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SOD/SOW: EJ learns Sydney isn't Nicole's!; Oct 13th issues; Summary of Articles
Topic Started: Sep 30 2009, 12:20 PM (5,616 Views)
magicsteacher
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Sep 30 2009, 08:24 PM
This is gonna be awesome when it all blows up! Ari is going to do incredible in these scenes. Even though this lie is huge, Nicole still looks way better than Sami.
Yet everybody thinks that EJ should forgive Sami so they can get back together, but not Nicole? That's what I don't get.
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magicsteacher
Oct 2 2009, 11:15 AM
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Sep 30 2009, 08:24 PM
This is gonna be awesome when it all blows up! Ari is going to do incredible in these scenes. Even though this lie is huge, Nicole still looks way better than Sami.
Yet everybody thinks that EJ should forgive Sami so they can get back together, but not Nicole? That's what I don't get.

Lieing to the father about
their child who has died. Nicole and Sami

Faking a pregnancy. Nicole

Switching babies. Nicole

Having others to Lie for
her. Nicole and Sami

Letting her husband grieve
for a child that's not his. Nicole

Letting a woman grieve
for a child that's not hers. Nicole

Nicole is much worse in this situation than Sami by ALL means.
Edited by MrsDimera, Oct 2 2009, 11:32 AM.
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Sami and EJ have actual children together (and a ton of chemistry). That's why so many want them together.

Should she have another coupla kids with Rafe? Who after that, Dirty Dan and a couple more kids? Then she'll go cougar and she and Chad can pop out a few?

Sami's turning into Ole Mother Hubbard and her uterus will probably fall out - Oh!

I think she should stick with one of the men she already has kids with. Not create another broken family.
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whenever the entire truth does surface ej will ahve a hard time convincing sami he had no idea about the fake pregnancy especially since he was around sami the entire time she was pregnant with the twins even if they were not together he did keep an eye on her and i think even with his entire life falling apart in front of him, he will never convince sami that he didnt know nicole faked the pregnancy, he will also never convince sami that he didnt have anything to do with the switch.

i do feel bad for ej in this however it kind of goes with who he is and the dealings of his family so for me its just part of being a dimira ..they have terrible luck with women except for tony who had pretty good luck with anna....and he had quite a few ladies on his island to lol.

ej had said something to sami i think it was last week about how she wold feel if someone just snatched her baby from her, if she has a flash back to this sentence from ej this will be the nail in his coffin as far as her ever believing him being innocent in this whole mess...and he is innocent in this for once

why does sami help nicole in the spoilers...thats easy they are friends or are until the entire truth comes out, nicole has made it so sami will feel bad for her and probably take her and sydney into her home which not sure if nicole will ahve any dimira cash flow after this, she will need a relatively free place to live with a built in baby sitter even if that sitter is sydneys biological mother.

nicole will always blame everyone but herself for everything that happens thats nicole but not sure all this will work in her or bradys favor since he knew at least about the adoption, and he knew nicole was not really pregnant, sort of stands to reason he could ahve known about the switch except the way hes been acting proves he had no clue about that , still believing sydney is mias sort of proves that and i wonder what his reaction will be when he finds out the entire truth...sami is his sister after all.

as far as sami not wanting ej to know about any baby she had with him...his track record, kidnapping stephanie, trying to kill phillip, being a dimira...i think everyone in salem totally understands her reasons there even if hes a good father to his children, stefano lives in the house also and that on its own would be enough for me to not want to inform ej of any new additions especially now that " killer kate" is also there working on something with stefano...notice she isnt stopping him from doing himself in with his diabetes...is she really trying to kill him OR is he trying to trap her some way...remember stefano always holds all the cards....it wouldnt surprise me if hes not setting her up for a grande replay of the chloe insident to prove somethng or make certain of some fact not yet revealed...would killer kate save stefano if she had the oppertunity?

