed for happily ever after?
Sorry - I'm really not trying to pick a fight - but that particular part of your post really sticks out to me - probably for the opposite reason you intended.

I agree we clearly don't all share the same opinion, and how boring would this place be if we did? But you've sort of hit the nail on the head for me with that statement. The Safe luv story has been just a little too easy and way too predictable. In my opinion, they have completely stripped Sami of many of the things I love about her. Watching her fawn all over Rafe, and resorting to begging and pleading every time he manages to change his expression enough to look pissed is a waste of the spit fire, feisty character that Sami used to be. I absolutely hate that she has to take on this Stepford persona in order to maintain a relationship with this guy. Every single time she does anything remotely to aggravate him he bails and she chases. Or lately, he bails, she bawls and then we have Sami's new BFF Nicole come on the scene to offer a shoulder to cry on. WTF????? Who ARE these people?

And to be fair, I feel the same way about Nicole. I've always enjoyed her character - until they put her with EJ and we're getting the same result. He huffs and he puffs and she snivels and whines. It's not attractive on either one of them. I know many will disagree with me, but EJ never treated Sami like he does Nicole - perhaps because Sami wouldn't stand for it. So now we have all three of these characters being written as so much weaker and less enjoyable than they really are.

I think it's such a shame and I am SO ready to get on with it and find all three of them in better stories than they are in right now.
It's interesting that you see that the Safe love story has been easy and predictable but that comment is in conflict with the fact that you say that Sami has not been 'in character' and therfore by extension unpredictable to enable this story to play out. They have almost broken up too many times to count, they have had the death of Grace which everyone predicted was definitely going to destroy them, they now have Stephano working against them with Meredith and they are being pulled apart again. I don't see it as being easy for them at all and obviously there is a lot more angst to come for Safe because Meredith is coming back. What would be the point of her return unless Safe do not remain apart?

I think they are trying to redeem the Nicole character with her helping Sami to see Johnny, and now comforting Sami etc but I also think these 'good works' of Nicole may be to justify what might be a 'tamer' response from Sami about the baby switch than some might predict. Yes she's going to be angry and mad but she may have some compassion because of Nicole's 'good' deeds like warning her the headstone had changed. I can hardly wait to hear what Nicole says to comfort Sami about Rafe leaving as she was the one who set Stephano onto them in the first place. And as for happily ever after? Unlikely unless thry are being written off the show. :tounge: But won't Sami be due another wedding soon? :lol: :lol:
The predictability stems from the fact that it was made clear before GG made his first appearance on the show that he was being brought on to pair with AS. It was never a secret - we all knew where this was heading prior to day one. So they have been completely predictable. Right down to the cutesy scenes of stealing clothes from each other in the 'safe' house, arguing over the TV and later the dog painting. Predictably boring. You're right that Sami has not been written in character of the Sami of old - but they've been attempting to turn her into a Brady heroine, ala Marlena, since her last go round with Lucas. So again...Sami paired with Rafe is a redux of Sami paired with Lucas. Lily white and predictable - a waste of the character. Now let me be clear, though - Sami wasn't always so marginalized with Lucas - just in the last go round.

I see Rafe's role on the show as a place holder. He's there to give Sami something to do while we wait for this endless baby story to finally come to it's conclusion...and Lord knows, that can't come soon enough for me. So in the meantime they are writing in all of these 'obstacles' for Safe which end up throwing both characters under the bus. How many times have we heard Rafe declare his love for Sami and promise her he's not going anywhere - only to turn around and storm out the next time she brings up his past? It makes him look like a control freak. :shrug:

If they go down the route of having Sami take a 'softer' approach to Nicole when it hits the fan because Nicole has been 'nice' to her these past few weeks I can only imagine the outraged reaction from fans. Given their history and knowing that Nicole not only stole her baby, but allowed her to bury and grieve for a child that wasn't hers and then parade around town waving Sami's daughter under her nose? I expect a royal Sami smack down like nothing we've ever seen before. The fans are at the very least owed a huge payoff once this story wraps - and Nicole's recent Mother Theresa tendencies are not even a band aid on the gaping hole she's put in both Sami and EJ's hearts.
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I also wonder why they are trying to redeem Nicole usually they just let her be a bitch till the end so that tells me that they have good things instored for her once this crap story is over with. I for one can't wait to see what journey Nicole goes on next.
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Aug 6 2009, 11:33 AM
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Aug 6 2009, 11:18 AM
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Aug 6 2009, 09:43 AM

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It's interesting that you see that the Safe love story has been easy and predictable but that comment is in conflict with the fact that you say that Sami has not been 'in character' and therfore by extension unpredictable to enable this story to play out. They have almost broken up too many times to count, they have had the death of Grace which everyone predicted was definitely going to destroy them, they now have Stephano working against them with Meredith and they are being pulled apart again. I don't see it as being easy for them at all and obviously there is a lot more angst to come for Safe because Meredith is coming back. What would be the point of her return unless Safe do not remain apart?

