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Spoilers for wk of December 14th; *UPDATED 12/12*
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Dec 3 2009, 10:24 PM
I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
I often wonder the same thing. Sometimes I wonder if the writers read the boards and think, "They think what? Where did they get that idea?" I mean, people see these scenes so differently and I don't know if it's (just) incompetence on the part of the writers or if they intentionally want people to be able to cherry-pick whatever they want out of the show to support their fanbase arguments. I definitely know I read people's opinions all the time and think, "Huh? That isn't what happened."

The ambiguity of it all is frustrating to me and it's why at heart I will always prefer sports to any form of fictional entertainment. I like to be able to say my team won (preferably) or lost and be done with it.
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I can not stand for Sami to be the obediant naive pet


You mean like not daring to ask any questions about dead fiances and why their sister might be ticked about it? That kind of obedient? I'm right there with you - I can't stand that trait in Sami. :shame: But I have never, ever seen her that way with EJ. Obedient? Seriously??

I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
To make a promise to someone and keep it is not being someone's naive pet. She is not naive, she knows something else happen I think she thinks he'll tell her when he feels comfortable enough. He's never been in that position before and it's hard for him. And furthermore it's not wrong to want to keep the past in the past, people would understand that if they ever had a lover die. I have, so I can relate, I don't want to talk about it especially to my spouse. And I would not feel comfortable if he started bashing me with questions about him and his untimely death. And I wonder the same, I'm talking about a man who likes to attack people... physically put his hands on people... whose put his hands on Sami in anger, who's held a gun on her, whose raped her. Who gave Nicole nightmares of him murdering her. Yeah obediant, come over here and bring Sydney.... And the shit he pulled with Nicole, telling her who she could be friends with her. Questioning her every move, and the shit with Sami manipulating her into getting and stayig married to him. And since I have watched them, even though the rape scene made my eyes boil, I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
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Dec 3 2009, 10:29 PM
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Dec 3 2009, 10:24 PM
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I can not stand for Sami to be the obediant naive pet


You mean like not daring to ask any questions about dead fiances and why their sister might be ticked about it? That kind of obedient? I'm right there with you - I can't stand that trait in Sami. :shame: But I have never, ever seen her that way with EJ. Obedient? Seriously??

I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
And remember how proud Sami was that she didn't ask Rafe questions about what He had been doing? She was being a good girl for St.Rafe. :puke:
It's better than being EJ's dog, and that is the way EJ treated Nicole. He might as well had her on a leash, sit, stay, heel. This guy is a total monster... he reminds me of another guy from this show, yeah, Lawrence Alamain, here's to EJ meeting the same fate as Larry :drunk: .

And I wondering if we're watching the same show too, but then I understand, you hate Sami. It's the only explanation for wanting her with EJ, IMO, put her with Rafe or any other man on the show, in the world, in the universe... But putting her with that selfish monster, is saying I hate Sami let her get what she deserves. If Sami goes willing back to "that", may she be raped constantly night after night and chain to the dungeon wall all other times.

This guy needs a major makeover personality wise before he should be with anyone, 'I'll kill you', that's paraphrasing what he tells Nicole, as she cowers in her hospital bed.
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Dec 4 2009, 12:46 AM
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Dec 3 2009, 10:24 PM
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I can not stand for Sami to be the obediant naive pet


You mean like not daring to ask any questions about dead fiances and why their sister might be ticked about it? That kind of obedient? I'm right there with you - I can't stand that trait in Sami. :shame: But I have never, ever seen her that way with EJ. Obedient? Seriously??

I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
And remember how proud Sami was that she didn't ask Rafe questions about what He had been doing? She was being a good girl for St.Rafe. :puke:
It's better than being EJ's dog, and that is the way EJ treated Nicole. He might as well had her on a leash, sit, stay, heel. This guy is a total monster... he reminds me of another guy from this show, yeah, Lawrence Alamain, here's to EJ meeting the same fate as Larry :drunk: .

And I wondering if we're watching the same show too, but then I understand, you hate Sami. It's the only explanation for wanting with EJ, IMO, put her with Rafe or any other man on the show, in the world, in the universe... But putting her with that selfish monster, is saying I hate Sami let her get what she deserves. If Sami goes willing back to "that", make she be raped constantly night after night and chain to the dungeon wall all other times.
Ah yes. We all hate Sami because we want her with EJ. :laugh: This logic from the person who said EJ putting his hand over hers was inappropriate. And that their lovemaking scenes back in May 2008 were akin to rape. And what else..oh right, Sami has to be patient and let Rafe tell her in his own time how his fiancee died even if he's accused of killing her all the while he's living with her and her children. :sarclap: I think we're not only watching different shows I think we're on different planets.