lucas...as much as i tend to believe he and sami are fated to be together i just dont see it happening now, mainly because he is always falling off the wagon for stupid stuff..ok so everyione but him knew about chloe and daniel...no brainer there he knew chloe had a rep for being a mini town slut...killer kate trying to kill her..ok no need to drink yourself into a stupor over that..disown mommy dearest and thank god she didnt have a chance to successfully kill sami or anyone else you ever dated..he has a grown kid in will watching his immature behavior..and he got custody of allie??? wonder what judge killer kate bribed for that one

id like to see rafe and sami try to be a couple but somehow i dont see that working for long and i dont know why lol i dont see her ever getting with ej again, he might care for her but she doesnt care for him and hasnt for a long time

carly and bo will be something to see with hopes stupidity she didnt do anything but drive a wedge between her and bo and with carly back in the picture she might have lost bo for a while and its all her own doing...even justin told her to go after him because she might lose him and she didnt listen. hopes entire reason for the seperation is insanely stupid..i side with bo totally on this and her being a cop she should know that paying any kidnapper doesnt guarentee the kids return alive...bo did the right thing...ciara is home and safe and very much alive she should be glad of that not punish bo for the way he made it happen

anyway thats it for me for now cant wait for everything to come out!

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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

I think the fact that Sami interrupts EJ and Nicole's argument will be all the proof she needs to see that he had no clue that Nicole faked her pregnancy and definitely had nothing to do with it. The SOW article goes on to say when EJ asks if he can keep Johnny that night Sami recognizes he is at a very low point and obliges.
Sounds to me like she'll be sympathetic and understanding after he confides in her.
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I think that if ej finds out sami was at bakers clinic at the same time nicole was he may be the one that figures out the baby switch.
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magicsteacher
Oct 2 2009, 11:15 AM
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Sep 30 2009, 08:24 PM
This is gonna be awesome when it all blows up! Ari is going to do incredible in these scenes. Even though this lie is huge, Nicole still looks way better than Sami.
Yet everybody thinks that EJ should forgive Sami so they can get back together, but not Nicole? That's what I don't get.
Not everyone. Not even most.
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Oct 2 2009, 10:09 AM
I wonder if EJ will put together the fact that Tony knew about the switch and was trying to tell him before he died, and EJ might also blame Nic on killing Tony (who I really think was Andre, but we just wont go there....)????
Just as I expected, so many deep, deep lies and people murdered over the secret and we get "Oh, E.J. really loves her." He'll keep her anyway. We have one word for a guy like that where I come from. It is called putz. He can blow off all the steam onscreen that the writers care to deliver. His character lost his cojones the day he went out to get a latte for poor Nicole whilst he knew Samantha was being hunted down by the assassin Stephano clearly hired to kill the Mayor so Abe could get the job. Did he even think to protect the mother of his child? No, he was too busy painting Nicole's toenails. Just put him in a tutu and be done with it. I am so over this crap. Keep Rafe unconscious, put Stephanie back in the morgue drawer, and let E.J. have a wife that has proven again and again that she will do anything to anybody to get what she wants. He deserves no better at this point. He and Brady can have a duel over her. Because we all know that there is nothing more attractive to a man that a woman that is a former porn star, attempted murderer, a thief, and of course a baby stealer. So of course she has the two hottest guys on the show swooning over her. Why? Because men are stupid according to Dena Higley. And Nicole is so irresistible. :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Ges, thank you for saying what I have been thinking forever!!!!! If EJ really wants her he can have her because the EJ that I know and love, who is smart and devious, must be really gone for good. :'( :'(
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Oct 3 2009, 02:30 PM
Ges, thank you for saying what I have been thinking forever!!!!! If EJ really wants her he can have her because the EJ that I know and love, who is smart and devious, must be really gone for good. :'( :'(
I disagree. I think the real EJ is coming back and that his fans have been heard. There is a reason that Rafe is out of the picture. EJ is starting to piece things together. Maybe once he tells Sami, she will start to piece some too. Ali did say that the wrath of Sami will be great on Nicole. Maybe TPTB heard the Days fans and are allowing our characters (namely Sydney's parents) to figure out the truth about their baby. Here's hoping, at least.....
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I think JS said that EJ could forgive Nicole because he loves her is just James Scott's wishful thinking. He just likes acting against Ari more than Alison, but it just doesn't make sense. Sami kept his baby's existence from him to protect their child from Stefano's influence (the man who hired a hitman to try and kill her!). Nicole lied about losing his child, kidnapped his other child from another woman, let him grieve for a child that wasn't even his... all for her own personal gain. How can he still love her after that? But I guess DOOL doesn't have to make sense.
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Marian
Oct 3 2009, 10:28 PM
I think JS said that EJ could forgive Nicole because he loves her is just James Scott's wishful thinking. He just likes acting against Ari more than Alison, but it just doesn't make sense.
It absolutely amazes me how people can take an abbreviated comment from an article about what is showing currently on screen and leap to the conclusion it's what the actor wants/prefers and it's because he likes one screen partner better than another. Where in the world does that even come from? Has JS EVER been quoted as stating a preference? Is so, I'd love to see it.