I think they are trying to redeem the Nicole character with her helping Sami to see Johnny, and now comforting Sami etc but I also think these 'good works' of Nicole may be to justify what might be a 'tamer' response from Sami about the baby switch than some might predict. Yes she's going to be angry and mad but she may have some compassion because of Nicole's 'good' deeds like warning her the headstone had changed. I can hardly wait to hear what Nicole says to comfort Sami about Rafe leaving as she was the one who set Stephano onto them in the first place. And as for happily ever after? Unlikely unless thry are being written off the show. :tounge: But won't Sami be due another wedding soon? :lol: :lol:
The predictability stems from the fact that it was made clear before GG made his first appearance on the show that he was being brought on to pair with AS. It was never a secret - we all knew where this was heading prior to day one. So they have been completely predictable. Right down to the cutesy scenes of stealing clothes from each other in the 'safe' house, arguing over the TV and later the dog painting. Predictably boring. You're right that Sami has not been written in character of the Sami of old - but they've been attempting to turn her into a Brady heroine, ala Marlena, since her last go round with Lucas. So again...Sami paired with Rafe is a redux of Sami paired with Lucas. Lily white and predictable - a waste of the character. Now let me be clear, though - Sami wasn't always so marginalized with Lucas - just in the last go round.

I see Rafe's role on the show as a place holder. He's there to give Sami something to do while we wait for this endless baby story to finally come to it's conclusion...and Lord knows, that can't come soon enough for me. So in the meantime they are writing in all of these 'obstacles' for Safe which end up throwing both characters under the bus. How many times have we heard Rafe declare his love for Sami and promise her he's not going anywhere - only to turn around and storm out the next time she brings up his past? It makes him look like a control freak. :shrug:

If they go down the route of having Sami take a 'softer' approach to Nicole when it hits the fan because Nicole has been 'nice' to her these past few weeks I can only imagine the outraged reaction from fans. Given their history and knowing that Nicole not only stole her baby, but allowed her to bury and grieve for a child that wasn't hers and then parade around town waving Sami's daughter under her nose? I expect a royal Sami smack down like nothing we've ever seen before. The fans are at the very least owed a huge payoff once this story wraps - and Nicole's recent Mother Theresa tendencies are not even a band aid on the gaping hole she's put in both Sami and EJ's hearts.
Rafe doesn't look like a control freak for leaving if you read the numerous articles that explain his motives and why he feels he has to leave her - it is a selfless act to not cause her more pain - I think there is something dangerous that will come out when the Emily mystery is out of the bag.

As far as Sami going crazy at Nicole when she finds out about Sydney let's see because she loved Grace and will always do so - yes she will be overjoyed that Sydney is alive etc...I just think it may all play out a little more complicated than Sami freaking out - knocking Nicole out - scream some more, threaten and breath fire etc. the end, whatever she is with Nicole she'll be as mad with Stephano for helping to keep the truth buried. I think they may be trying to give Sami a lot more layers than the character may have had in the past i.e. Sami is no longer just being written as a shallow vindictive vengeful bitch! We do see shades of that with the reaction to Chloe in a coma and her reactions to EJ changing the headstone etc. but that is no longer all there is to Sami. JMO
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I totally expect Sami to go off on Nicole but I do wonder why the writers even had Nicole helping Sami if it wasn't going to come into play down the road.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Manda1
Aug 6 2009, 12:17 PM
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Aug 6 2009, 11:33 AM
Manda1
Aug 6 2009, 11:18 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep over the last 6-weeks predictable but that comment is in conflict with the fact that you say that Sami has not been 'in character' and therfore by extension unpredictable to enable this story to play out. They have almost broken up too many times to count, they have had the death of Grace which everyone predicted was definitely going to destroy them, they now have Stephano working against them with Meredith and they are being pulled apart again. I don't see it as being easy for them at all and obviously there is a lot more angst to come for Safe because Meredith is coming back. What would be the point of her return unless Safe do not remain apart?

I think they are trying to redeem the Nicole character with her helping Sami to see Johnny, and now comforting Sami etc but I also think these 'good works' of Nicole may be to justify what might be a 'tamer' response from Sami about the baby switch than some might predict. Yes she's going to be angry and mad but she may have some compassion because of Nicole's 'good' deeds like warning her the headstone had changed. I can hardly wait to hear what Nicole says to comfort Sami about Rafe leaving as she was the one who set Stephano onto them in the first place. And as for happily ever after? Unlikely unless thry are being written off the show. :tounge: But won't Sami be due another wedding soon? :lol: :lol:
The predictability stems from the fact that it was made clear before GG made his first appearance on the show that he was being brought on to pair with AS. It was never a secret - we all knew where this was heading prior to day one. So they have been completely predictable. Right down to the cutesy scenes of stealing clothes from each other in the 'safe' house, arguing over the TV and later the dog painting. Predictably boring. You're right that Sami has not been written in character of the Sami of old - but they've been attempting to turn her into a Brady heroine, ala Marlena, since her last go round with Lucas. So again...Sami paired with Rafe is a redux of Sami paired with Lucas. Lily white and predictable - a waste of the character. Now let me be clear, though - Sami wasn't always so marginalized with Lucas - just in the last go round.