Edited by angmc, Dec 4 2009, 01:01 AM.
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Dec 3 2009, 11:06 AM
If you have a missing child in the hands of a complete stranger and it makes you horny then you are sicker than the abductor. I can't wait to see how they try and pull that off with any sort of flow. lol. Get out t he k-y honey, our kid has spiral meningitis. sick sick sick. But then again, I have always maintained that Higley is a very disturbed person. Some day, I believe we will see her in real life, being arrested for a hideous crime beyond anything her sick mind has conjured up for our beloved show thus far. :jedi:
I love this!

I don't hate Sami....I hate SAINT SAMI...
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Dec 3 2009, 10:24 PM
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I can not stand for Sami to be the obediant naive pet


You mean like not daring to ask any questions about dead fiances and why their sister might be ticked about it? That kind of obedient? I'm right there with you - I can't stand that trait in Sami. :shame: But I have never, ever seen her that way with EJ. Obedient? Seriously??

I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
To make a promise to someone and keep it is not being someone's naive pet. She is not naive, she knows something else happen I think she thinks he'll tell her when he feels comfortable enough. He's never been in that position before and it's hard for him. And furthermore it's not wrong to want to keep the past in the past, people would understand that if they ever had a lover die. I have, so I can relate, I don't want to talk about it especially to my spouse. And I would not feel comfortable if he started bashing me with questions about him and his untimely death. And I wonder the same, I'm talking about a man who likes to attack people... physically put his hands on people... whose put his hands on Sami in anger, who's held a gun on her, whose raped her. Who gave Nicole nightmares of him murdering her. Yeah obediant, come over here and bring Sydney.... And the shit he pulled with Nicole, telling her who she could be friends with her. Questioning her every move, and the shit with Sami manipulating her into getting and stayig married to him. And since I have watched them, even though the rape scene made my eyes boil, I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
It isn't just that he won't talk about a past girlfriend that died though. He was accused of KILLING her!! Sami deserves an explaination from him about what happened and for her to just drop it is really stupid. Whenever she asked him about it he got upset and even left her. That should be a huge red flag!
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:soapbox: I despise Ejami. There's not too much that will make me turn off DAYS. But, for some reason Ejami makes my tube go pitch black. This pairing has always been unappealing to me before, during, after the rape, and then some. I'm still bracing myself for this "explosive" chemistry that these two supposedly have. After three years and counting, I haven't seen it yet. In the past a pairing may not have been my favorite pairing, I could still see it between the actors. DAYS has offered plenty over the years and I've seen it in spades even when I had my own personal favorites. Sami has never been one of my favorites. It's the same scenario with her. She's been placed with Austin, Brandon, Lucas, EJ, and now Rafe. She's "loved" them all. They have all been her "soul mate". I'm sure that Rafe won't be the last one in Sami's endless parade of men. Doggone it, I say put the chick with EJ for good so fans won't be subjected to this nonsense any longer. Let them raise those children and be done with it. DAYS has bigger fish to fry than this debacle known as Ejami. I would bow to the soap gods :hail: if this Ejami story would come to a crashing end. If Ejami were that hot, they would have blazed to the top when they were married and had that Santos/Colleen crap going on. That's when Ejami had the forefront and were running the show. And it just plain sucked.
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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

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Dec 4 2009, 01:35 AM
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I can not stand for Sami to be the obediant naive pet


You mean like not daring to ask any questions about dead fiances and why their sister might be ticked about it? That kind of obedient? I'm right there with you - I can't stand that trait in Sami. :shame: But I have never, ever seen her that way with EJ. Obedient? Seriously??

