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Topic Started: Jan 2 2010, 10:48 PM (23,339 Views)
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How is it wishy washy? It's a twist, one that makes sense. EJ got betrayed. He got lied to THREE times. Given his past, it's perfectly reasonable he would come up with something like this as a result. This is soap writing at it's best. A shocking twist that actually rings true to character? That is something the best soap writers would be proud of. I was never as high as JER's first run as others but this is the kind of stuff he did in his first run that he didn't in his second and it works. It's the perfect way to keep the story going while also transitioning it almost into a different story. First, we had the baby switch itself which transformed into this Sydney kidnapping story and now the aftermath of this will transform into whatever story follows. That is how you write long-range story. You don't just wrap everything up and move on. JMO.
For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
Well, that is the fault of the actor then not the writing. The writing set it up perfectly and we even had hints, both in the writing and by the actor at times.
All that still falls on the show, though. If things aren't playing out the way they need to for proper effect, there are supposed to be measures in place to fix them, and if spoilers are correct, the show has screwed this up.[/quote]All the show can do is give the actor direction and provide the writing. The actor takes half the responsibility too. JS, overall, did an ok job. Recently, he just fell off and I think he just made some poor acting choices. The show may have been fine with it thinking it would keep suspicion off him but the writing is there so it's hard to bash the show and accuse them of bad writing and shock and awe storytelling when this suits the character and works within the story.
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Well, that is the fault of the actor then not the writing. The writing set it up perfectly and we even had hints, both in the writing and by the actor at times.
All that still falls on the show, though. If things aren't playing out the way they need to for proper effect, there are supposed to be measures in place to fix them, and if spoilers are correct, the show has screwed this up.
All the show can do is give the actor direction and provide the writing. The actor takes half the responsibility too. JS, overall, did an ok job. Recently, he just fell off and I think he just made some poor acting choices. The show may have been fine with it thinking it would keep suspicion off him but the writing is there so it's hard to bash the show and accuse them of bad writing and shock and awe storytelling when this suits the character and works within the story.
The difference of opinion here is whether it works or not, and I don't think it does. As for the show/not the show - JS is part of the show. The actors, writers, directors, producers etc. all are part of the show, and someone dropped the ball. No matter who you want to put the blame on, from the looks of it, this story is going to fall short of what it could have been.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

Sorry. I think I cut stuff out of a previous quote I was responding to to just respond to the relevant parts and I think that messed a lot of things up.

Anyway, PR... when I complain about what is happening (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think six is on the same page) it's not that I'm upset that the story has taken a twist that EJ is involved in the kidnapping. I'm fine with EJ exacting revenge and his motive for all of this being him wanting revenge.

What I'm disappointed with is the execution of all of this. It's not just tomorrow's show that
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The way it seems like things are going down doesn't add up to any logical thought-out narrative but seems like a series of red herrings and plot points and perhaps even mistaken acting choices strung together adding up to nothing more than cheap shock value. Not an exciting twist to the story.
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^Point taken. I guess I will just agree to disagree LOL.

On a different note, am I the only one that sees sizzling chemistry with Arianna and Troy? :laugh:

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Jan 6 2010, 06:06 PM
For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
See, I don't think this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, I haven't paid full and complete attention to everything, but I've been thinking that
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In any case, I don't think there has been any lying to the audience or new direction that comes out of nowhere. But, then I've been expecting this all along, so maybe that colors how I perceive what has happened up until now.
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The Trial. Props to Ari Zucker's performance, sitting listening to the testimony and quietly crying. Brady's testimony was a let down. I was really expecting to re-live the trauma Brady had experienced which was the whole motivation behind him keeping her secret. However, I guess it wasn't really because of the pain Nicole suffered, it's because he's addicted to being in love with her. Chad was pretty good as was the Judge and Nicole's defense atty. It added to the scene having the judge bring up Ej and Sami's lack of innocence.

The Quad. They ALMOST had Melanie looking pretty with the white coat and hairstyle but still not quite right. Phelony have a funky chemistry. So Melanie is Nathan's fantasy???? I believe Nate cares about Mel but his fantasy?! Come on, that's too much. Stephanie looked pretty in her old lady blouse. I'm really liking steph in this story. Her feelings/ego are hurt but Nathan doesn't really owe her anything. for some reason, today I got the inkling that Stephanie is pregnant but I think it's been too long since she's been with Phillip.

