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SOD Confirms: Bryan Dattilo Out; Update: No exit story at all, will last air in Feb.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:21 PM
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Many people on the boards may feel that way but, as we've seen this past year, the numbers went up despite Days getting heavy negative reactions on the boards. That is what I mean. There may be alot of people on this board and elsewhere that are sick of her but how many offline or elsewhere are? How many fans of her from BL tune in?
I think her current story position makes her invaluable more then anything else. She is part of two popular pairings and has been frontburner with the exception of two short periods of time for more then 15 years. Contrast that with others who all have had their turns on the backburner over the years. I think the audience is used to her and that she is pretty much the one they can't stand to lose. If the show lasts more then another 5 years and she goes the way of vets like DH, KA, PR, SN, MBE, etc and begins to see her role slowly diminished, then I think the situation would not be so bad but, right now, I think that would be the one thing to truly hurt Days.
AS was a part of two popular pairings (well, I'd call EJami a semi-pairing, but Lord knows they spent a ton of time on the front burner together, romantic or no) and was heavily, heavily frontburnered during Sheffer's reign, when ratings steadily declined. I don't think it's a coincidence that AS wasn't as heavily frontburnered when ratings started to stabilize and climb starting last fall. AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense.
My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:26 PM
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He hasn't really had a good storyline since I returned to watching Days. I wish him the best and I really don't think his departure will make much of an impact with the ratings.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:27 PM
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Many people on the boards may feel that way but, as we've seen this past year, the numbers went up despite Days getting heavy negative reactions on the boards. That is what I mean. There may be alot of people on this board and elsewhere that are sick of her but how many offline or elsewhere are? How many fans of her from BL tune in?
I think her current story position makes her invaluable more then anything else. She is part of two popular pairings and has been frontburner with the exception of two short periods of time for more then 15 years. Contrast that with others who all have had their turns on the backburner over the years. I think the audience is used to her and that she is pretty much the one they can't stand to lose. If the show lasts more then another 5 years and she goes the way of vets like DH, KA, PR, SN, MBE, etc and begins to see her role slowly diminished, then I think the situation would not be so bad but, right now, I think that would be the one thing to truly hurt Days.
AS was a part of two popular pairings (well, I'd call EJami a semi-pairing, but Lord knows they spent a ton of time on the front burner together, romantic or no) and was heavily, heavily frontburnered during Sheffer's reign, when ratings steadily declined. I don't think it's a coincidence that AS wasn't as heavily frontburnered when ratings started to stabilize and climb starting last fall.
AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense. My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story. I see what you are saying but I don't quite agree because truth be told - many of the fan base fans favor one person in the pairing over another. How many EJami fans are huge fans of James Scott, first and foremost? I would say the same holds true of Safe and Lumi fans - I would argue that many of their fans favor the leading men over Alison Sweeney.
Would I be upset and sad if Ali left DAYS? Absolutely. I've been hoping, praying, campaigning and begging for EJami to be paired for more than 3 years. But if James Scott stayed with the show - so would I. :shrug:
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Dec 21 2009, 05:28 PM
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Many people on the boards may feel that way but, as we've seen this past year, the numbers went up despite Days getting heavy negative reactions on the boards. That is what I mean. There may be alot of people on this board and elsewhere that are sick of her but how many offline or elsewhere are? How many fans of her from BL tune in?
I think her current story position makes her invaluable more then anything else. She is part of two popular pairings and has been frontburner with the exception of two short periods of time for more then 15 years. Contrast that with others who all have had their turns on the backburner over the years. I think the audience is used to her and that she is pretty much the one they can't stand to lose. If the show lasts more then another 5 years and she goes the way of vets like DH, KA, PR, SN, MBE, etc and begins to see her role slowly diminished, then I think the situation would not be so bad but, right now, I think that would be the one thing to truly hurt Days.
