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Topic Started: Jan 2 2010, 10:48 PM (23,331 Views)
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ladyofthelake
Jan 7 2010, 07:44 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 06:25 PM

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BUT, for the average viewer who doesn't know every little intimate detail of the show, do you think that's such a big deal? I certainly didn't know it wasn't one of the triplets playing Zack, and certainly, even if I did, KA's and PR's wonderful handling of those scenes made them. I'd like to give SR some credit that she can act it out realistically, even if she was acting around a manniquin.
Well, the average viewer probably could care less if we get to see the discovery scene or not. Half the stuff people praise/complain about on message boards is stuff the average viewer could care less about.

My point is that if that using a body double is just unnecessary. I mean, you will know it's not him so there is no impact. If you don't show the person's face, it has little impact and I don't want to just be seeing Maggie the whole damn time. The whole scene would come off weird.

The best way would've been to do as Drew suggested and have her walk in the room and look on in horror as we see a lifeless hand on the ground. And then the next scene we get is the one we got today with her in the kitchen. That would've been fine. I could care less if we got it or not but that is the only way it would work without the awkward factor IMO.
Unless the hand was dismembered, you'd need a body double, wouldn't you? ;)
Yes LOL. I guess I should've worded what I said differently.

I guess what I'm speaking out against is the use of a body double in more then a scene where Maggie simply walks in and looks on in horror as we see a lifeless hand on the ground or something along those lines. I think using a body double for anything more then that would be awkward and just unnecessary. I totally get why people feel something more should've been done. It's clear the show was going for vague so that some wondered what happened and I do think the way the show did it was powerful. I can see it both ways, I suppose.

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Jan 7 2010, 09:23 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 06:25 PM
Not to mention they used a body double for the scenes tomorrow. Personally, I wouldn't want to see a death scene played out between Maggie and some random body double. I would feel no connection to it AT ALL. I would know he is a body double so why bother? It's the same problem the show had with Zack's death. The actor's mother would not allow her son to play out the scenes so you never saw Zack's face as another actor stepped in. It's not really a problem because the only thing the story needs is for the viewer to connect with the survivors of the deceased (Bo and Hope back then and Maggie now). Seeing Maggie holding some body double has no impact. If you can't see that the person is Mickey, it's pointless and strange and you may as well play it this way to avoid that kind of issue.
I'm not asking for a DEATH SCENE. I'm not asking for Maggie to be shaking the body double that's supposed to be Mickey and begging him to wake up. No. Just have her walk into the bedroom, we see "Mickey" from the chest down or something, slouched on the bed, maybe an arm just limp on the side. Maggie asks if he's sleeping when she sees that he's not responding, the look on her face would say it all. Then we would've had her walk into the kitchen and that scene at the end would've been PERFECT.
That I can understand. I mean, personally, I don't have to see something like that but I would've liked it too.

Anything beyond something like that would just be a mess IMO though.
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Jan 7 2010, 11:04 PM
We at Daytime Royalty were just informed by a source at NBC that Corday Productions will no longer be releasing any spoilers for Days. They feel that too many spoilers have caused people to "only tune in on certain days" and the ratings have suffered as a result.

Looks like we're all gonna be spoiler-free from here on out.




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You know, I totally bought this almost but for a different reason.

A week ago, I was asking Judy Henninger (the promo producer) on Twitter about people returning for Mickey's funeral. She did not know and I kind of got on her case about her not knowing things that the mags and message boards already know about. Anyway, she asked me if I was someone from the show who was leaking stuff. I responded that I wasn't but that I spent time on message boards, get the mags, etc (I held out the fact that I do have a source who is a leak for obvious reasons). So, when you posted this, a part of me wondered if the show put an embargo on spoilers because Judi reported back to them that she was suspicious of someone leaking shit LOL.

I do think Matt is right. Soaps should explore this, especially Days given the cliffhanger approach they try to milk now. I remember when Corday got pissed at the mags in the late 90's and stopped issuing much in the way of spoilers at all. This was around the same time you barely saw any Days promos too because of Days' tense contract negotiations and the state of NBC daytime with all the soap cancellation rumors with AW and Sunset. The lack of promos and spoilers actually helped Days. Sami's execution benefited greatly from it. Ali Sweeney's contract was up. There was no word at all if she had resigned. The show said nothing and the spoiler article was vague and said nothing about what happened right after Sami's execution began. The result was edge of your seat drama and a good ratings spike.