I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
To make a promise to someone and keep it is not being someone's naive pet. She is not naive, she knows something else happen I think she thinks he'll tell her when he feels comfortable enough. He's never been in that position before and it's hard for him. And furthermore it's not wrong to want to keep the past in the past, people would understand that if they ever had a lover die. I have, so I can relate, I don't want to talk about it especially to my spouse. And I would not feel comfortable if he started bashing me with questions about him and his untimely death. And I wonder the same, I'm talking about a man who likes to attack people... physically put his hands on people... whose put his hands on Sami in anger, who's held a gun on her, whose raped her. Who gave Nicole nightmares of him murdering her. Yeah obediant, come over here and bring Sydney.... And the shit he pulled with Nicole, telling her who she could be friends with her. Questioning her every move, and the shit with Sami manipulating her into getting and stayig married to him. And since I have watched them, even though the rape scene made my eyes boil, I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
It isn't just that he won't talk about a past girlfriend that died though. He was accused of KILLING her!! Sami deserves an explaination from him about what happened and for her to just drop it is really stupid. Whenever she asked him about he got upset and even left her. That should be a huge red flag!
Exactly, Angie! I have to think there is something up with Rafe. Besides the fact that he's been accused of murdering his fiance, Sami just seems to be blinded by the "hero" that is Rafe. At every turn the audience is being reminded what a hero Rafe is. It's like they're beating us over the head with all this Rafe praise. I can't help but think we're about to find out something big about Rafe, and he aint going to be all the hero he's cracked up to be. This is just my little internal "I've watched soaps a little to long" radar going off.....guess we'll see where this goes.
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Dec 4 2009, 01:35 AM
It isn't just that he won't talk about a past girlfriend that died though. He was accused of KILLING her!! Sami deserves an explaination from him about what happened and for her to just drop it is really stupid. Whenever she asked him about it he got upset and even left her. That should be a huge red flag!
Exactly.

It would be one thing if they had known each other for years and years and had some really strong bond before this, but why exactly is Sami supposed to unconditionally and blindly accept Rafe's non-account of events over any other more sinister possibility when he refuses to level with her at all about what happened?

I mean look at a supercouple like Bo and Hope... they've been together (most of the time) for 25 years now and have one of the greatest love affairs in all of soaps yet this show wants us to simultaneously accept and believe Bo and Hope have trust issues that can cause devastating problems in their relationship because Bo is being sort of secretive about Carly while Sami and Rafe, an off-and-on couple dating for less than a year, are supposed to be able to skate on by with no problems at all despite Rafe's total refusal to open up to Sami about his past (and he apparently knows very little of hers as evidenced by him only finding out about Sami's past with Brandon now) yet she is just supposed to trust all of it because it comes from Saint Rafe? It just doesn't compute.
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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
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Dec 4 2009, 01:57 AM
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Dec 4 2009, 01:35 AM
It isn't just that he won't talk about a past girlfriend that died though. He was accused of KILLING her!! Sami deserves an explaination from him about what happened and for her to just drop it is really stupid. Whenever she asked him about it he got upset and even left her. That should be a huge red flag!
Exactly.

It would be one thing if they had known each other for years and years and had some really strong bond before this, but why exactly is Sami supposed to unconditionally and blindly accept Rafe's non-account of events over any other more sinister possibility when he refuses to level with her at all about what happened?

I mean look at a supercouple like Bo and Hope... they've been together (most of the time) for 25 years now and have one of the greatest love affairs in all of soaps yet this show wants us to simultaneously accept and believe Bo and Hope have trust issues that can cause devastating problems in their relationship because Bo is being sort of secretive about Carly while Sami and Rafe, an off-and-on couple dating for less than a year, are supposed to be able to skate on by with no problems at all despite Rafe's total refusal to open up to Sami about his past (and he apparently knows very little of hers as evidenced by him only finding out about Sami's past with Brandon now) yet she is just supposed to trust all of it because it comes from Saint Rafe? It just doesn't compute.
Bo and Hope's trust issues are about more then that. It's alot of circumstances over the years that just built up and the kidnapping reopened all those old wounds. Their issues is something the show should've addressed eons ago.

As for Sami and Rafe, I'm so not touching that topic LOL.
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I can not stand for Sami to be the obediant naive pet


You mean like not daring to ask any questions about dead fiances and why their sister might be ticked about it? That kind of obedient? I'm right there with you - I can't stand that trait in Sami. :shame: But I have never, ever seen her that way with EJ. Obedient? Seriously??