AS was a part of two popular pairings (well, I'd call EJami a semi-pairing, but Lord knows they spent a ton of time on the front burner together, romantic or no) and was heavily, heavily frontburnered during Sheffer's reign, when ratings steadily declined. I don't think it's a coincidence that AS wasn't as heavily frontburnered when ratings started to stabilize and climb starting last fall.
AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense. My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story. BUT, eventually, she won't be in the A stories, depending on who is coming up. But, I doubt Mia will be a replacement. I don't know where the Carly stuff will lead, but it is possible that Carly could get A stories, because it seems like she is piquing more and more interest. I've noticed on boards how more people seem to be tired of Sami, but is that a reflection of the general viewing population? Time will tell, I guess. And, again, as long as AS is on TBL, there's that cross-pollination effect that NBC probably doesn't want to lose. At the risk of being chased with meat cleavers by both Sami and marlena fans, I think AS, like Dee Hall, has slipped in the acting ability category. Now, this isn't just based on my observation, but again, by what I've read on boards. I thought Dee Hall was a fabulous actress in the early days. It seemed, after her big lead A storylines, however, things seemed to slip. Right now, it seems like I read more and more comments about Sami being boring and more and more negative aspects of AS's acting. Just my perception, maybe. Is it because there's a diva element? Is it because there's too much pressure? I dunno. But, I don't think AS is indefinitely infallible. In the upcoming foreseen future, yeah, probably. If these A stories cause ratings to slip, though, who knows?
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Dec 21 2009, 05:30 PM
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Many people on the boards may feel that way but, as we've seen this past year, the numbers went up despite Days getting heavy negative reactions on the boards. That is what I mean. There may be alot of people on this board and elsewhere that are sick of her but how many offline or elsewhere are? How many fans of her from BL tune in?
I think her current story position makes her invaluable more then anything else. She is part of two popular pairings and has been frontburner with the exception of two short periods of time for more then 15 years. Contrast that with others who all have had their turns on the backburner over the years. I think the audience is used to her and that she is pretty much the one they can't stand to lose. If the show lasts more then another 5 years and she goes the way of vets like DH, KA, PR, SN, MBE, etc and begins to see her role slowly diminished, then I think the situation would not be so bad but, right now, I think that would be the one thing to truly hurt Days.
AS was a part of two popular pairings (well, I'd call EJami a semi-pairing, but Lord knows they spent a ton of time on the front burner together, romantic or no) and was heavily, heavily frontburnered during Sheffer's reign, when ratings steadily declined. I don't think it's a coincidence that AS wasn't as heavily frontburnered when ratings started to stabilize and climb starting last fall.
AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense. My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story.
I see what you are saying but I don't quite agree because truth be told - many of the fan base fans favor one person in the pairing over another. How many EJami fans are huge fans of James Scott, first and foremost? I would say the same holds true of Safe and Lumi fans - I would argue that many of their fans favor the leading men over Alison Sweeney. Would I be upset and sad if Ali left DAYS? Absolutely. I've been hoping, praying, campaigning and begging for EJami to be paired for more than 3 years. But if James Scott stayed with the show - so would I. :shrug: Yeah but if AS leaves, you still don't get that pairing. So, even if you are merely a JS or GG fan, if you want that pairing you are screwed.
I think if this were two years ago, the show could survive it. However, her current position on the canvas is what makes me think if she left the show would be in disarray. It's like Marlena in the 90's. I know many aren't buying her in that kind of position or as a heroine but I know for a fact many are and even those that don't buy it would leave if she left. I just think she is the one person that Days has to pray doesn't jump.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:30 PM
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AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense.
My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story. I didn't say the numbers reflect an anti-AS sentiment. What I'm saying is they reflect that the show doesn't have to be the Days of Sami's Life or risk a ratings plummet.
