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Topic Started: Jan 2 2010, 10:48 PM (23,336 Views)
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lysie
Jan 7 2010, 10:05 AM
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Jan 7 2010, 09:53 AM
Did Anna speak to EJ without the distorter? I missed that.
She did because for a minute I thought she didn't have a voice distorter and was going to distort her voice by herself for her talk with Sami. I was really looking forward to it. But when she was talking to EJ I think the camera was on her and it seemed like we might have been hearing it from her perspective, so I wasn't positive that that's how EJ heard her. That may not even make sense, though.
Oh, okay. When I read Luv's post, I was thinking she meant that there was another phone call, or something. Not that I remember your scene either, but I'll take your word for it.
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lysie
Jan 7 2010, 10:05 AM
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Jan 7 2010, 09:53 AM
Did Anna speak to EJ without the distorter? I missed that.
She did because for a minute I thought she didn't have a voice distorter and was going to distort her voice by herself for her talk with Sami. I was really looking forward to it. But when she was talking to EJ I think the camera was on her and it seemed like we might have been hearing it from her perspective, so I wasn't positive that that's how EJ heard her. That may not even make sense, though.
no, i see what you are saying. it could have just been the way it was filmed from her perspective, but if it turns out that ej was behind this all along, it would make sense that we only heard the distortion once sami picked up. for me, it's a tiny clue. the way the show has been keeping things under wraps lately, i wouldn't expect them to give us obvious indications that ej was behind the kidnapping.

sorry six, what i meant was that ej spoke to anna before sami got on the line. anna was speaking in her normal voice, but it could have been because the camera was on her at the time and not on ej.

as for anna's motivation, i think it could partly be about money, and partly about revenge on stefano. as far as i remember, tony and ej had grown closer right before he died, so perhaps anna has decided to forgive and forget when it comes to ej so that she can avenge herself on stefano. just a guess. it seems she doesn't think too highly of sami, so i'm not sure we can assume she'd care about sami just because carrie is her daughter. if anything, she ought to hate sami all the more considering what she has done to carrie over the years.
Edited by luvpumpkns, Jan 7 2010, 11:50 AM.
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Jan 7 2010, 11:48 AM
it seems she doesn't think too highly of sami, so i'm not sure we can assume she'd care about sami just because carrie is her daughter. if anything, she ought to hate sami all the more considering what she has done to carrie over the years.
If that's a response to my post, saying I could see the writers putting Carrie in it, I agree that she wouldn't care about Sami just because of Carrie. I just think that if she'd harbored this much hatred for Sami, it would've come up the last time Anna was involved in a Brady/Dimera fight.
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Jan 7 2010, 02:27 AM
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Jan 7 2010, 02:06 AM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:27 AM
I actually like Melanie's desire to be a nurse but a part of me does wonder if I only wake it because it helped develop her as a character or because it works for her character. It worked at the time because they needed to get people who hated her to like her. It was a nice redemption arc but I do have my doubts whether she should be a nurse permanently. She seems like too vibrant a character for that but I'm on the fence.

It totally works for her character.
I think the fact that I'm on the fence speaks to how good of a character she has become. The fact that you can work as a nurse or at someplace like Titan shows you have dynamic a character she is.

Personally, I will probably be happy either way. I like the actress and character and feel it works either way.
I'd prefer the nurse job because I get sick of everyone coming from the gutters and becoming super business tycoons or being Barbie and having multiple careers. The hospital is a good way to have multiple characters from differing backgrounds interact. Nathan, Lexie, Dan, Carly, Stephanie, Mia, Gabby, Maggie, Phillip, Stefano are all tied into the hospital not to mention it comes in handy when the other Salemite need to be hospitalized. I think they should just make Brady some kind of Dr. Drew knockoff to fill the Marlena void, he's already doing the Dr. Phil schtick anyway. A friend of mine thinks that melanie is too vibrant also to be tied down by a job governed by so many rules and regulations. I say it's a perfect way to keep melanie layered and struggling. She can do evil things while having caring moments at the same time. On Nurse Jackie, they have her being the champion of patients but she does some bad things like forging a donor card.
Edited by Halloween Family, Jan 7 2010, 12:10 PM.
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For those who do not wish to see EJ being a sap for Sami while she is mooning over Starfish Hernandez, I am pretty happy with EJ being the mastermnd of the Sydnapping. It does make sense given the subtle clues along the way and KC's emphasis that the babyswitch reveal would be interesting in the way it impacted EJ. His trust in anyone other than himself is now zero. And given what he heard on Christmas Eve, I'm sure he more determined than ever to make sure that he is not cut out of his daughter's life. I also love that EJ is back to being a smart guy who is three steps ahead of everyone.

I am looking forward to see how Bo/Carly is handled. In recent years Bope has not really had much going on. They are a bit stale. If nothing else, this interlude makes things a bit spicier. This time Bo chooses to be with Carly, as opposed to Billie manipulating things when he was with her last time.