I say keep the spoilers vague or don't release any. I like that Days is being so secretive in certain regards but I wish they would not make it easy for people to pick and choose when to watch.
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I am really looking forward to tomorrow's show, I am ready to watch Suzanne Rogers shine, not to mention the Carly/Vivian scenes.

I know this is random and not really DAYS related but:
I think this week soaps may get a boost late in the week(Thurs and Fri), with the deep freeze affecting(effecting?) quite a bit of the country and with some southern snow. I know a lot of schools in KY and TN were out both Thursday and Friday.
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Jan 8 2010, 02:42 AM
I am really looking forward to tomorrow's show, I am ready to watch Suzanne Rogers shine, not to mention the Carly/Vivian scenes.

I know this is random and not really DAYS related but:
I think this week soaps may get a boost late in the week(Thurs and Fri), with the deep freeze affecting(effecting?) quite a bit of the country and with some southern snow. I know a lot of schools in KY and TN were out both Thursday and Friday.
That kind of thing does usually help. We saw soaps benefit from snow storms alot last year at this time.

I guess it all depends on how each soap does in specific markets. For instance, if Days does well in those places you mentioned, they will see a major surge for Thursday and Friday. I wish I could get my hands on the regional ratings data that featured how soaps did in certain markets. They were posted on SON a year or so ago and they showed you the viewing number of each soap all over the country. It was interesting.
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Jan 8 2010, 02:46 AM
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Jan 8 2010, 02:42 AM
I am really looking forward to tomorrow's show, I am ready to watch Suzanne Rogers shine, not to mention the Carly/Vivian scenes.

I know this is random and not really DAYS related but:
I think this week soaps may get a boost late in the week(Thurs and Fri), with the deep freeze affecting(effecting?) quite a bit of the country and with some southern snow. I know a lot of schools in KY and TN were out both Thursday and Friday.
That kind of thing does usually help. We saw soaps benefit from snow storms alot last year at this time.

I guess it all depends on how each soap does in specific markets. For instance, if Days does well in those places you mentioned, they will see a major surge for Thursday and Friday. I wish I could get my hands on the regional ratings data that featured how soaps did in certain markets. They were posted on SON a year or so ago and they showed you the viewing number of each soap all over the country. It was interesting.
I loved seeing those numbers, they were quite interesting.
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After reading peoples responses, I've come to a conclusion about the scenes today. What would have made it perfect would have been showing Maggie walk down the hall, "find" the room Mickey's in, start talking to him, not yet realizing what's happened until she looks into the doorway (any doorway, no need for a new set to be made). Then pause and a wistful, questioning "Mickey?" and cut to commercial. Then the final scene would have made more sense.

However, I'm of two minds. It all depends on what the intention the show had is. If they're going for the mysterious, the scene I described is entirely unnecessary. Maybe they wanted to audience to ask themselves...what, their marriage isn't so perfect and he's cheating? Or, he left for yet another work thing? Or, did something happen to him? Since we're spoiled, I think we expected the latter to be the only thing to be played. After reading the notes about mystery, i stopped and thought that may have been their intention after all.

Still, I find myself agreeing that it felt like we missed something a little too much.
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Jan 8 2010, 02:51 AM
After reading peoples responses, I've come to a conclusion about the scenes today. What would have made it perfect would have been showing Maggie walk down the hall, "find" the room Mickey's in, start talking to him, not yet realizing what's happened until she looks into the doorway (any doorway, no need for a new set to be made). Then pause and a wistful, questioning "Mickey?" and cut to commercial. Then the final scene would have made more sense.

However, I'm of two minds. It all depends on what the intention the show had is. If they're going for the mysterious, the scene I described is entirely unnecessary. Maybe they wanted to audience to ask themselves...what, their marriage isn't so perfect and he's cheating? Or, he left for yet another work thing? Or, did something happen to him? Since we're spoiled, I think we expected the latter to be the only thing to be played. After reading the notes about mystery, i stopped and thought that may have been their intention after all.

