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| Spoilers for wk of December 14th; *UPDATED 12/12* | |
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| SoapGal1 | Dec 4 2009, 02:49 AM Post #121 |
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I just watched it too, and I agree no sort of rape going on. In fact if you watch the next episode, before they do the deed, EJ asks her if she's sure she wants to do this....and she says "promise me something EJ" and he says "anything" and she says "that you won't ask me that again". Now where I come from that in no way, shape, or form resembles rape, date rape, or any kind of rape. That just looks like good ole fashion "love makin'." :wub: |
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| avelina | Dec 4 2009, 05:17 AM Post #122 |
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I agree but I'm just curious. Kitkat why do you think it's date rape? Do you think the soap is written like it was when Stefano captured Marlena and so forth and so on. I must say I didn't watch the soap back then because I thought it was stupid but I was wondering why many of you guys think that. Not only did Sami forgive EJ but she herself told EJ she once forced herself on a man and later on through the years her forgave her. Then she said so what kind of person would she be if she couldn't forgive him. When they were about to make love he said is this something you want to do and she said don't ever ask me that again and SHE KISSED him. When they were on the bed and he was on top of her, he said I've waited so long to be with you and she said shut up and kiss me. Now let's pretend this is a normal setting and this was the first time you watched the show would you consider this rape or two people agreeing to have sex? Now to all the other comments I've read and heard from your buddies, I bring up the Stefano/Marlena thing because I could see how you could think that but the show hasn't been going in that direction in quite sometime. There is no witchcraft, no cages, no dungeons, no magic balls. I could also see how some would want it to be this way because they hate EJ with a passion and Lord knows the some of the storylines are pretty stupid and you know what I even throw in the Stefano took John's mind away and even put it on a disk so why couldn't this happen to Sami and she was cast a spell upon. Well this is how I feel, again I can see where you are slightly coming from BUT I really think the writers wrote it where Sami actually forgave EJ and Sydney's conception was not a result from rape. I know, I know, you guys love to throw that word around but if you watch that scene and are honest with yourself that scene was written the actual way you see it. There is way too much talking and acknowledgment of feelings from both parties. He just didn't go to her room and they had sex. They were still talking about things. If it was rape then why in the world would she keep kissing him? I think many of you guys are grasping at straws because you don't want Sami with any other person that Lucas. I get that but to sit there and say the second time EJami had sex was rape is just plain off the wall. Not to mention weird because after they made love, they kissed again and were about to make love again but Lucas walked in on them. Also many of you guys said if EJami was so great then why didn't they stay married. In order to show case a super couple getting them together isn't going to be easy. Sami needs to tell EJ she loves him. She needs to fight for him as much as he has been fighting for her. Most of you guys know couples that get together immediately don't normally last long on soaps. All I have to say is if you don't like EJami then you don't like them but stop calling this stuff rape. The one liners are boring and right now it makes no sense. Now I grabbed the video of them making love. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9URIOVGJ8I if you can handle watching it where it doesn't make you sick could you please explain to me the rape part. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMSV5gXzG6Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC2IL3cuzw0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU7nn7Uv_Wc&feature=related Now the last ones are of the conversation before sex. Hey I was even nice and showed you the one that had Lucas in it so you could breathe in between the EJami stuff. I just feel if you guys are going to call this rape you should point it out to the regular folks. I'm all about a difference of opinion here. You guys like Lumi, I hate Lumi and Safe but I know what's in front of my face. I and many others don't toss the word rape around especially when we don't see it. Looking forward to your comments. |
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| ladyofthelake | Dec 4 2009, 06:57 AM Post #123 |