I really, really do not like Brady. He is one of the good guys but he is just such a hypocrite that want to smack him. This yo-yo dance between Nicole and Arianne is not very attractive either. Hopefully Arianne will get rid of him and stop playing second banana to Brady's addiction.

Did anyone notice that it looks like DOOL recycled Sami's ring from EJ to Melanie? It was very distinctive and the one Philip gave Melanie looks like the same ring.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:06 PM
For those who do not wish to see EJ being a sap for Sami while she is mooning over Starfish Hernandez, I am pretty happy with EJ being the mastermnd of the Sydnapping. It does make sense given the subtle clues along the way and KC's emphasis that the babyswitch reveal would be interesting in the way it impacted EJ. His trust in anyone other than himself is now zero. And given what he heard on Christmas Eve, I'm sure he more determined than ever to make sure that he is not cut out of his daughter's life. I also love that EJ is back to being a smart guy who is three steps ahead of everyone.


I love EJ like this too. All he needs is his black gloves.

By the way, I love the moniker "Starfish Hernandez" I think it is HAWWWWWTTT!
Too bad that I think the nick name is hotter than the character.



Edited by ilovemydays, Jan 7 2010, 12:26 PM.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:25 PM
pspcindy
Jan 7 2010, 12:06 PM
For those who do not wish to see EJ being a sap for Sami while she is mooning over Starfish Hernandez, I am pretty happy with EJ being the mastermnd of the Sydnapping. It does make sense given the subtle clues along the way and KC's emphasis that the babyswitch reveal would be interesting in the way it impacted EJ. His trust in anyone other than himself is now zero. And given what he heard on Christmas Eve, I'm sure he more determined than ever to make sure that he is not cut out of his daughter's life. I also love that EJ is back to being a smart guy who is three steps ahead of everyone.


I love EJ like this too. All he needs is his black gloves.

By the way, I love the moniker "Starfish Hernandez" I think it is HAWWWWWTTT!
Too bad that I think the nick name is hotter than the character.



LOL at the nickname!!
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Jan 7 2010, 04:41 AM
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Jan 6 2010, 02:29 PM
I didn't remember seeing Caroline at all. Sad that they couldn't give her a line or two .....
Hmmm, I think this could have been intentional. The last time we saw/heard from Caroline (it was some random scene in the pub between The Sydney Reveal and XMAS), she really had difficulty with her lines. She is 78 after all, and has excelled in the past. Frank Parker, in his final couple years, really struggled with his lines. A silent Caroline is still better than no Caroline at all, or sending her to the "other room" like Alice.
And I wonder if that's why the show went in another direction instead of pairing Victor and Caroline... God, they missed the boat there.
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I staying in the camp that says this is not a brilliant/twist, it's just a logical outcome for the story. The explanation of Anna's participation through the use of flashbacks (if indeed that is what they will do) is a poor story crutch for a story that has been going on for eons. The other glaring omission is in not using Johnny to tell EJ's story of revenge. Johnny is loved by both Stefano and Sami so where is that kid anyway?

Days has no idea how to tell a nuanced story. The way they plan/throw together their storylines rarely feels solid to me. They keep the plot hyper-ambiguous, not committing to events that would dictate the direction of the story. The plots ends at a destination that may make sense in combination with enough speculation as to how the character felt and acted offscreen. Watching other soaps you see the story fall together over months as concrete clues are given and as some one said earlier, you get an 'Aha!' at the end because it all makes sense. A build up - a reveal.
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ladyofthelake
Jan 7 2010, 06:27 AM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:27 AM
I actually like Melanie's desire to be a nurse but a part of me does wonder if I only wake it because it helped develop her as a character or because it works for her character. It worked at the time because they needed to get people who hated her to like her. It was a nice redemption arc but I do have my doubts whether she should be a nurse permanently. She seems like too vibrant a character for that but I'm on the fence.

Nurses can't be vibrant?
Sure they can. The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse. As I said, I'm on the fence and will probably like it either way but it's still a concern I have for the character at the moment.
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Good post, Mer.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:40 PM
The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse.
How so?
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Jan 7 2010, 09:40 AM
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I just hope this won't ruin days chances of being renewed.
Seriously, with all due respect, enough with the doom and gloom. Days has done far worse and seen little to no audience erosion (hell, sometimes they've gone UP). It will be fine. I think Days and most of the soaps are past the point of anything like that hurting them any further any way. The only thing that will hurt them is if the show becomes boring with very little happening for an extended period of time. That happened right after Grace's death in early July and once the show got going again with Ciara's kidnapping, the climax of Kate's poisoning plot, and the amping up of the baby switch story it led to the ratings going right back up and staying there.
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It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose. While I don't have a lot of affection for the current writers, I think this story was built up and gives an "Aha" moment, yet it wasn't so far fetched as to give a "WTF?" response, either. Of course, since I love the idea that EJ has been behind this whole thing for several reasons, not the least of which is that it signals that there is no intention of turning this into an EJ/Sami love story, I'm predisposed to like the whole thing.

