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Weekly Discussion: 1/4-1/8
Topic Started: Jan 2 2010, 10:48 PM (23,327 Views)
Kenny
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OneBadKitty
Jan 8 2010, 04:50 PM
Oh I agree, I just didn't think we needed to see Maggie putting Mickey's ring on his finger while he was on the gurney. That to me was a little bit on the morbid side.
No more morbid than burying people alive and surprising people with corpses in hospital beds, LoL.
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Jan 8 2010, 04:50 PM
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Jan 8 2010, 04:48 PM
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Jan 8 2010, 04:45 PM
DrewHamilton
Jan 8 2010, 04:40 PM

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I understand what you are saying, I just feel that not every little thing has to be shown in order to have an emotional impact. Sometimes less can turn out to be so much more - does that make sense?
Certainly does. Look, I'm not saying that I wasn't satisfied by what we got. I was. I liked it. I'm just saying, it would've been better had we saw Maggie's initial reactoin to seeing Mickey in the bedroom. That's all. We didn't and the scenes still worked. It was good. It just could've been better.
Oh I agree, I just didn't think we needed to see Maggie putting Mickey's ring on his finger while he was on the gurney. That to me was a little bit on the morbid side.
I actually thought that was a nice touch, and helped me connect to the moment. It was sad, but realistic that she'd be concerned about the ring, and want him to have it.
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"Relax nobody's having sex.... at least not yet"

I think it was well done. As I saw the hand, I could easily imagine it being John Clarke. They did ok with it.
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I thought it was a nice touch as well. I'm not afraid of a little morbidity, LoL. It added a more emotional element to the scene, IMO.
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Kenny
Jan 8 2010, 04:53 PM
OneBadKitty
Jan 8 2010, 04:50 PM
Oh I agree, I just didn't think we needed to see Maggie putting Mickey's ring on his finger while he was on the gurney. That to me was a little bit on the morbid side.
No more morbid than burying people alive and surprising people with corpses in hospital beds, LoL.
GREAT POINT! Thank you!!! :iloveyou:
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Guys I don't mind you disagreeing with me. You wanted to see the drama played out of Maggie finding the body and her reaction - maybe the show felt that was too morbid, I don't know.

I just didn't like the ring on the finger scene. She could've taken the ring to the funeral home and asked them to place it on his finger for her - and remembered their wedding and other good memories while planning his funeral and writing his obituary and other horrific things that I hope none of you ever have to go through in real life - now that would've packed a punch right there.

And please don't mind me. I know this is a soap and some soaps have made a joke out of death including Days. This story just hits too close to home for me.
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DrewHamilton
Jan 8 2010, 03:42 PM
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Jan 8 2010, 03:34 PM
DrewHamilton
Jan 8 2010, 03:26 PM
These scenes at the Horton house were so much more powerful with the body double.
You didn't feel any of the other scenes were powerful except that one? Just curious given the discussion we had yesterday because so far this is really the only board where I've seen reactions that suggest the lack of a body double hurt the scenes for them.
Does that matter? Our opinions are the same as any other board.

Anyway, all of the scenes at the Horton house were powerful. I was just pointing out that the scene where Mickey was wheeled away was great because we actually got to see "Mickey" one last time. And Maggie holding his hand, his wedding ring, it was all just great and the body double was necessary to give all that. It proved much more powerful than if the entire episode was just Hope and Maggie discussing Mickey's death in the kitchen, only mentioning that the coroner is in the other room taking Mickey away.

But yes, every scene was great today. Superb acting by Suzanne Rogers. And Kristian Alfonso impressed me as well. It's funny how she's shown more emotion over Mickey's death than she through the last few months as her marriage is falling apart. Glad to see Alfonso still has it, since she wasn't delivering in her own story.
It matters to me because it's interesting to see the difference in reactions. That is why I asked and thanks for explaining. I agree it was good but could've been better.

However, I also agree with OBK. You shouldn't have to see everything for emotional impact. Less can be more. Sometimes I think viewers ask for too much. I'm not saying that is the case in this regard but it does happen. In fact, I'm sure it isn't because some of the suggestions being made wouldn't require a whole lot of effort and are reasonable. A part of me just feels like the approach they took was for the best, though.
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OneBadKitty
Jan 8 2010, 04:59 PM
This story just hits too close to home for me.
Sorry it's having that affect on you, OBK.
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Jan 8 2010, 04:51 PM
I'm wondering how the people from yesterday who were opposed to a body double, or a shot of Mickey's hand feel now that the show has done it. Was it as weird as you thought it would be, or was it well done?
I thought it was well done but I do see what OBK was saying. It can be uncomfortable to watch something like that ring scene if you've lost a loved one or saw something similar happen to someone close to you.

