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Weekly Discussion; 10/12 - 10/16
Topic Started: Oct 11 2009, 06:20 PM (13,760 Views)
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Kenny
Oct 12 2009, 09:06 PM
Ohhhh! I also loved this line from Kate to Chloe.

"I just wish you could slip back into that coma and die. No one would miss you. Not even your fiancée once he gets to know something about you other than the fact that you're willing to have sex 24/7."

Hilarous!
What else could possibly bring Bo and Hope at odds that wouldn't be forced? This is realistic and stems from the characters and their history. they never did solve their issues stemming from Zack's death. That was one of the things Hogan disappointed me on at the time. He only resolved the Hope and Chelsea conflict. Bo and Hope never really talked things out and worked through everything. It was all kind of slept under the rug because they had to deal with the ending of the Patrick stuff and Ciara being born. Then we didn't see them hardly at all for months and when they were brought back in the mix they were thrown into the Brady/Dimera stuff. The issues were never truly worked out and that is why I am glad the show has had both Bo and Hope allude to that fact. I hope the show continues to mention the issue of Zack's death going forward.

Also, Bo and Hope have ALWAYS had trust issues going back to when they first got together in the 80's. He was always keeping her in the dark about things because he felt it was best or that she couldn't handle it and Hope has ALWAYS acted like an extreme bitch when she didn't like how he handled something or when he kept something from her. What is happening now is not out of character for either of them. In fact, it's about time the show use the internal conflict that has always existed to further story between them. I'm so excited they finally are and the best part is you have two past characters in Justin and Carly that share chemistry with the both of them and that are likable so fans can deal with them possibly being paired with them, especially Carly and Bo who have fans and are very popular.

The Ciara kidnapping situation brought all their issues to the surface and here you have a story that is driven by the characters of Bo and Hope and the conflict that exists between them. It's a good soap story. Nothing is being forced. Neither Justin or Carly has any romantic interest in Hope or Bo right now. It's all being played naturally and set up beautifully.

I also disagree about Chloe and Nicole's friendship. Yes, it was forced at the beginning but it's been well over a year since they first became friends so I've come to accept them. They have enough in common, not that it matters. I have friends I barely have anything in common with. I don't think it matters much. They bonded over hating Sami in the beginning and they both also bonded over the difficult love lives they both had. There is plenty there to bring them together and have them be friends. They've both been through alot this year and supported each other so their friendship is pretty much solidified now.

Couldn't agree more about Kate. It's awesome having her in the mansion. Loved her scenes with EJ and her fight with Chloe. I also enjoyed the Lucas and Chloe talk. I'm glad they played up the Chloe/Allie relationship and the effect the split had on her.

I'm very happy with how the Carly return has played out. It's not rushed or forced. It has been paced wonderfully so new fans can get used to her. I enjoyed her scenes with Omar and the flashbacks were great. Glad we got a Nicholas mention too. Bo and Victor and Justin and Hope had some great scenes too.

That last scene with Nicole and EJ was fantastic. I love how she left in tears and you saw him looking upset after closing the door and the way the camera just panned back before the scene faded out. Beautiful and effective scene right there. Very emotional. I also loved the way Nicole's expression changed when she noticed the luggage when she walked in the mansion. She was so hopeful and that shook her up but she went right back to being hopeful when EJ came downstairs because she just can't bare to give up.