As for it being a "twist" again, that's a matter of perspective, I suppose. The story appeared to have ended when Nicole was in jail and EJ and Sami were dealing with how to share custody. So, to me, the fact that it didn't end there is a twist. Additionally, the fact that Anna is involved and EJ is behind the second kidnapping is another twist. I don't think it's brilliant, but I do think it's a twist and a decent one.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:42 PM
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The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse.
How so?
Alot of the reason they made her a nurse was as part of a redemption arc to get those who hated her to like her. They also did it to bring Nathan into the mix and create a quad. All that has been done. My concern is that the character would lose her edge and become too nice. There needs to be a balance with her because I think that her flaws is what makes her the character she is. I can just see it being a problem down the road. It's the same issue I pretty much have with her pairing with Nathan. I like her being a nurse and like her with Nathan but, in the long term, will both things water her down too much and make her some goody-goody heroine? That is my issue. It may not or it may and I may end up liking it. Who knows. I just want to maintain what IMO keeps her interesting. I don't want the character to lose her spark.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:47 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:42 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:40 PM
The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse.
How so?
Alot of the reason they made her a nurse was as part of a redemption arc to get those who hated her to like her. They also did it to bring Nathan into the mix and create a quad. All that has been done. My concern is that the character would lose her edge and become too nice. There needs to be a balance with her because I think that her flaws is what makes her the character she is. I can just see it being a problem down the road. It's the same issue I pretty much have with her pairing with Nathan. I like her being a nurse and like her with Nathan but, in the long term, will both things water her down too much and make her some goody-goody heroine? That is my issue. It may not or it may and I may end up liking it. Who knows. I just want to maintain what IMO keeps her interesting. I don't want the character to lose her spark.
I think they could still keep her bad girl side but I can see the writers not being able to handle that.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:43 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 09:40 AM
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I just hope this won't ruin days chances of being renewed.
Seriously, with all due respect, enough with the doom and gloom. Days has done far worse and seen little to no audience erosion (hell, sometimes they've gone UP). It will be fine.
I think the show will be ok too but I wonder if the spoiler will have a backlash.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:42 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:40 PM
The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse.
How so?
I'd like to know that, too. It certainly didn't limit Kayla in the old days.

Whoops, sorry, I missed PR's answer.
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Jan 7 2010, 12:47 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:40 PM
The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse.
How so?
Alot of the reason they made her a nurse was as part of a redemption arc to get those who hated her to like her. They also did it to bring Nathan into the mix and create a quad. All that has been done. My concern is that the character would lose her edge and become too nice. There needs to be a balance with her because I think that her flaws is what makes her the character she is. I can just see it being a problem down the road. It's the same issue I pretty much have with her pairing with Nathan. I like her being a nurse and like her with Nathan but, in the long term, will both things water her down too much and make her some goody-goody heroine? That is my issue. It may not or it may and I may end up liking it. Who knows. I just want to maintain what IMO keeps her interesting. I don't want the character to lose her spark.
Well, seeing as nurses are human (as are teachers, ministers, police officers, etc), nursing doesn't have to be equated with all that is pure and golden. I know some pretty spunky nurses, spunky teachers, flawed people in positions of service. Why can't she be spunky WITH a heart? I still don't get the reasoning. They made Sami a goody-goody, and they certainly didn't send her to nursing school. The nursing aspect doesn't have to be what turns her into a goody-goody, if that's what happens. For that matter, why can't Nathan be turned to be cynical later? Who's to say they don't have plans to make this heartache turn his personality? It can work both ways.
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Jan 7 2010, 01:05 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:47 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 12:42 PM
PhoenixRising05
Jan 7 2010, 12:40 PM
The concern I have is that it would limit Melanie a bit as a character in the long run if she is a nurse.
How so?
Alot of the reason they made her a nurse was as part of a redemption arc to get those who hated her to like her. They also did it to bring Nathan into the mix and create a quad. All that has been done. My concern is that the character would lose her edge and become too nice. There needs to be a balance with her because I think that her flaws is what makes her the character she is. I can just see it being a problem down the road. It's the same issue I pretty much have with her pairing with Nathan. I like her being a nurse and like her with Nathan but, in the long term, will both things water her down too much and make her some goody-goody heroine? That is my issue. It may not or it may and I may end up liking it. Who knows. I just want to maintain what IMO keeps her interesting. I don't want the character to lose her spark.
Well, seeing as nurses are human (as are teachers, ministers, police officers, etc), nursing doesn't have to be equated with all that is pure and golden. I know some pretty spunky nurses, spunky teachers, flawed people in positions of service. Why can't she be spunky WITH a heart? I still don't get the reasoning. They made Sami a goody-goody, and they certainly didn't send her to nursing school. The nursing aspect doesn't have to be what turns her into a goody-goody, if that's what happens. For that matter, why can't Nathan be turned to be cynical later? Who's to say they don't have plans to make this heartache turn his personality? It can work both ways.
I totally agree but Days tend to rely on stereotypes and clear cut black & white, hero/villian formula.
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