I really wonder at times if we're talking about the same show - much less the same characters.
To make a promise to someone and keep it is not being someone's naive pet. She is not naive, she knows something else happen I think she thinks he'll tell her when he feels comfortable enough. He's never been in that position before and it's hard for him. And furthermore it's not wrong to want to keep the past in the past, people would understand that if they ever had a lover die. I have, so I can relate, I don't want to talk about it especially to my spouse. And I would not feel comfortable if he started bashing me with questions about him and his untimely death. And I wonder the same, I'm talking about a man who likes to attack people... physically put his hands on people... whose put his hands on Sami in anger, who's held a gun on her, whose raped her. Who gave Nicole nightmares of him murdering her. Yeah obediant, come over here and bring Sydney.... And the shit he pulled with Nicole, telling her who she could be friends with her. Questioning her every move, and the shit with Sami manipulating her into getting and stayig married to him. And since I have watched them, even though the rape scene made my eyes boil, I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
It isn't just that he won't talk about a past girlfriend that died though. He was accused of KILLING her!! Sami deserves an explaination from him about what happened and for her to just drop it is really stupid. Whenever she asked him about it he got upset and even left her. That should be a huge red flag!
First, I don't think it's wrong for Sami to want to know, I don't think it's wrong for Rafe not to feel like talking about. It's those many shades of gray. It's not controlling her not to want talk about, and to ask her to let it go. He has done many things for her, to deserve her trust. She deserves enough of the story, he needs to tell her. But sometimes, it's not that easy.

He was accused of killing her, by a crazy person, and not one that was drove crazy by her sister's death. I could have been accused to, my lover was murdered. Shot in the head, it wasn't an accident. I didn't do it, I wasn't even near him at the time, but some nut job, could have accused me. I just hate being told that I'm not watching the same show, I am, with a different perspective.
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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
LOL. I just went back and rewatched the scenes from back then right before they had sex to see if I could get any inkling of this Sami sleeping with EJ in a controlled situation.



Oh... so apparently EJ offering Sami a sandwich and asking her to explain why she kissed him and telling her he wanted to discuss where they go from here as their sham marriage was about over was not date rape... it just was "pretty much date rape." (Is that like Whoopi Goldberg's rape vs. rape-rape distinction in the Roman Polanski case? Also, do you think all one-night-stands amount to "pretty much date rape"? I'm genuinely curious now.)
Edited by IMissAremid, Dec 4 2009, 02:32 AM.
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To make a promise to someone and keep it is not being someone's naive pet. She is not naive, she knows something else happen I think she thinks he'll tell her when he feels comfortable enough. He's never been in that position before and it's hard for him. And furthermore it's not wrong to want to keep the past in the past, people would understand that if they ever had a lover die. I have, so I can relate, I don't want to talk about it especially to my spouse. And I would not feel comfortable if he started bashing me with questions about him and his untimely death. And I wonder the same, I'm talking about a man who likes to attack people... physically put his hands on people... whose put his hands on Sami in anger, who's held a gun on her, whose raped her. Who gave Nicole nightmares of him murdering her. Yeah obediant, come over here and bring Sydney.... And the shit he pulled with Nicole, telling her who she could be friends with her. Questioning her every move, and the shit with Sami manipulating her into getting and stayig married to him. And since I have watched them, even though the rape scene made my eyes boil, I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
It isn't just that he won't talk about a past girlfriend that died though. He was accused of KILLING her!! Sami deserves an explaination from him about what happened and for her to just drop it is really stupid. Whenever she asked him about it he got upset and even left her. That should be a huge red flag!
First, I don't think it's wrong for Sami to want to know, I don't think it's wrong for Rafe not to feel like talking about. It's those many shades of gray. It's not controlling her not to want talk about, and to ask her to let it go. He has done many things for her, to deserve her trust. She deserves enough of the story, he needs to tell her. But sometimes, it's not that easy.

He was accused of killing her, by a crazy person, and not one that was drove crazy by her sister's death. I could have been accused to, my lover was murdered. Shot in the head, it wasn't an accident. I didn't do it, I wasn't even near him at the time, but some nut job, could have accused me. I just hate being told that I'm not watching the same show, I am, with a different perspective.
The thing is, if he is all innocent and didn't do anything then he should have no problem telling her exactly how it went down! The way he acts when it is brought up is very suspicious. The way he acts makes it seem like he was involved her death. Letting someone that may have killed someone around your children is just plain stupid. It isn't something that should just be dropped and talked about later. No way!
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I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
Umm..No it doesn't sound like date rape. Maybe in bizarro world it's considered date rape but not here on planet earth.

Yes, EJ was lying to her about their marriage because he loved her and wanted to stay married to her. But Sami controlled that whole night which is why we have baby Sydney :wub:

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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
LOL. I just went back and rewatched the scenes from back then right before they had sex to see if I could get any inkling of this Sami sleeping with EJ in a controlled situation.



