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| The Soapgeist: Nov. 3, 2009; 'Y&R' is simply unwatchable! | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 3 2009, 03:57 PM (1,309 Views) | |
| cassie1013 | Nov 4 2009, 01:48 AM Post #16 |
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Agreed, this show is shit. The Adam-baby situation is so un-Y&R, that it's laughable. Seriously, what is this...days of our lives? LoL. And Nick looks like the biggest douche around. He has no depth whatsoever, bouncing from Phyllis to Sharon without a thought. It's totally ridiculous...we all know he loves Sharon, so lets just be on with it already. Crikey! |
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| MEK | Nov 4 2009, 07:57 AM Post #17 |
 
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Good point Kenny. When things are going well MAB is lauded. When things are falling apart the finger is pointed elsewhere usually at Paul Rauch or at Hogan Sheffer(?) or Sony or CBS for intefering with MAB's "creativity." MAB is not only the head writer she is the co-executive producer. The buck stops with her and she should be held accountable for the awful situation at Y&R. |
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| MTSRocks | Nov 4 2009, 12:56 PM Post #18 |
 
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Unpopular opinion, but I think Y&R is getting better (return to business for instance). The word "boring" tells me that. When Y&R is dull, it's usually because it is in a transitional stage, and old stories are wrapping up, while new ones are being set up. You see, the Y&R during the late Spring and Summer months wasn't boring. It was just nonsensical, plot driven shit (IMO), yet, some people found that entertaining. Btw, why does everyone want to see Adam get caught? Yes, he did horrible things, but who hasn't on the cast? For goodness sakes, people wanted SHEILA CARTER rehabilitated back into Genoa City. I think fans disdain for Adam has more to do with the re-cast, and the fact that he wasn't written to the way that certain viewers believe he should be written; same thing with Billy Abbott (however his overexposure is getting tiring) The whole moral outrage of the "burn fetus" is such a silly argument to me. We didn't see anything, and it's another case of making a big deal about nothing. I'd still like to see changes behind the scene, but I don't know if Y&R can do another regime change. That would be too much. Simple solution is trimming the fat, and making a more cohesive backstage environment. Now, that it seems like the "big" SONY negotiations are over, I'd like to see what MAB does. She really doesn't have excuses any more, and actors keep praising her (specifically). So we'll see.... |
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| MTSRocks | Nov 4 2009, 12:59 PM Post #19 |
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The reason why MAB gets praise, while the other two don't (IMO) is because Hogan Sheffer, Paul Raunch, and Scott Hamner have a record of pulling this shit; while MAB is still relatively new, and has shown genuine concern for Y&R and daytime. However, all four are equally responsible. |
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| brimike | Nov 4 2009, 01:35 PM Post #20 |
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great post, mtsrocks! I still see a great many problems, but compared to July and August, it does feel more like Y&R now. It's a step in the right direction. A long way to go still, but like you said, at least it's got that "slow build" feeling that Y&R used to be famous for, as opposed to plot points being thrown at you so fast and furious you get whiplash, with no real logic behind them. |
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| Kenny | Nov 4 2009, 01:39 PM Post #21 |
 