Personally, the scene with Maggie and Hope when Maggie explained how the death happened hit home for me. It reminded me alot of how my Aunt Irene died and how it was explained to me. Maybe that is why I liked the approach they took. It allowed me to just focus on Maggie and her pain. I don't know. I guess I see both sides of this, which is why I'm so interested in the difference in opinions being displayed.
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OneBadKitty
Jan 8 2010, 04:59 PM
Guys I don't mind you disagreeing with me. You wanted to see the drama played out of Maggie finding the body and her reaction - maybe the show felt that was too morbid, I don't know.

I just didn't like the ring on the finger scene. She could've taken the ring to the funeral home and asked them to place it on his finger for her - and remembered their wedding and other good memories while planning his funeral and writing his obituary and other horrific things that I hope none of you ever have to go through in real life - now that would've packed a punch right there.

And please don't mind me. I know this is a soap and some soaps have made a joke out of death including Days. This story just hits too close to home for me.
Sorry, OBK. I can see how it can be hard to watch.

I enjoy reading your posts on this. It offers an interesting perspective given how personal it is for you.
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Jan 8 2010, 04:29 PM
Kenny
Jan 8 2010, 04:16 PM
I mean, I see Mia and I'm like, "Okay... she served her purpose in the baby switch story. It's over now. Why is she still on my screen?" Same goes for Chad. I don't mind Casey Deidrick, but he served his purpose and he should be gone now.
That's exactly how I feel. Neither of them is compelling enough as characters or actors to keep around. I realize some will argue we need a teen set but I really don't think we do. I actually like Gabi and I can tolerate Will as a necessary evil being a legacy character, but when 75% of the teen quad consists of characters who've been on the show less than two years--in Chad's and Gabi's case, less than a year--I just don't care. They seem random and unconnected to me and I just don't care what they do or who they do it with.
But Will cannot be without a girlfriend. And he cannot have just one girl in entire Salem. They are already crippling the teens story more than enough with no school, no places to hangout except Java Café, only two supporting characters and very limited airtime. But you cannot have story about two alone teens in entire Salem who meet and fall in love and are happy forever. That would be just stupid. Mia was first connected through Will, as his girlfriend and Chad was just an interlopper, now they rebuilding it into quadrangle with Gabby who already has two relatives in Salem and no matter if people like the Hernadezes or not itīs clear they will be the traditonal breeding family in Salem for a while so she is connected more than enough.

I believe if something is hurting the teens story itīs they arenīt on enough to make the story really compelling. I still donīt understand why they donīt connect Mel and Mia more, they would be ideal as sisters. And Mia desperately needs some BFF like Belle used to have Mimi or Will has Tad, someone she can talk to so we understand what she really wants and what are her motives, especially now, when she is starting to change so drastically and we donīt know why. Gabby has atleast Ari and it already helps her character a lot. I hope those are problems the show will adress after the new Will arrive and they will be confident to do whatever they want to do with them.

Personally, I love watching teens on screen, especially really young girls like Mia, Abby or first Belle. Itīs so fascinating to watch them grew up. Guys stays pretty much the same no matter the age but girls change so much. Itīs no wonder the focus is usually on them. And I honestly donīt see where is the big deal in replacing one newbie with other just because he has better family lineage. The teens haters will hate the characters no matter what. I still remember how passionatelly and universaly were hated Shawn, Belle and co. and they had the most promiment family origin possible.
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Jan 8 2010, 05:10 PM
I believe if something is hurting the teens story itīs they arenīt on enough to make the story really compelling. I still donīt understand why they donīt connect Mel and Mia more, they would be ideal as sisters. And Mia desperately needs some BFF like Belle used to have Mimi or Will has Tad, someone she can talk to so we understand what she really wants and what are her motives, especially now, when she is starting to change so drastically and we donīt know why. Gabby has atleast Ari and it already helps her character a lot. I hope those are problems the show will adress after the new Will arrive and they will be confident to do whatever they want to do with them.
I agree. Mia needs more of a girlfriend. And with her turning into a little scheming bitch, it makes even more sense to start having her go to Melanie for advice. Hell, the way Mia is starting to act, I would think her and Kinsey could even develop a friendship. I would believe that, considering how they're both bitches, over what's happening now with Kinsey and Gabi becoming friends. Why would Kinsey like someone like Gabi?

