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Weekly Discussion: Dec. 7th - Dec. 11th
Topic Started: Dec 6 2009, 06:37 PM (9,389 Views)
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DrewHamilton
Dec 9 2009, 02:21 AM
Kate and Vivian's exchange at Java Cafe was great.
That was my favorite part of the show - but for the love of God, why do Vivian, Kate and Victor have to have their encounters at the tacky little Java Cafe? It annoys the hell out of me, LoL!
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Mason
Dec 9 2009, 02:26 AM
DrewHamilton
Dec 9 2009, 02:21 AM
Kate and Vivian's exchange at Java Cafe was great.
That was my favorite part of the show - but for the love of God, why do Vivian, Kate and Victor have to have their encounters at the tacky little Java Cafe? It annoys the hell out of me, LoL!
I agree. Kate going to Java Cafe doesn't bother me much because I could believe Kate frequenting the coffeehouse to feel young and hip because you know that's what she wants to do. But Vivian? She said it best herself when she referred to the place as "tacky." She doesn't belong there at all.
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Dec 9 2009, 02:21 AM
They really have given up on trying to hide Arianne Zucker's pregnancy, haven't they? It was so obvious today.

Where in the hell did Nicole go? I assumed that door led to the bathroom, not another exit into a hallway.

For the first time since the summer, I actually liked Hope. She still came off as a bitch in her scenes with Bo and Carly, but Kristian Alfonso played it differently or something because I wasn't annoyed. She felt more Hope-like, rather than just spiteful bitch. She seemed to think that she was better than Carly and that's how Hope should be, at least I think so. I loved her questioning Mia at Java Cafe. She seemed so genuine in her questions to not make Mia suspicious, but you could also hear the bitch in her trying to get answers about Carly's secret maybe. Loved her today, and that's something I can't say a lot lately. I hope it continues.

Kate and Vivian's exchange at Java Cafe was great. These two are such great rivals. They put the last decade of Kate vs. Sami to shame. Vivian is Kate's top enemy, not Sami.
I actually thought they did their best job in a longtime hiding her pregnancy today as the hospital gown was baggy. The only time I didn't think they did a good job was when she got up and had her back to the camera.

I've felt Hope has been Hope all along but I do agree what KA has been doing the past two days has helped. She has Hope smiling more and I also like the little comment she made at the end of her scene with Mia when she called Mia smart for not feeling like she could trust Carly.

I actually think Vivian being at Java all the time is being treated as a joke. She mentioned how tacky it was last week yet she goes back there. I think they just like playing that up LOL.

As for this kidnapping stuff, I'm convinced it's EJ behind it. It's all a question of who he hired to do it. The evidence is all there. Corday kept mentioning in previews how EJ had been lied to not once, not twice, but three times. JS went nuts about the brilliant twist as if it was something that affected EJ, personally. He always likes a darker EJ. He was excited when EJ went darker last winter during the Dimera/Kiriakis stuff.

Then you have what we've seen on the show. EJ didn't want Stefano or his men involved. I don't care what Stefano did if EJ really wanted Sydney found, he would've allowed Stefano to help by using his men. I know he has reason not to trust him but still. Then, you had EJ acting all suspicious when Brady talked about talking to Nicole at the Pub last week and when Nicole called Sami, he grabbed the phone away from her. EJ was also talking on his phone alot all by himself. He acted all worried yesterday when Nicole was trying to remember her attack too. Then you have the most damning evidence...he has a private jet. Brady offered the Kiriakis jet. Why the fuck would you fly commercial? That made no sense. He seemed like he was stalling and he still seems awfully calm too IMO. He's been throwing out accusations at Nicole, Stefano, and Brady and it's coming off more like deflections to me. Just the tone in his voice when he promised Sami they would get Sydney back seemed too confident.

Here is my theory: EJ hired someone (maybe Meredith or the motel owner?) to take Sydney and he has her hidden somewhere. He felt driven to it by not being able to trust anyone and wanting to make himself look good to Sami. I also think, too, that the way EJ was pushing for a settlement to the custody situation with Sydney was pretty telling. Maybe he wanted to solidify things on that front. Anyway, maybe it was revenge or something too. He puts Nicole through hell and Sami through hell for what they did to him. Same goes for Stefano. If he hired someone from Rafe's past like Meredith, that makes this all the more plausible. He can then spin the blame on Rafe because it was his past coming back to haunt him and then they can actually deal with Rafe's past, which is an elephant in the room. I can also see a scenario will Arianna somehow comes across learning EJ was behind this.

