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| Days4Life | Dec 15 2009, 05:05 PM Post #101 |
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My thoughts exactly. Stefano said everything I've been yelling at the TV. It's so frustrating when Sami gets all hypocritical, conveniently forgetting about her own actions in this whole baby switch drama. And ITA about Sami being the one in the wrong. She barged uninvited into the Dimera mansion (Stefano really needs to put a lock on that door!), refuses to leave and then tapes him without his knowledge. She should be behind bars, too...maybe Nicole, Sami and Stefano could all be in a cell together...that would be fun to watch! I actually enjoyed the Hope and Vivian scenes today. I'm tired of bitchy princess Hope, but I could get on board with her doing some scheming to find out what's going on. I'd love to see her teaming up with Vivian to learn Carly's secret. |
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| Days4Life | Dec 15 2009, 05:10 PM Post #102 |
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I was shocked that Daniel and Carly did not totally annoy me; however, you're right...the real chemistry is with Justin and Carly. That surprised me, and I hope they go with it. I'd prefer a Daniel/Carly/Justin triangle to re-visiting Carly and Bo. I don't feel a lot of sparks there and really think Bo and Hope are past something like that. A couple really can have conflict in their marriage without a third party being involved! |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Dec 15 2009, 05:40 PM Post #103 |
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Bo and Hope do have conflict in their marriage without Carly involved. Their problems started even before she was in the picture. I think SC and CC could have very good chemistry once we get some romantic/intense kind of scenes with them. Right now, we only are getting friend scenes so it's too early to tell but I do agree that Justin and Carly at this point have something special. However, we've always seen them in some intense, confrontational scenes so that is why we've seen the chemistry. Then again, WK and CC had chemistry during their first runs on the show as well. I can see Carly having the scroll in her purse. She left Lawrence very quickly and just threw all her belongings together. She also is sort of on the move with no permanent place and has been reminiscing of late about things so she probably just had it on her. I think PR and CC have that same magic chemistry and think it will become even more apparent once they begin to become romantic again. |
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| Days4Life | Dec 15 2009, 05:50 PM Post #104 |
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When Bo and Hope's conflicts started, I was on board with the story, as I never felt they resolved their problems stemming from Zack's death. I wanted to see them recognize the problems and work through it together. However, now my concern is the writers will muddy the waters by throwing Carly into the mix. I've always been frustrated by the way this show is constantly using triangles to create conflict and don't think it's necessary to do it in this case. I did appreciate the conversation between Hope and Vivian where Hope mentioned the kidnapping and that their problems pre-dated Carly's arrival. |
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| karmakatch63 | Dec 15 2009, 06:58 PM Post #105 |
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Yes, yes and yes when it comes to Peter and Crystal. Just because Bo and Hope have been together a long time does not mean it has to stay. I am so sick and tired of "Bo and Hope have to be the end game...just cuz." Sometimes people do grow apart. In my mind, Bo getting treated by Carly as a trustworthy human being, as someone who matters, is HUGE. For years Hope has been treating Bo like a whipping boy. Hell, even when the man was dying she was yelling at him, demanding he live for her. Just once it would have been nice in that story for Hope to ask Bo what he was feelings, about his fears, his pain, his frustration. But that would have taken the focus off her needs and wants. I would like to see Bo and Carly get a chance to rekindle some feelings, and for Peter and Crystal to show the passion they brought to the screen. Then let people decide. |
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| cassie1013 | Dec 15 2009, 07:39 PM Post #106 |
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Really? I agree there's more chemistry with Carly and Justin, but I also saw a bit (in the short scenes we had) with Daniel. Then again, this is DAYS...they aren't going to let the Carly/Bo shop sail, IMO. |
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| cassie1013 | Dec 15 2009, 07:41 PM Post #107 |
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Perfect description, love it. |
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| karmakatch63 | Dec 15 2009, 07:54 PM Post #108 |
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I think people are wrong to think they won't let Bo and Carly rekindle, even if temporarily. If tptb are smart they will not dead end Bo and Hope the way they did John and Marlena, or Steve and Kayla. Reading the interview with Dee Hall in TV Guide Canada she talked about how she had hoped they would have kept WN's Dr North on and in a triange with John and Marlena. Sadly the supercouple fans would not have any of it. Same deal with Steve and Kayla. Throwing Ava in the mix had great possibilities. Keeping a triangle going for a long time, keeps veteran actors on top of their game, interested and the fans watching. I believe "end games" are a losing proposition for a genre known as "continuing drama." It cannot continue if there is an end game. |
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| lysie | Dec 15 2009, 08:14 PM Post #109 |
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It's all in how the triangle is written, IMO. The Alex North triangle was written horribly pretty much from the beginning, and I wasn't opposed to the triangle aspect originally. There were major problems with the Kayla/Steve/Ava triangle, too. I think they're doing a slightly better job with Hope/Bo/Carly, but as is typical there's a lot of character destruction happening to make it work. I don't think it's just about daring to break up the supercouple. We watch them go through so much to be together in the first place, that it's pretty contrived to believe that some of these people and circumstances could actually break them apart. The writing just has to be there, and with this show, it's pretty much always a miss when it comes to triangles. |
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| cassie1013 | Dec 15 2009, 08:18 PM Post #110 |
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Totally agree. I'm down for Bo and Carly, but I just don't want a Billie 2.0 situation. If they can invest in this story, and really have Bo and Hope move on - even if for a couple years - I could get behind it. Y&R did a great job of breaking up Victor and Nikki, to the point I never wanted them back together, but then they ruined it by reuniting them for the 2028423 time! Looking back, yeah, Ava was great in the Steve/Kayla mix. I thought Steve and Ava had really strong chemistry, but they threw that under the bus for the sake of Payla...who were MIA for fucking 16 years! And I'm still on the Hope and Steve train - they had some hot chemistry in the smooching scene. IMO, that would have been a great story - fucking with two supercouples at once! Awesome, LOL! I hate to rant, but I just really don't understand the Steve and Kayla thing. I don't think they gained any new fans during the second round, and it's telling they were let go within 2 years. He's cool and she's so homely...they seemed very, very mismatched to me. So for this reasoning alone, I hope they aren't scared to tread into some new territory with Bope. If it's great story, I'll watch! Edited by cassie1013, Dec 15 2009, 08:19 PM.