Still, I find myself agreeing that it felt like we missed something a little too much.
I think it was obvious they were going for a cliffhanger and that Suzanne added things (including toying with the ring on her finger) to hint at what happened. They wanted people to wonder what had happened. Maggie's scene before that saw her all happy and excited, telling Will what needed to be done while she was gone. The whole episode built everything up only to have it all come crashing down in some way. I think they wanted the viewer left in the dark. I was watching at work with a friend in the break room that I sometimes watch with and she even was left wondering what happened and was anxious to see tomorrow (she hates if I tell her spoilers LOL). I think that was the intention and that they achieved it as far as with fans off the board/unspoiled/etc.

I also saw many reactions from people who knew it was coming and who liked the approach they took anyway. They found it a very quiet kind of powerful. There were better ways to handle it sure (even under the circumstances) but I don't think they hurt the story or did anything or anyone a disservice handling it this way.
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Jan 7 2010, 02:25 PM
As far as speculation goes, it seems this EJ/Anna connection is a new development. Anna certainly didn't act like she would expect someone, ever, and EJ was shocked to see her, too. I think, as opposed to the mastermind speculation, he made a discovery and is turning it to his favor against Rafe/Sami.
I so hope that this is the case. Big bad evil DiMera has been told 18,342 times on this show. Stumbling onto Anna and then using that to his advantage, I can stomach a bit more. Secret mastermind? Blah.

If a viewer likes the character of EJ or drools over the actor, then they dig this revelation. If you are tired of the flailing arms and the incessant blinking of a character who should have just turned 12 years old, then not so much. Yawn.
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Jan 7 2010, 11:28 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 11:21 PM
I didn't actually realize that's where they came from or I would have realized that's why they weren't out yet. I actually thought they came out sooner in the week than the magazine spoilers.
Well, that's only where some of them come from. The National Enquirer spoilers are also posted mid-week but I have no clue where those are, LoL.
Kenny I think angmc usually gets the NE spoilers but she has been out of town.

It is pathetic how dependent we have become on spoilers. Despite that, I know that I enjoyed soaps much more when I knew nothing ahead of time. Spoilers are aptly named.
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Jan 7 2010, 11:04 PM
We at Daytime Royalty were just informed by a source at NBC that Corday Productions will no longer be releasing any spoilers for Days. They feel that too many spoilers have caused people to "only tune in on certain days" and the ratings have suffered as a result.

Looks like we're all gonna be spoiler-free from here on out.




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Good for them! :cheer:

Ive always felt that spoilers hurt the show.
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I thought EJ looked pissed that Anna had her bag and was about to take Sydney out of the door. Definitely not surprise to see his long lost daughter! I actually loved it! Apparantly, EJ has someone watching the heck out of Anna to keep her in line too.

The Maggie thing was different...like it could have been that she walked upstairs and saw him in bed with anothe woman, or because I read spoilers, I knew he died. I think I would have preferred her walking into the room talking to him and the expression on her face when she saw him...and the next scene in the kitchen (like someone mentioned upthread) but they decided not to do that.

Glad the trial is done. I have been hesitant to like Bricole because I am tired of Arianna and everone else telling me how deeply in love Brady is when I don't see it. I see that he cares for her, but there are no declarations of this big love...except for Arianna. Not to mention that everyone keeps using the Nicole Walker DIMERA! Nicole is married to EJ! How is that for a defense for Brady! And until divorce papers are signed, that ain't changing. And I really am not sure that EJ will be doing that right away. We'll see.
The Arianna fantasy with Nicole in it was weird and probably very plot point driven...but it is nice to see that Arianna will fight for Brady...not like it will be so hard since she is serving 20 years in prison.
But the scene at the end with Nicole and Brady had me panting for them. AZ just has hot chemistry with everyone!

Sami's little tantrums drive me up the wall. I don't think I have ever seen a more self righteous, hypocritical character on a soap before. Sami and Nicole did the same damn crime in a way, and for Sami to throw a tantrum because the judge is being lenient? STFU, Sami.

Not liking the teen scene at all. Even as the evil bitch, Mia just looks sleepy. Can't wait for nuWill.
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Jan 8 2010, 08:01 AM
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Jan 7 2010, 11:28 PM
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Jan 7 2010, 11:21 PM
I didn't actually realize that's where they came from or I would have realized that's why they weren't out yet. I actually thought they came out sooner in the week than the magazine spoilers.
Well, that's only where some of them come from. The National Enquirer spoilers are also posted mid-week but I have no clue where those are, LoL.
Kenny I think angmc usually gets the NE spoilers but she has been out of town.

