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I didn't say they shouldn't use history. I said they need to do so creatively which they are not. Bope have been married for years and the only thing they can think to use is the SAME thing every single time. I don't believe for a second this is the only issue they have between them. Both are working adults with healthy egos, especially when it comes to their jobs and fighting over Hope's jealousy is still the only problem they are allowed to have? That's silly and childish and being written for all the younger audience who TPTB are afraid won't get into a more mature storyline.
Sorry but if you think it's only younger viewers who won't tune in for a story like that your wrong.
Just look at the primetime ratings or what does good at the box office. People eat up dumbed down crap. I don't like it either. I like intelligent stories I like stories that delve into psychological issues. However, I'm know damn well that in today's age you have to make your show accessible. People will not flock to their screens to watch a married couple fight over career issues. It's just not happening. Maybe it would for Y&R but that is the lone exception.
so you're saying that the writers cannot craft a more mature storyline appealing or riveting or exciting enough for wider audience that will bring in ratings? That they can't, for lack of a better word, fool that larger part of the audience the suits think get them the ratings into watching something that has layers? that it's not possible? I don't believe that.
Oh, they are capable but I think BOPE together is so played out that there isn't a whole lot to go with there that would appeal to a wide range of the audience.
I'm just thinking of this from the big picture. You have to do what appeals to the largest amount of audience. I'm sure there are people out there who feel the same as many in this thread but unless they own a Nielson box, it doesn't end up mattering.
Bo/Carly? Meh. I really disliked Carly the first time around (REALLY disliked - ok HATED) and am disappointed TPTB decided to go a romantic route/triangle with Bope and Carly. First off, I'm more than tired of the played out triangle scenario and in the second place, I simply don't buy it. Yes Carly/Bo connected when Hope was 'dead' because Hope was DEAD. Hope is very much alive and I would prefer to see Bo/Hope have their marriage play out - dealing with their struggles and angst, whatever - than go down this route. It cheapens everything IMO.
This was a story where the writers really had to craft it just right in order for it to be a success, and I'm not sure if they've done that so far. I don't know if it's because I just don't buy the pre-existing "issues" in Bope's marriage or if I just don't care, but something isn't clicking. I feel like they didn't dot all their I's and cross all their T's before jumping into this with both feet.
Remember back in 2002 when Bo learned the truth about JT's paternity and it completely shattered his marriage to Hope? That was a breakup I could buy. It was legitimate. Bringing Carly into the picture back then would've made sense because Bo was vulnerable and his marriage had reached its lowest point ever. I would've bought it completely. The stuff we're seeing now though just seems so forced. Yeah, it might be "realistic" for couples to fight like this, but on a soap opera it just seems like a cheap way to break up a legacy couple. After everything that Bo and Hope have been through, are they really going to get a divorce over a lack of healthy communication and misinterpreted situations? It just seems so lightweight to me. The original "issues" in their marriage don't even seen to matter anymore. It's all so fluffy. So lightweight.
If the writers are going to fracture Bo and Hope's marriage, they need to do it in a legitimate way so that Bo/Carly are a duo to be taken seriously. Tear them apart with something that has weight and substance -- like the paternity reveal in 2002. Don't just turn Hope into a paranoid bitchy shrew and have her misunderstand every word that comes out of Bo's mouth so they have something to fight about. That's cheap and lazy. And for God's sake, don't have Bo saying all this stupid shit that he knows Hope is going to misunderstand and go cuckoo over just to get under her skin. Again... it's cheap (and boring) and lazy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the Bo/Carly interaction, but Bo and Hope are pretty much being tossed to the wolves in order to facilitate this story. When they're on the screen together, I just want to punch the TV set and I've never felt that way before when watching those two. This shouldn't be a story where I have to hate "Bope" in order to love "Barly." I should enjoy both couples and feel torn about who I want with who. Instead, the writers are making Bo and Hope completely unlikable when they're together just so viewers will love "the other couple" and it's driving me bonkers.
Bo and Hope as brainless assholes = BIG thumbs down.
We often dont' agree Kenny - but I wanna marry this post!! :D
The good news is we are clearly moving to the next level of all this.