As for the amount of airtime they get, I like it the way it is. I feel like they're on a good amount of time considering we're not in the summer season. That's why I never accuse this writing team of forcing the teens on us when it's not summer. They're doing the thing that most soaps should do. They focused on the teens a lot during the summer, when it's logical given that kids are home from school, and then began to limit their screen time going into fall and now into winter. I expect to see the teens featured more in the spring and even more in the summer. And I'm fine with that.
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I guess what makes this different is that it's a "real" death and it's being done as a "real" death.

And I'm sorry but Mia and Will are putting me to sleep.
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Jan 8 2010, 05:07 PM
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Jan 8 2010, 04:51 PM
I'm wondering how the people from yesterday who were opposed to a body double, or a shot of Mickey's hand feel now that the show has done it. Was it as weird as you thought it would be, or was it well done?
I thought it was well done but I do see what OBK was saying. It can be uncomfortable to watch something like that ring scene if you've lost a loved one or saw something similar happen to someone close to you.

Personally, the scene with Maggie and Hope when Maggie explained how the death happened hit home for me. It reminded me alot of how my Aunt Irene died and how it was explained to me. Maybe that is why I liked the approach they took. It allowed me to just focus on Maggie and her pain. I don't know. I guess I see both sides of this, which is why I'm so interested in the difference in opinions being displayed.
Thanks for answering. I guess they struck a balance between the two arguments about how it should be handled. That scene was necessary imo, so it wasn't just all about Maggie, of course this is going to be her story, but with the long history Mickey had in Salem, those scenes needed to be about him, too. It was nice to see the little of him that we did, and be reminded of Mickey/Maggie's love in that final way, imo.
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DrewHamilton
Jan 8 2010, 05:13 PM
jane1978
Jan 8 2010, 05:10 PM
I believe if something is hurting the teens story itīs they arenīt on enough to make the story really compelling. I still donīt understand why they donīt connect Mel and Mia more, they would be ideal as sisters. And Mia desperately needs some BFF like Belle used to have Mimi or Will has Tad, someone she can talk to so we understand what she really wants and what are her motives, especially now, when she is starting to change so drastically and we donīt know why. Gabby has atleast Ari and it already helps her character a lot. I hope those are problems the show will adress after the new Will arrive and they will be confident to do whatever they want to do with them.
I agree. Mia needs more of a girlfriend. And with her turning into a little scheming bitch, it makes even more sense to start having her go to Melanie for advice. Hell, the way Mia is starting to act, I would think her and Kinsey could even develop a friendship. I would believe that, considering how they're both bitches, over what's happening now with Kinsey and Gabi becoming friends. Why would Kinsey like someone like Gabi?

As for the amount of airtime they get, I like it the way it is. I feel like they're on a good amount of time considering we're not in the summer season. That's why I never accuse this writing team of forcing the teens on us when it's not summer. They're doing the thing that most soaps should do. They focused on the teens a lot during the summer, when it's logical given that kids are home from school, and then began to limit their screen time going into fall and now into winter. I expect to see the teens featured more in the spring and even more in the summer. And I'm fine with that.
What's funny is the teens didn't even get much airtime last summer. I remember hearing Taylor was ill or something. We actually saw more of the teens prior to and after summer then we did during the summer LOL.

But I agree about their airtime now. It's just about right. They just need to continue to improve the teen story and all characters involved before summer because the story and characters just aren't strong enough to get a major frontburner push for 2-3 months.
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Jan 8 2010, 05:10 PM
But Will cannot be without a girlfriend. And he cannot have just one girl in entire Salem. They are already crippling the teens story more than enough with no school, no places to hangout except Java Café, only two supporting characters and very limited airtime. But you cannot have story about two alone teens in entire Salem who meet and fall in love and are happy forever. That would be just stupid. Mia was first connected through Will, as his girlfriend and Chad was just an interlopper, now they rebuilding it into quadrangle with Gabby who already has two relatives in Salem and no matter if people like the Hernadezes or not itīs clear they will be the traditonal breeding family in Salem for a while so she is connected more than enough.
As I said, I really see no need for the teens at all. Send Will offscreen until he's in his early 20s next year. You obviously love the teens, and that's fine, but I do not. I didn't like them back when I was 17 and first started watching. I was more interested in Steve and Kayla than I was Jen and Frankie or whoever was around at the time. I've always found soap teen stories to be boring and in fact a major reason I tuned out for a while was that Kirsten Storms' Belle was such a waste of screentime and it seemed like every time I turned on the show, she was on. I can't think of one single time that I was really interested in the teen stories. I used to find Sami interesting long ago, and that's the sole exception, but she never had a compelling teen romance as far as I was concerned.
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Jan 8 2010, 05:03 PM
Sometimes I think viewers ask for too much.
Oh please. So you're blaming it on the viewers? LoL. Yes, you said it might not be the viewers fault in this particular instance, but c'mon. You're thinking that or you wouldn't have brought it up. Are you sure you aren't Ken Corday?