I see Rafe's role on the show as a place holder. He's there to give Sami something to do while we wait for this endless baby story to finally come to it's conclusion...and Lord knows, that can't come soon enough for me. So in the meantime they are writing in all of these 'obstacles' for Safe which end up throwing both characters under the bus. How many times have we heard Rafe declare his love for Sami and promise her he's not going anywhere - only to turn around and storm out the next time she brings up his past? It makes him look like a control freak. :shrug:

If they go down the route of having Sami take a 'softer' approach to Nicole when it hits the fan because Nicole has been 'nice' to her these past few weeks I can only imagine the outraged reaction from fans. Given their history and knowing that Nicole not only stole her baby, but allowed her to bury and grieve for a child that wasn't hers and then parade around town waving Sami's daughter under her nose? I expect a royal Sami smack down like nothing we've ever seen before. The fans are at the very least owed a huge payoff once this story wraps - and Nicole's recent Mother Theresa tendencies are not even a band aid on the gaping hole she's put in both Sami and EJ's hearts.
Rafe doesn't look like a control freak for leaving if you read the numerous articles that explain his motives and why he feels he has to leave her - it is a selfless act to not cause her more pain - I think there is something dangerous that will come out when the Emily mystery is out of the bag.

As far as Sami going crazy at Nicole when she finds out about Sydney let's see because she loved Grace and will always do so - yes she will be overjoyed that Sydney is alive etc...I just think it may all play out a little more complicated than Sami freaking out - knocking Nicole out - scream some more, threaten and breath fire etc. the end, whatever she is with Nicole she'll be as mad with Stephano for helping to keep the truth buried. I think they may be trying to give Sami a lot more layers than the character may have had in the past i.e. Sami is no longer just being written as a shallow vindictive vengeful bitch! We do see shades of that with the reaction to Chloe in a coma and her reactions to EJ changing the headstone etc. but that is no longer all there is to Sami. JMO
But that's just it...I shouldn't have to read numerous interviews to get the actors motivations for how they play a scene. I'm judging by what has been shown on screen - and on screen, Rafe looks like a control freak who can't stand the heat if things aren't going exactly as he wants them to. We can speculate all day long about what could or should happen - but so far, Rafe is a dick every time Sami doesn't cow tow to his moody refusal to tell her how many brothers/sisters he has. Much less did he happen to kill his ex-fiance. :eyeroll:

As for Sami...if I wanted to watch Carrie or Belle, I'd prefer they bring back Christie Clark or Martha Madison.
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Aug 6 2009, 12:22 PM
I totally expect Sami to go off on Nicole but I do wonder why the writers even had Nicole helping Sami if it wasn't going to come into play down the road.
I totally agree! Nicole is being written as a complex and layered character who isn't just plain evil and wants everyone else to be unhappy - actually she's really doesn't seem to want to be the only happy one any more - particurlarly since Grace's death left Sami with no baby to love. OK she is not sorry enough to just come clean.....but she is being eaten away by guilt. And for what? EJ his so rude to her a lot of the time.....
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Aug 6 2009, 12:22 PM
I totally expect Sami to go off on Nicole but I do wonder why the writers even had Nicole helping Sami if it wasn't going to come into play down the road.
I totally agree! Nicole is being written as a complex and layered character who isn't just plain evil and wants everyone else to be unhappy - actually she's really doesn't seem to want to be the only happy one any more - particurlarly since Grace's death left Sami with no baby to love. OK she is not sorry enough to just come clean.....but she is being eaten away by guilt. And for what? EJ his so rude to her a lot of the time.....
I love this Nicole and this is how I remember her when she first came to town, then she became cartoonish. She was such a caricature when she first came to town last year and now she is such an interesting character. She knows what the right things to do are but due to her strong sense of self preservation due to her upbringing she's able to justify all her sins. Nicole was never a monster. and the writing is allowing her to show that she's a flawed person but she's no psychopath--she's able to empathize others' pain. I for one am rooting for Sami and Nicole to become "friends". I believe this friendship more than I do Chloe and Nicole. The writing has flowed this way (the sami nicole "friendship") naturally and it makes it less obvious what Sami's reaction is going to be once the reveal happens.

I'm also glad Nicole has dropped the slinky sex kitten routine, it didn't suit Ari. Nicole being maternal and nurturing with selfishness and greed thrown in there is a much better fit.
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Yuck, this article just makes me want to ff thru Rafe, as I already do. No matter how hard they try they just cannot make me care about this guy. He sucks.
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