The line was in response to the question "Could" EJ forgive Nicole and his answer, if you read the entire article, was clearly referring to specifically what EJ knows at this point in the story. He goes on to say that what Nicole did (faking the pregnancy and 'adopting' a baby to pass off as their own) was not done with malice, but was indeed a very, very poor choice. But the worst of her crimes he is unaware of - he has no idea she has stolen Sami (and EJ's) baby, no clue that she stood silently next to him watching him grieve for a child she knew wasn't his, nor that she is now willing to allow him to believe this daughter he has come to adore isn't truly his - when that's not the truth at all. The full article ends with saying something like he will be singing a different tune when the rest of the truth comes out.
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Oct 3 2009, 11:34 PM
Marian
Oct 3 2009, 10:28 PM
I think JS said that EJ could forgive Nicole because he loves her is just James Scott's wishful thinking. He just likes acting against Ari more than Alison, but it just doesn't make sense.
It absolutely amazes me how people can take an abbreviated comment from an article about what is showing currently on screen and leap to the conclusion it's what the actor wants/prefers and it's because he likes one screen partner better than another. Where in the world does that even come from? Has JS EVER been quoted as stating a preference? Is so, I'd love to see it.

The line was in response to the question "Could" EJ forgive Nicole and his answer, if you read the entire article, was clearly referring to specifically what EJ knows at this point in the story. He goes on to say that what Nicole did (faking the pregnancy and 'adopting' a baby to pass off as their own) was not done with malice, but was indeed a very, very poor choice. But the worst of her crimes he is unaware of - he has no idea she has stolen Sami (and EJ's) baby, no clue that she stood silently next to him watching him grieve for a child she knew wasn't his, nor that she is now willing to allow him to believe this daughter he has come to adore isn't truly his - when that's not the truth at all. The full article ends with saying something like he will be singing a different tune when the rest of the truth comes out.
I did read that article, but it was a few months ago, and I honestly cannot remember where it was. When JS was talking about that, he was talking about characters, tho, not actresses. I remember that one of things he brought out was that he and Ari looked better together b/c of the fact that Ari is taller than Ali; he also brought out the fact that he could be himself more with Nicole than he could with Sami b/c Sami is not willing to accept the dark side of him and Nicole is.

And I do agree, EJ is willing to forgive Nicole now, b/c he doesn't know the extent of what she has really done. Right now she can plead her case of being the loving wife and only wanting what she thought he wanted. When he finds out the entire truth, tho, I doubt that forgiveness will continue.
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I have the article..this is the direct quote...

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But can EJ forgive her?
"Yes he really loves her," says Scott. "it was a poor choice but it wasn't malicious. Does it make her a horrible person? No. She made a very, very, poor choice and she had to deal with some of fallout from that. She got herself into a situation where she really didn't have a choice but to keep on fighting; otherwise, she was losing everything she was trying to protect."


No where does he qualify that his opinion is in reference to the first part of the reveal or the last or any part. The writer asks him if his character can forgive Nicole...he said YES.

Now thats the actor's opinion of what he knows about the SL....not what EJ knows so far. The actor has knowledge of what's going to happen, so based on his knowledge, he stated his opinion of what his character MAY do/feel.

Do I take his word as gospel...no, but some fans like to constantly annoy others by repeating his quotes when it suits their fanbase purposes, while IGNORE quotes and misinterpret them and judge others as being wrong when they don't like what an actor says.