You and I may have a different definition of front-burner. I think Alison is being used somewhat differently than when Sheffer was writing and ratings were dropping. Back then Sami was in the middle of a constantly ping-ponging triangle with Lucas and EJ. Then we had history written to give us the hideous Santeen storyline (twice the Sami at half the price) and of course, who can forget the vendetta storyline which had Sami become the savior of all the Bradys. Sami was driving story during Sheffer's reign, more so than anyone else. I don't think that has been as much the case over the last year. It's hard to argue that the baby switch story isn't primarily Nicole's; it's certainly been told primarily, if not exclusively, from her point of view. Sami and Rafe as a couple have taken up a lot of screen time, but Sami/Rafe/EJ has hardly been a triangle at all--nothing like the Lucas/Sami/EJ triangle was a couple of years ago.
I just see some difference in the way AS has been used. Though Sami has been glitterized to high heaven, and there's still way too much Sami for my taste, other people are getting more of a chance to shine: first (and still) AZ, and now CC and LS look like they're going to be driving story. Unfortunately for me there seems to be no real risk of Alison leaving the show, but I simply don't think the character is irreplaceable.
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I like Lucas and was sort of hoping for a Lumi reunion once the Ejami story was finished. The problem with Lucas, writing or no writing, is that he became so shouty to the point I wanted to shove pencils in my ears. I have many found memories of Lucas and whenever I see old flashbacks of Sami and Lucas I get verklempt at how young they look and sound.
Hopefully, Bryan will look at this as an opportunity rather than a door shutting. And anyway, Bryan as Lucas can always come back on Days in the future, I'm not worried.
On the subject of If Ali S. was the one to be let go, I think the show would suffer. There are many women who identify with Sami and admire Ali.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:34 PM
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AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense.
My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story.
I didn't say the numbers reflect an anti-AS sentiment. What I'm saying is they reflect that the show doesn't have to be the Days of Sami's Life or risk a ratings plummet. You and I may have a different definition of front-burner. I think Alison is being used somewhat differently than when Sheffer was writing and ratings were dropping. Back then Sami was in the middle of a constantly ping-ponging triangle with Lucas and EJ. Then we had history written to give us the hideous Santeen storyline (twice the Sami at half the price) and of course, who can forget the vendetta storyline which had Sami become the savior of all the Bradys. Sami was driving story during Sheffer's reign, more so than anyone else. I don't think that has been as much the case over the last year. It's hard to argue that the baby switch story isn't primarily Nicole's; it's certainly been told primarily, if not exclusively, from her point of view. Sami and Rafe as a couple have taken up a lot of screen time, but Sami/Rafe/EJ has hardly been a triangle at all--nothing like the Lucas/Sami/EJ triangle was a couple of years ago. I just see some difference in the way AS has been used. Though Sami has been glitterized to high heaven, and there's still way too much Sami for my taste, other people are getting more of a chance to shine: first (and still) AZ, and now CC and LS look like they're going to be driving story. Unfortunately for me there seems to be no real risk of Alison leaving the show, but I simply don't think the character is irreplaceable. I often wonder if the higher ratings aren't a reflection of those actors getting to shine as opposed to a Sami A story. And, if the Ciara kidnapping had been handled differently (maybe in a similar manner), I wonder if there would be the same result? Was it the actors, the characters, or the very premise? Course, none of this has to do with BD. Unfortunately, I agree with those who say his absence won't affect ratings much.
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There are many women who identify with Sami and admire Ali. I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say I honestly can't imagine why. The character is uneducated, unemployed, has a passel of kids she doesn't pay attention to unless forced to and doesn't really do anything interesting at all any more. I don't see her as a role model in the slightest, not to mention which she has the fugliest hair on the planet. The uneducated, unemployed, neglectful mother stuff wouldn't bother me on a character who was supposed to be a loser or at least a villainess, but Sami isn't that anymore. I'm supposed to apparently be admiring her heroism and wonderfulness even though I see not one thing about her that would make me admire her. When I'm looking for role models, people like Sami Brady don't come to mind.