The Teens. Gabby is cute until she went off on Chad. Mia and Gabby have a good chemistry going on. DrewH is right when s/he pointed out that TS is better at playing the bitch and GR is better at the ingenue and I like the way their looks contrast with one another as Jane said in another thread. However, Mia's little plan seemed stupid and petty.
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Jan 6 2010, 06:22 PM
Sorry. I think I cut stuff out of a previous quote I was responding to to just respond to the relevant parts and I think that messed a lot of things up.

Anyway, PR... when I complain about what is happening (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think six is on the same page) it's not that I'm upset that the story has taken a twist that EJ is involved in the kidnapping. I'm fine with EJ exacting revenge and his motive for all of this being him wanting revenge.

What I'm disappointed with is the execution of all of this. It's not just tomorrow's show that
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The way it seems like things are going down doesn't add up to any logical thought-out narrative but seems like a series of red herrings and plot points and perhaps even mistaken acting choices strung together adding up to nothing more than cheap shock value. Not an exciting twist to the story.
I get that. I just don't see how or why that should ruin the story. You have to have red herrings or people would've guessed this weeks ago. The acting choices in some cases did work but in others did not but how that ruins a story is beyond me. It ruins the impact of the reveal somewhat but it doesn't ruin the story nor does it equal cheap shock value. Cheap shock value would be bringing someone back from the dead to put them behind this (example being Tony) or bringing someone completely unrelated into this who had no reason to. That is shock-driven writing and poor execution. When it works for the character and you can point to moments that set up a twist, there is no way you can classify that as a bad twist or bad writing. JMO.

I completely disagree about it being well thought out. They set this up beautifully and built up to it beautifully, even laying out the motives in today's courtroom scenes to set up the reveal tomorrow.

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Jan 6 2010, 05:34 PM
Oh, I forgot about this yesterday. When Sami and EJ were on the phone with Anna and she let them talk to Sydney and Sami was all gushy and "mommy and daddy are gonna find you"...seriously Sami. That baby doesn't know you from Adam. Give the phone to EJ if you want to comfort her (and it won't be much better coming from Mr. She's Not My Blood-Get Her Out of My House). That baby does not want to hear your hysterics. Besides, you're just going to disappoint her when you do find her and you're not Nicole. Shut up.
Wait what, Sami and EJ knows Anna has Sidney?
No, no. She was on the phone with them using one of those voice changing things.
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Jan 6 2010, 06:27 PM
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For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
See, I don't think this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, I haven't paid full and complete attention to everything, but I've been thinking that
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In any case, I don't think there has been any lying to the audience or new direction that comes out of nowhere. But, then I've been expecting this all along, so maybe that colors how I perceive what has happened up until now.
Good post, IMA. Feel free to keep speaking for me on this one. ;) I'd just rather have a twist where the audience reaction is "oh, I get it now!" than "Wait, where did that come from?"
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PR, you say it somewhat hurts the impact, you say that there have been some mistakes, so it looks like we're all on the same page, at least superficially. The sticking point is just how much weight you give to those mistakes, or how much slack you cut the show. Clearly we're never going to all be on the same page on that one. ;)
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For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
See, I don't think this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, I haven't paid full and complete attention to everything, but I've been thinking that
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In any case, I don't think there has been any lying to the audience or new direction that comes out of nowhere. But, then I've been expecting this all along, so maybe that colors how I perceive what has happened up until now.
Good post, IMA. Feel free to keep speaking for me on this one. ;) I'd just rather have a twist where the audience reaction is "oh, I get it now!" than "Wait, where did that come from?"
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It's both. It's because it made sense and it's because of who he is.

And anyone who has a "where did that come from" reaction is either a new viewer or just completely lost as to what they are watching LOL. Even if one believes the execution has been poor, that kind of reaction just doesn't correlate.