I'm fearful of taking it to the next level when the first level was executed so shoddily. For me, the biggest factor of this whole thing is Bo and Hope's breakup. That's what will really make or break this story, IMO. If their marriage doesn't end for reasons that I buy/understand/care about, then it's always going to feel unresolved and messy to me and I won't be able to fully jump onboard the "Barly" train, LoL.
And, based on the reaction here, the next level
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(Bo and Carly jumping into the sack)
isn't met with much excitement, either. And to top it off, the supposed initial catalyst, the ransom for Ciara, is being
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recycled with the Sydney story?
WHAT next level? Let me know when we've reached it. I feel like the wheel's stuck in the mud again.
Sorry but if you think it's only younger viewers who won't tune in for a story like that your wrong.
Just look at the primetime ratings or what does good at the box office. People eat up dumbed down crap. I don't like it either. I like intelligent stories I like stories that delve into psychological issues. However, I'm know damn well that in today's age you have to make your show accessible. People will not flock to their screens to watch a married couple fight over career issues. It's just not happening. Maybe it would for Y&R but that is the lone exception.
so you're saying that the writers cannot craft a more mature storyline appealing or riveting or exciting enough for wider audience that will bring in ratings? That they can't, for lack of a better word, fool that larger part of the audience the suits think get them the ratings into watching something that has layers? that it's not possible? I don't believe that.
Oh, they are capable but I think BOPE together is so played out that there isn't a whole lot to go with there that would appeal to a wide range of the audience.
I'm just thinking of this from the big picture. You have to do what appeals to the largest amount of audience. I'm sure there are people out there who feel the same as many in this thread but unless they own a Nielson box, it doesn't end up mattering.
I honestly don't believe the majority of the audience wants to see Bo and Hope break up. Sure there are Bo and Carly fans - but I would still hazard the majority of the viewing audience is firmly in the Bope camp (even if they are writing Hope like a shrew and Bo as a pinhead).
Glad I'm not the only Barly fan. Bope have bored me for years
The child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is the stuff of my childhood nightmares. I can't get past it to read anything you are posting. I'm in a fetal position weeping right now.
Glad I'm not the only Barly fan. Bope have bored me for years
The child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is the stuff of my childhood nightmares. I can't get past it to read anything you are posting. I'm in a fetal position weeping right now.
LoL, I wish he would get rid of that damn avatar. It scares the shit out of me. Rick introduced me to "the child catcher" on YouTube a few years ago and it was one of the creepiest things I'd ever seen.
Glad I'm not the only Barly fan. Bope have bored me for years
The child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is the stuff of my childhood nightmares. I can't get past it to read anything you are posting. I'm in a fetal position weeping right now.
:hail: Thank you! I couldn't remember who that was but had pretty similar reaction when I saw the avatar. :run:
"We are really pleased with the show in 2009 and in 2010, we have even bigger cards in the deck to play," declares Executive Producer Ken Corday.
Thank you Corday for stepping in and allowing your HEAD WRITER to ditch another interview to preview "her stories." I can't wait until the other soaps release their previews. At least then, we'll hear from the writers, who may actually be passionate about shit they wrote. Ron Carlivati, I'm talking to you! :wave:
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Sami/Rafe/EJ:We know now that Anna has the baby, but we don't know why. Anna contacts Sami and EJ to exchange Sydney for $5 million, but Rafe brings in the FBI and things go terribly wrong. Sami and Rafe can't help but blame each other for the botched ransom exchange. There's a huge twist concerning Anna and Sydney. Can't miss this one.
Only $5 million? You would think someone with Anna's taste would want a little more, especially when she knows that $5 million is chump change for the DiMeras. Tony's death must have caused her to lose her touch. Didn't Anna do the same thing to Carrie? She wanted money in return for telling Roman where his daughter was. I hope someone brings up how horribe of a mother Anna was in the past. I wonder if Anna will let them know that she has Sydney, or will she continue to talk to Sami and EJ through ransom letters. Oh and finally some real conflict for Rafe and Sami! I'm glad his macho shit finally comes between them. He always thinks his way is the right way. Guess again, douchebag!
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Arianna/Brady/Nicole:At Nicole's trial, Brady is the only one that stands up for her. Arianna is unnerved by Brady's unwavering support of Nicole. Arianna has even bigger problems when Troy begins to plot her demise.