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Many people on the boards may feel that way but, as we've seen this past year, the numbers went up despite Days getting heavy negative reactions on the boards. That is what I mean. There may be alot of people on this board and elsewhere that are sick of her but how many offline or elsewhere are? How many fans of her from BL tune in?
I think her current story position makes her invaluable more then anything else. She is part of two popular pairings and has been frontburner with the exception of two short periods of time for more then 15 years. Contrast that with others who all have had their turns on the backburner over the years. I think the audience is used to her and that she is pretty much the one they can't stand to lose. If the show lasts more then another 5 years and she goes the way of vets like DH, KA, PR, SN, MBE, etc and begins to see her role slowly diminished, then I think the situation would not be so bad but, right now, I think that would be the one thing to truly hurt Days.
AS was a part of two popular pairings (well, I'd call EJami a semi-pairing, but Lord knows they spent a ton of time on the front burner together, romantic or no) and was heavily, heavily frontburnered during Sheffer's reign, when ratings steadily declined. I don't think it's a coincidence that AS wasn't as heavily frontburnered when ratings started to stabilize and climb starting last fall.
AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense. My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story.
BUT, eventually, she won't be in the A stories, depending on who is coming up. But, I doubt Mia will be a replacement. I don't know where the Carly stuff will lead, but it is possible that Carly could get A stories, because it seems like she is piquing more and more interest. I've noticed on boards how more people seem to be tired of Sami, but is that a reflection of the general viewing population? Time will tell, I guess. And, again, as long as AS is on TBL, there's that cross-pollination effect that NBC probably doesn't want to lose. At the risk of being chased with meat cleavers by both Sami and marlena fans, I think AS, like Dee Hall, has slipped in the acting ability category. Now, this isn't just based on my observation, but again, by what I've read on boards. I thought Dee Hall was a fabulous actress in the early days. It seemed, after her big lead A storylines, however, things seemed to slip. Right now, it seems like I read more and more comments about Sami being boring and more and more negative aspects of AS's acting. Just my perception, maybe. Is it because there's a diva element? Is it because there's too much pressure? I dunno. But, I don't think AS is indefinitely infallible. In the upcoming foreseen future, yeah, probably. If these A stories cause ratings to slip, though, who knows? I think you hit on a few great points.
Let's say Sami slips down to a B story for 6 month so or so once the kidnapping stuff is over and Hope/Bo/Carly/etc takes over the A position, then maybe the situation changes a bit. I think if she starts to fall in the same line as Deidre Hall did following JER leaving in 1997, then it makes her departure less damaging and the show has a chance. If the show continues what they've been doing, though, I just think it shakes up way too much on the canvas.
I won't say too much about the acting. AS has always been hit or miss so my expectations are never the same for her like they were for Dee. Dee did seem to fall on bad habits and fall off a bit but I always knew she was a great actress and had hope it would return at times and it did. I don't think people are sick of AS because of her acting. I think people just don't buy her as a heroine and don't like her amount of airtime. I mean, she never gets a break. Even during her maternity leave, she was gone all of 10 seconds LOL.
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AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense. My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story.
I see what you are saying but I don't quite agree because truth be told - many of the fan base fans favor one person in the pairing over another. How many EJami fans are huge fans of James Scott, first and foremost? I would say the same holds true of Safe and Lumi fans - I would argue that many of their fans favor the leading men over Alison Sweeney. Would I be upset and sad if Ali left DAYS? Absolutely. I've been hoping, praying, campaigning and begging for EJami to be paired for more than 3 years. But if James Scott stayed with the show - so would I. :shrug:
Yeah but if AS leaves, you still don't get that pairing. So, even if you are merely a JS or GG fan, if you want that pairing you are screwed. Right. Which is why I said I'd be sad, but I wouldn't quit the show over it.