But we'll see. Maybe for those unsatisfied the aftermath of the reveal will more then make up for it. You never know. I understand the points being made but I just can't get behind the idea that it's made this twist seem shock-driven. That is the part I just can't grasp.
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Jan 6 2010, 06:40 PM
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For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
See, I don't think this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, I haven't paid full and complete attention to everything, but I've been thinking that
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In any case, I don't think there has been any lying to the audience or new direction that comes out of nowhere. But, then I've been expecting this all along, so maybe that colors how I perceive what has happened up until now.
Good post, IMA. Feel free to keep speaking for me on this one. ;) I'd just rather have a twist where the audience reaction is "oh, I get it now!" than "Wait, where did that come from?"
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It's both. It's because it made sense and it's because of who he is.

And anyone who has a "where did that come from" reaction is either a new viewer or just completely lost as to what they are watching LOL. Even if one believes the execution has been poor, that kind of reaction just doesn't correlate.

But we'll see. Maybe for those unsatisfied the aftermath of the reveal will more then make up for it. You never know. I understand the points being made but I just can't get behind the idea that it's made this twist seem shock-driven. That is the part I just can't grasp.
That was hyperbole based on twists in general. This whole time I've been thinking about the big movie twists that worked, and how you can look back and see all the pieces line up. At this point, I think we've gone as far as possible with this. Even you admit that there are some problems here, but if you don't think it hurts the story overall, you just don't and there's no way anyone is going to come out of this thinking otherwise.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

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For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
See, I don't think this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, I haven't paid full and complete attention to everything, but I've been thinking that
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In any case, I don't think there has been any lying to the audience or new direction that comes out of nowhere. But, then I've been expecting this all along, so maybe that colors how I perceive what has happened up until now.
Actually... didn't we see EJ alone looking at Sydney's photo album upset and by himself? Granted, Sami joined him later on but it wasn't like he had called her to come over and look at them with him.
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Jan 6 2010, 06:24 PM
On a different note, am I the only one that sees sizzling chemistry with Arianna and Troy? :laugh:

I don't know if I would qualify it as 'sizzling' but they look pretty together and I agree they have chemistry. I enjoy Troy, he's handsome. He might not be the best actor but his eyes and look are striking and not in the vacant way Chloe's eyes' are striking. If the actor playing Troy stepped it up a bit in the acting dept and the writers took it easy with him, I would welcome him with open arms.
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For me, twist doesn't mean "new direction that comes out of nowhere," as if the writers weren't even sure what was going to happen until the day of the reveal. You should be able to look back after the fact and see how all the pieces fell into place. EJ has the motive, but for the most part has not been acting like a schemer. It's time to start putting the puzzle together, not creating an artificial shock.
See, I don't think this is coming out of nowhere. Granted, I haven't paid full and complete attention to everything, but I've been thinking that
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In any case, I don't think there has been any lying to the audience or new direction that comes out of nowhere. But, then I've been expecting this all along, so maybe that colors how I perceive what has happened up until now.
Actually... didn't we see EJ alone looking at Sydney's photo album upset and by himself? Granted, Sami joined him later on but it wasn't like he had called her to come over and look at them with him.
I thought about that one, the last time this subject came up, but I'm pretty sure that scene aired when Nicole had her.

Ari and Troy could be good. IMO, there are several people on who are doing a worse job than the dude playing Troy is.
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On a different note, am I the only one that sees sizzling chemistry with Arianna and Troy? :laugh:

I don't know if I would qualify it as 'sizzling' but they look pretty together and I agree they have chemistry. I enjoy Troy, he's handsome. He might not be the best actor but his eyes and look are striking and not in the vacant way Chloe's eyes' are striking. If the actor playing Troy stepped it up a bit in the acting dept and the writers took it easy with him, I would welcome him with open arms.
Definitely.

I just noticed it today. I think it was because he's a bit more rugged now with the "scruff" look going on but they did look good together. The actor isn't bad. He doesn't get much but he has a nice presence.
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I lurked a bit on another board, and wonder now if we may have a real twist. Someone is saying it may be Rafe who set all this up as a way of getting the girl, the gold ring, and everything! He is now back with FBI due to his brilliant solve of the switch which would never have been an FBI case anyway, but also he is being hailed as the coordinator of the kidnap information. Sounds too smug to me by a long shot. We may have been guilty of a rush to judgement, since I thought it was EJ from the first. Now I am not so sure.
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On a different note, am I the only one that sees sizzling chemistry with Arianna and Troy? :laugh:

I don't know if I would qualify it as 'sizzling' but they look pretty together and I agree they have chemistry. I enjoy Troy, he's handsome. He might not be the best actor but his eyes and look are striking and not in the vacant way Chloe's eyes' are striking. If the actor playing Troy stepped it up a bit in the acting dept and the writers took it easy with him, I would welcome him with open arms.
Definitely.