I really don't understand how it's considered "too much" that some of us wanted to see Maggie discovering Mickey's body. Did Marlena and Belle not discover John's bloody, half-dead body in the street after he was ran over by a car? Did Marlena not discover Kristen's frozen, dead body in the Blake pool? Did Bo not watch helplessly as Hope was burned alive in a vat of acid? Did Hope not find Zack's lifeless body in the street after he was hit by a car? Did Claire McIntyre not discover Ali's bloody, limp body in a bathtub after slashing her wrists? And didn't Hope find Alice's dead body after she had been choked to death on donuts? I mean, really... the list goes on and on.

If we could see all those things, why the hell can't we see Maggie walking into a room and finding Mickey dead? It's not too much to ask. People die in real life all the time. We're all affected by it. That doesn't mean soap operas should hold back on emotional scenes just because we're sensitive to loss. I mean, if dying of old age is simply too sensitive to touch, then Mickey should've just died in a car accident or something. In that case, not seeing the discovery of a body would've at least made sense. We could've had two police officers knocking on Maggie's door, asking if she's the wife of Mickey Horton, and bingo-bango, we've got an emotional reaction scene. Instead, what we got made me feel like I had missed a (very important) scene -- only I hadn't. It was written that way on purpose. And I didn't like it.
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Well said, Kenneth.
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Kenny
Jan 8 2010, 05:35 PM
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Jan 8 2010, 05:03 PM
Sometimes I think viewers ask for too much.
Oh please. So you're blaming it on the viewers? LoL. Yes, you said it might not be the viewers fault in this particular instance, but c'mon. You're thinking that or you wouldn't have brought it up. Are you sure you aren't Ken Corday?

I really don't understand how it's considered "too much" that some of us wanted to see Maggie discovering Mickey's body. Did Marlena and Belle not discover John's bloody, half-dead body in the street after he was ran over by a car? Did Marlena not discover Kristen's frozen, dead body in the Blake pool? Did Bo not watch helplessly as Hope was burned alive in a vat of acid? Did Hope not find Zack's lifeless body in the street after he was hit by a car? Did Claire McIntyre not discover Ali's bloody, limp body in a bathtub after slashing her wrists? And didn't Hope find Alice's dead body after she had been choked to death on donuts? I mean, really... the list goes on and on.

If we could see all those things, why the hell can't we see Maggie walking into a room and finding Mickey dead? It's not too much to ask. People die in real life all the time. We're all affected by it. That doesn't mean soap operas should hold back on emotional scenes just because we're sensitive to loss. I mean, if dying of old age is simply too sensitive to touch, then Mickey should've just died in a car accident or something. In that case, not seeing the discovery of a body would've at least made sense. We could've had two police officers knocking on Maggie's door, asking if she's the wife of Mickey Horton, and bingo-bango, we've got an emotional reaction scene. Instead, what we got made me feel like I had missed a (very important) scene -- only I hadn't. It was written that way on purpose. And I didn't like it.
First off, the show had the actor available in those circumstances (except for in the case of Zack). Days did not have John Clarke. And don't remind me about poor Alice. Seeing her slumped over after that ridiculously offensive "death" was too much.

I noted in my post I did not feel anyone was asking too much in this regard. I even acknowledged that I would've liked seeing the actual discovery too. I just didn't want to see a long scene of Maggie with some body double as she did CPR on him and such because that would've been a mess IMO.

I've said numerous times I see both sides. I like the way they show did it but I also would've liked what others have suggested.

And I stand by what I said. Sometimes viewers DO ask for too much. I'm not pointing fingers or anything but I do feel like some things that are complained about are ridiculous. I don't always feel that is the case and I don't feel at all like that is the vase in this instance at all and I'm not blaming viewers at all in regards to this issue. I can see why some would want a body double but I can also see why some wouldn't and didn't like the use of one. That is what is so interesting about this discussion.
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On a shallow note, I'm glad that Mia's hair isn't being bleached to a soft gray anymore but if they really need to cut her hair if they are going to get her out of that mousy hairstyle. It just doesn't work with the direction they seem to be taking her in. I'm just so sick of the pathetic, victimized female characters on the show. Get FIERCE WOMEN! Put up a fight damn it!



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