We all have our favorites...my point is simply that unless someone is watching solely for a single actor that is fired or leaves the show, chances are people won't stop watching as a result. The Lumi fans that are saying they are done with DAYS when BD is are clearly BD fans, first and foremost. There's nothing wrong with that. I suppose the real question is how many of the Lumi fans who are saying they are done when BD is gone would feel the same way if Ali Sweeney were leaving but Bryan were staying. Obviously I can't speak for them - but I know as a EJami fan I wouldn't quit if Ali left, as long as James stayed. I'd simply have to give up on the EJami pairing and hope they give him a story I could enjoy instead.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:37 PM
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I'm pissed at this. I was hoping for a LUMI reunion down the line. Hopefully, he'll be back.
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There are many women who identify with Sami and admire Ali.
I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say I honestly can't imagine why. The character is uneducated, unemployed, has a passel of kids she doesn't pay attention to unless forced to and doesn't really do anything interesting at all any more. I don't see her as a role model in the slightest, not to mention which she has the fugliest hair on the planet. The uneducated, unemployed, neglectful mother stuff wouldn't bother me on a character who was supposed to be a loser or at least a villainess, but Sami isn't that anymore. I'm supposed to apparently be admiring her heroism and wonderfulness even though I see not one thing about her that would make me admire her. When I'm looking for role models, people like Sami Brady don't come to mind. I don't think people aspire to be like Sami or think of her as a heroine. Sami reflects more of your everyday woman, in her looks and body type. Her character is flawed and makes mistakes. Ali is a working mom with an everyday husband, her experiences are just like many moms, pushing strollers and playing Candyland.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:40 PM
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I liked BD, I hope they at least give him a good exit.
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Dec 21 2009, 05:40 PM
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AS was actually on quite alot last Fall LOL. The only period we saw her sparingly was February and early March. She never really even went on leave. Besides, the show stabilized in the Fall but it's big surge began around the holidays and kept going from there. If your going to say the number reflect an anti-AS sentiment, then why would the show continue go up with her in heavy story? That makes no sense.
My point is the show has put alot on her shoulders. She is involved in two popular pairings and has been involved in one A story after another since she joined in 1993. She has had only two brief periods off the frontburner. Otherwise, she's always been on the frontburner and has had dominant screentime over the past 3 years. You take her out of the equation and what happens? The EJ/Sami fanbase is gone. The Rafe/Sami fanbase is gone. Will has no mother. The show loses a lead actress. The show's A story comes tumbling down. I could go on and on but it should be obvious that her leaving would be on par with DH leaving Days in the 90's at the height of the J&M story.
I didn't say the numbers reflect an anti-AS sentiment. What I'm saying is they reflect that the show doesn't have to be the Days of Sami's Life or risk a ratings plummet. You and I may have a different definition of front-burner. I think Alison is being used somewhat differently than when Sheffer was writing and ratings were dropping. Back then Sami was in the middle of a constantly ping-ponging triangle with Lucas and EJ. Then we had history written to give us the hideous Santeen storyline (twice the Sami at half the price) and of course, who can forget the vendetta storyline which had Sami become the savior of all the Bradys. Sami was driving story during Sheffer's reign, more so than anyone else. I don't think that has been as much the case over the last year. It's hard to argue that the baby switch story isn't primarily Nicole's; it's certainly been told primarily, if not exclusively, from her point of view. Sami and Rafe as a couple have taken up a lot of screen time, but Sami/Rafe/EJ has hardly been a triangle at all--nothing like the Lucas/Sami/EJ triangle was a couple of years ago. I just see some difference in the way AS has been used. Though Sami has been glitterized to high heaven, and there's still way too much Sami for my taste, other people are getting more of a chance to shine: first (and still) AZ, and now CC and LS look like they're going to be driving story. Unfortunately for me there seems to be no real risk of Alison leaving the show, but I simply don't think the character is irreplaceable. Well, we will have to agree to disagree but I do think you make excellent points about the way this regime has used her vs Hogan.