Oh... so apparently EJ offering Sami a sandwich and asking her to explain why she kissed him and telling her he wanted to discuss where they go from here as their sham marriage was about over was not date rape... it just was "pretty much date rape." (Is that like Whoopi Goldberg's rape vs. rape-rape distinction in the Roman Polanski case? Also, do you think all one-night-stands amount to "pretty much date rape"? I'm genuinely curious now.)
That's it!!! He drugged the sandwich! Or was it that special drugged nanny tea that I've heard so much about. :laugh:
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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
Yes thank god for freedom of speech. It allows me to say that your post is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. Now I've had my say and I'll get off my :soapbox:

I don't think I'll waste my time here again.
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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
LOL. I just went back and rewatched the scenes from back then right before they had sex to see if I could get any inkling of this Sami sleeping with EJ in a controlled situation.



Oh... so apparently EJ offering Sami a sandwich and asking her to explain why she kissed him and telling her he wanted to discuss where they go from here as their sham marriage was about over was not date rape... it just was "pretty much date rape." (Is that like Whoopi Goldberg's rape vs. rape-rape distinction in the Roman Polanski case? Also, do you think all one-night-stands amount to "pretty much date rape"? I'm genuinely curious now.)
I went back and watched some of that too. That wasn't rape in any shape or form. In fact she was pretty agressive from the parts I watched.
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Dec 4 2009, 12:36 AM
I'll tell you this, that second sex scene was pretty much a rape too, date rape.

It was like a woman that had been got drunk til sex was something she was okay with, she had been pulled emotionally by him in every direction, and he did it with complete intent. It was a set up, he set up Lucas' release. Sami maybe naive but I'm not, that was definitely no coincidence. Sami was being completely controlled by that bastard, literally, and she had no clue. And when she found out, she dumped his ass, and once again Sami had the brain.
THE SECOND TIME THEY HAD SEX WAS DATE RAPE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? :drunk:

As if there aren't enough legit things the writers have given you to bash the pairing of EJ and Sami if you choose to do so you have to claim that when Sami willingly, sober, without a chip implanted somewhere in her and following Sami getting jealous about Nicole giving EJ attention, forgiving EJ and then admitting her feelings for him and choosing to have sex with him and then go back for seconds amounted to a DATE RAPE? On what planet? :lol:

I stand by what I said.... I said it was pretty much Rape, didn't say it was rape.

It was sex that happen through a controlled (by EJ) situation, gee that sounds like date rape.

Here's is woman, introduced to man coming off as her friend. When in truth he was there on a mission, to impregnate her. Then she is told to keep her family safe, she must divorce her husband and marry EJ, she's also made to believe she is the reincarnation of her great aunt (which can't be true because her great aunt is very much alive). Her previous husband, pulls a stupid and gets himself thrown in jail. Leaving her with the twin babies, EJ for a moment gains a pair of balls, and becomes a caring person. But then things change, John is discovered alive, Colieen alive, I believe this is when they come out of witness protection. Sami lets EJ know she want to resolve the marriage or he is made to believe that what she wants, he then informs her, he is about to be deported. Which would leave her children fatherless, for years it's believed til Lucas is released.

She agrees to stay married under certain stipulations. EJ goes to work for Mickey, and Nicole arrives in town. This is Sami's sworn enemy, EJ learns this. He takes Nicole on as a client, even though Sami doesn't like it. He then proceeds to flirt with Nicole, excessively (playing with Nicole's feelings.) Sami starts feeling very conflicted, tries to talk to Lucas, gets no where. At the same time EJ has been working to get Lucas released, and EJ knows that he will be living in the house with them. The very night Lucas is released Sami gives in to EJ's advances, and they have sex. Afterwards, the false walls EJ has built crashes in on him, and she wants to be out of that marriage and tells EJ it was just sex.

Now then, people say, to be against EJ and Sami, you must have not watch them. But I did, and before I knew EJ's true intent I was for them. Even before the deportation lie, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, at heart, I am a feminist, I watch this show for entertainment, I do not watch so it down women. And all this show a controlled woman, that might as well have been wearing a dog collar, and being led around on a leash, this is just my opinion. Thank goodness, for freedom of speech. :soapbox: , now I'll climb down.
LOL. I just went back and rewatched the scenes from back then right before they had sex to see if I could get any inkling of this Sami sleeping with EJ in a controlled situation.



Oh... so apparently EJ offering Sami a sandwich and asking her to explain why she kissed him and telling her he wanted to discuss where they go from here as their sham marriage was about over was not date rape... it just was "pretty much date rape." (Is that like Whoopi Goldberg's rape vs. rape-rape distinction in the Roman Polanski case? Also, do you think all one-night-stands amount to "pretty much date rape"? I'm genuinely curious now.)
You had to post that clip Mary! :'(
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