I just noticed it today. I think it was because he's a bit more rugged now with the "scruff" look going on but they did look good together. The actor isn't bad. He doesn't get much but he has a nice presence.
Hasn't he always had scruff? I noticed he looked rough today in the scene with the hitman, I think it was lighting because he looked more scraggley and less pretty in contrast to the scene with Ari where he had the scruff but looked pretty.

Yes, he does have presence.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

Anyway, about today's story. Obviously the proceeding was a farce as sentencing hearings don't work like this at all, but compared to the ridiculous insta-trials that AMC had recently for Stuart's murder and Annie representing herself for lying to police about Adam killing Stewart, this was a freaking Law & Order episode in comparison. So that part didn't bother me save the bits involving the teens.

I really loved the actor playing the judge and all his comments criticizing Sami and EJ and I enjoyed all the reactions of the people in the peanut gallery from Sami's huffing to EJ's smirking at Brady showing up on Nicole's behalf to Nicole's expressions when everyone was ripping her to shreds, but the Mia-Chad involvement bugged me. First of all, Chad's father is the DISTRICT ATTORNEY. If he doesn't want Chad on the stand, Chad doesn't get to say boo about the sentencing unless Nicole's attorney calls him on her behalf and she would've had no reason to. It's not like testimony at a sentencing hearing is some suggestion box where you can add whatever your thoughts are or it's a "speak now or forever hold your peace" wedding situation where it's appropriate for anyone attending to add their thoughts. Maybe if Chad's father wasn't the DA who he was telling off that he was going to testify anyway it wouldn't have bugged me when it's not like the court proceeding was that realistic otherwise, but because Chad's dad was the DA it just raised red flags with me.

The other bit that bugged was the snippet of Mia on the stand complaining about Nicole convincing her to lie to everyone about what a slut she was. Now at the time, I thought it was really pretty cruel of Nicole to convince a stupid girl whose baby she took and let die without telling her to further lie and damage her reputation just to advance Nicole's schemes, but at this point the writing/acting for Mia has just gotten so insufferable I basically have no sympathy at all for Mia and was sitting there trying to even figure out how that was relevant to Nicole's sentencing hearing at all.

What had been a promising triangle between Nathan/Melanie/Phillip is now totally off the rails. I can't believe they have her now in bed fantasizing about Nathan now that she has Phillip when like a month or six weeks ago we got the same shit of her in bed with Nathan fantasizing about Phillip. This is supposed to be romance? Because when all of this was started and after all the work they put into rehabilitating the character of Mel I was really starting to like her and see her as the rootable young heroine of this show and when it started I could have rooted for Mel to be with Nathan -OR- Phillip but the way it's going down now I don't want either pairing. She's just too damn fickle and so are the writers to have any investment.



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Somebody upthread asked Sydney's age. I think dooldooldool pointed out in the Un-SORAS thread that Syd is 1 yr old. When Sami mentioned her being 2yrs old, it was in refrence to Christmas 2010. (I THINK!) Either way they should have that little cutey walking around the set instead of always in the playpen.
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Somebody upthread asked Sydney's age. I think dooldooldool pointed out in the Un-SORAS thread that Syd is 1 yr old. When Sami mentioned her being 2yrs old, it was in refrence to Christmas 2010. (I THINK!) Either way they should have that little cutey walking around the set instead of always in the playpen.
That was me. Okay, that makes sense. They've been talking about her age since she was born which they don't usually do. That's part of the reason it piqued my interest. It seemed a bit strange that they'd mention her age all year, and then suddenly change it. They usually only do that when they just haven't said anything about an age. But it also wouldn't surprise me at all if they had SORASed her, especially since the actresses are older. I didn't remember the conversation either way.
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