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| lysie | Dec 15 2009, 08:22 PM Post #111 |
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They're not my favorites, but I don't think it's telling at all. They weren't written for. If they had been written for, I think things would have been a lot different. It's hard to gain fans (and there's no way to know if they did or not) when you have no story. |
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| dooldooldool | Dec 15 2009, 09:07 PM Post #112 |
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DING DING DING DING Samantha was clearly caught off-guard when Stefano threw out the notion that she had orchestrated the kidnapping. On the other hand, the fact the writers mentioned it probably means it won't be true. We need something really juicy and staggeringly twist-worthy, not some tired old storyline about Bad DiMeras or Bad Elvis or Demented Widow. Those have all been done before. Reasons Sami would orchestrate the kidnapping: 1. Sami had planned to give Grace up for adoption. It was only her "bonding" with Rafe during the pregnancy that led her to the crazy idea of "adopting" her secret birth daughter anyway. 2. Sami doesn't want a second child to be in the DiMera grasp. Sending the child secretly away accomplishes this and also allows her family to still know and love Sydney. 3. None of Sami's children have "bonded" with Sydney, as they had with Grace. Sydney was a Sami Spawn in the Sami Townouse for barely one day before Nicole stole her away. Allie and Johnny do not know Sydney as a Sami Baby. (Obviously Johnny would know his sister, but that is in DiMeraWorld, not in SamiLand.) 4. Carrie and Austin stepped up and cared for Will when he fled Salem. 5. Anna is squarely on Team Brady. She was money-hungry when SAMI found her on the pier and dragged her to the Brady Pub with the Santo+Colleen letters. Anna presumably has $$$$ as the Widow DiMera and wants to both hurt DiMeras and help Bradys. 6. Marlena and John are in Switzerland, so they will help raise Sydney offscreen (a la ERIC Brady being raised by his grandparents in Colorado) 7. If Sami is the culprit, it returns her to her scheming roots AND gives Rafe something to be pi$$ed about when he eventually finds out. (Sami: "I had a secret. You have a secret. We are even.") 8. Baby-snatching happened in Cleveland, outside the Salem jurisdiction, so Roman could be an accomplic and not be forced from the Salem PD when little brother Bo finds out the truth. 9. EJ becomes full-on EVIL once the whole truth comes out in 2011 or 2012. It could be a delightful, stunning twist that no one could predict. Except Stefano. He and Sami are more alike than not. Edited by dooldooldool, Dec 15 2009, 09:10 PM.