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Here's my comment: I agree with Phoenix. It's sad when we can be uninterested in joining in a debate when it gets nasty. This whole thing is getting uglier than the whole Babypalooza. Obviously, we are going to have different perspectives. If we didn't, in real life, all juries would never deadlock. We'd have no need for political parties. There'd be no need for various religions or Hot Topic, because we would all buy at Macy's. :P But, once again, it's starting to get personal. Posters are aiming their barbs at other posters. I went thru this months ago, and it's one reason I left. (Yes, yes, I'm just waiting for someone to say "Go ahead and leave again." Nawwwww, it's much more fun to scold and declare my forever love for Sydney!) And yes, I threw in my share of personal insults in the past, and ya know what? It's not frigging worth it. We know, logically, that Sami, EJ, Rafe, Brady, Nicole, et al, are figments of someone's imagination. However, the posters who are responding ARE NOT (not unless they're one of those Internet aliases, and still, some live dude is at the other end). I can blatantly say I root for Nicole, murderer, babynapper, former porn star, and someone I'd probably be leery of in real life. Does that make me a horrid person? Despite what my kids say, probably not. If people want to call EJ a rapist, that's their perspective. If people want to root on EJ and NOT see what he did as rape, that's their perspective. I can see both sides, but it's over and probably wanked out by the writers as much as Philip's face transplant and fake leg. Jack raped. Lexie stole babies. Chelsea ran over a kid. Melanie was sold out by her dad. Max stuffed a body in a water heater. God only knows what Hope did as an alter. Ditto John. EJ is a drug king AND a racecar driver AND a lawyer. Over on One Life, Mitch appears to have a lot of fans. I like Mitch in a love to hate him way, but I'd never be his follower in real life. On Glee, i would want Sue fired in a heartbeat, but I love her because she speaks what I would want to speak in school myself! Only in TV land. But, I'm not hung on the EJ rape thing. I forget all about that (til I see it here). If you are an EJ supporter and people say that word, that doesn't make you a horrid person. So why act like it would? And if you don't like EJ, why act like the people who do are horrid people? Thanks to the people who try not to make it personal. This is the end of Mother Dwight's lecture for today. Anyone who doesn't like it, well, blessings to you, my children. :smooch: |
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| Liz<3Days | Dec 4 2009, 09:02 AM Post #124 |
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ITA ladyofthelake...and this is why I dont like bringing up anything EJ & Sami. Sure you have the regular posters who are going to love this pairing, and you have those that dont. Then you have the poster who never or rarely posts and just comes to point out about supercouples and EJ and sami, yada, yada , yada. I have hated Sami since day ONE! So I dont care about LUMI, SAFE or EJ and Sami. I do care when one person states an OPINION and its trampled on by an entire fanbase and this does not only happened with fans of EJ and Sami, but with other fanbases! And for the record avelina, people get to call it whatever they want...rape, non-rape, thats others rights just like it was yours! And I hate being called "well you're just a _____ and _____ fan that REALLY wants them together?!!" Does that mean my opinion is not as valid as yours? See, thats personal and so unnecessary because other fans of your pairing have actually be respectful and stayed away from the categorization. I hope this thread doesnt end up like countless other debates with the CHARACTERS of EJ and Sami. |
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| SocRMum1 | Dec 4 2009, 09:22 AM Post #125 |
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Much prefers sweevil, snarky EJ over Father Figure Fucktard Eejiot.
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:omg: I don't even know what to say to that...particularly the bolded part. But I think that last statement makes it pretty clear that I'm not the one who hates Sami. :wow: |
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| SoapGal1 | Dec 4 2009, 09:45 AM Post #126 |
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Great post, Lady. :rockon: I just have one other thing to say: Bears Beets Battlestar Galactica. :cheer: :smooch: |
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| pspcindy | Dec 4 2009, 09:48 AM Post #127 |
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I thought Ramsey had a full time job at CSI. That doesn't preclude a guest spot on a soap but as CSI is a CBS show I would not expect it. I still think DOOL will go for the trite and expected abductor-Stefano. They could throw in one of the bore's connections but I don't think so. |
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| Angie79 | Dec 4 2009, 09:57 AM Post #128 |
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CDN TV Guide Spoilers Monday Sami teams up with EJ and Rafe to get Stefano to admit he took Sydney; Nicole has a memory that the person who took Sydney was a woman. Tuesday Stefano realizes that Sami is wearing a wire and is arrested for attacking her; Brady refuses to see Nicole in jail and he and Arianna share a kiss. Wednesday Nicole convinces Rafe she doesn't know anything about Sydney's whereabouts. Thursday Rafe tries to discover who took Sydney by searching for the mystery woman's boots. |
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| talbab1994 | Dec 4 2009, 10:00 AM Post #129 |
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WHEN will this end??????????? |
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| justforfun | Dec 4 2009, 10:00 AM Post #130 |
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I don't know if Doc Baker has been mentioned as the potenial kidnapper, but he is my guess. Remeber the finger twitch? Maybe he has been keeping up with Salem without anyone knowing and he takes Sydney 1) to either get back at them for trying to have him killed or 2)maybe he has been working for Stefano from the beginning. He is the missing link to having some questions answered about the babyswitch and the possibility that her baby did not die. It has potential!! Ooops - just read it could be a woman. okay, how about the nurse who worked for baker?? Edited by justforfun, Dec 4 2009, 10:02 AM.