Just a wonderful episode. The show is just amazing right now.
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DrewHamilton
Oct 12 2009, 09:46 PM
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Oct 12 2009, 09:24 PM
I also disagree about Chloe and Nicole's friendship. Yes, it was forced at the beginning but it's been well over a year since they first became friends so I've come to accept them. They have enough in common, not that it matters. I have friends I barely have anything in common with. I don't think it matters much. They bonded over hating Sami in the beginning and they both also bonded over the difficult love lives they both had. There is plenty there to bring them together and have them be friends. They've both been through alot this year and supported each other so their friendship is pretty much solidified now.
I have to disagree. Nicole and Chloe's friendship still seems forced and unnatural to me. When they're in scenes together, they both seem so fake. And I wouldn't mind them being civil towards each other for the simple reason that they've both done so many things that make other citizens frown that they really don't have each other. That's why I really didn't mind their friendship in the beginning because that's how it was played. Yes, they shared a mutual disliking of Sami, but they also turned to each other because there was no one else. Their scenes did come off forced, and that was the point back then. The writers gave them dialogue that made mention of how fake they were being towards each other. Neither really trusted the other or liked the other, but they came together and supported each other because they had no one else. They were frenemies and I liked it. But now, that's not the case. These two are actually friends and I can't believe for one second Chloe, who is one of the most spiteful bitches in DAYS history, would forgive Nicole for everything she did to keep her and Brady apart.
I won't deny you make good points but, as I said, it's been a year. I've come to accept the fact that they are friends now and that the awkwardness and tension is gone now after all they've helped each other through in the past year. And I can see Chloe forgiving Nicole and letting it all go because of what she did to Brady while they were married. Chloe felt she deserved to be punished for the problems she and Brady had and his dissent into drugs and alcohol and felt enormous guilt. She was no longer in a position to judge Nicole so, in that case, I can buy her forgiving Nicole. That is especially true now considering what Chloe has done in the past year. They are both screwed up. It works IMO. I won't deny that it's forced but I can buy it and have come to look forward to their scenes. Maybe it's because I've just gotten used to it but there are reasons there that make it work IM
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Oct 12 2009, 10:06 PM
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Oct 12 2009, 09:24 PM
What else could possibly bring Bo and Hope at odds that wouldn't be forced? This is realistic and stems from the characters and their history. they never did solve their issues stemming from Zack's death. That was one of the things Hogan disappointed me on at the time. He only resolved the Hope and Chelsea conflict. Bo and Hope never really talked things out and worked through everything. It was all kind of slept under the rug because they had to deal with the ending of the Patrick stuff and Ciara being born. Then we didn't see them hardly at all for months and when they were brought back in the mix they were thrown into the Brady/Dimera stuff. The issues were never truly worked out and that is why I am glad the show has had both Bo and Hope allude to that fact. I hope the show continues to mention the issue of Zack's death going forward.

Also, Bo and Hope have ALWAYS had trust issues going back to when they first got together in the 80's. He was always keeping her in the dark about things because he felt it was best or that she couldn't handle it and Hope has ALWAYS acted like an extreme bitch when she didn't like how he handled something or when he kept something from her. What is happening now is not out of character for either of them. In fact, it's about time the show use the internal conflict that has always existed to further story between them. I'm so excited they finally are and the best part is you have two past characters in Justin and Carly that share chemistry with the both of them and that are likable so fans can deal with them possibly being paired with them, especially Carly and Bo who have fans and are very popular.

The Ciara kidnapping situation brought all their issues to the surface and here you have a story that is driven by the characters of Bo and Hope and the conflict that exists between them. It's a good soap story. Nothing is being forced. Neither Justin or Carly has any romantic interest in Hope or Bo right now. It's all being played naturally and set up beautifully.






.......... I love how she left in tears and you saw him looking upset after closing the door and the way the camera just panned back before the scene faded out.
I'm not really crazy about Justin getting mixed in there because I'm already tired of his shit eatin grin and that an interloper seems to always have to stir the pot but other than that it's a great issue for Bope. Your second paragraph is EXACTLY Bope's fundamental issue that causes problems in their relationship.


They did a good job with having the camera pan back!
I don't consider Justin an interloper. The way they are using him is merely as a friend of Bo and Hope's that is trying to help them. However, they aren't really listening and he's found himself in a position to take sides at times. It's very good conflict and I don't think interloper when I see Justin. It's clear they will toy with a Justin/Hope pairing but, to me, an interloper is one who has intentions toward breaking up a couple or one that wants someone who is in love with someone else. Justin does not have any intentions nor does he want Hope. That is what makes this great. It's realistic, character-driven conflict and you can see all sides and no one is really the bad guy. Even Hope, who is really out of control with what she is doing, can't be considered the bad guy because she's being driven by her love for Ciara and her fears of something happening to her.