Stefano talking of making EJ, Nicole, and Sami pay for keeping Sydney from him also had me thinking of what may be upcoming, especially if my theory is true. Stefano will really be pissed at EJ if he finds out that he was behind this. It sets up lots of good things and brings EJ back to the way he should be IMO.
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Dec 9 2009, 03:05 AM

I actually think Vivian being at Java all the time is being treated as a joke. She mentioned how tacky it was last week yet she goes back there. I think they just like playing that up LOL.

As for this kidnapping stuff, I'm convinced it's EJ behind it. It's all a question of who he hired to do it. The evidence is all there. Corday kept mentioning in previews how EJ had been lied to not once, not twice, but three times. JS went nuts about the brilliant twist as if it was something that affected EJ, personally. He always likes a darker EJ. He was excited when EJ went darker last winter during the Dimera/Kiriakis stuff.
As much as I'm irritated with Kate and Vivian hanging out at the Java Cafe, I agree, it is funny to see Vivian there...and either way, it's probably the ONLY place in town! I can see Kate hanging there too, as she's the type of character that wants to be hip...even though the Java Cafe ain't no Starbucks, Salem probably doesn't have one of those either, LOL.

I can get behind the EJ theory. I haven't seen today's ep yet, but this would be an interesting twist.
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IMissAremid
Dec 8 2009, 11:28 PM
aimees76
Dec 8 2009, 10:47 PM
The way Rafe is treated reminds me of how John was ... even though he really wasn't a cop/detective/ISA guy anymore, he was always sitting in on those types of convos and going along for the ride on everything. He was like honorary or something .. seems like Rafey is the new John ... *gags* :(
*gags* with you

Wonder if we'll find out later on that the time he spent at the convent was actually him studying to be a priest?
Only to find out that he wasn't a priest but a mercenary pretending to be a priest so he could steal art paintings ;)
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Dec 8 2009, 10:23 PM
^ I thought it was odd when the police asked Rafe to go along with him to question the couple that saw Nicole in the bus station. Why would Rafe be asked? He is a construction worker!
Either make the guy a cop/FBI or stop involving him!
Thank you!
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Dec 9 2009, 01:45 AM
The other thing that really burned me was Hope insisting on knowing Carly's secret and how that's somehow the problem in her marriage. First of all Hope it's none of your business. It's Carly's business and whomever else she deems worthy to know. And another thing, the reason your marriage is on the rocks is because it's your way or no way and you moved out. So take some responsibilities for your poor decision making and stop laying it at Carly's doorstep. Uh lately I just can't stand Hope's attitude. I usually like Hope a lot, but she's really pissing me off lately. I feel bad for Bo. He's just trying to help a friend out and I can respect that. But instead of some understanding all he gets in return is jealous accusations and a shrewish wife.

excellent point here!
Hope just looks like a little pissy girl because she can't get in on the big secret...not that it has anything to do with her and Bo. It's none of your effin business, Hope! And when she couldn't get her way, she stomped out of the house. It was the most juvenile little tantrum, and her face to Bo when he said, "if it is your house, why did you move out?"...like Bo dare question her! Then going to Mia and pumping her to get info? What a spoiled bitch!
I was never a big Hope fan, but her attitude recently makes her unwatchable, as does Mia/Melanie and their disdain for Carly. Come on! The woman has done nothing to either of them!

And I know it is stupid, but when the barista called out Kate's order, she said a medium latte, and that little cup was so small. No way that was a medium! And Kate was throwing it all around while talking...if that is a hot coffee, she'd might want to keep it still before it spilled all over her designer chain blouse.
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Paxton & Phoenix that EJ as kidnapper theory - I wish y'all would stop tempting my tummy with the taste of nuts and honey. In other words, I wish you both would stop espousing that theory, not because I don't like it because I fucking love it, but when it turns out that it was Days scapegoat Stefano or worse yet typical Days stunt casting or some random 3 month contract player with some tenuous revenge plot my disappointment will be crushing. Now that I have read this theory, anything short of EJ as kidnapper will feel like a huge waste of time and just a way to get blood out of this babyswitch storyline which has been sucked bone dry since September.
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Dec 9 2009, 10:51 AM
designergirl777
Dec 9 2009, 01:45 AM
The other thing that really burned me was Hope insisting on knowing Carly's secret and how that's somehow the problem in her marriage. First of all Hope it's none of your business. It's Carly's business and whomever else she deems worthy to know. And another thing, the reason your marriage is on the rocks is because it's your way or no way and you moved out. So take some responsibilities for your poor decision making and stop laying it at Carly's doorstep. Uh lately I just can't stand Hope's attitude. I usually like Hope a lot, but she's really pissing me off lately. I feel bad for Bo. He's just trying to help a friend out and I can respect that. But instead of some understanding all he gets in return is jealous accusations and a shrewish wife.