It's not fun posting when you have people bulling others to see it their way and that their opinions are wrong.

Unless you are a head writer/exec producer, you dont know what going to happen in the show.

I used to like to discuss topics here, but let's call a spade a spade, if your fave character/couple interfere with ejami...then be prepared to be attacked.

This has happened with Lucas, Nicole, and now its happening with Rafe.

I dont know what's going to happen, I'm going to enjoy my couple until I can't....that's all I can do.

(And as for the ignore feature...tried that...doesn't really work when people quote the person...LOL)
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i have to say, i'm very confused as to why nicole doesn't call ej's bluff and demand he do a paternity test on the baby, thus proving she belongs to ej. if push comes to shove and ej demands a meternity test for some reason, surely nicole could manage to procure some of sami's dna.
i guess i just don't get why she just doesn't either a) tell him the baby is his and sami's or b) insist the baby is his and prove that she is via dna tests. i guess i just think ej would be more forgiving if she told him the whole story--of how she overheard sami saying that her baby was a mistake, and that she planned on leaving her in a convent until she got her story straight. not that excuses what nicole did, but i could see ej understanding why she did what she did, consdering what he himself has done in the past to get what he wants. in short, telling ej the truth could really only help her. letting him think that she duped him into taking on a child that isn't his just makes her look worse.

the only way i can make any sense of this is the idea that perhaps nicole has come to love sydney more than she loves ej, and is willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that she gets to keep her. i'm sure the ejami fans will make the argument that nicole is doing all this out of spite for sami, but that doesn't make sense based on how their friendship has been written lately.
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Oct 4 2009, 11:23 AM
I have the article..this is the direct quote...

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But can EJ forgive her?
"Yes he really loves her," says Scott. "it was a poor choice but it wasn't malicious. Does it make her a horrible person? No. She made a very, very, poor choice and she had to deal with some of fallout from that. She got herself into a situation where she really didn't have a choice but to keep on fighting; otherwise, she was losing everything she was trying to protect."


No where does he qualify that his opinion is in reference to the first part of the reveal or the last or any part. The writer asks him if his character can forgive Nicole...he said YES.

Now thats the actor's opinion of what he knows about the SL....not what EJ knows so far. The actor has knowledge of what's going to happen, so based on his knowledge, he stated his opinion of what his character MAY do/feel.

Do I take his word as gospel...no, but some fans like to constantly annoy others by repeating his quotes when it suits their fanbase purposes, while IGNORE quotes and misinterpret them and judge others as being wrong when they don't like what an actor says.

It's not fun posting when you have people bulling others to see it their way and that their opinions are wrong.

Unless you are a head writer/exec producer, you dont know what going to happen in the show.

I used to like to discuss topics here, but let's call a spade a spade, if your fave character/couple interfere with ejami...then be prepared to be attacked.


This has happened with Lucas, Nicole, and now its happening with Rafe.

I dont know what's going to happen, I'm going to enjoy my couple until I can't....that's all I can do.

(And as for the ignore feature...tried that...doesn't really work when people quote the person...LOL)
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Holy shit, Liz! You have summed up so much of what I have been thinking! Awesome post! :iloveyou:
Edited by Alligato, Oct 4 2009, 12:07 PM.
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Alligato
Oct 4 2009, 12:05 PM
Liz<3Days
Oct 4 2009, 11:23 AM
I have the article..this is the direct quote...

Quote:
 
But can EJ forgive her?
"Yes he really loves her," says Scott. "it was a poor choice but it wasn't malicious. Does it make her a horrible person? No. She made a very, very, poor choice and she had to deal with some of fallout from that. She got herself into a situation where she really didn't have a choice but to keep on fighting; otherwise, she was losing everything she was trying to protect."


No where does he qualify that his opinion is in reference to the first part of the reveal or the last or any part. The writer asks him if his character can forgive Nicole...he said YES.

Now thats the actor's opinion of what he knows about the SL....not what EJ knows so far. The actor has knowledge of what's going to happen, so based on his knowledge, he stated his opinion of what his character MAY do/feel.