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Amello
Oct 12 2009, 10:34 PM
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Oct 12 2009, 10:30 PM
Kenny
Oct 12 2009, 10:29 PM
DrewHamilton
Oct 12 2009, 10:26 PM
Doesn't matter if it's been a year or five. I just can't buy a real friendship between Chloe and Nicole no matter how much they've been through together. They're so much better as enemies, and I really hope something happens that ends their friendship and turns them back to enemies. That would be awesome!
I agree. What's the purpose of their friendship anyway? It's awkward, it doesn't benefit their stories in any way and it deprives us of some potentially awesome Nicole vs. Chloe sniping scenes.
There's no other female in their age range besides Sami, and don't even get me started on Sami and Nicole's newfound "friendship."
I don't mind that Nicole and Chloe have become real friends. For me, it started out as you said, frenemies you shared their hatred of Sami. I think another aspect of it is that both had so many other problems, both knew hating each other was useless and seemed ridiculous. Especially given the fact that everything Nicole "did" to Chloe was at Chloe's urging.
I agree. It makes perfect sense to me. I won't argue that the relationship was forced but I no longer think about it anymore. Again, it's probably because I got used to it. I disagree that there is no story benefit to it. Through their friendship, we've found out about how each is feeling about their particular situations. Not to mention, Nicole learned that Sami was pregnant from Chloe back in January which led to the baby switch so there you go.

As for Sami and Nicole, I don't mind the relationship. It's not like it became that way overnight. It was gradual. Nicole softened toward Sami slowly during the spring and then Grace died and the guilt crept in. She then risked everything to help Sami see Johnny and got EJ to not take Johnny away from Sami so that changed everything. Sami saw that Sydney had changed Nicole and Nicole helped her deal with Grace's death. It's clear why they would come together. Everyone around them questioned their friendship and even Sami didn't seem to understand it. Besides, most of it was driven by Nicole out of guilt. You never saw Sami going and visiting Nicole or calling her unless she wanted something. It was always Nicole going to see Sami. It was all the guilt talking. Sami IMO more or less humored her and went with it because of all Nicole had done for her but I don't think Sami thought of them as bed buds or anything. Sami always mentioned how good Nicole was to her but she never really acted like they were best friends.
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Oct 12 2009, 10:53 PM
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Oct 12 2009, 10:12 PM
an interloper is one who has intentions toward breaking up a couple or one that wants someone who is in love with someone else.
Ok, maybe I just dont know the definition of "interloper". I agree that he's not acting like he's hot for Hope but you can tell they are going to have some sort of moment where their friendship crosses into the inappropriate. It would be nice if for once they didn't have a triangle or quadrangle as the obstacle. Maybe I'm wrong and they will remain completely platonic but I will be very surprised.
Oh, I'm sure it will go beyond platonic down the road but the difference is that this time it would be natural. Providing they continue to play it as they have, Justin would not be looking for romance with Hope and it would just happen. Same goes for Carly and Bo. That is what will make this work. If you have a story where no one is in the wrong and it's just driven my emotions, it works. That is what soaps are all about. The best and most complex triangles and quads are the ones where all parties are likable and we could have that here providing nothing changes.
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Matt
Oct 13 2009, 01:00 PM
I absolutely love how the Carly story has crossed over and dovetailed into the Rafe/Sami/babyswitch storyline. That's just classic soap opera that we don't see much anymore. These days, storylines tend to be so islanded and isolated, so to have Carly already involved in another storyline besides the Lawrence murder (and she hasn't even hit Salem yet) is a treat.
I agree. That is just great soap writing, especially since Rafe is a familiar character to fans so those who don't know Carly can get a chance to know her through Rafe as opposed to a stranger. I like Omar but using Rafe to educate fans further on who Carly is great and very effective. It will endear her to Rafe fans too because she is saving their man.