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Very interesting post. You make some good points. I hope the show is in the process of making a creative turnaround. It needs it desperately. |
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| Y&RWorldTurner | Nov 4 2009, 01:53 PM Post #22 |
The Lovely Gemma Bissix
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All I see on Y&R at the moment is surface changes, with nothing really intriguing story-wise to back them up. The show doesn't have any finesse or style. It's all hollow and cold. Most storylines seem like a retread of things that have been done repeatedly over the past five years, with the same damn characters. I could also care less about Ryder and Daisy, like the show needed two more useless characters, especially younger characters. The character development on this show is awful. While things may be slowing down a bit, there is no suspense on this show. Their constant need to over pimp certain characters has also gotten annoying, and yes, Billy is tops on that list. There is nothing "familiar" about this Y&R. It's going to take a lot more than a slower pace and showing the Newman business sets for that to happen. Nothing the current writing regime at Y&R has done shows me that they get the basis of this show, and the characters of this show. They seem to be only taking things at a surface value and not really understanding the depth of it all and what these characters and their dynamics are all about. Y&R is still pretty damn unrecognizable with many huge problems. I can't honestly say I've seen anything that lets me believe things are going back on track. The day to day writing is pretty damn inconsistent and bad too. Simply put, Y&R can do much better and deserves better storylines and writers than this crap. |
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| MEK | Nov 4 2009, 02:41 PM Post #23 |
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It has been a long time since I watched another soap so I am not familiar with either Rauch's or Sheffer's track records on other soaps. Though I have heard that both of them had misogynist tendencis and wrote female characters as moronic door mats who put up with garbage from the men in their lives and male characters were written as "heroes" or "flawed characters" even when they did despicable thingsin general and to the woman involved. We are certainly seeing evidence of that on Y&R. As for Hamner I never heard of him until he showed up on Y&R. I agree with you that all four are to blame. But since MAB is the head writer and co-executive producer and was more than willing to take credit when the show was being lauded she has to be held accoutable, more so than others, when things are awful as they have been for the last year. Edited by MEK, Nov 4 2009, 03:00 PM.
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| MEK | Nov 4 2009, 02:44 PM Post #24 |
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Excellent post! I totally agree with you. |
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| Manny | Nov 4 2009, 03:43 PM Post #25 |
All of Lost secrets come out... February through May 2010!
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So I watched that GH clip. First thing I thought was, why do these people always gather for a mobster's party?! If a local mobster from my town was throwing a party, I know I wouldn't go to it... Second, why should I, as a viewer care if Sonny, the killer, is hurting? Why should I care that Claudia, a killer, is being dumped by Sonny? Anyways, these questions, I'm sure, have been asked many times. But I can't help it. I have actually realized that GH really can't be saved. They will never get rid of the mafia being front and center and mafia being "good/heroes". It's so sad... |
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| MTSRocks | Nov 4 2009, 04:04 PM Post #26 |
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Y&R does have a long way to go to "redeem" itself, I'm not disputing that. The thing is, most fans won't be happy until MAB and her crew are fired. So even if the show improved, or showed signs of promise it wouldn't matter. Once burnt it's hard to forget. It's like how I feel with Prime time shows (which are entirely different tho). For example, even if Heroes was to improve (under its current writing team), I would never go back, because I lost confidence in those writers. |
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| MEK | Nov 4 2009, 04:32 PM Post #27 |
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That is a very valid point. Speaking for myself I am so disappointed in MAB and think she has proven herself to be such a hack that I probably would have a difficult time preceiving improvement in the show with MAB at the helm. Of course if MAB had killed off the misreable old man Victor I would have changed my tune about her immediately. LOL! |
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| hunterforrester | Nov 4 2009, 06:50 PM Post #28 |
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I agree WorldTuner re — Y&R! |
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| Drew | Nov 4 2009, 09:06 PM Post #29 |
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I want Adam gone. Actually, I want Chris Engen back. Bad views or not, he was the better actor. There's no redeming the character for me, and not just because of his baby switching actions. The whole gas lighting story has been a total mess. By the time it was over, it just made no sense. And after all he's done to give Ashley a baby(why?!), he's barely interacting with Ashley anymore and now he's trying to sleep with Sharon after stealing her baby. And through all of this has been this annoying over-hyped and under-delivering recast. I just want the whole situation to go away. Edited by Drew, Nov 4 2009, 09:08 PM.
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| MichaelGL | Nov 4 2009, 09:59 PM Post #30 |
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^It's as if the writers are saying to us, Adam only has the hots for someone when he's tormenting and plotting against then, when he's actually carried out his scheme, he moves on to some other poor unsuspecting female or male. |
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