Aside from the EJ and Arianna scenes I'm hoping we get through this storyline, I don't have a care in the world.
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Hope/Bo/Carly/Justin/Victor/Vivian:There will be a huge turn of events with Hope, Bo, Carly, and Justin. Bo and Carly make love. Hope turns to Justin, who still harbors feelings for her. We know his feelings for her are stronger than hers for him. The story moves quickly and continues to move quickly into a huge storyline coming up for Hope in early spring. Meanwhile, Carly tries to build a relationship with her daughter, but she is finding it more painful and difficult than she thought. Time is running out for Vivian as Victor grows impatient with her plan to destroy Carly. She manages to narrow down the identity of Carly's daughter. Is it Mia or Melanie? That will be revealed.
I wonder if Hope sleeps with Justin. I hope not. I hope she just turns to him for comfort, maybe a kiss could go down, but I really don't want to see anything else with these two. At least with Bo and Carly, there's history there. They were lovers before and the close quarters they've experienced in the last few months probably brings up those old feelings. I'm excited to see what this storyline could lead to for Hope. I bet Hope ends up getting hurt by something meant for Carly, maybe by Vivian or Lawrence? I could see Lawrence being alive and taking Hope prisoner, forcing Bo to choose between Hope and Carly. That would be great!
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Phillip/Melanie/Nathan/Stephanie:The upcoming wedding of Phillip and Melanie is big. Kate and Vivian vie over Melanie, desperate to be part of the wedding plans. There's a huge cliff hanger at the end of January: Will they or won't they marry? Who will stop the wedding? Who will stop someone from stopping the wedding?
I'm looking forward to Kate and Vivian's rivalry being featured in this storyline and that's probably the only thing I am looking forward to. I could see Nathan trying to stop the wedding, and Stephanie being the one that tries to stop him from trying to stop the weddding. That would be awesome! It would give Stephanie that edge we've all been asking for more of without actually villainizing her.
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Mia/Will/Chad/Gabi:Gabi warns Mia that she can't have both Chad and Will. Will catches on to Mia's indecision and breaks up with her.
Unlike the majority here, I love this teen set and I think it's the best we've had since Shawn, Belle, Philip, Chloe etc. The Max, Chelsea, Abby teen set sucked. This one is so much better. I'm glad Gabi is going to be the one to call Mia out. And hell yeah to Will breaking up with Mia. I'm hoping this brings out Mia's bitch because I can't stand her "woe is me" routine.
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Big Changes:A tragic event will occur that will affect many lives. I don't want to get more specific, but stay tuned. You're going to see a lot of great performances.
Glad I'm not the only Barly fan. Bope have bored me for years
The child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is the stuff of my childhood nightmares. I can't get past it to read anything you are posting. I'm in a fetal position weeping right now.
:hail: Thank you! I couldn't remember who that was but had pretty similar reaction when I saw the avatar. :run:
OMG. I hadn't been paying attention, and now I feel the need to hide under my desk. I was afraid of the ice cream truck in my grandparents' neighborhood for years after seeing that movie.
Sorry but if you think it's only younger viewers who won't tune in for a story like that your wrong.
Just look at the primetime ratings or what does good at the box office. People eat up dumbed down crap. I don't like it either. I like intelligent stories I like stories that delve into psychological issues. However, I'm know damn well that in today's age you have to make your show accessible. People will not flock to their screens to watch a married couple fight over career issues. It's just not happening. Maybe it would for Y&R but that is the lone exception.
so you're saying that the writers cannot craft a more mature storyline appealing or riveting or exciting enough for wider audience that will bring in ratings? That they can't, for lack of a better word, fool that larger part of the audience the suits think get them the ratings into watching something that has layers? that it's not possible? I don't believe that.
Oh, they are capable but I think BOPE together is so played out that there isn't a whole lot to go with there that would appeal to a wide range of the audience.