You can tell Days has really planned things out this time with the recent returns. Justin and now Carly have been worked in wonderfully. They involved them with current characters and integrated them slowly without forcing them on people. I expect Vivian's return to be handled the same because ever since Tomlin and Whitesell came on board the show has had a long-term vision and plan, which is what the show needed more then anything else. They stuck to the plan and that is the biggest thing. It shows that Corday is not putting his nose where it doesn't belong. As long as that happens, I think the show will do fine. The show always is better when Corday leaves things alone.
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Matt
Oct 14 2009, 09:36 PM
And major props to Days for the cliffhanger today! On a Wednesday! That was a Friday cliffhanger if I ever saw one (of course, no one even does good cliffhangers any more on a Friday). Now I really want to tune in to see if Chad spills to EJ. I'm actually really getting back into Days and I haven't seriously watched religiously and been *really* into it in years.
I agree.

The fakeouts don't bother me. They bothered me during JER's runs but that is because the dialogue was shit. The dialogue is better now so it makes it tolerable for me. Sure, there are moments where I roll my eyes but it's a soap opera. It added to the suspense and I do think a fan can sense when a real payoff is coming. Whenever things finally seem calm and seem to be going right...that is when all hell breaks loose so it's easy to see coming if you've watched soaps long enough.

As for bringing Frankie back, I like the idea but I don't think it would help. The Frankie/Carly history may just be too much for current fans. It's complicated and I remember Warlock made it very clear when he returned the last time that he wanted to stay away from that aspect of his character. I also doubt Warlock would come back because he got burnt the last time. He basically returned under the premise that he would have nothing to do with J&J as far as a triangle goes and that he ended up in a triangle anyway. I don't see the show asking him back anyway. The only reason he came back before was because JER needed someone to come between J&J and Frankie worked because he was likable.

Today's show was great. Loved the end scene with Chad/EJ and the Nicole/Mia/Chad scenes. The show is on one hell of a roll right now.
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Mason
Oct 14 2009, 11:36 PM
I'm watching Tuesday's episode right now, and I just don't get this one thing. If Meredith dumped Rafe into the river (or wherever) before Carly even left Morocco, how in the hell did Rafe manage to stay alive for all that time? It's ridiculous.
I would agree if the show had not left it ambiguous. For all we know, Rafe could've been hanging on to something in the water. He was in and out of consciousness before being dumped in the water. He was weak but he could've found something.

You do have to suspend disbelief. I had difficult with it too LOL. It was a day in Salem time so they have done worse :laugh: .

As for Meredith, she was in such a rush and I think she figured that with all the time shes knocked him out that he would just drown.
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sungrey
Oct 16 2009, 08:22 AM
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Oct 15 2009, 12:55 PM
my god Hope such a freaking bitch
Isn't she now? I sat there yesterday saying "YOU RESOLVED THESE THINGS ALREADY!" It's almost like Dena and Chris want to dredge the shit up again just to create conflict.

I sure hope this story works, but so far it's not promising.
When did they resolve the Zack issues? Hell, when did they resolve any of their trust issues in the past? All we ever get is a few talks. Bo and Hope never really even got a big reconciliation after the Zack stuff. They just sort of drifted back together. That was the one thing Sheffer majorly disappointed me on. There was no resolution at all. They didn't even properly resolve the Hope/Chelsea/Billie conflict. They just had Hope suddenly bury the hatchet because it was Christmas and felt guilty. The performances of Melvin and Alfonso made the Chelsea/Hope mending of fences work but it all should've happened gradually. The show rush jobbed all of it and then Ciara was born and all of it got dropped.

The show has every right to bring all this out and it sucks that it wasn't addressed in the first place but, in a way, it sort of works out. Sometimes that happens in a marriage. Circumstances make you put aside and bury your problems but they always come back to haunt you. You can't avoid them. This is the most realistic marriage conflict story Days has had in eons and it actually stems from the characters and their history. It's not forced at all and I'm glad the show put in those scenes yesterday because it laid everything out for the audience.

Edited by PhoenixRising05, Oct 16 2009, 08:30 AM.
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