It is pathetic how dependent we have become on spoilers. Despite that, I know that I enjoyed soaps much more when I knew nothing ahead of time. Spoilers are aptly named.
My actual thinking when I asked wasn't so much wanting to see them. I was thinking they hadn't been released intentionally and maybe there were trying to keep something quiet. Perhaps returns for Mickey's funeral? Or something about Sydney's kidnapping? Or Both? You'll notice that there was nothing in the daily spoilers for today about EJ or Anna. Maybe they wanted to make sure that weeks spoilers weren't released until a certain time.
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Jan 8 2010, 05:41 AM
If a viewer likes the character of EJ or drools over the actor, then they dig this revelation. If you are tired of the flailing arms and the incessant blinking of a character who should have just turned 12 years old, then not so much. Yawn.
Man, I have each foot in both of these camps. I love the character and drool over the actor when he was good and I HATE him being the mastermind...not impressed. Yes, I cringe when he has those helicopter arms, I'll take the blinking anyday over some of his acting quirks he's picked up to cover the blinking.


spoilers do seem to do what they mean--spoil the story, not to mention they seem to bring out the hostility in posters...the weekly discussion always seems to be much more civil.
Edited by Halloween Family, Jan 8 2010, 09:39 AM.
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Jan 8 2010, 09:38 AM
spoilers do seem to do what they mean--spoil the story, not to mention they seem to bring out the hostility in posters...the weekly discussion always seems to be much more civil.
I think that's partially because a lot of the people who come to get spoilers don't stick around to discuss the scenes after they air.

On one hand, less spoilers might help the ratings, but on the other hand, how many general fans even have the amount of spoilers that the message board types get? I wouldn't think SOW/SOD buyers make up a significant portion of the general audience.
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I guess I have never noticed James Scott having issues with blinking or helicopter arms...However, the visions of helicopter arms is cracking me up. All I can think about is kermit the frog flapping his arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGGvpUoF6k Disco Frog
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Jan 8 2010, 09:47 AM
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Jan 8 2010, 09:38 AM
spoilers do seem to do what they mean--spoil the story, not to mention they seem to bring out the hostility in posters...the weekly discussion always seems to be much more civil.
I think that's partially because a lot of the people who come to get spoilers don't stick around to discuss the scenes after they air.

On one hand, less spoilers might help the ratings, but on the other hand, how many general fans even have the amount of spoilers that the message board types get? I wouldn't think SOW/SOD buyers make up a significant portion of the general audience.
People say it's fanbase war stuff, but what I see is people speculating about things that haven't happened and wanting to be right or not have anyone disagree with their POV more than anything.

Probablly not much.
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Jan 8 2010, 09:54 AM
I guess I have never noticed James Scott having issues with blinking or helicopter arms...However, the visions of helicopter arms is cracking me up. All I can think about is kermit the frog flapping his arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGGvpUoF6k Disco Frog
Helicopter might be an exaggeration, he does do this Zoro type thing.
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I haven't noticed the blinking in years. I'm too distracted by the helicopter arms and the caffeine buzz his hands seem to get.
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Jan 8 2010, 09:56 AM
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Jan 8 2010, 09:47 AM
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Jan 8 2010, 09:38 AM
spoilers do seem to do what they mean--spoil the story, not to mention they seem to bring out the hostility in posters...the weekly discussion always seems to be much more civil.
I think that's partially because a lot of the people who come to get spoilers don't stick around to discuss the scenes after they air.

On one hand, less spoilers might help the ratings, but on the other hand, how many general fans even have the amount of spoilers that the message board types get? I wouldn't think SOW/SOD buyers make up a significant portion of the general audience.
People say it's fanbase war stuff, but what I see is people speculating about things that haven't happened and wanting to be right or not have anyone disagree with their POV more than anything.

Probablly not much.
That's part of why I stopped debating in those spoiler threads, for the most part. People would get all up in arms about scenes that usually didn't even play out the way we thought they would.

IIRC, someone said JS had a medical condition that made him blink, but it was annoying just the same, since it would make me conscious of my own blinking, instead of just automatically doing blinking when needed.

As long as EJ's not choking anybody, though, I'm on board. There are other people doing things that are way more distracting.
Edited by six, Jan 8 2010, 10:06 AM.
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