As annoying as her not really getting an actual onscreen break during her leave was, she still never felt like she dominated so much this year. The airtime numbers were high but the fact that other stories were going on and Ali wasn't the only dominant character in the story (Ari Zucker helped balance it out) helped. Your right that during Hogan's run it was all about Sami. She drove everything and the show was basically all about her story. There weren't really any other stories but the Vendetta, Shawn/Belle/Philip, and whatever Chelsea and co were doing. In 2009, we had several stories going on and that helped along with the whole baby switch not being solely spotlighted by her.
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There are many women who identify with Sami and admire Ali.
I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say I honestly can't imagine why. The character is uneducated, unemployed, has a passel of kids she doesn't pay attention to unless forced to and doesn't really do anything interesting at all any more. I don't see her as a role model in the slightest, not to mention which she has the fugliest hair on the planet. The uneducated, unemployed, neglectful mother stuff wouldn't bother me on a character who was supposed to be a loser or at least a villainess, but Sami isn't that anymore. I'm supposed to apparently be admiring her heroism and wonderfulness even though I see not one thing about her that would make me admire her. When I'm looking for role models, people like Sami Brady don't come to mind.
I don't think people aspire to be like Sami or think of her as a heroine. Sami reflects more of your everyday woman, in her looks and body type. Ali is a working mom with an everyday husband, her experiences are just like many moms, pushing strollers and playing Candyland. Somehow, I just don't see someone like Ali as "everywoman". She might work two jobs, but I'm thinking her lifestyle is probably a little bit better than the average middle class woman's. I don't look to her for inspiration. I might look to the woman on The Biggest Loser, who have a lot of weight to lose, with a limited budget, yeah. Or the single mom who still manages to send her child to college by instilling good values in him. Or the social worker who devotes her life to making children's lives better. Ali has had a good steady, well paying job since she was a teenager. She hasn't even been out of acting jobs like many other actors who struggle and hold other jobs to make ends meet until their ships come in. I don't know what bumps she has had in life besides the goads about her weight in her younger years, but from what most people see, she has it pretty well.
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There is only one character who I feel can hurt the show creatively and number-wise at this point and that is Alison Sweeney and that is only because they have basically made her the show epicenter and she is involved in not one but two popular pairings (Sami/Rafe and Sami/EJ). Her leaving would really screw the show. Outside of that, I think they would be fine.
I'd be more than willing to see what happens to the ratings if AS left. We can argue about it all day long but I'm not sure it would be that big a blow. I know I personally would find it a relief and I suspect a lot of others would too.
I wouldn't care if she left. I do think that it would upset many other people though. It wouldn't bother me all that much either now with the way Sami is being written.
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There is only one character who I feel can hurt the show creatively and number-wise at this point and that is Alison Sweeney and that is only because they have basically made her the show epicenter and she is involved in not one but two popular pairings (Sami/Rafe and Sami/EJ). Her leaving would really screw the show. Outside of that, I think they would be fine.
I'd be more than willing to see what happens to the ratings if AS left. We can argue about it all day long but I'm not sure it would be that big a blow. I know I personally would find it a relief and I suspect a lot of others would too.
I wouldn't care if she left. I do think that it would upset many other people though.
It wouldn't bother me all that much either now with the way Sami is being written. And I think that is leading her on the road right out of A-storylineville.
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I'm pissed at this. I was hoping for a LUMI reunion down the line. Hopefully, he'll be back. I'm pissed that they are letting him go and that they couldn't find anything to do with his character. I so miss the days of Lumi scheming together and being a fun pair, not necessarily a romantic pair even. I sincerely hope that they aren't going to kill Lucas off.... :(
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i don't want to sound mean especially to lucas/bryan fans, but this does not surprise me. his character has been wasted over the previous years, even hogan scheffer wanted to get rid of the lucas character at some point.
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