excellent point here!
Hope just looks like a little pissy girl because she can't get in on the big secret...not that it has anything to do with her and Bo. It's none of your effin business, Hope! And when she couldn't get her way, she stomped out of the house. It was the most juvenile little tantrum, and her face to Bo when he said, "if it is your house, why did you move out?"...like Bo dare question her! Then going to Mia and pumping her to get info? What a spoiled bitch!
I was never a big Hope fan, but her attitude recently makes her unwatchable, as does Mia/Melanie and their disdain for Carly. Come on! The woman has done nothing to either of them!

And I know it is stupid, but when the barista called out Kate's order, she said a medium latte, and that little cup was so small. No way that was a medium! And Kate was throwing it all around while talking...if that is a hot coffee, she'd might want to keep it still before it spilled all over her designer chain blouse.
Amen to you both.

Hope has surpassed spoiled rich girl status and has now become just a screaming harriden. I keep waiting for her to turn to Carly and screech "...and your little dog too..." while a brigade of flying monkeys swarm overhead.

The only time I enjoy the scenes she's in is when Bo reminds her that she's the one that bailed on him (for really lame reasons) and Carly had nothing to do with that! Bo also made an excellent point yesterday. Hope couldn't keep her yap shut for two seconds about Carly's return to town so why should he trust her to keep the big "secret" now. I just wish he had made that point to Hope rather than Carly.

I have never been a big Bo fan but on those rare occasions when he stands up to that bitch he becomes my hero of the day!
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DrewHamilton
Dec 9 2009, 02:21 AM
For the first time since the summer, I actually liked Hope. She still came off as a bitch in her scenes with Bo and Carly, but Kristian Alfonso played it differently or something because I wasn't annoyed. She felt more Hope-like, rather than just spiteful bitch. She seemed to think that she was better than Carly and that's how Hope should be, at least I think so. I loved her questioning Mia at Java Cafe. She seemed so genuine in her questions to not make Mia suspicious, but you could also hear the bitch in her trying to get answers about Carly's secret maybe. Loved her today, and that's something I can't say a lot lately. I hope it continues.
I loved Hope when I was a little girl but I don't really remember what her personality was like other than Bo treating her like a little girl and her protesting. For the most part, I hate bitchy Hope in cop mode but I'm digging this bithcy side to Hope. KA is really selling that Hope is insecure right now about her place in Bo's heart and even her place in Salem. She's used to being FANCY FACE and having Bo all hot for her but now Bo isn't running to her when she snaps her fingers. And go Hope! Digging throught Carly's purse.
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PhoenixRising05
Dec 9 2009, 02:12 AM
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Dec 9 2009, 01:45 AM
Oh and Hope forgive Carly for actually being friends with "YOUR FAMILY". She can't help it that she actually lived there and had connections with people some of them actually being Hortons. It makes me wish Francis were still on the show because Mrs. H and Carly always got on. Carly having saved her life and all (twice). And Alice having helped Frederick and Juanita rendezvous with one another without Victor knowing about it.

Sorry for the long rant but I am peeved.
I'm really hoping Maggie gets in Hope's face about that since they seem to be focusing on Carly and Maggie as friends. Carly was good friends with all of Hope's loved ones in Salem during her time on the show. That is why I really miss Jennifer right now because she was Carly's best friend and that would really be interesting to see.

Oh yeah I have been thinking about Jennifer too. They were best friends and so that would be cool to see how Hope handled that. And well then I'm missing Marlena as well ( for a lot of reasons) because Marlena and Carly were friends and colleagues. Marlena was at her "Wedding" to Bo and they have that whole Mexican adventure in common. Carly needs some other friends in Salem other than Bo. I'm feeling bad for her. She feels like the odd man out to me.
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Dec 9 2009, 11:10 AM
Paxton & Phoenix that EJ as kidnapper theory - I wish y'all would stop tempting my tummy with the taste of nuts and honey. In other words, I wish you both would stop espousing that theory, not because I don't like it because I fucking love it, but when it turns out that it was Days scapegoat Stefano or worse yet typical Days stunt casting or some random 3 month contract player with some tenuous revenge plot my disappointment will be crushing. Now that I have read this theory, anything short of EJ as kidnapper will feel like a huge waste of time and just a way to get blood out of this babyswitch storyline which has been sucked bone dry since September.
i so agree. i freaking love this theory, and if it turns out to be stefano or owen or dr. baker that took the baby i'm going to be pissed. i'm pretty sure we get a scene tomorrow showing an unknown woman with sydney, but for me, that doesn't mean anything. obviously if a major player had something to do with this, they're not going to be carting the baby around in plain sight.