Do I take his word as gospel...no, but some fans like to constantly annoy others by repeating his quotes when it suits their fanbase purposes, while IGNORE quotes and misinterpret them and judge others as being wrong when they don't like what an actor says.

It's not fun posting when you have people bulling others to see it their way and that their opinions are wrong.

Unless you are a head writer/exec producer, you dont know what going to happen in the show.

I used to like to discuss topics here, but let's call a spade a spade, if your fave character/couple interfere with ejami...then be prepared to be attacked.


This has happened with Lucas, Nicole, and now its happening with Rafe.

I dont know what's going to happen, I'm going to enjoy my couple until I can't....that's all I can do.

(And as for the ignore feature...tried that...doesn't really work when people quote the person...LOL)
:applause: :applause:
Holy shit, Liz! You have summed up so much of what I have been thinking! Awesome post! :iloveyou:
I would say that Ejami fans get the medal for being bashed - by all fanbases, and constantly.
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Liz<3Days
Oct 4 2009, 11:23 AM
I have the article..this is the direct quote...

Quote:
 
But can EJ forgive her?
"Yes he really loves her," says Scott. "it was a poor choice but it wasn't malicious. Does it make her a horrible person? No. She made a very, very, poor choice and she had to deal with some of fallout from that. She got herself into a situation where she really didn't have a choice but to keep on fighting; otherwise, she was losing everything she was trying to protect."


No where does he qualify that his opinion is in reference to the first part of the reveal or the last or any part. The writer asks him if his character can forgive Nicole...he said YES.

Now thats the actor's opinion of what he knows about the SL....not what EJ knows so far. The actor has knowledge of what's going to happen, so based on his knowledge, he stated his opinion of what his character MAY do/feel.

Do I take his word as gospel...no, but some fans like to constantly annoy others by repeating his quotes when it suits their fanbase purposes, while IGNORE quotes and misinterpret them and judge others as being wrong when they don't like what an actor says.

It's not fun posting when you have people bulling others to see it their way and that their opinions are wrong.

Unless you are a head writer/exec producer, you dont know what going to happen in the show.

I used to like to discuss topics here, but let's call a spade a spade, if your fave character/couple interfere with ejami...then be prepared to be attacked.

This has happened with Lucas, Nicole, and now its happening with Rafe.

I dont know what's going to happen, I'm going to enjoy my couple until I can't....that's all I can do.

(And as for the ignore feature...tried that...doesn't really work when people quote the person...LOL)
I couldn't agree more with your post! Thanks for putting into black and white what is so obvious. :hail: :applause: :hail: :applause:
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.

Liz<3Days
Oct 4 2009, 11:23 AM
I have the article..this is the direct quote...

Quote:
 
But can EJ forgive her?
"Yes he really loves her," says Scott. "it was a poor choice but it wasn't malicious. Does it make her a horrible person? No. She made a very, very, poor choice and she had to deal with some of fallout from that. She got herself into a situation where she really didn't have a choice but to keep on fighting; otherwise, she was losing everything she was trying to protect."


No where does he qualify that his opinion is in reference to the first part of the reveal or the last or any part. The writer asks him if his character can forgive Nicole...he said YES.

Now thats the actor's opinion of what he knows about the SL....not what EJ knows so far. The actor has knowledge of what's going to happen, so based on his knowledge, he stated his opinion of what his character MAY do/feel.

Do I take his word as gospel...no, but some fans like to constantly annoy others by repeating his quotes when it suits their fanbase purposes, while IGNORE quotes and misinterpret them and judge others as being wrong when they don't like what an actor says.

It's not fun posting when you have people bulling others to see it their way and that their opinions are wrong.

Unless you are a head writer/exec producer, you dont know what going to happen in the show.

I used to like to discuss topics here, but let's call a spade a spade, if your fave character/couple interfere with ejami...then be prepared to be attacked.

This has happened with Lucas, Nicole, and now its happening with Rafe.

I dont know what's going to happen, I'm going to enjoy my couple until I can't....that's all I can do.