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| karmakatch63 | Dec 15 2009, 09:13 PM Post #113 |
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No doubt the writing was lacking/is lacking....though not as much now as back during the North/Marlena/John stuff. Clearly Dee had chemistry with both men and there were fans of J/M but also fans of Wayne and Dee. A lot of people, including me, actually like Marlena a whole lot better with Wayne's Roman. To me, they were more believable, more real and funny together. Their real life friendship came though. I never thought the writers gave the Steve/Ava/Kayla stuff a chance. Ava was exposed and it was over. They moved her on to roboJohn. Another wasted opportunity. Of course, Bo and Carly had a real love story, no contrivances of Bo thinking Carly was Hope the way Marlena originally believed RoJohn was Roman. And no amnesia like Steve with Kayla. Bo and Carly were hot together, had quite a strong fan following. Again, the whole supercouple as end game to me hurt the actors, the genre. Continuing drama can't continue with an end game. JMO As for character destruction, I don't think so. Hope is being her demanding self...she has always been demanding of Bo, and angry when he does not follow her lead. Carly is an abused woman, and thus changed. Bo has changed too. He still carries the guilt and pain of Zach's death; and continues to allow Hope to blame him. To me there is a good story potential for all of them. Justin and Hope may turn to each other out of need. It happens. I just don't want the story pathetically shortened or ruined because of supercouple fans. If they go that route, I have no doubt Peter and Kristian will soon be shipped out like the others. What is the point of keeping expensive actors as props for the same old, same old, same old. |
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| dooldooldool | Dec 15 2009, 09:20 PM Post #114 |
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Silly, yes, but I got the impression that the scroll is what she had "forgotten". She probably had it clenched in her hand when she slept in the Bope Bed and it fell behind the mattress when Hope arrived and awakened her. LOL. She never stated what she was there to retrieve and I can imagine that as she packed her one suitcase in Alemainia and fled, she reached into her secret heirloom drawer and pulled out that scroll. Dropping her Mega Purse. That was the dumb and poorly acted part of the sequence. Frankly, I think the writers are just teasing us and laying it on thick with this Carly-Longing-For-Her-Ex snippets and glances. Carly came back to Salem to escape persecution for killing Lawrence and to see her daughter. She isn't there to roll in the hay with an ex-. |
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| karmakatch63 | Dec 15 2009, 09:46 PM Post #115 |
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LOL. I am the opposite with Steve and Kayla. Loved Kay, wondered what she ever saw in Steve. I thought his "cool" was so overdone. If I had to hear "dude" or "dudette" one more time, I would scream. But I loved the concept of a Kayla, a single mother who put herself through medical school. If they had kept her a single, strong female it would have been better....for me. As for Steve and Hope. Never saw the chemistry but then neither actor has impressed me all that much. Don't dislike them...just saw them as both average when it came to showing passion onscreen. JMO |
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| AlisonLou | Dec 15 2009, 10:11 PM Post #116 |
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A little off topic but what are the writers doing to Louise's(Vivian's) hair and makeup? It's hideous! She looks like a Raggedy Ann doll! Is the hair a wig? They need to tone down Louise's makeup. It's making her face look a bit clownish! |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Dec 15 2009, 11:24 PM Post #117 |
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Yeah but the Carly angle HAD to be played IMo if the opportunity ever presented itself. It's a goldmine of a story. She was the one woman other then Hope who made a huge impact on Bo and could rival Hope. Billie was loved by Bo but it was not the same and they played the Billie card so many times. Plus, after Billie exited the first time, they took Billie down the wrong path. When Lisa Rinna left as Billie the first time, the character was rootable. She made a huge sacrifice to let Bo sort out his feelings. Billie began to change two years into Krista Allen's run and they destroyed who the character was. That was character destruction and they never really repaired the damage until the end of Julie Pinson's run. Triangles are all about the writing. If you can use a triangle to create a good story and further develop characters (which I think you can here and which I think the show has demonstrated thus far), then you do it. I feel no couple is beyond triangles or quads if they are done right. If this were Billie/Bo/Hope again, then I could see your point. This has never been played and any writer would be stupid not to play it. The fact that Bo and Hope's problems are what got the ball rolling and they are being split in a very realistic manner (especially by Days standards) makes it all the better. |
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| DrewHamilton | Dec 15 2009, 11:30 PM Post #118 |
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Today wasn't anything special at all, but I enjoyed the episode from start to finish. Bo and Carly are making a fan out of me. I love seeing their flashbacks. Kristian Alfonso looked great today! The last time I thought she looked good she had her hair raised too. She needs to do that more often. She looks 10 years younger and her face doesn't look so sunken in when her hair is up. I liked Hope and Vivian's scenes. They're both only using each other and it seems they both know it. Brady and Arianna were boring today. But I did like how Brady refused to see Nicole to prove he's committed to pursuing something with Ari. I loved Stefano and Sami going at it today. I liked the camera angles they used when Stefano attacked Sami to expose the wire. It was really intense and both actors played well in those scenes. |
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| lysie | Dec 15 2009, 11:30 PM Post #119 |
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The character Wayne was playing wasn't Roman, though. That made a HUGE difference in the believability of the relationship. But that's neither here nor there anymore. Like I said before, I agree that the writing is better now, and I think that there are reasons everyone is behaving the way they are. I just think they've taken Hope to the extreme and made her unlikable. Over the last couple of weeks they seem to have reeled it in a bit, but in a good triangle all of the characters should technically be at least somewhat likable and not just likable because you really want them to be with the guy no matter what. |
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| DrewHamilton | Dec 15 2009, 11:33 PM Post #120 |
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I also agree that no couple is beyond triangles when the triangle is written correctly. As long as all three angles of the triangle are still acting in character, and no one is being trashed for another person, then the triangle can be a success. Unfortunately, it comes down to lazy writing when writers decide to just villainize one character to praise the "money couple" or the outcome couple. |
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