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| Alligato | Dec 4 2009, 10:03 AM Post #131 |
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Thanks for the clip of Ejami! One of my favorite scenes! I just love how EJ reminds Sami that Lucas is gone and never is coming back, that he loves Nicole's attention to him and thinks she is fun, and oh by the way, in your sadness and jealousy, please please like me! LMAO! Oh, and my favorite part is the constant eyerolls and the fact that Sami can't say the word "kiss" in front of him. I don't mean to be snarky at all, but as I watch it again, I used to think it had a hint of romance, but now I can only laugh at how predictable it was for them. On the plus side, EJ was just all kinds of gorgeous hot! Wow! Hottest he ever was! Please don't go away again, lady! Posts like yours are why we need you here! Case in point, we see what we want to see, like who we want to like, remember rape or don't, justify or won't, etc. It's all good. This is supposed to be fun, right? There is so much I want to say, so many comments I want to make about what was said, so many points that I feel need to be made, but all I can come up with is I love Sue on Glee! Best character on any show EVER! And did you see Will find out about the pregnancy pad? JS could have taken some clues...or maybe they could have made his wife a little more sympathetic. She is an awful bitch, but I love her! That is just the best show on right now! LOL! |
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| Alligato | Dec 4 2009, 10:08 AM Post #132 |
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The kidnapper is a woman? I bet it is Meredeth. What happened to her? She thinks that the baby is Rafe and Sami's and took her to get revenge on Rafe. Wouldn't it be shit if she kills Sydney to get back at Rafe? That is one thing that would make Sami HATE Rafe since he would never tell her about Emily and Meredeth, and all but never mentioned how she tried to kill him just a month ago. EJ would go bonkers, Sami would revert back to revenge Sami. And Rafe would be brought down a few pegs from his hero status. I doubt they would have the balls to off that sweet little baby, but that would be a twist I wouldn't see coming. And Dr. Baker would return with Nicole's baby. :) |
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| Liz<3Days | Dec 4 2009, 10:14 AM Post #133 |
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AWWW, I dont want Sydney killed....BUT..if this leaves Sami with one less spawn...I'll take it!LOL Oh, Santa can we have Nicole's baby be alive for Xmas! PLEASEEEEEEE!LOL |
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| SoapGal1 | Dec 4 2009, 10:18 AM Post #134 |
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I wouldn't want Sydney to die, but the reprecussions from just Meredith kidnapping her would be awesome. Sami would be furious, she would think if Rafe would've just been honest with her about his past and told her about where he was when he was gone, they could've avoided this.....she would probably revert back to her old "revenge Sami". EJ would be out for blood and Rafe would come down several notches in the hero worship department. I LOVE it!! :wub: |
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| Alligato | Dec 4 2009, 10:18 AM Post #135 |
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^ Me either! Long live Sydole! |
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| Nicole Walker | Dec 4 2009, 10:41 AM Post #136 |
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Okay kitkat, i'm no Ejami fan but the second time was not rape. Sami slept with EJ and even stated it was just sex so no it wasn't rape and considering how fast her azz hoped out that bed when Lucas came back i'll say Sami wasn't on any drugs either. I mean come on let's not make up stuff, I can't stand that. I debate with the facts. |
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| avelina | Dec 4 2009, 10:44 AM Post #137 |
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I agree call it what you will. I don't care but have you not read the threads from here and previous boards? The writers call 12/29 rape, so it's rape. I didn't take it as rape. Heck when I first saw it I changed the channel because I thought it was stupid. I didn't watch Days back then until later on. I finally had to see it on Youtube. For the record Ladyofthelake, if you aren't the one spreading the trash that like to call EJami fans rape lovers then I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the ones that think this show is freaking real who likes to call the character a rapist. They also like to call the actor himself a rapist and wants to point out that on Days that if a woman wants to go back to her rapist may he rape her all day long type of thing. Don't you think that's harsh. I mean there an option and then there just plain I don't know what to say that type of comment. All I did was ask why they thought the second time the couple got together it was rape and why some thought it was mind control or a chip was placed on Sami that's all. I don't see why asking some people of a particular fan that question is challenging. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I need a different perceptive so when I get call a rape lover I can fully understand. Also, I love rooting for couples and I love conversing with people that have different opinions. I also agree with you I hate being called "well you're just a _____ and _____ fan that REALLY wants them together?!!" You think that I might not be on the same page with you but I am. It's just you don't really understand what I'm saying because you don't care about Lumi, Safe, EJ or Sami. I really don't take things personally but you when you hear someone call you and your friends a rape lover at fan events you have to scratch your head and go are you F* serious! It's just a show. Peace out. Edited by avelina, Dec 4 2009, 10:47 AM.
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| angmc | Dec 4 2009, 11:31 AM Post #138 |
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Well there goes my theory about Owen. :ermmmm: I guess the suspects are: Faye Kate Emily Meredith Susan |
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| Paxton | Dec 4 2009, 11:48 AM Post #139 |
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jane posted this quote back on page 3, from another board from what apparently is a reliable poster:
Assuming that's the kidnapper--and I think it must be because was any other "new character" introduced this week? not to mention we know the kidnapper will be revealed the second week of December--then I assume it's somebody we haven't met before. Emily could be a faint possibility even though we've seen her but I really don't see the point of that, not to say they wouldn't do it. I have to assume the new character is probably working for somebody already on canvas or somebody who we've known before. Just because it's a woman doesn't mean she can't be a DiMera (or some other person's) operative. The more interesting part to me is, why the need for flashbacks? And are they true flashbacks or "fauxbacks," created to fill in holes in the story or retcon something? |
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| lyddielove | Dec 4 2009, 11:59 AM Post #140 |
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I agree with you, but this is driving me crazy! I though I knew who stole the baby and now I have no idea! |
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