(And as for the ignore feature...tried that...doesn't really work when people quote the person...LOL)
The entire article is talking about where the story is right now. The writer, the actors - it's all about what it playing out on screen that week. I happen to agree with the quote from JS at this point in the story. It does make sense to me that EJ would feel like he 'could' eventually forgive Nicole because he has no idea the depths of her deception. EJ does feel like he loves Nicole at this point - he's worked so hard to convince himself and only seems to have recently managed it if his confession to her on the plane to Paris is any indication. But despite all of that, he knew in his heart of hearts that she can't be trusted. At this point, he figures he already knows the worst and will have to work through that. Imagine when the entire truth comes out? Whatever happens between now and then is basically filler until he finds out the depths of her deception and how willing she's been to allow him to suffer and grieve - twice now - rather than put herself in harms way.

Of course he didn't qualify whether he's talking about now or later - why would he? We haven't seen what will happen later - but even the article's closing line is

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Chances are, he'll be singing a different tune when the whole truth comes out.


I happen to wholeheartedly agree with that statement, too.

Calling a spade a spade is seeing that it works both ways. EJami and EJami fans are attacked all the time. Some people love them, some don't. :shrug: I've posted in countless threads on a variety of topics, not mentioning EJ and more times than I can count someone will respond with "Well...what about EJ and how he's so...blah, blah, blah". I'm not even discussing EJ or EJami or anything about them - yet others bring up their dislike of the character or pairing to prop their argument, presumably because they know I'm a EJami fan (not too hard to figure out just based on my avi and banner :lol: ) Do I get upset about it? No. Does it make posting here less fun for me? Nope. It is what it is. I enjoy the opportunity to discuss the show here and elsewhere and most times I find the posters to be respectful, even when we disagree. It did take me some time to get used to what is considered acceptable vs. what isn't here - but I find as long as we stick to the show, the characters, the actors and not make it personal it's all good. I don't see that as bullying. Apparently you do.
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luvpumpkns
Oct 4 2009, 12:00 PM
i have to say, i'm very confused as to why nicole doesn't call ej's bluff and demand he do a paternity test on the baby, thus proving she belongs to ej. if push comes to shove and ej demands a meternity test for some reason, surely nicole could manage to procure some of sami's dna.
i guess i just don't get why she just doesn't either a) tell him the baby is his and sami's or b) insist the baby is his and prove that she is via dna tests. i guess i just think ej would be more forgiving if she told him the whole story--of how she overheard sami saying that her baby was a mistake, and that she planned on leaving her in a convent until she got her story straight. not that excuses what nicole did, but i could see ej understanding why she did what she did, consdering what he himself has done in the past to get what he wants. in short, telling ej the truth could really only help her. letting him think that she duped him into taking on a child that isn't his just makes her look worse.

the only way i can make any sense of this is the idea that perhaps nicole has come to love sydney more than she loves ej, and is willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that she gets to keep her. i'm sure the ejami fans will make the argument that nicole is doing all this out of spite for sami, but that doesn't make sense based on how their friendship has been written lately.
I agree - if Nicole were to tell EJ the truth NOW she would stand a much better chance of having him forgive her for all of it. The fact that she isn't is what convinces me all the more that this is ultimately the EJami story.

I don't think Nicole did what she did necessarily to spite Sami - I think that was part of it at first, but I think Grace's death and watching Sami suffer through that did have a strong impact on Nicole. Not strong enough to step up immediately and do the right thing in regard to reuniting her with her daughter...but enough that she felt sympathetic and even some guilt.

But in the end, whether she loves EJ and/or Sydney it seems that Nicole is willing to risk having them both suffer - EJ thinking he's lost another two children (the one she miscarried as well as the one he believed (rightfully) was his daughter, but now thinks is not) and Sydney being forced from their home and potentially embroiled in a custody battle with a teenager who mistakenly believes he is her father.

Nicole has dug her hole so deep and so far she doesn't see any other option than to just keep digging - no matter what it does to the people she supposedly loves. Were it not for Ari's brilliant performances it would be difficult to have any sympathy at all for her but Ari has made the character so compelling that it's hard not to feel bad for her, even as she continues down the same destructive path.
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