PLEASE let it be ej!!!!
Edited by luvpumpkns, Dec 9 2009, 12:11 PM.
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^ Let me jump on the bandwagon for EJ theory!
And I hope that he keeps playing the "I'm in the dark" character along with Sami, and letting her believe that he is distraught and never letting her onto the fact that he has Sydney. And when Rafe suggests the Dimeras, Sami defends him, and EJ throws attention off of himself to someone else...maybe even Meredeth.

It would be a great twist, so in line with the original character of EJ and would finally show that Ej has his balls/brains back where they belong! Everyone will be happy!
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I hate Hope.


I totally think EJ is behind the Sydnapping sequel.

Vivian and Kate should get a whole hour, once a week.

That is all. :P
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It would be a great twist, so in line with the original character of EJ and would finally show that Ej has his balls/brains back where they belong! Everyone will be happy!
Those that believe that EJ's balls/brains belong on Sami's mantle or in her purse nestled between her cell phone and breath mints may not be too thrilled. Having EJ be the kidnapper (and a crack distributor to boot) does seem like another huge obstacle to Ejami, but it would bring EJ back to original recipe EJ. And no before the fanbases descend upon me like maggots on rotting decomposing flesh I am not a Safe or Lumi fan. Just a garden variety Sami hater.
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Dec 9 2009, 01:45 AM
So watching Days today I found myself very annoyed. So glad Mia isn't going to be Carly's daughter because she's just being a little witch. Carly was nothing but nice to her and now because Mia is uncomfortable with what she revealed she has to be rude and insolent. And that comment she made to Hope today about Carly and "how she shouldn't trust her and and should stay away from her", that was uncalled for. And then Hope's smart reply "smart girl"

The other thing that really burned me was Hope insisting on knowing Carly's secret and how that's somehow the problem in her marriage. First of all Hope it's none of your business. It's Carly's business and whomever else she deems worthy to know. And another thing, the reason your marriage is on the rocks is because it's your way or no way and you moved out. So take some responsibilities for your poor decision making and stop laying it at Carly's doorstep. Uh lately I just can't stand Hope's attitude. I usually like Hope a lot, but she's really pissing me off lately. I feel bad for Bo. He's just trying to help a friend out and I can respect that. But instead of some understanding all he gets in return is jealous accusations and a shrewish wife.

Oh and Hope forgive Carly for actually being friends with "YOUR FAMILY". She can't help it that she actually lived there and had connections with people some of them actually being Hortons. It makes me wish Francis were still on the show because Mrs. H and Carly always got on. Carly having saved her life and all (twice). And Alice having helped Frederick and Juanita rendezvous with one another without Victor knowing about it.

Sorry for the long rant but I am peeved.
You said everthing I would have said. I'm all for plot points and moving things along, but the whole Carly/Hope, Hope/Mia scenes were out of whack. It seems like they want to create conflict out of nothing. I can buy Hope being insecure about Carly cause of her past with Bo; but to imply that Carly's trying to horn in on her life! Unbelievable!!! :drunk:
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Now Rafe is giving orders to "Lock down the hospital."..... :rolleyes:

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Stupid Nicole should have put the hood that jacket has over her head to cover the dead animal she has lying on her head.
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So I watched today, waiting for Rafe to manhandle Nicole. Didn't see it... a restraint hold, and holding her by the collar of the parka.... wow, was that it? His words were a bit harsh, It wasn't like, "I'll kill you!" But they weren't kind and sweet, his words were brutish and his handling of her, was actually for an angered person, gentle. Not gentle as in kind and sweet, gentle as in not excessively rough for a man who has just been threatened with a pair of scissors. Never said, he was a saint, will completely deny it matter of fact, and he's definitely not perfect.
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Dec 9 2009, 02:07 PM
Now Rafe is giving orders to "Lock down the hospital."..... :rolleyes:

Being a loyal Rafe fan, I still went what the hell was that all about? When did Rafe become the chief?
Edited by kitkat, Dec 9 2009, 02:16 PM.
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