I'm just thinking of this from the big picture. You have to do what appeals to the largest amount of audience. I'm sure there are people out there who feel the same as many in this thread but unless they own a Nielson box, it doesn't end up mattering.
to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying and not jumping to conclusions...you're saying that the writers can write a story that would appeal to more than just one segment of the audience but that Bope are so played out, that the only aspect of their relationship that the audience will buy as a way to break them up is the one they're using now. do I have that right?
so you're saying that the writers cannot craft a more mature storyline appealing or riveting or exciting enough for wider audience that will bring in ratings? That they can't, for lack of a better word, fool that larger part of the audience the suits think get them the ratings into watching something that has layers? that it's not possible? I don't believe that.
Oh, they are capable but I think BOPE together is so played out that there isn't a whole lot to go with there that would appeal to a wide range of the audience.
I'm just thinking of this from the big picture. You have to do what appeals to the largest amount of audience. I'm sure there are people out there who feel the same as many in this thread but unless they own a Nielson box, it doesn't end up mattering.
to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying and not jumping to conclusions...you're saying that the writers can write a story that would appeal to more than just one segment of the audience but that Bope are so played out, that the only aspect of their relationship that the audience will buy as a way to break them up is the one they're using now. do I have that right?
If that's the case, might as well ship them off to Switzerland with the other half of the banished Salemites. :D
The child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is the stuff of my childhood nightmares. I can't get past it to read anything you are posting. I'm in a fetal position weeping right now.
:hail: Thank you! I couldn't remember who that was but had pretty similar reaction when I saw the avatar. :run:
OMG. I hadn't been paying attention, and now I feel the need to hide under my desk. I was afraid of the ice cream truck in my grandparents' neighborhood for years after seeing that movie.
I had to refresh my memory on Youtube. I totally forgot Benny Hill was in that movie :laugh:
so you're saying that the writers cannot craft a more mature storyline appealing or riveting or exciting enough for wider audience that will bring in ratings? That they can't, for lack of a better word, fool that larger part of the audience the suits think get them the ratings into watching something that has layers? that it's not possible? I don't believe that.
Oh, they are capable but I think BOPE together is so played out that there isn't a whole lot to go with there that would appeal to a wide range of the audience.
I'm just thinking of this from the big picture. You have to do what appeals to the largest amount of audience. I'm sure there are people out there who feel the same as many in this thread but unless they own a Nielson box, it doesn't end up mattering.
to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying and not jumping to conclusions...you're saying that the writers can write a story that would appeal to more than just one segment of the audience but that Bope are so played out, that the only aspect of their relationship that the audience will buy as a way to break them up is the one they're using now. do I have that right?
Yep. That's what I'm saying.
I actually feel the plan was to make Bo and Hope the next Mickey and Maggie (which is why they kept them since they are from the show's two core families) but I think somewhere along the way the show felt it needed a strong story involving the older cast and decided to center it on them.
What the .....? This is the second kidnapping case this year. Can't the writers think of something more original??????? Let me quess! Syndey is going to join Grace in the cemetery along with Anna. :moon:
I would LOVE a business SL incorporating the DiMeras, Ks and Alamains! One of my fave SL of this year was the DK war. Just one correction- I don't want Melanie or the teens ANYWHERE in this SL!!!!!
Oh, they are capable but I think BOPE together is so played out that there isn't a whole lot to go with there that would appeal to a wide range of the audience.
I'm just thinking of this from the big picture. You have to do what appeals to the largest amount of audience. I'm sure there are people out there who feel the same as many in this thread but unless they own a Nielson box, it doesn't end up mattering.
to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying and not jumping to conclusions...you're saying that the writers can write a story that would appeal to more than just one segment of the audience but that Bope are so played out, that the only aspect of their relationship that the audience will buy as a way to break them up is the one they're using now. do I have that right?
Yep. That's what I'm saying.
I actually feel the plan was to make Bo and Hope the next Mickey and Maggie (which is why they kept them since they are from the show's two core families) but I think somewhere along the way the show felt it needed a strong story involving the older cast and decided to center it on them.
what is the point of writing a story involving the older part of the cast, presumably to bring in more of those viewers if the writers aim it at the level of the rest of the audience instead of the age group the characters are part of? eta: and I'm not saying, they couldn't make it appeal to the younger viewers as well, just that they're NOT making it appeal to the demo they ought to be targeting.
LOTL: I don't think that's the case but obviously TPTB disagree